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WazzupGenius00
10/09/20 11:39:51 PM
#253:


Skelly mentions it, and maybe Achilles too?

Also you dont have to clear the game to unlock it

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CoolCly
10/09/20 11:40:38 PM
#254:




Mac Arrowny posted...
That's the thing - base damage for Hangover is 4 per stack every .5 seconds, coming out to 40 per second with all stacks. Doom base damage is 50 per 1.1 seconds, or 45 per second, so even with all stacks out there, Hangover's a little worse. It lasting longer helps, but it also starts up slower, and the damage scaling isn't the greatest either.


Uptime is a big difference maker, I think. For Doom to be competitive at the rate you describe, you have to be constantly reapplying it as soon as it falls off. If you are on top of your target 100% of the time constantly attacking and applying as it falls off, I agree it would be slightly better

But I think the realistic approach is getting to an enemy , hitting it quickly a few times, then moving on to the next enemy or if it's a boss moving away to avoid a mechanic. Then you come back to it. This works out to you coming back to apply more Hangover when it's falling off but with Doom creates several seconds of down time.

I don't think the point of either of these abilities is to be continuously attacking either way. You would just want a straight damage upgrade in that case.

The Mana Sword posted...


...wow. Does the game give you any indication of this at all? I see now that theres a button prompt, but I would always just grab my weapon and go, there didnt seem to be any reason to go back to the empty slot after I chose one.


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The Mana Sword
10/09/20 11:42:26 PM
#255:


Man, I guess I blanked out during that chat then. Actually kind of annoyed about that. Not that I have a ton of blood yet, but still.

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CoolCly
10/09/20 11:44:36 PM
#256:


here's a pro tip about learning about the aspects! The game doesn't save until you leave a room, so you can come into the courtyard, spend some titans blood to unlock an aspect and try it out on Skelly, then quit the game, and it'll load at you entering the room again. Just don't leave the room before you quit! Can give you some direction on which ones you want to try first.

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GANON1025
10/09/20 11:57:23 PM
#257:


Crit seems like something you have to go all-in on to be effective. Just dabbling a little in it doesnt seem great.

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Mac Arrowny
10/10/20 12:55:07 AM
#258:


Speaking of Aspects, I tried the Zeus shield one and it seemed cool at first, but man do I suck at using it in real fights. Died at Theseus for the first time in like 15 runs. Shame there's no Titan's Blood refund option.
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ViolentAbacus
10/10/20 1:03:17 AM
#259:


I've never really been able to use crit effectively. But also I've never been lucky enough to get mostly Artemis boons.

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WazzupGenius00
10/10/20 2:20:30 AM
#260:


Artemis becomes good once you get the boon that makes enemies Marked, which pops up pretty often once youve already taken another Artemis boon

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CoolCly
10/10/20 2:28:14 AM
#261:


That seems like it sucks though - it only marks a different mob next to the mob you crit? Wouldn't be that useful against bosses then?

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masterplum
10/10/20 8:46:59 AM
#262:


I like the all damage can crit Artemis boon. Poms make it go up 1% every time so it stacks well.

The all damage makes arrows fly out is also awesome in builds that do lots of small damage, gun and Zeus shield for instance

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SSBM_Guy
10/10/20 9:40:15 AM
#263:


CoolCly posted...
That seems like it sucks though - it only marks a different mob next to the mob you crit? Wouldn't be that useful against bosses then?
Most bosses summon enemies so its actually fairly easy to get it on the boss.

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foolm0r0n
10/10/20 9:53:02 AM
#264:


5% to do 200% extra damage = just 10% overall damage increase, that's my problem with it. Ares has the boon that does like 13%+ damage to attacks at its base level already. It's cool that the crit applies to ALL damage, but it still feels pretty marginal since most of your damage is on your main attacks. You need to combo it with other crit-related boons, especially the Marked ones, in order to get a chain of crits and really benefit.

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masterplum
10/10/20 10:45:44 AM
#265:


Aren't crits 300% in this game?

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WazzupGenius00
10/10/20 10:50:49 AM
#266:


200% extra on top of your base 100%, aka 300% damage.

My favorite builds are crit builds on the Sword hidden aspect, its really satisfying to see a hit do 3000 damage

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CoolCly
10/10/20 12:44:56 PM
#267:


Crit is the only multiplicative damage buff in the game, so it's actually way better than comparable buffs like what foolmo just tried to do. Every other damage buff is additive, in that it only applies to your base damage, not the damage your other boons is giving

Things that increase your base damage are good too though.


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azuarc
10/10/20 12:58:50 PM
#268:


That's not how I think of with multiplicative vs additive, but good to know. Additive would be more like Zeus's boon that deals fixed lightning damage to attacks, or Artemis's seeking arrow. They literally just add damage. I get where you're coming from, though, in that the scalars are added together rather than jointly multiplied.

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Mac Arrowny
10/10/20 3:34:48 PM
#269:


Huh, so I was finally having a good Shield run, got to final boss with full health and all Defiances...and then I didn't even have to fight him and got the credits. What a twist.

Question: do we find out who the narrator is at some point?

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WazzupGenius00
10/10/20 4:31:17 PM
#270:


There is an implication that the narrator is Homer, based on his narration when you buy the bust for the hall and examine it for the first time

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/10/20 6:50:43 PM
#271:


The bow that shoots your Cast is fun as hell. At first I wasn't sure what the benefit was but I rolled Festive Fog randomly and...well, look at this shit I ended up with


Not pictured is one that also increases the area of effect of the lightning strikes and the buff that reduces damage when I'm in the fog. Not that it really matters, since loading all 3 shots into one arrow dealt 900-1000 damage BEFORE the lingering effects of three lightning clouds stacked on top of each other.

If only I was on higher Heat, but I'm still doing my initial clears with each weapon right now, and I'm sticking to lower Heat as well until I have all the diamonds and stuff I need. Now I just have the gun left.

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CoolCly
10/10/20 7:43:11 PM
#272:


i assumed that aspect replaced your next shot with the cast, but now that i realize it just stacks in top of your normal attack that seems pretty good. i kinda wanna try that

i just made the worst build of my career though. I took the sword aspect that dislodges the bloodstone when you hit with a special. So i figured... I'll get a good high damaging cast and spam it, then hit em with a high damage special, to get my casts back, and repeat. it'll be so good, I'll just stay on a dude and spam these on him for high dps.

So i got the Zeus cast and upgraded it.... but then I realized that when I cast something, the chain lightning shoots the bloodstone off to another mob, or if there's no mob nearby it'll just fly off in some random distant direction. So I can't just stick on the same target and cast -> dislodge -> cast over again.... i gotta go looking for these damn bloodstones in the middle of lava or some shit.

THEN i took the Dash Nova daedelus upgrade that turns your special into a dash...half the time when I tried to special somebody to dislodge, I just jumped right over them and didn't hit

it's the most inefficient source of damage possible

still beat hades though \_()_/

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mnkboy907
10/10/20 7:51:01 PM
#273:


Haha yeah, I absolutely hated the time I took the dash special with Aspect of Poseidon. I will never choose it again, lol.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/10/20 8:28:31 PM
#274:


I actually really liked the Daedelus Dash on sword when I got it on my one sword clear. It makes for an excellent gap closer during the Hades fight. It just lines up your movement super well for that fight. I don't know if it's worth picking over other options, though.

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CoolCly
10/10/20 8:46:41 PM
#275:


I think it's fine in general, but not when you are specifically trying to nova something over and over >_>

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pxlated
10/11/20 4:20:05 AM
#276:



this was defintiely my strongest setup so far. time could have been a lot faster but i idled a fair amount.

naegling's board might be my favorite weapon/aspect

hit hades for almost 3k at one point. but i got lucky at chaos with 80% and 30% cast damage buffs on top of an epic trippy flare


there's a better image, i finally figured out what those little tags were for

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SSBM_Guy
10/11/20 11:58:22 AM
#277:


I did a 20 Heat run with all Extreme Measures. I had an insanely good build, including shooting off 5 lasers instantly and a lot of special damage. That said, I still got destroyed by EM4 Hades. Really a big shame.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkD0yU5UwAAdV4v?format=jpg&name=large

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Mac Arrowny
10/11/20 1:48:48 PM
#278:


Wait, can you move the tags with the mouse/controller?
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masterplum
10/11/20 1:59:01 PM
#279:


Yeah EM4 is one Im good not taking

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X_Dante_X
10/11/20 2:20:43 PM
#280:


the EM4 fight is super fun but yeah i probably wouldn't take it on a run i was trying to do a super high heat clear with

i enjoy just running it on random runs i do though
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Mac Arrowny
10/11/20 2:27:40 PM
#281:


Hmm, looking at the achievements most of them look pretty doable, but the one where you max all the Keepsakes (Friends Forever) seems like it'd be a big pain. Is there any easy way to do that or do you just have to grind it out?
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mnkboy907
10/11/20 2:30:47 PM
#282:


I've just been doing that as I normally play. I'm at 51 escape attempts and I think I have over half of them maxed already. It's not necessarily good for run synergy, as I stop using any keepsake that's been maxed, but hey it adds to the randomness I guess.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/11/20 4:28:40 PM
#283:


On the subject of nonbos I keep getting Poseidon stalking me on my fists runs. Guess what weapon knockback is really bad with!

The last time this happened I foolishly took the dash and special and was basically unable to dash up to things and start comboing, or use the magnet ability well. Both of them added a ton of damage (and being able to repeatedly pull in + knock away into a wall with the magnet was amusing) so it wasn't too bad, but basically destroyed the entire point of the build.

This time I've taken his cast and call and am just gonna try to avoid him if I can

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Fastbreak
10/11/20 4:34:16 PM
#284:


My best run yet



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trdl23
10/11/20 6:02:26 PM
#285:


Just bought this last night, done... I think 13 runs? Got to the final boss four times now, only seen phase 2 once. Elysium is my bane I swear.

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CoolCly
10/11/20 7:27:23 PM
#286:


What weapon/boon combos do you guys like lately? And what two boons go together best?

Poseideon and Zeus are a great combo with most weapons. Once you you have some knockback and some zappy zaps, you can grab jolted and the wall slam talents, and then getting the duo Sea Storm means anything you are doing really hits things hard. Very powerful.

I'm really in love with Hangover on attack on Fists. Had a pretty powerful run with Dionysus and Aphrodite, the Duo increases your max hangover stacks and applying Weak in general works nicely with Hangover.

Funny that you say Poseidon is bad with fists. Putting his knockback on Attack would be bad, I just had a run with Dionysus / Poseidon fists and I think the combo of applying your Hangover with attack and then knocking them away with a Poseidon Special, potentially with a wall slam /rupture, works pretty well. Run up to some dudes, stack up their hangover and knock them away and move on to the next guy and come back later if they didn't end up dying.


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GANON1025
10/11/20 7:31:19 PM
#287:


So I've been using the Magnetize special style of fists, and I quite like that combined with Poseidon. You pull them in, attack and then slam them away. And if get the Rupture boon too? I was pretty effective with it I have to say.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/11/20 8:22:38 PM
#288:


Well I mentioned the magnet fist + Poseidon special itself was fine. The issue was I also had it on dash. I could neither dash up close to attack (I would push them away from me) nor use the magnet special to bring them close, and I had hangover on my attack! I had to manually walk up to things or push them all the way up to a wall, because the fist attack range is garbage without buffs.

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GANON1025
10/11/20 9:52:29 PM
#289:


Oh, the Demeter cast is super cool (heh get it)

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KommunistKoala
10/11/20 9:58:16 PM
#290:


yeah its real easy to get a nice demeter cast run. artemis/demeter duo is the cherry on top

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Solfadore
10/11/20 11:00:06 PM
#291:


One of my favourite combos is the Demeter special with the bow, especially if coupled with the Demeter boon that does 100 damage on 10 stacks of chill. Parking yourself next to an enemy and unleashing a volley point blank gives an immediate 10 stacks of chill. The second volley means you trigger the 100-damage with every arrow that hits. 600-1,000 damage per special is hilarious. Asterius is particularly vulnerable to this since he's so large and gives you a chance to safely cast 1-2 volleys between his combos.

Otherwise, Zeus attack with the Adamant Rail is so good that I always start an Exagryph run with Zeus' keepsake on just for that.

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pxlated
10/11/20 11:33:58 PM
#292:




this run was a lot of fun. i really love dionysus duo effects. he might be my favorite god boon wise.



this would have been my first time not dying at all to hades, but in phase 2 he managed to do his laser spin in a position that cut through one of the rocks, the one i was standing behind lmao. he was basically right on top of the rock, on the opposite side from where i was, and it went right through. first time for everything i guess!

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WazzupGenius00
10/11/20 11:56:57 PM
#293:


Solfadore posted...
One of my favourite combos is the Demeter special with the bow, especially if coupled with the Demeter boon that does 100 damage on 10 stacks of chill. Parking yourself next to an enemy and unleashing a volley point blank gives an immediate 10 stacks of chill. The second volley means you trigger the 100-damage with every arrow that hits. 600-1,000 damage per special is hilarious. Asterius is particularly vulnerable to this since he's so large and gives you a chance to safely cast 1-2 volleys between his combos.

Otherwise, Zeus attack with the Adamant Rail is so good that I always start an Exagryph run with Zeus' keepsake on just for that.
The Chill stack completely clears after the damage, so you'd be starting from 0 chill again on the second special

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GANON1025
10/11/20 11:58:17 PM
#294:


How do you unlock the hidden aspects? I've already beaten the game a couple of times, so that doesn't seem to be doing it.

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WazzupGenius00
10/12/20 12:01:02 AM
#295:


You need to have spent some Titan Blood (either 5 or 6, I forget) on other aspects (not Zagreus aspect) as well as purchased the List of Prophecies from the contractor. Then NPCs will be able to talk to you about it, but there's some chance involved in when they bring it up if they have a lot of other specific things to comment on

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skullbone
10/12/20 12:01:56 AM
#296:


GANON1025 posted...
How do you unlock the hidden aspects? I've already beaten the game a couple of times, so that doesn't seem to be doing it.

Upgrade the spear aspects 5 times total and then keep doing runs until Achiles tells you about upgrading it. After unlocking the hidden spear aspect the other ones take 5 upgrades and then other people will tell you about them eventually.

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Solfadore
10/12/20 12:17:45 AM
#297:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
The Chill stack completely clears after the damage, so you'd be starting from 0 chill again on the second special

I know that's what the boon description says, and that's why I had been reluctant to grab that boon before, but I think the in-game description is misleading. I was doing 600+ damage every other special with that combination. Bosses' HP bars were melting - something a 100-damage boost wouldn't do.

I've done it twice, too, so it wasn't a bug or a miracle fluke. Try the combo if you have the chance - I'd be curious to know if I've misunderstood a mechanic with that boon, or if there's some other variable at play that influences the damage here.

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Mac Arrowny
10/12/20 12:23:01 AM
#298:


Man, I've had the Muse and the Musician prophecy (Orpheus favor) forever and seemingly haven't been able to do anything with it. I can't, like, find the contract in the archives and do something with it, can I? Do I need to do anything or do I just have to wait for it to trigger?
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WazzupGenius00
10/12/20 12:26:03 AM
#299:


Just keep playing, nothing specific needs to be done. Unless you've had the conversation with Nyx where she tells you the location of the contract, in which case you have to visit the archives room and examine the new sparkling spot among the files.

I'm 100 percent positive that the full stack of Chill is removed after Arctic Blast is triggered. You must have had some other interaction going on there.

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Fastbreak
10/12/20 12:30:36 AM
#300:


This crystal combo with the magnet cutter just melted bone hydra and made short work of thesus. Face tanked hades at the end, liked this build a lot




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pxlated
10/12/20 12:34:49 AM
#301:


skullbone posted...
Upgrade the spear aspects 5 times total and then keep doing runs until Achiles tells you about upgrading it. After unlocking the hidden spear aspect the other ones take 5 upgrades and then other people will tell you about them eventually.

this isn't quite correct.

you need to spend 5 total titan's blood on the weapon, be that unlocking or leveling.

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skullbone
10/12/20 12:50:30 AM
#302:


Yeah I couldn't remember if it was spend 5 titan blood or do 5 total upgrades

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