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WazzupGenius00
09/23/20 10:34:36 PM
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I've already been playing the game on and off for a year in Early Access but now that it has reached 1.0 I thought maybe people would like to discuss it more.

This game truly is the culmination of everything Supergiant has done up to this point, refining the action gameplay of Bastion, the attack modifiers and synergies of Transistor, the lite-visual novel elements of Pyre, and the storytelling, contextual dialogue, excellent voiceover and music of all of their games up to this point. I won't be surprised to see this in many GOTY conversations come December.

As for my progress, I've reached the credit roll, but some dialogue with Hades and Persephone suggests that there may yet be something more for me to uncover in the primary narrative. Just gotta keep escaping! I think I just reached 5 Heat on the last weapon I hadn't reached that point with yet, and my highest is 8. I always pick whichever weapon gives the Darkness bonus so I've been building up relatively evenly.

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KommunistKoala
09/23/20 10:35:30 PM
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Beaten Hades with every weapon on 0 heat and spear on 1 heat, so I can finally start somewhat actually playing the game

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neonreaper
09/23/20 10:37:11 PM
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Bought this today but havent started

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masterplum
09/23/20 10:39:29 PM
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I'm at the same point you are.

Favorite weapon is probably the shield that turns into a rift that you can keep attacking with. I got the upgrade that changed the bull charge to an energy blast and the crystal laser power up and it was hilarious having a better ranged build than the bow or the gun with the shield.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/23/20 10:41:40 PM
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I played a big chunk all at once, waiting for a day off to really dig in. Beaten the first 2 area with 1 weapon, and the first area with 2 other weapons.

I don't really think there's any way it'll end up my favorite supergiant game simply because I'm really not a fan of the genre, but I'm having a good enough time despite that.

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X_Dante_X
09/23/20 10:49:15 PM
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I got my first clear today! Didn't expect to get it with the rail, but here we are

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WazzupGenius00
09/23/20 10:52:53 PM
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I've always been averse to that Bull Rush laser because I rely on the charge for repositioning quite often.

Favorite weapon might be sword with Aspect of Arthur. Love the big chunks of damage you can do.

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davidponte
09/24/20 5:16:56 AM
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When can I play this on my Playstation console

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masterplum
09/24/20 8:23:49 AM
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The duo of artemis and demeter is insane

Super tracking critical damage crystal lasers.

It was awesome. I love demeter

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azuarc
09/24/20 9:31:56 AM
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Either some people here have put way more practice into the game than I have, or I'm not very good. I've only had two runs so far make it to Elysium. My best attempts, by far, are when I play melee and have the boon that lowers your health by 60% but gives you lifesteal per hit. I tend not to get walloped quickly, so much as take a lot of little hits over time.

In the event that this is a matter of just some people having had more time with the game, what are the most important things to focus on acquiring/upgrading?

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Dantezoid
09/24/20 9:42:44 AM
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In my only clear, I managed to get an insane triple boon combo - Demeter chill on regular sttack, additional enemy slow/dot if all enemies are at Max chill stacks (fantastic on bosses), and a duo that healed me over time if I had no death defiance left

Basically, Demeter op. I slowed the final boss so much I was able to learn his patterns easily, so it'll probably help me a lot for future runs

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WazzupGenius00
09/24/20 2:07:29 PM
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My biggest piece of advice is get Athena's deflect dash literally every time it comes up. Easily the best "main" boon in the game.

If you're able to get any two of Hangover/Weak/Chill in a run, the "Privileged Status" effect of the mirror can be really powerful so boost that up (other status effects work for it too but those three are usually simplest to get and last long enough to actually be of use for Privileged Status)

If there's a specific build you want to go for, swap keepsakes between layers (once you've unlocked the ability to do so) to force certain gods to appear. There are only a few keepsakes that you would want to keep equipped for an entire run anyway.

Double Boons and Hammers should always be priority picks. Though if you pass up a Hammer early in the layer you have a pretty good chance of coming across it again later. Early in the game I would also make keys a priority, later on you can start to ignore them.

Chaos boons can become very powerful if you manage to stack multiple of them that affect the same damage source.

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KommunistKoala
09/24/20 2:14:29 PM
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Getting extra stacks of Death Defiance for the final fight is good. I'd focus on piling on as many boons as possible for the first clear, usually from the same god if possible since picking up some boons allows you to get better buffs from that same god that affect their other boons. Stacking a bunch of Ares' boons to do lots of Doom damage is a pretty easy way to win with certain weapons (how I got my first gun win).

Athena is another good one to stack a bunch of her boons because if everything you do deflects attacks you'll barely ever get hit. Even more so if you have the shield since you can either deflect everything or hold the attack button to block any attacks coming at your face

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ViolentAbacus
09/24/20 2:16:13 PM
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azuarc posted...
In the event that this is a matter of just some people having had more time with the game, what are the most important things to focus on acquiring/upgrading?

Dodge is your best friend. If you haven't gotten the extra one from the mirror do it! Also, get more death defiance upgrades if you need them.

You won't be able to get Chill yet if you haven't made it through Elysium, but it and Hangover is great to get.

Like Wazzup said, if you see a hammer or double boon room go for those, with regular boons as a third priority. I always tried to get as many life hearts as well.

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PrivateBiscuit1
09/24/20 2:17:32 PM
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Glad more people are checking this out with the official release!

I absolutely fucking love this game. I think it does so many clever things with the rogue-lite genre that is just so far ahead. The storytelling is great and there's so much personality in everything. The combat is so fun too.

So glad this has picked up as big as it has. It deserves it.

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mnkboy907
09/24/20 2:19:57 PM
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I'm not very good at the game yet. After losing to Meg a bunch of times, I finally beat her with the bow. Now I'm trying again with the sword to get more of that titan blood or whatever, and I've lost a bunch more times.

I wish the health regeneration per new chamber didn't cap at 3, lol. Well maybe it gets boosted again later but for now I want more.

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skullbone
09/24/20 2:24:13 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
I'm not very good at the game yet. After losing to Meg a bunch of times, I finally beat her with the bow. Now I'm trying again with the sword to get more of that titan blood or whatever, and I've lost a bunch more times.

I wish the health regeneration per new chamber didn't cap at 3, lol. Well maybe it gets boosted again later but for now I want more.

I would recommend switching to the perk that gives you health every time you pick up darkness. I think it's better early on

I'm up to about heat level 6 for most weapons. I kinda wish I could add more heat than 1 at a time because beating a run is not very challenging at this point.

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masterplum
09/24/20 2:34:52 PM
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I think my first clear was the 15th run?

A lot of the later mirror upgrades are really strong. Death defiance to level 3 plus lots of extra HP so the restore is higher is extremely helpful. Start with an item that gives permanent bonuses such as hermes which gives speed when you clear a room fast. Switch to the skelly item when you get to the area you think you are going to die at and you have 4 usages of Death Defiance. You can be fancy and swap to the money item in between.

Athena's dash is good, but you really need to stack upgrades that increase damage to either your attack or special and spam it. I wouldn't aim for athena dash until I was actually doing damage and athena's damage boons are kind of meh.

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ViolentAbacus
09/24/20 2:51:21 PM
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masterplum posted...
Athena's dash is good, but you really need to stack upgrades that increase damage to either your attack or special and spam it. I wouldn't aim for athena dash until I was actually doing damage and athena's damage boons are kind of meh.

I think her dash is decent even with other boons if you're just starting - the fact that it deflects is great for trying to maneuver if you're not great at dodging/reading attacks. And saved me a lot of the time in a certain room in Asphodel with the Twin Fists.

Also, if you use a lot of Death Defiances there is a special room in Elysium that allows to to recover all Death Defiances, so if you get lucky and see it you can use that for a quick refresh. Don't think it works on the tooth, though.

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KommunistKoala
09/24/20 4:00:02 PM
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is there any use for keys after you unlock all the mirror buffs and weapons? aside from the occasional reroll of mirror stuff

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skullbone
09/24/20 4:01:29 PM
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Eventually you unlock something that lets you dump keys and darkness but I think it's just a pride thing, no actual gameplay stuff. I mean knowing this game it probably unlocks SOMETHING when you max it out but personally I'm trading keys for nectar at the shop. Still too many relationships that need maxing


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WazzupGenius00
09/24/20 4:08:38 PM
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Theres a desk in the lounge where you can trade one resource for another, you can trade them for nectar there. There is also a Work Order that gives you an additional die for rerolling rewards whenever you pick up a key, so that keys might still be worth picking up depending on the situation.

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azuarc
09/24/20 5:37:50 PM
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For those who were commenting earlier, my overall progression:

I've unlocked all the basic purple mirror boons except for Death Defiance #3, which I'm saving for. I have not had any keys to spare to access more, nor have I touched the orange counterparts yet. I have had all weapons and gotten the chance to do at least two runs with each. I believe I've cleared Asphodel with all of them. I'm still not really clear on what I do with the titan blood -- I see the screen where you can use it, but will I only ever have 6 to spend?

I'm not really clear on how the nectar works. You give it to someone, they give you a trinket, but they still have hearts in their encyclopedia entry. Does that mean I'll get a second trinket, or something else, if I keep giving them more? I dunno, I'm still trying to give everybody one.

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mnkboy907
09/24/20 6:45:57 PM
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I think to avoid burning out sooner, I'm just gonna turn on God Mode while going through Tartarus. At least while using weapons I've already beaten Meg with. And then do the same for the next areas as I complete them.

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ViolentAbacus
09/24/20 6:46:00 PM
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azuarc posted...
Does that mean I'll get a second trinket, or something else, if I keep giving them more? I dunno, I'm still trying to give everybody one.


It unlocks new conversations and story with all their character. A lot have favors you can do, and their own little substory. Some offer legendary keepsakes for completing their heart meters.

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Aecioo
09/24/20 8:36:12 PM
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This game is great! I wasnt feeling it on my first two runs but I see myself looking forward to more dialogue and story every time I die. Super smart way to keep me interested

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PrivateBiscuit1
09/24/20 9:57:09 PM
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Favorite god everyone? Dionysus is pretty tops.

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TheArkOfTurus
09/24/20 10:04:51 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Favorite god everyone? Dionysus is pretty tops.

I always find myself gravitating to Artemis. I should probably be taking more advantage of privileged status, but crits are so fun.

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masterplum
09/24/20 10:43:44 PM
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Off the top of my head God ranking

Demeter > Hermes > Aphrodite > Artemis > Athena > Poseidon > Ares > Dionysus > Zeus

But honestly they are all surprisingly well balanced. I think Demeter is the only one that I almost always prefer over others regardless of situation. Even low tier gods like Ares can be super strong.


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skullbone
09/24/20 10:51:26 PM
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I think I just found one of the top 5 boons in the game. Duo between Demeter and Artemis - restore 1 health every 0.8 seconds if you don't have any death defiance stacks left. I was healing so much against the last boss it was silly

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X_Dante_X
09/24/20 10:55:53 PM
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yeah that demeter duo is bonkers

i think even if you're time limited with that one heat option its probably still really good.

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mnkboy907
09/24/20 11:27:54 PM
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Got around to unlocking the spear, and I made it all the way to the bone hydra on my first try with it. Was really surprised, and I had to double check I didn't still have God Mode on. Beat the hydra on my third attempt, using the bow. It's definitely my favorite weapon of the three I have so far. Died on the butterfly mini-boss in Elysium that time.

It's encouraging to see I'm getting better even without the mirror (I've been saving up 500 for the next death defiance, which I just got past on my most recent run).

Does home decor do anything or is it just for show? I'm still using all my gems on the work orders, so I haven't tried any of them yet.

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PrivateBiscuit1
09/24/20 11:29:07 PM
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Some Home Decor does stuff. It's usually marked like the work orders, so I recommend prioritizing those which you seem to be doing!

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mnkboy907
09/25/20 12:37:51 AM
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Oh wow, I beat the surprise Tisiphone encounter on my first try on my first time ever using the shield (and after I lost a life to the crystal mini-boss because the shield seems kinda bad for all the laser beams). Luckily I had two death defiances otherwise I wouldn't have, lol.

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skullbone
09/25/20 12:43:26 AM
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The shield is great for laser beams because you can just block them if you're facing the right direction

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mnkboy907
09/25/20 12:52:22 AM
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Oh sure, but that mini boss when you have lasers in all directions not so much.

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MoogleKupo141
09/25/20 12:57:10 AM
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I started playing last night and have spent like 1/3 of the last 24 hours playing

just got my first clear. I would have had it like two hours earlier but I pressed RT like a millisecond too late in the last fight and got killed before I could call Athena. It sucked so hard. also lost progress the first time I got passed Elysium because I accidentally unplugged my external hard drive right after I died

anyway, I was super surprised how well the run I escaped on went because I was using the Aegis which I didnt really think was my jam. I ended up with a Zeus/Poseidon/Aphrodite set up where I had my shield throw causing lightning bolts and the duo boom which made my Poseidon dash and cast cause lightning too and I had the jolt boon, then I had (I think) an epic rank Aphrodite boon on my attack and had extra damage vs. weakened enemies. Also I ended up with an absurd amount of HP at the end.

I was just constantly dashing and throwing my shield causing non-stop lightning. I didnt even have to use death defiance in the final fight. It felt so good.

this game fucking rules, maybe my game of the year at this point. Its like they combined Bastion and Pyre + roguelike and I love all three of those things. Supergiant doesnt miss.

also also its incredible how much unique dialogue there is.
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mcflubbin
09/25/20 1:21:37 AM
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This game is amazing. I beat the main game already, now I'm just working on getting everyone's hearts up to max.

My favorite build so far has been a Poseidon + Zeus duo set on the rail gun. Got the Daedalus hammer buff that give you unlimited ammo and the one that ricochets your attack to an extra target. My main attack had the knock back effect, then I had the boons that cause rupture and explosions when enemies hit the wall, and the cherry on top was the Zeus/Poseidon duo boon that gives you a bunch of extra lightning damage when enemies hit the wall. I cleared the Styx chambers so fast it was disgusting.

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azuarc
09/25/20 1:30:50 AM
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So is there a reason everyone is talking about Demeter and I've still never encountered her?

Also, the shield blocks, huh. I mean, I figured it ought to, but it wasn't a command with Skelly. OTOH, those shield jerkfaces in Elysium are obnoxious with how often they stop my attacks, so it was just a matter of time before I sat down with the shield again and figured out how.

Have not been able to beat Elysium's boss, nor have I even figured out what I have to do to make that happen. I've also had a ton of trouble with Alecto when she shows up in Tartar Sauce.

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MoogleKupo141
09/25/20 1:33:25 AM
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Demeter doesnt show up until you reach the surface for the first time.
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MoogleKupo141
09/25/20 3:08:33 AM
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I have a combination right now that felt legitimately busted

I have (epic level 2) Aphrodites call which charms an enemy for 7 seconds

I also have Zeus and Aphrodites duo boon which automatically charges the god gauge 1% every .2 seconds but caps it at 25%. Thats 5 seconds to a full charge.

I just fought the Minotaur and basically was able to keep him from doing anything because I was able to keep him constantly charmed.
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Aecioo
09/25/20 8:28:20 AM
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Theseus and this fucking minotaur can go straight to hell

elysium spoilers I guess

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ViolentAbacus
09/25/20 8:38:08 AM
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Aecioo posted...
Theseus and this fucking minotaur can go straight to hell

elysium spoilers I guess

Easily the hardest fight in the game.

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X_Dante_X
09/25/20 9:20:27 AM
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elysium spoilers i guess

the theseus/asterius fight has really grown on me. The first time I got there, i died in literally 0.2 seconds, but after a couple tries and kinda learning how it goes its a lot of fun to time dodge in/under asterius' attacks. Having asterius as a mid stage boss was daunting but actually helped a lot in learning how to fight him without theseus screwing you over with random shots, and once you get down just asterius its easy to add in theseus. My biggest complaint with the fight is how different (in difficulty) the second half can be depending on which god theseus gets to call down.

I haven't seen the fight with extreme measures yet, looking forward to it though.

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masterplum
09/25/20 9:27:49 AM
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Killing the minotaur before the half way point of the other hero is ultra important.

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X_Dante_X
09/25/20 9:29:43 AM
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its very helpful and definitely what I aim for but its not like devastating if you don't. my first ever win of that fight got them both to half about the same time!

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WazzupGenius00
09/25/20 9:57:33 AM
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That fight with Extreme Measures is one of the funniest things in the game

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skullbone
09/25/20 12:07:14 PM
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Yeah for that fight it's important to focus minotaur first and also max out your call gauge. When Asterius uses his god boost you can usually take him from 50% to like 10% with a fully maxed gauge depending on which call you have.

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X_Dante_X
09/25/20 12:24:02 PM
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holy crap max gauge aphrodite call is so strong

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KommunistKoala
09/25/20 12:29:23 PM
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had the god beyblade run with the artemis/ares duo (your blade rifts are faster and seek opponents) and legendary ares (each consecutive hit for a blade rift makes it do more damage)

melted hades, was so good

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