Current Events > Darth Vader vs. Anakin Skywalker

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Anakin because he has real body parts

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In their primes, vader.

Had anakin never gotten torched, he would have gone far beyond prime vader

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isnt it established canon that the suit weakened Anakin?

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

In their primes, vader.

Had anakin never gotten torched, he would have gone far beyond prime vader

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Bananana posted...

isnt it established canon that the suit weakened Anakin?

It did, but vader still steadily grew in power.

Think of it like this. Say Anakin is a 100. Being burned and suited brought him down to a 60. Over time, he still grew to be a 150. But damn if he wouldn't have been a fuckin 250 if he hadn't been burned.

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J E S U S posted...

Anakin because he has real body parts

Aside from assisted-breathing, I believed Darth Vader was a cybernetic enhancement. HUD helmet, greater limb strength and durability. Little Ani was a wizard with droids so I assumed the suit was intimately modified.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

In their primes, vader.

Had anakin never gotten torched, he would have gone far beyond prime vader

That fits in with midichlorians residing within living-cells, but I still wonder why force use is affected by limbs at all. Would have been cool to see Vader's lightning electrifying his arms due to prosthetic limbs starting above the elbow.

Bananana posted...

isnt it established canon that the suit weakened Anakin?

Iirc not stated in the films, but George Lucas confirmed.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

That fits in with midichlorians residing within living-cells, but I still wonder why force use is affected by limbs at all. Would have been cool to see Vader's lightning electrifying his arms due to prosthetic limbs starting above the elbow.

Even without midichlorians, I think it works. And it's not necessarily just the lost limbs, but everything else.

The force is a living energy that flows through living things. Vaders energy left him barely tethered to life, on life support. More than anything, that should weaken his control and power over the force. He had less living energy

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

Even without midichlorians, I think it works. And it's not necessarily just the lost limbs, but everything else.

The force is a living energy that flows through living things. Vaders energy left him barely tethered to life, on life support. More than anything, that should weaken his control and power over the force. He had less living energy

Don't remember that part about tethered to living energy, but I thought Jedi became stronger with the force after death

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Don't remember that part about tethered to living energy, but I thought Jedi became stronger with the force after death

After death, sure. Barely clinging to life, no

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

After death, sure. Barely clinging to life, no

I feel this theory works better with midichlorians since they were explained in the film.

Idk how much detail they go into in current canon but EU Vader's suit was tricked out like a mf. His missing robot hand went on a bunch of bad ass adventures it was that amazing.

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Vader was direct and efficient in fighting
Anakin seemed too confident and had Obi wan constantly remind him of his flaws. Even in his prime, obiwan had words for him.

Anakin was emotionally unbalanced which made him be manipulated. His feelings betrayed him as he used it to draw power.

Vader is strengthened by the force in his hatred for himself. I thought Vader would be able to kill Yoda if he found him. Elderly Obiwan gave up on Anakin.


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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Idk how much detail they go into in current canon but EU Vader's suit was tricked out like a mf. His missing robot hand went on a bunch of bad ass adventures it was that amazing.

I never thought about Vader's prosthetic limbs having artificial intelligence. I like to think Vader built a droid in his free time during the Empire.

HBOSS posted...

Vader was direct and efficient in fighting
Anakin seemed too confident and had Obi wan constantly remind him of his flaws. Even in his prime, obiwan had words for him.

Anakin was emotionally unbalanced which made him be manipulated. His feelings betrayed him as he used it to draw power.

Vader is strengthened by the force in his hatred for himself. I thought Vader would be able to kill Yoda if he found him. Elderly Obiwan gave up on Anakin.

Vader was probably more reliant on the force rather than lightsaber. Meanwhile, Skywalker with his natural limbs probably had more control over the sword.

Darth Vader existed before the suit, albeit briefly.

Suited Vader, while maimed, still had much more training and experience than Anglin Skywalker. He might not have been capable of reaching the peaks Anakin had the potential to achieve, but he was still stronger than Anakin was on Mustafar.

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Elmer_Glue posted...

Darth Vader existed before the suit, albeit briefly.

Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker existed as completely separate characters albeit only in the original Star Wars.

Compsognathus posted...

Suited Vader, while maimed, still had much more training and experience than Anglin Skywalker. He might not have been capable of reaching the peaks Anakin had the potential to achieve, but he was still stronger than Anakin was on Mustafar.

Is Anglin Skywalker a reference

Vader is older, wiser, more experienced and level headed. Anakin would lose his cool and get destroyed.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker existed as completely separate characters albeit only in the original Star Wars.

Is Anglin Skywalker a reference

No. It is a new phone with an autocorrect not accustomed to how much Star Wars I type.

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Darth's Theme
https://youtu.be/s3SZ5sIMY6o

Anakin's Theme
https://youtu.be/WUC7MgkOgKA

Anyone catch the similarities between Anakin and Kylo Ren music?

Anakin's Dark Deeds
https://youtu.be/FVWr249AUq4?t=228

Torn Apart
https://youtu.be/VwNpmpBC-t0?t=88

My gut says Vader with experience. Anakin lost to Obi Wan due to overconfidence, not a lack of power. Vader would take Anakin down by exploiting his overconfidence.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Aside from assisted-breathing, I believed Darth Vader was a cybernetic enhancement. HUD helmet, greater limb strength and durability. Little Ani was a wizard with droids so I assumed the suit was intimately modified.

It's mentioned in one of the books while Vader is bitching about the suit right after getting it.

He says something like "These new limbs are strong enough to crush the hilt of my lightsaber, but even before this the Force made me strong enough to do that."

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Vader but I feel Anakin wouldve been more powerful had he not been sliced, diced and burnt to a crisp. Vader had parts upgraded over time but from what Im to understand he was still in a lot of pain in his suit. I do believe had he not gotten all fucked up on mustafar, hed have become incredibly powerful.

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if losing limbs makes you weaker in the force, then shouldnt the inverse (more body mass) also be true?

Fat Jedi are probably OP

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Anakin at his peak (basically the opening scene of ROTS, because everything after that was him in a distraught state or after he became Darth Vader) would destroy Vader at his peak (probably R1, because by ESB and ROTJ he was conflicted, R1 is the best example of a peak Vader who isnt remotely conflicted about anything).

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vader

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