Current Events > Sony and Microsoft still playing chicken over next gen pricing is hilarious

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My thought was always they'd basically be
PS5 & XSX: $499
PS5 DE: $449
XSS: $299

But the fact they still haven't announced it must mean they're both concerned about either being undercut by the competition or maybe they're nervous that the price is high and they're saving it until as late as possible so it's not a cloud hanging over their marketing.

At this rate I think prices won't be announced until next month.

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Rare image of gamers who wait several years for the cheaper, more reliable console reversions, and a pile of "GOTY" versions of hyped exclusives with all the DLC already included:



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now that halo is delayed, price is the only thing microsoft has to make their box stand out.

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I bet Microsoft is going to announce a subsidized SKU with GPU where you get the console for $300 + have to make monthly GPU payments for 1 year.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I bet Microsoft is going to announce a subsidized SKU with GPU where you get the console for $300 + have to make monthly GPU payments for 1 year.

I think Xbox All Access already covers that no?

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Darmik posted...

I think Xbox All Access already covers that no?

Only for Xbox One.

Presumably the XSeX is going to be more expensive.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Only for Xbox One.

Presumably the XSeX is going to be more expensive.

I think they've already said you can upgrade those plans to the new consoles when they release. Probably will have a price bump yeah.

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I think the reason they're waiting so long is they know it only makes sense at 599 and that's a problem number.
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Price will be available only on release day at this point

spanky1 posted...

I think the reason they're waiting so long is they know it only makes sense at 599 and that's a problem number.

Sony: The Playstation 5 will retail for 598 US dollars.

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XplodnPnguins92 posted...

now that halo is delayed, price is the only thing microsoft has to make their box stand out.

does anyone even care about halo in 2020 though? kids/teens have no attachment to the franchise, hell even halo infinite's big marketing draw is that it's nostalgic for ppl that grew up playing halo CE.

MS should just market the xbox on hardware, people are going to want to buy the box that will best play warzone or fortnite or whatever the hell normies are playing these days

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Gonna get the PS5 whenever I can, fuckton of PS4 games I missed out on.

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Ps5 digital edition ftw

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Romulox28 posted...

does anyone even care about halo in 2020 though? kids/teens have no attachment to the franchise, infinite's whole gimmick was nostalgia baiting crusty 30 year old boomers who played CE as a kid,

MS should just market the xbox on hardware, people are going to want to buy the box that will best play warzone or fortnite or whatever the hell normies are playing these days

MCC is selling extremely well on Steam so yeah.

But yeah I think they'll really try to emphasize that Xbox is the best place to play console games too. Funnily enough the biggest way to draw in kids is to make Minecraft a next gen exclusive for Xbox.

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xbox is already dead stop shilling

Sony boys still salty I see

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Sony literally owes its successes with PSOne and PS4 to undercutting the competition at E3. Microsoft learned its lesson. But they've kinda shit the bed otherwise

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DarkRoast posted...

Sony literally owes its successes with PSOne and PS4 to undercutting the competition at E3. Microsoft learned its lesson. But they've kinda shit the bed otherwise

That PS1 price announcement basically dealt a fatal blow to Sega that they never really recovered from lol

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Yeah. A difference of $50 bucks shouldn't dissuade someone on an 8 year investment.
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The fact that Series S is going to be only modestly more powerful than the X1X makes me wonder why it even needs to exist.

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DarkRoast posted...

The fact that Series S is going to be only modestly more powerful than the X1X makes me wonder why it even needs to exist.

The X1X can't play next gen games due to the CPU and SSD.

The XSS can. It will likely also be used for xCloud games since they don't stream in 4k.

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With having just bought a PS4 Pro a few months back, Sony has given me no reason to shell out for a PS5 at launch. None of the launch games are must buy

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The only thing about next gen that matters to me is that developers can finally raise the bar on games they make.

The last 3-4 years of a console gen sucks for everyone because their old hardware holds the entire industry back.

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Darmik posted...

I think they've already said you can upgrade those plans to the new consoles when they release. Probably will have a price bump yeah.

They said you can do that with the games. If they do it with the consoles as well, I highly doubt it'll be $0 down though as Xbox All Access is now.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

They said you can do that with the games. If they do it with the consoles as well, I highly doubt it'll be $0 down though as Xbox All Access is now.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-all-access

You can upgrade if you've already paid off 18 months. Probably a lump sum if it's less than that.

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Darmik posted...

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-all-access

You can upgrade if you've already paid off 18 months. Probably a lump sum if it's less than that.

So basically if you buy a X1 now, you get a free upgrade to XSX in 18 months, probably have to renew the 2 year contract as well.

That's honestly a great deal for people who are already paying for GPU ultimate anyway.

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They're fucking stupid trying to release $500-$600 consoles with $70 games during these times. Very few people can afford new games right now, let alone new consoles.

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They should delay until next year.

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Microsoft is in an extremely bad position right now.

They are clearly not ready to launch XSX in November, certainly from a software standpoint and I'd wager from a hardware supply standpoint as well. Halo Infinite was literally the only game that even looked like it was past development planning stages, and even it looked pretty bland.

The only reason Series S exists is to offset how expensive Series X will almost certainly be. To launch a crazy-expensive console with zero games even on the remote horizon during the middle of a huge recession is a horrible idea.


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Anyone else think there will be different versions with different price points -- kind of like there is now with the xbox?

I can see them doing this so they can have one for like $999 and another for $499. Put a larger SSD or whatever in the big one and a fancy controller or special edition and people will eat it up.

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whitelytning posted...

Anyone else think there will be different versions with different price points -- kind of like there is now with the xbox?

I can see them doing this so they can have one for like $999 and another for $499. Put a larger SSD or whatever in the big one and a fancy controller or special edition and people will eat it up.

For the PS5? Nah. They'll do what they did this gen and make a PS5 Pro to sucker people into buying two PS5s

whitelytning posted...

Anyone else think there will be different versions with different price points -- kind of like there is now with the xbox?

I can see them doing this so they can have one for like $999 and another for $499. Put a larger SSD or whatever in the big one and a fancy controller or special edition and people will eat it up.

If someone is laying down a G for a system, thats the only thing they will likely be eating for a while.


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DarthAragorn posted...

For the PS5? Nah. They'll do what they did this gen and make a PS5 Pro to sucker people into buying two PS5s

Just want to point out that launch Xbox 360s were basically unusable by 2013 (no wifi, no HDMI, no HD-DVD/BLU-RAY drive, few TVs supported 1080p over Component Cables, 20 GB HDD that was proprietary despite forced game installs late-gen)

Launch Xbox One consoles don't have HDR and most games look and run worse on them than even the Xbox One S. Proprietary HDD is too small and can't be replaced.

Launch PS3s were arguably the best PS3s you could own, even by 2013
Launch PS4s are basically identical to the PS4 Slim in features (including HDR)

So if we're gonna criticize Sony for making "Pro" consoles, we should point out that at least they didn't release launch consoles that were gimped to the point of being more or less unusable by the end of the generation.

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IMO like Apple they are scared of releasing this now

so it could be Delayed, Mid December watch.

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It's the cold war of gaming
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Watch Microsoft do something like secure prime shipping only for Xbox for 2020.

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Romulox28 posted...

does anyone even care about halo in 2020 though? kids/teens have no attachment to the franchise, infinite's whole gimmick was nostalgia baiting crusty 30 year old boomers who played CE as a kid,

MS should just market the xbox on hardware, people are going to want to buy the box that will best play warzone or fortnite or whatever the hell normies are playing these days

Rood. I'm not old and crusty.

But yeah, I'm 31 and Halo was a huge part of my teenage years. Halo Infinite is the first time I've really cared about the series since Halo Reach back in 2010.

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whitelytning posted...

Anyone else think there will be different versions with different price points -- kind of like there is now with the xbox?

I can see them doing this so they can have one for like $999 and another for $499. Put a larger SSD or whatever in the big one and a fancy controller or special edition and people will eat it up.

The entire point of the Series S is to be a (relatively) reasonably cost-focused alternative to Series X.

The problem, as pointed out by Digital Foundry, is that Series S gimps Series X in the same way Xbox One gimps the Xbox One X. If everything has to be compatible across the line, development must start with and focus on the lowest common denominator. Games can't be developed to fully utilize the Series X. You're just gonna get higher resolutions, better frame rates, ray tracing, etc. But not any kind of radical generation-spanning difference.


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It is futile of Microsoft to think they can win.
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Sony is in a vastly better position to Microsoft right now, and they clearly know it. Microsoft is 2 years away from any meaningful first party exclusive other than Halo Infinite, assuming it doesn't also get delayed next year.

With that said, Sony also made one really critical mistake - that hard drive they're using. It's literally so advanced that Intel chipsets on PC don't even support it yet. It's an absurdly expensive technology that dramatically drives up the manufacturing costs of the PS5. There's a pretty good chance that Sony will price the PS5 the same or even higher than the Series X, despite being pretty significantly less powerful.

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DarkRoast posted...

It's literally so advanced that Intel chipsets on PC don't even support it yet. It's an absurdly expensive technology that dramatically drives up the manufacturing costs of the PS5.

It literally doesn't matter because the PS5 is using AMD and it's not "so advanced" at all. Intel just sucks. AMD is releasing 5nm dies this year and Intel hasn't even released 7nm dies.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

It literally doesn't matter because the PS5 is using AMD and it's not "so advanced" at all. Intel just sucks. AMD is releasing 5nm dies this year and Intel hasn't even released 7nm dies.

It is advance, it is customized

stop acting like is PS4 to PRO type if jump

it is WAYY bigger than that

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Joeydollaz posted...

It is advance, it is customized

stop acting like is PS4 to PRO type if jump

it is WAYY bigger than that

No it's more like a PS4 to PS5 type jump.

It's neither advanced nor customized. It's stock AMD PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD that you can buy off the shelf in just about any hardware store. Even Intel makes them but they have to test them on AMD hardware lmao.

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They should just give consoles away for free.

Tyranthraxus posted...

No it's more like a PS4 to PS5 type jump.

It's neither advanced nor customized. It's stock AMD PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD that you can buy off the shelf in just about any hardware store. Even Intel makes them but they have to test them on AMD hardware lmao.

Are you some PC guy?

because you can't even play Read Dead Redemption one on your Rig


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Joeydollaz posted...

Are you some PC guy?

because you can't even play Read Dead Redemption one on your Rig

Yeah I can actually lmao

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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

It is futile of Microsoft to think they can win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_generation_of_video_game_consoles

During the 7th gen where the XB360 did well for the first 2/3's of the generation, Sony shot themselves in the foot with PS3.

But by the end, you can tell by Global Console Unit sales #'s.

PS3 got 87.4 million
XB360's got 84 million

Alot of PS3's increase in unit sales was near the end of it's life cycle which is what pushed it slightly over the XB360.

So MS definitely has a chance.

Between Sony & MS, this generation is the most interesting generation I've seen so far.

Both sides are so similar and have a relatively even standing at the moment.

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pres_madagascar posted...

They're fucking stupid trying to release $500-$600 consoles with $70 games during these times. Very few people can afford new games right now, let alone new consoles.

Covid has caused videogame sales to skyrocket. Also historically economic strife has always been good to the entertainment industry.

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pres_madagascar posted...

They're fucking stupid trying to release $500-$600 consoles with $70 games during these times. Very few people can afford new games right now, let alone new consoles.

But more people are buying consoles and games than ever because there's basically nothing else to do.

DarkRoast posted...

Microsoft is in an extremely bad position right now.

They are clearly not ready to launch XSX in November, certainly from a software standpoint and I'd wager from a hardware supply standpoint as well. Halo Infinite was literally the only game that even looked like it was past development planning stages, and even it looked pretty bland.

The only reason Series S exists is to offset how expensive Series X will almost certainly be. To launch a crazy-expensive console with zero games even on the remote horizon during the middle of a huge recession is a horrible idea.

Pretty sure they've been manufacturing for a while now. Phil Spencer has a retail unit. Controllers are already out in the wild.

DarkRoast posted...

The problem, as pointed out by Digital Foundry, is that Series S gimps Series X in the same way Xbox One gimps the Xbox One X. If everything has to be compatible across the line, development must start with and focus on the lowest common denominator. Games can't be developed to fully utilize the Series X. You're just gonna get higher resolutions, better frame rates, ray tracing, etc. But not any kind of radical generation-spanning difference.

Where did Digital Foundry say that about the Series S? Pretty sure they actually said the opposite. That it would scale fine. It's the Xbox One that's causing issues.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-in-theory-does-a-4tf-next-gen-console-make-sense

However, while the tests here can only really be considered a very rough ballpark approximation of what the real thing may deliver, the basic concept of scalability seems to check out - and with next-gen pricing apparently causing concern, maybe a more value-orientated console is what the market is going to need.

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