Current Events > Why arent ppl taking the dangers of China more seriously?

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Take a look at this shit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hong-kong-jimmy-lai-arrest/2020/08/09/d7312f20-daa4-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

HONG KONG Police on Monday arrested media tycoon and activist Jimmy Lai, his sons and several executives of his publishing group for allegedly colluding with foreign forces, a crime punishable by life imprisonment under a sweeping national security law that China recently imposed on Hong Kong.

Honk Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national 'security law'

Fuck. Hong Kong has really fallen now hasnt it? At this point why do ppl keep defending China and making them immune to criticism?

toyota posted...

At this point why do ppl keep defending China and making them immune to criticism?

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toyota posted...

Why arent ppl taking the dangers of China more seriously?

Well, people get upset when you call COVID the Wuhan Flu, so I guess that shows you where they stand on the whole China issue.

HiddenRoar posted...

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Well, people get upset when you call COVID the Wuhan Flu, so I guess that shows you where they stand on the whole China issue.

we dont live over there so no one cares

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Cause das racist!

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OP paying attention to that but not

the Tensions at Sea WTF?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Cause das racist!

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HiddenRoar posted...

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Well, people get upset when you call COVID the Wuhan Flu, so I guess that shows you where they stand on the whole China issue.

I always call it the CCP Virus. Can't claim it is racist like with Chinese Virus and shit.

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China is less bad than North Korea or Nazi Germany, so I guess I need to support them.

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Free Hong Kong!

Come at me you fat bear

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Pretty sad as Americans we can't agree China fucking sucks. We're doomed

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It's not that China is immune to criticism dude. It's just that they are powerful enough now to do what they want and not give a fuck. Americans aren't really used to other countries being able to do that. What they are doing in Hong Kong is no different than the what the US did all through cold war in South America. Government not friendly to your government or your business interests? Install your government that's more friendly. Is it right? No, of course not. But also just like the US, unless you are willing to go to war over it, there is literally fuck all you can do in the short term. In the long term, convince your businesses to pull out and make your country more less dependent on cheap Chinese goods and resources.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pretty sad as Americans we can't agree China fucking sucks. We're doomed

We'll be even more doomed if we fight China because nukes.
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Because people are so desperate to shit on the US and prostrate themselves in a display of guilt, they will side with the country that has modern concentration camps.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Because people are so desperate to shit on the US and prostrate themselves in a display of guilt, they will side with the country that has modern concentration camps.

I've yet to see any person worth taking seriously side with China.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pretty sad as Americans we can't agree China fucking sucks. We're doomed

We can't even all agree Trump sucks or conceive of people not liking 2 things. No shit we're doomed.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

It's not that China is immune to criticism dude. It's just that they are powerful enough now to do what they want. Americans aren't really used to other countries being able to do that. What they are doing in Hong Kong is no different than the what the US did all through cold war in South America. Don't like the government there? It's not friendly to your government or your business interests? Install your government that's more friendly. Is it right? No, of course not. But also just like the US, unless you are willing to go to war over it, there is literally fuck all you can do in the short term. In the long term, convince your businesses to pull out and make your country more less dependent on cheap Chinese goods and resources.

China is losing their economic advantage of cheap labor and are fully aware of it. Which is why they're offering loans to poor countries for building projects for trade ports and routes they know they'll never be able to pay for and they'll end up owning.

Make no mistake, the western world is in an economic cold war with China, the first totalitarian nation in history to adopt capitalist "economic zones" so they don't fall completly to the wayside economically. How this plays out will be the historical story of our time for better or worse.

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MuayThai85 posted...

I always call it the CCP Virus. Can't claim it is racist like with Chinese Virus and shit.

Why don't you call it the donald trump virus? That makes infinitely more sense.
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Machete posted...

Why don't you call it the donald trump virus? That makes infinitely more sense.

Because it didn't originate from donald trump?

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Machete posted...

Why don't you call it the donald trump virus? That makes infinitely more sense.

It doesnt

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pretty sad as Americans we can't agree China fucking sucks. We're doomed

Like 95% of the country agrees that the Chinese government sucks. You not understanding why public figures with a large amount of influence shouldn't say things that demonize certain groups of people is on you.


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IMNOTRAGED posted...

You not understanding why public figures with a large amount of influence shouldn't say things that demonize certain groups of people is on you.

That's a mighty large speculation friend

I don't have anything against chinese people. In fact the chinese populous is the biggest victim if their government to date. Just look at Hong Kong

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Lebron told me that we shouldn't criticize China

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

You not understanding why public figures with a large amount of influence shouldn't say things that demonize certain groups of people is on you.

Because they have no convictions and care more about money than people?

They should be telling Xi and the CCP to lick their assholes while flipping them off with both hands.

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Its up to its own people to figure it out, seriously what do you think we could achieve by helping Hong Kong right now?

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pick4six posted...

Its up to its own people to figure it out, seriously what do you think we could achieve by helping Hong Kong right now?

Fucking with China?

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When you have nukes you can pretty much do whatever you want in international politics. Russia has invaded so many of their neighbors (notably alleged future US allies Georgia and Ukraine) and despite being far weaker than China nothing serious has happened to them. It shouldn't surprise people China wants in on the no consequences foreign policy other nuclear powers engage in. The CCP is awful, and I have a personal vested interest in the situation there due to family, buy I don't know what people think will happen. Nuclear armed countries get to do whatever they want without consequence. North Korea has even killed South Korea military, sunk an entire ship for no reason, and absolutely nothing was done to them in response.

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ssjevot posted...

When you have nukes you can pretty much do whatever you want in international politics. Russia has invaded so many of their neighbors (notably alleged future US allies Georgia and Ukraine) and despite being far weaker than China nothing serious has happened to them. It shouldn't surprise people China wants in on the no consequences foreign policy other nuclear powers engage in. The CCP is awful, and I have a personal vested interest in the situation there due to family, buy I don't know what people think will happen. Nuclear armed countries get to do whatever they want without consequence. North Korea has even killed South Korea military, sunk an entire ship for no reason, and absolutely nothing was done to them in response.

Obama lead pretty heavy handed economic sanction on russia. This I how "wars" against nuclear powers are fought these days for anyone behind

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HiddenRoar posted...

Well, people get upset when you call COVID the Wuhan Flu, so I guess that shows you where they stand on the whole China issue.

It's the CCP Virus/Flu. Get it right.

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Because a lot of people are bought and sold by them. Not me though, the CCP is fascist to pretty everyone, even other Han Chinese and needs to be disbanded and replaced with democracy.
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Maeiv posted...

Lebron told me that we shouldn't criticize China

Lebron cares more about $$$ than people.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Obama lead pretty heavy handed economic sanction on russia. This I how "wars" against nuclear powers are fought these days for anyone behind

Trump is trying as hard as he can to undo those. It also hasn't seemed to have had meaningful impact since Belarus is looking like it will be next on the list.

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HiddenRoar posted...

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Well, people get upset when you call COVID the Wuhan Flu, so I guess that shows you where they stand on the whole China issue.

Why are all of your posts so stupid? How much of what you say do you actually believe?

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ssjevot posted...

Trump is trying as hard as he can to undo those. It also hasn't seemed to have had meaningful impact since Belarus is looking like it will be next on the list.

Okay? I'll freely admit our status on a global stage has diminished during the current administration. Doesn't change anything I've said

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Shut up Snake, Trump is your ultimate favorite but you wont criticize Trump with his ties to China

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pick4six posted...

Shut up Snake, Trump is your ultimate favorite but you wont criticize Trump with his ties to China

Trump is a jackass but his "xenophobic" criticisms of China are one of the few things he got right

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Since this topic has a ton of trump supporters in it I think its only fair to ask:

what has trump said about China? Heres a statement from Jan 22 2020:

One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!

I could go on with many more quotes from 2019 and 2020 (so we dont do the whole he changed his mind since 2017/2018 shit).

so now the real question is why are the users who support trump the same ones acting like they are fighting China. If anything, all you trump supporters in this topic are the ones enabling this shit.

so whats the deal, do you guys not know who youre supporting or what?

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I just can't be bothered to care about this shit anymore. Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan, Uyghurs, none of it.

1. We can't get our own human rights violations in check. We've got kids in cages. People being locked away and tortured for years without trials. We are killing all kinds of civilians in the middle east.
2. So basically what China is doing now is just a small taste of what we've been doing to the rest of the world since the cold war started.
3. "Blah blah why can't we do two things at once" bro we can't even fucking do one thing at once.

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What if... Both America and China bad? Maybe one country doing a bad thing doesn't make another doing it okay? Whataboutism is just lame. A lot of people don't live in America or China and are impacted by the bad things both countries do.

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For the record, I'm not a trump supporter. I firmly believe he's weaken our position and simultaneously strengthened China's position as a global power.

So you can go ahead and throw that easy dismissal to the wayside and try to actually think for yourself for a change

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ssjevot posted...

What if... Both America and China bad? Maybe one country doing a bad thing doesn't make another doing it okay? Whataboutism is just lame. A lot of people don't live in America or China and are impacted by the bad things both countries do.

I can't think of a country the United states is openly trying to stifle criticisms of themselves in. But sure, keep pretending they're the same

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What navy does china have to invade my home in Nashville, Tn right now OP? Trump also has made China way stronger than before, so voting for Trump is stupid af if you are paranoid about China winning the cold war.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I can't think of a country the United states is openly trying to stifle criticisms of themselves in. But sure, keep pretending they're the same

Never said they're the same, said they're both bad, because they are. United States is more about stifling opposition through covert or overt violence. It's not like the invasions and coups supported by the US throughout history are classified information. If you think China bad means US good, you are no better than the people who think US bad means China good. They both do awful things and that doesn't make it okay for either.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Cause das racist!

Either this or $$$$$$$$$

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Okay TC convinced me. I will stop China now.

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ssjevot posted...

Never said they're the same, said they're both bad, because they are. United States is more about stifling opposition through covert or overt violence. It's not like the invasions and coups supported by the US throughout history are classified information. If you think China bad means US good, you are no better than the people who think US bad means China good. They both do awful things and that doesn't make it okay for either.

Let's try to stick to modern history for relevance

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Let's try to stick to modern history for relevance

Is Iraq and Afghanistan no longer modern history? How about Syria and Lebanon? How about the overt support for regimes like Saudi Arabia? Also forgot to mention Lybia, which post Obama bombing campaign of freedom now gets to enjoy warlords and literal slave markets.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Let's try to stick to modern history for relevance

whats modern history to you, the last 10 years lmao?

what a stupid ass response, you should have just not responded.

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What's criticism going to achieve? China won't stop being an authoritarian state just because people tell them they're doing bad things.

If you really wanted to prevent them from toppling American hegemony you'd boycott any products made in China. But literally no one, especially Americans, is willing to do this.

So it seems there's not much else to do but sit back and watch the show unfold.

Zeeak4444 posted...

so whats the deal, do you guys not know who youre supporting or what?

Regardless of ideology, most Democrats seeking their partys presidential nomination have been treading cautiously on China.
An August poll released by the Pew Research Center showed 60% of Americans had a negative view of China, up from 47% in 2018, a sign that Trumps China-bashing is having an effect.
Indeed, Trumps insurgent 2016 campaign was powered in part by animus toward China and pledges to confront the Asian power. Trump exposed raw feelings about globalisation and free trade held by many voters who witnessed U.S. factory jobs vanish and local economies stagnate.
In doing so, he co-opted a position long held by progressives such as Sanders and Warren that globalisation had benefited multinational corporations at the expense of U.S. workers.
Trump stole everybodys thunder on the issue, Bernstein said.
Warrens recently released trade plan is not centered on tariffs. But as president, she would not support any trade deal with a nation that did not meet a host of environmental, labor and human rights criteria, a set of standards the United States itself does not yet meet and would likely exclude developing nations.
There is no doubt the public is ready for an anti-China message. But it has to be a smart, strategic message, said Scott Lincicome, a trade policy expert at the CATO Institute, which supports free trade. Otherwise, he said: They are ceding the turf to Trump.
In that regard, it has not been easy for Democrats to establish their separate identities. The Sanders-Warren message on trade at the Joe Voter level is indistinguishable from Trumps, Lincicome said.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/04/21/u-s-views-of-china-increasingly-negative-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Since President Donald Trump took office in 2017, his approach to U.S.-China relations has included increased pressure via tariffs and trade war rhetoric, and now, with the onset of an unprecedented pandemic, the stage has been set for both sides to cast aspersions on the other. Against this backdrop, negative views of China have continued to grow, according to a new Pew Research Center survey of Americans conducted in March. Roughly two-thirds now say they have an unfavorable view of China, the most negative rating for the country since the Center began asking the question in 2005, and up nearly 20 percentage points since the start of the Trump administration. Positive views of Chinas leader, President Xi Jinping, are also at historically low levels.

As the economies of both China and the United States struggle with the impact of the current pandemic, more Americans now see the U.S. as the worlds leading economic power than at any time over the past 12 years. In fact, Americans now see the U.S. as more of an economic powerhouse than China by roughly two-to-one (59% vs. 30%). Americans also overwhelmingly believe their country leads the world militarily and that the world is better off with U.S. leadership as opposed to that of China.

In some ways, this is a partisan story. Republicans continue to be more wary of China than Democrats across many questions in this report. Nearly three-quarters of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents see China unfavorably, compared with roughly six-in-ten Democrats and Democratic leaners.They are also more worried about China when it comes to cybersecurity and economic issues such as job losses to China and the trade imbalance. Republicans are more likely than Democrats to see the United States outpacing China as the worlds leading economic power as well as the worlds top military. And GOP supporters almost universally say it is better that the world be led by the U.S. Still, negative views of China increased slightly among Democrats this year, so partisans of both stripes are now largely negative toward the superpower. In fact, after seeing large increases in negative views of China from 2018 to 2019, both parties registered their most unfavorable opinions to date in 2020.

These are among the findings of a new survey by Pew Research Center, conducted March 3 to 29, 2020, among 1,000 adults in the U.S. The survey also finds that younger people, who have historically been more positive than older Americans toward China, now increasingly hold negative views of the country and are more prone to see it as a threat to the U.S. than in previous years. Older Americans, however, still take a more negative stance than their younger compatriots on most aspects of the U.S.-China relationship.

Basically if you're a Democrat, you're more likely to be more sympathetic to China, as we see in this topic with certain left leaning users.

No idea. They are the worst government in the world right now but somehow some people still shill for them.

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