Poll of the Day > Trump corrupting postal service

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America is becoming a third-world country when an institution as basic as the U.S. Postal Service is vulnerable to Trump's whims.

A major Republican Party fundraiser, Louis DeJoy, was appointed to lead the agency as postmaster general. With cost-cutting policies being instituted, there may be post office closures and slower and less-reliable delivery service.


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How many things that we used to need the postal service for , are now done electronically?

The various forms of the phone and the computer has made postal delivered written correspondence obsolete for over 80% of Americans.

We no longer need 6 day a week delivery.

Now ,I agree that we shouldn't be closing branches except in midsized and large cities with multiple facilities that are losing population.

State governments have closed many physical structures with the changes in technology , we can adapt to reductions in postal service.

robbobmur posted...

How many things that we used to need the postal service for , are now done electronically?

The various forms of the phone and the computer has made postal delivered written correspondence obsolete for over 80% of Americans.

We no longer need 6 day a week delivery.

Now ,I agree that we shouldn't be closing branches except in midsized and large cities with multiple facilities that are losing population.

State governments have closed many physical structures with the changes in technology , we can adapt to reductions in postal service.

I believe this was posted to highlight the fact that Trump has been rabidly against absentee voting and getting one of his cronies in charge of the postsl system would (at least in his mind) give him an edge.

He's polling horribly and is now pulling every underhanded trick he can to stay in power. Not serve his country, but to stay in power. He knows his supporters will go out to stand in lines to vote. Most are still of the "it's just a flu" or "it's all a hoax" variety and will willingly walk into the gas chamber just to support him. Take out as many mail in votes as possible and his chances of winning increase.

That, is what I believe TC is trying to say.

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b_hamnite posted...

I believe this was posted to highlight the fact that Trump has been rabidly against absentee voting and getting one of his cronies in charge of the postsl system would (at least in his mind) give him an edge.

He's polling horribly and is now pulling every underhanded trick he can to stay in power. Not serve his country, but to stay in power. He knows his supporters will go out to stand in lines to vote. Most are still of the "it's just a flu" or "it's all a hoax" variety and will willingly walk into the gas chamber just to support him. Take out as many mail in votes as possible and his chances of winning increase.

That, is what I believe TC is trying to say.

Trump doing something underhanded? That's unbelievable!

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Obama had openly acknowledged several years ago the postal service is obsolete and defunct.

The notion that a lot of folks want to entrust them to handle a large chunk of our ballots is very telling.

b_hamnite posted...

I believe this was posted to highlight the fact that Trump has been rabidly against absentee voting and getting one of his cronies in charge of the postsl system would (at least in his mind) give him an edge.

He's polling horribly and is now pulling every underhanded trick he can to stay in power. Not serve his country, but to stay in power. He knows his supporters will go out to stand in lines to vote. Most are still of the "it's just a flu" or "it's all a hoax" variety and will willingly walk into the gas chamber just to support him. Take out as many mail in votes as possible and his chances of winning increase.

That, is what I believe TC is trying to say.

This is true BUT...

this isnt the full story. On top of trying to give Trump the edge theres another, perhaps worse goal to all of this. Its to make the post office run bad and make the case for privatization.

Gotta give it to the GOP. When they try to fuck you they go all the way.

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Getting rid of the US Postal Service is going to massively hurt small businesses.

Shipping one of the huge genealogy textbooks my grandfather wrote (8 pounds each) costs $6.52 USPS Media rate. Shipping the same package via FedEx is $17.08 and via UPS is $17.81. I already have a hard time selling people a book that costs $75, at $85 it's going to be even harder. I make almost no profit whatsoever (self-publishing a 1300 page hard cover textbook with color photographs and archival paper is incredibly expensive) so I can't just eat the increased cost.

Letters are even worse. 55 to mail a letter through the Postal Service and they'll pick it up from your mailbox. FedEx it's $11 and you have to find a drop box or shipping location, it's $15 if you want them to pick it up. Looks like the best UPS can do is $27.51, though that will get you delivery in 2 days instead of 3. But you'll still have to drop it off. And good luck if you live in a rural area. USPS serves almost everyone in the US for the same rates, FedEx and UPS charge extra for remote areas, if they deliver at all.

(I used Omaha, NE to Atlanta, GA to calculate all of these)

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BeerOnTap posted...

Obama had openly acknowledged several years ago the postal service is obsolete and defunct.

The notion that a lot of folks want to entrust them to handle a large chunk of our ballots is very telling.

the reason the postal service loses money is because they have to pre-pay employee pensions for 75 years, which no other government agency has to do, and that's a bush-era policy. not really sure what obama has to do with it when historically it's been republicans trying to dismantle a basic service

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robbobmur posted...

How many things that we used to need the postal service for , are now done electronically?

The various forms of the phone and the computer has made postal delivered written correspondence obsolete for over 80% of Americans.

We no longer need 6 day a week delivery.

Now ,I agree that we shouldn't be closing branches except in midsized and large cities with multiple facilities that are losing population.

State governments have closed many physical structures with the changes in technology , we can adapt to reductions in postal service.

yeah people can just download their prescriptions nowadays

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So does this mean no mail-in voting? Or at the very least significantly less mail-in voting?

Why does the president have the power to sabotage the election?

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Mead posted...

yeah people can just download their prescriptions nowadays

I didn't say shutter it altogether , did I?

captpackrat posted...

Getting rid of the US Postal Service is going to massively hurt small businesses.

Shipping one of the huge genealogy textbooks my grandfather wrote (8 pounds each) costs $6.52 USPS Media rate. Shipping the same package via FedEx is $17.08 and via UPS is $17.81. I already have a hard time selling people a book that costs $75, at $85 it's going to be even harder. I make almost no profit whatsoever (self-publishing a 1300 page hard cover textbook with color photographs and archival paper is incredibly expensive) so I can't just eat the increased cost.

Letters are even worse. 55 to mail a letter through the Postal Service and they'll pick it up from your mailbox. FedEx it's $11 and you have to find a drop box or shipping location, it's $15 if you want them to pick it up. Looks like the best UPS can do is $27.51, though that will get you delivery in 2 days instead of 3. But you'll still have to drop it off. And good luck if you live in a rural area. USPS serves almost everyone in the US for the same rates, FedEx and UPS charge extra for remote areas, if they deliver at all.

(I used Omaha, NE to Atlanta, GA to calculate all of these)

People don't realize how cheap the post office is. They're going to be sorry when Trump successfully guts it and we're left with privatized trash. Shipping a letter anywhere in America for 55 cents is an incredible bargain.

robbobmur posted...

I didn't say shutter it altogether , did I?

yeah just slow down the speed at which people get their insulin and cholesterol meds, surely nothing unfortunate is gonna come from that

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People are actually defending the destruction of a public postal service smh.

I guess just fuck everyone who lives in rural areas, right? Or will we trust the oh so virtuous private courier company executives to provide affordable, subsidized delivery services to those regions?

Canada Post nearly went under about 8 years ago, but the rise of online shopping saved it as they expanded their package delivery services. You can live in the middle of butt fuck Nunavut and still get your mail. If Canada can do it in a geographically larger country with a much more sparse population, the US has absolutely no excuses.

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Becoming a third world country? We've been there for decades.

robbobmur posted...

How many things that we used to need the postal service for , are now done electronically?

The various forms of the phone and the computer has made postal delivered written correspondence obsolete for over 80% of Americans.

We no longer need 6 day a week delivery.

Now ,I agree that we shouldn't be closing branches except in midsized and large cities with multiple facilities that are losing population.

State governments have closed many physical structures with the changes in technology , we can adapt to reductions in postal service.

This take kind of shits on people in remote rural areas, who tend to be supporters of the Republican Party.

Its like when people say things should be all digital because everyone has fast internet these days. There are large pockets of the US where the best internet people can get is satellite or sometimes theyre still on dial-up.

If we had the infrastructure and systems in place to allow EVERYONE to do vital things online then sure scale back the post office but were not there yet. Even FedEx and UPS route a lot of their stuff through the post office to service more remote areas in a timely fashion. So if you get rid of that it also means those people now have unreliable or no service at all for package delivery too.

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Gosh the ignorance and logic clashing in this topic is amazing.
The USPS is dying and yet it's still the best way to ship something. Why not try to revitalize it? I'm sorry, I mean, why not try to conserve it?

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post office isn't needed anyway
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pedro45 posted...

Gosh the ignorance and logic clashing in this topic is amazing.
The USPS is dying and yet it's still the best way to ship something. Why not try to revitalize it? I'm sorry, I mean, why not try to conserve it?

As noted, it's only dying because of having that utterly ridiculous pension prefunding bullshit. 75 years of pensions...the people who might work for the USPS that far in the future havent even been born yet.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

America is becoming a third-world country when an institution as basic as the U.S. Postal Service is vulnerable to Trump's whims.

That's not how it works.

BUMPED2002 posted...

A major Republican Party fundraiser, Louis DeJoy, was appointed to lead the agency as postmaster general. With cost-cutting policies being instituted, there may be post office closures and slower and less-reliable delivery service.

The USPS is already unreliable.

robbobmur posted...

We no longer need 6 day a week delivery.

Given the volume, I'm not sure how much would actually change.

b_hamnite posted...

He's polling horribly and is now pulling every underhanded trick he can to stay in power.

It may be 2020, but we're still hearing 2016 rhetoric.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

post office isn't needed anyway

Technically they provide infrastructure for other carriers

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Zeus posted...

That's not how it works.

The USPS is already unreliable.

Given the volume, I'm not sure how much would actually change.

It may be 2020, but we're still hearing 2016 rhetoric.

Technically they provide infrastructure for other carriers

Is there anything Trump can do that you won't defend?

If any of you need proof that this country has aspects of third world traits, look at how black women are treated. We're literally a third world country when it comes to black women and they die at staggeringly high rates!

So let's make sure we're all living in the same world/country when it comes to praising or putting down others

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CaptainStrong posted...

Is there anything Trump can do that you won't defend?

Zeus is an unabashed neo-Nazi supporter. So if anything Trump is saying stuff he agrees with more and more.

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