Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 314: USPSBS

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How would you ensure people with no digital access get their mail Corrik? Would you provide everyone with internet and a way to access email as a utility?
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Jakyl25 posted...

How would you ensure people with no digital access get their mail Corrik? Would you provide everyone with internet and a way to access email as a utility?

Everyone should be provided a government supported device who doesn't already have one. Using fingerprint identification for validation and signatures as needed. Things not personal wouldn't require it.

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Corrik7 posted...

Everyone should be provided a government supported device who doesn't already have one. Using fingerprint identification for validation and signatures as needed. Things not personal wouldn't require it.

Free basic internet too?
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Trump says that Biden has gone further left than Bernie Sanders.

And my only thought is that I want to vote for the Biden that Trump imagines.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Trump says that Biden has gone further left than Bernie Sanders.

And my only thought is that I want to vote for the Biden that Trump imagines.

Whats hilarious is that there are NeverTrump republicans trying to paint TRUMP as the dangerously socialist choice
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Jakyl25 posted...

Free basic internet too?

Everyone should have internet yes.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Trump says that Biden has gone further left than Bernie Sanders.

And my only thought is that I want to vote for the Biden that Trump imagines.

Further left than Bernie ever dreamed of lol.

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Whoops, guess I posted this on 550 of the last topic:

https://twitter.com/anitakumar01/status/1292087516292681728?s=21

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Corrik, the point of USPS is not to be profitable, its to provide a universal service. There are rural areas that it would make no sense for a private mail carrier to serve since theyd just lose money; USPS is the only way they can be served.

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Jakyl25 posted...

How would you ensure people with no digital access get their mail Corrik? Would you provide everyone with internet and a way to access email as a utility?

OBAMAPHONES

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik, the point of USPS is not to be profitable, its to provide a universal service. There are rural areas that it would make no sense for a private mail carrier to serve since theyd just lose money; USPS is the only way they can be served.

Point of USPS is correspondence delivery of critical things that Americans need. We have the means to do that digitally now.

Point of the USPS as a service necessary to Americans is not for business delivery. That's just a use of it on top of the service.

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NFUN posted...

OBAMAPHONES

Probably more like some electronic that goes in your house rather than a phone, but yeah.

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At least Corrik acknowledges that its too early for this. Its probably how things will be one day, but for now you would be leaving a lot of the Silent Generation behind if you went all-digital now

Many people the age of Biden, Trump, and older dont know how to use computers or smartphones

Good thing we have Barron on cyber security
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I have zero idea how this stimulus thing pans out now.

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Corrik7 posted...

I have zero idea how this stimulus thing pans out now.

Well, the deadline was... Yesterday.

So who knows.

My guess is they saw we're in the beginning of what will likely be a long downswing with the virus and lost the sense of urgency.

You didn't understand what I was saying what was wrong with your argument. You were using something he was saying was being done wrong to say that it was right. Like, it's common sense.

He never said it was being done wrong before, Corrik. He very succinctly said the government wasn't allowed to send non-First Class mail for any purpose without ever asserting it had ever once been done before. I asserted that the statement was wrong because it is the government wouldn't be openly sending billions of pieces of non-First Class mail if it were true.

If I'm interpreting your moon man logic correctly, you're saying that because you came up with a scenario that both of our statements could be theoretically correct that my argument is flawed. This completely ignores the facts that such a level of blatant and self-reported oversight would be completely impractical and that there would be far larger real-world ramifications than anyone on earth is bringing up because you (perhaps choose to?) lack even a modicum of critical thinking.

It's far, far simpler (and mind you actually true) for either one of our original statements to be incorrect than what you are trying to propose to resolve them both.

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kevwaffles posted...

He never said it was being done wrong before, Corrik. He very succinctly said the government wasn't allowed to send non-First Class mail for any purpose without ever asserting it had ever once been done before. I asserted that the statement was wrong because it is the government wouldn't be openly sending billions of pieces of non-First Class mail if it were true.

If I'm interpreting your moon man logic correctly, you're saying that because you came up with a scenario that both of our statements could be theoretically correct that my argument is flawed. This completely ignores the facts that such a level of blatant and self-reported oversight would be completely impractical and that there would be far larger real-world ramifications than anyone on earth is bringing up because you (perhaps choose to?) lack even a modicum of critical thinking.

It's far, far simpler (and mind you actually true) for either one of our original statements to be incorrect than what you are trying to propose to resolve them both.

He said it wasn't an actual raise in prices for stamps because it was all supposed to be shipped first class and was an oversight.

I would quote it and bold it for you but he deleted the post.

Nevermind it was logged.

"BakusaiTenketsu
08/08/20 1:05:05 PM
#456: Quote

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She's educated me that yesterday's shake up by DeJoy is actually good for the Post Office. Previously, the PMG was only a figurehead, and the structure of the Post Office was a bit archaic. There were 7 Districts within the Post Office, and he is restructuring it to 4 Districts, which is where most of these displaced officials are going. He's removing excessive leadership and simplifying the overall structure.

The increase in stamp cost is something that was supposed to always be in place and was an oversight. Government mail must always be mailed at the first class rate. Also, this is States mailing to voters which increases revenue to the USPS. Voters will have the prepaid envelopes with their ballots and don't pay postage."

You ignored the first sentence and took out the second sentence to attack.

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Corrik7 posted...

He said it wasn't an actual raise in prices for stamps because it was all supposed to be shipped first class and was an oversight.

I would quote it and bold it for you but he deleted the post.

Nevermind it was logged.

"BakusaiTenketsu
08/08/20 1:05:05 PM
#456: Quote

(+) Yeah! (+)

She's educated me that yesterday's shake up by DeJoy is actually good for the Post Office. Previously, the PMG was only a figurehead, and the structure of the Post Office was a bit archaic. There were 7 Districts within the Post Office, and he is restructuring it to 4 Districts, which is where most of these displaced officials are going. He's removing excessive leadership and simplifying the overall structure.

The increase in stamp cost is something that was supposed to always be in place and was an oversight. Government mail must always be mailed at the first class rate. Also, this is States mailing to voters which increases revenue to the USPS. Voters will have the prepaid envelopes with their ballots and don't pay postage."

You ignored the first sentence and took out the second sentence to attack.

You're not only making a pointless yet feebly unsuccessful attempt to move the goalposts in a bafflingly desperate attempt to prove yourself somehow right, it completely ignores the follow-up posts he made after it that doesn't fit into this newfound argument (that to reiterate you yourself never once tried to make before now).

But please, keep digging yourself in deeper for my amusement. I want to see how deep this rabbit hole can go.

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kevwaffles posted...

You're not only making a pointless yet feebly unsuccessful attempt to move the goalposts in a bafflingly desperate attempt to prove yourself somehow right, it completely ignores the follow-up posts he made after it that doesn't fit into this newfound argument (that to reiterate you yourself never once tried to make before now).

But please, keep digging yourself in deeper for my amusement. I want to see how deep this rabbit hole can go.

Literally the same argument since post 1. You are a real piece of work lol. Not wasting my time anymore.

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Oh no guys! Corrik loled at me! Clearly I have been defeated on this day!

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Don't manually quote Corrik please. Use the system.

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Cool. So anyways surprised you guys aren't talking about the executive orders more.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Don't manually quote Corrik please. Use the system.

If you're referring to my first post itt, it's because it was from the last topic and I couldn't quote it. If there is a way to quote from closed topics, please let me know.

I hope you're not seriously concerned about the shitpost I just made.
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It was the former. Had no way of knowing, my bad.

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Corrik7 posted...

Cool. So anyways surprised you guys aren't talking about the executive orders more.

"Cmon guys, let's change the subject as soon as possible for no reason!"
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UshiromiyaEva posted...

It was the former. Had no way of knowing, my bad.

All good
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/china-coronavirus-nationalize-america-owned-car-company

Wtf?

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So I am definitely voting for Biden now and probably pulling my 401k cuz I have literally zero financial reliability and understanding of what is even going on anymore. Shit is fucking stupid.

My state alrdy is withholding unemployment insurance by almost 3% for lack of funds. Now they want states to fund 25% of this. Which surely sounds illegal to force them to do, which I get it basically them saying do it or you won't the the federal money. But like wtf is even going on at this point.

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How exactly will this tax holiday even work? I havent had a chance to read much and the couple of sites I did were pretty brief on details.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

How exactly will this tax holiday even work? I havent had a chance to read much and the couple of sites I did were pretty brief on details.

So, basically...

Payroll taxes (seems like all 7.65%) is DEFERRED from August 1st til the end of the year.

If he is re-elected, he will make the tax cut permanent, and it will not be repaid. If he is not re-elected and it made not to be repaid, then it will be owed back next year.

Of course, making that tax cut permanent means no social security or Medicare... So uh... But I believe he means the August 1st to end of year part would be permanant and not be repaid.


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Now for the unemployment. That would be $400 a week extra til December 6th. (Yay Christmas). But, states are required to pay 25% of it themself. So it is really $300 from the federal government, but if they don't kick in their part... I think you get nothing federally due to the 25% requirement.

Which making states pay the extra when states are broke and cutting UE back (PA is taking 2.4% out of checks now due to low funds)...

So uh...


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The eviction moratorium I believe only applies to federal housing cuz I don't think he has authority over non federal.

Of the 4 bills only the housing one was labeled as an executive order. The other 3 were labeled as memorandums. 2 of them were ordered to be put in the Federal Register as Executive Orders go. 1 wasn't. The unemployment boost extension.

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Corrik7 posted...

If he is re-elected, he will make the tax cut permanent, and it will not be repaid. If he is not re-elected and it made not to be repaid, then it will be owed back next year.

Lol he's full of shit

Either he can do it now, or he's not gonna be able to do it then (unless the GOP also takes back the House, which I believe is quite unlikely to happen even with a narrow Trump win).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Lol he's full of shit

Either he can do it now, or he's not gonna be able to do it then (unless the GOP also takes back the House, which I believe is quite unlikely to happen even with a narrow Trump win).

It's the hook on it for re-election. But why would anyone want to not pay it if it might be repaid.

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Corrik7 posted...

I would quote it and bold it for you but he deleted the post.

I deleted it because my wife asked me not to list her job title in the post. She was worried I might drag her into something that might get her in trouble.

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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

I deleted it because my wife asked me not to list her job title in the post. She was worried I might drag her into something that might get her in trouble.

I realized that after i quoted it so I edited it out.


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Suprak the Stud posted...

How exactly will this tax holiday even work? I havent had a chance to read much and the couple of sites I did were pretty brief on details.

As far as I can tell, it's just a deferment and the taxes will still be owed in April (So basically the same shit that was pulled in 2017 with fucking up the withholdings to make peoples' paychecks appear larger in the immediate term).

What a fucking mess. The non governance party is truly awful at governing

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Tbf, this is (currently) solely on Trump. Theoretically it's not impossible for Republicans to grow a spine on this one.

I mean they probably won't, but still.

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kevwaffles posted...

Tbf, this is (currently) solely on Trump

Didn't this EO entirely come about because the Republican-controlled Senate refused to consider, let alone pass, any bills on the issue?

Damn are the Democrats screwed.

Republicans are going to get rid of Medicare and social security funding in the guise of lowering taxes, and Democrats are going to look like obstructionists during a pandemic for opposing

You'd think people would see through it, but i don't believe in logical thought anymore

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Corrik7 posted...

So I am definitely voting for Biden now and probably pulling my 401k cuz I have literally zero financial reliability and understanding of what is even going on anymore. Shit is fucking stupid.

My state alrdy is withholding unemployment insurance by almost 3% for lack of funds. Now they want states to fund 25% of this. Which surely sounds illegal to force them to do, which I get it basically them saying do it or you won't the the federal money. But like wtf is even going on at this point.

I feel like they are basically doing whatever they think will get the reaction they want and not thinking about consequences or long term issues.

Combine with China and Russia no longer feeling worried about how the US will respond to their actions and you get this.

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banananor posted...

Republicans are going to get rid of Medicare and social security funding in the guise of lowering taxes, and Democrats are going to look like obstructionists during a pandemic for opposing

If history teaches us anything, obstructionists are rewarded.

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Reg posted...

Didn't this EO entirely come about because the Republican-controlled Senate refused to consider, let alone pass, any bills on the issue?

Well, McConnell has straight up said that there's 20 senators in the GOP Senate caucus who believe no further action is needed and will vote no on any further relief. So yeah.

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xp1337 posted...

Well, McConnell has straight up said that there's 20 senators in the GOP Senate caucus who believe no further action is needed and will vote no on any further relief. So yeah.

Oh, I must've missed that in all the other bullshit flying around.

Regardless, that doesn't change that you can't just lay this shit at Donald Trump's feet.

Okay now executive order the second stimulus check for people under a certain income

xp1337 posted...

Well, McConnell has straight up said that there's 20 senators in the GOP Senate caucus who believe no further action is needed and will vote no on any further relief. So yeah.

They dont need them though!
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Jakyl25 posted...

They dont need them though!

Yeah, but McConnell basically said that and nope'd out of the negotiations saying it would be between the WH and Pelosi/Schumer (you know, after spending weeks acting like some tough guy saying the House bill was DOA and the relief package would come from his desk.)

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Anyway, trying to read up on these EOs (actually not EOs. Only one EO and 3 memoranda) and... it sounds like it's nothing?

https://twitter.com/BharatRamamurti/status/1292239279251501056

Evictions one doesn't actually create an eviction moratorium; it asks federal agencies to see if they can maybe do something about evictions.

Payroll is a deferral so either employers continue to withhold so you don't see a difference, or they don't and it will all get withheld at year's end.

Unemployment Insurance the $400 is $300 from the federal government (FEMA's disaster relief fund which "cool" during a hurricane season) and expecting the states to pick up the tab on the other $100. However, as I was saying earlier when we were talking about USPS... states are going broke and the GOP refuses to help them so I have no idea how the fuck they could manage to afford even that 25% tab. And even if they did, that FEMA fund probably can't last that long before it gets depleted/cut off. (1-2 months seems to be the estimate I'm seeing from WaPo, others)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/08/trump-executive-order-coronavirus

WaPo reports that unemployment experts are noting doesn't actually increase federal unemployment benefits at all, "but rather create a new program that could take 'months' to set up."

And this, of course, is all before even considering the almost certainly unconstitutional power grab these represent in just bypassing Congress and making the Executive more of a king who just issues decrees. Hell, Trump even called them "bills" when they obviously are not.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/08/trump-just-admitted-live-television-he-will-terminate-social-security-and-medicare

Hey maybe Trump can lose Florida.

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Reg posted...

Oh, I must've missed that in all the other bullshit flying around.

Regardless, that doesn't change that you can't just lay this shit at Donald Trump's feet.

You can absolutely lay a bad EO in and of itself on the POTUS's feet, sort of by essence of what an EO is. What led to him deciding to do it in the first place is a different matter entirely, but to the best of my knowledge no one was specifically asking he do this.

We could always go full galaxy brain bs logic and blame every action of this entire presidency on Obama roasting Trump at a dinner that one time, but I prefer to not to let people pass the blame for their actions to whoever they can (which is Trump's general defense mechanism for literally everything).

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