Board 8 > Rocksteady's next game is Suicide Squad

(+) Yeah! (+)

Seems like a bit of a whimper of a way to reveal, unless I missed something.

https://twitter.com/RocksteadyGames/status/1291720790447136768?s=19

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can I play as Will Smith

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This had leaked a few months ago.

A bit underwhelming as a concept but sure.

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Hey it's a new Rocksteady superhero game, I'm down

Surely it will be better than that horribly underwhelming Avengers game we're getting

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I trust Rocksteady will make it a good game...I just don't particularly care for the suicide squad.

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ninkendo posted...

can I play as Margot Robbie

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I guess the big question is 'which version of Suicide Squad?'

If they're returning to the Arkhamverse, great- the spinoff animated film Assault on Arkham was basically a Suicide Squad movie before the Suicide Squad movie, so they could just work around that.

If there's anything DCEU related other than maybe Harley looking a bit like Margot Robbie, it'll be a bad start.
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Suicide Squad is whatever but hunting Superman sounds interesting. Asymmetrical online game mode anyone?

4 Suicide Squad members versus 1 Superhero sounds like an awesome game.

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The potential of a Suicide Squad's versatility as created by Rocksteady has me pretty excited.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Seems like a bit of a whimper of a way to reveal, unless I missed something.

https://twitter.com/RocksteadyGames/status/1291720790447136768?s=19

There's some WB gaming event happening later this month where we should get more info and at least a trailer. This is probably a tease reveal meant to hype the event itself.

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This is a very weird way to even tease a game that's been hotly rumored for roughly five years now. (Though I suppose the rumors that far back were about the WB Montreal project that got scrapped. This Rocksteady SS game's probably been in development for shorter.)

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Current rumor is that it's a game as a service type game with online co-op. So basically DC's answer to Marvel's Avengers game is a Suicide Squad game?

They know they could use the Justice League instead right?

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They probably specifically didn't use the Justice League in order to keep powers more limited.

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skullbone posted...

Current rumor is that it's a game as a service type game with online co-op. So basically DC's answer to Marvel's Avengers game is a Suicide Squad game?

They know they could use the Justice League instead right?

Is that a game they have to have an answer for?

Basically everyone agrees it looks like shit.

I don't think I've seen a huge release with less hype in years.

Anyways I hope not, because it would evaporate any interest I have in the game whatsoever. So over this service game crap.

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Hey look it's the worst kept secret in the industry for two years running.

Wet fart of an announcement IMO due to that.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Is that a game they have to have an answer for?

Basically everyone agrees it looks like shit.

I don't think I've seen a huge release with less hype in years.

Anyways I hope not, because it would evaporate any interest I have in the game whatsoever. So over this service game crap.

People gave up on it because the character models were dumb in the first trailer but I think it actually looks good now. The internet loves to shit on something and then never change their mind about it.

But I'm not out to convince anyone

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I'm glad that it's sticking to the Rocksteady wheelhouse. Low-power is the right way to go.

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skullbone posted...

People gave up on it because the character models were dumb in the first trailer but I think it actually looks good now. The internet loves to shit on something and then never change their mind about it.

This is true in most cases, but looking at all the beta footage of the game it's basically just a hyped up version of Ultimate Alliance with way less characters.

Which is fine if you love those games, but I sure don't. Need a little more with my gameplay than just beating up faceless mooks for hours.

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Literally all anyone needs to see about the Avengers game is this picture



I'm not sure I can think of a more clear-cut example of a potentially super cool thing being utterly ruined by industry trends and money-chasing.

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I have no doubt that game is gonna be Anthem 2.0.

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Xiahou Shake posted...

I'm not sure I can think of a more clear-cut example of a potentially super cool thing being utterly ruined by industry trends and money-chasing.

Uhh what am I missing here? Yes that's a piece of gear in an ARPG...?

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Yeah I'm not seeing anything here that hasn't been in RPGs for ages, please explain

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Few things are further from the core appeal of a super hero action game to me than a gear system (not even narratively coherent for most of the characters in the game) that involves managing at least seven difference resources. This game should have been about punching and blowing up bad guys but instead they wanted to be the next Destiny and now we have this complete mess of menus with numbers barfed all over the screen with micro-transactions, gated character exclusives and just about everything else that could be wrong with a current AAA game.

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Yeah someone plz explain to me who is doing surgery on the Hulk to switch out his bones for stronger bones

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I absolutely welcome customization and progression in a game like this. Nothing gets older faster than just "Select a character and punch things." That kind of thing is cool for like an hour but that's about it.

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I mean you can go play MUA3 if you want a game like that. Or you can play one of the other dozens of superhero games released in the last 10 years. I'm personally excited for a superhero game with a gear system that's a little deeper than surface level.

I used to play Marvel Heroes which was a diablo clone with Marvel characters and I probably sunk about 500-1000 hours into that. Some of us like grinding these games out.

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bring on the bronze tiger

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Having all this gear doesn't mean anyhing if it doesn't actually change how your character looks.

It's just numbers for numbers sake. Lame as hell.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Having all this gear doesn't mean anyhing if it doesn't actually change how your character looks.

It's just numbers for numbers sake. Lame as hell.

Yeah I think I'd rather use real costumes from the comics instead of a weird hodgepodge gear system like Injustice 2.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Having all this gear doesn't mean anyhing if it doesn't actually change how your character looks.

It's just numbers for numbers sake. Lame as hell.

Do you not like leveling up in a traditional RPG and getting stat boosts that are just numbers for numbers sake?

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StealThisSheen posted...

I absolutely welcome customization and progression in a game like this. Nothing gets older faster than just "Select a character and punch things." That kind of thing is cool for like an hour but that's about it.

It's still a matter of "select a character and punch things." The customization doesn't change that, just increases your numbers so the things you punch can die a little faster.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Do you not like leveling up in a traditional RPG and getting stat boosts that are just numbers for numbers sake?

Regular RPGs aren't live service games where your running the same content in the same environments constantly over hundreds of hours.

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CassandraCain posted...

It's still a matter of "select a character and punch things." The customization doesn't change that, just increases your numbers so the things you punch can die a little faster.

ARPGs:

https://i.imgur.com/sRaEtcG.jpeg

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CassandraCain posted...

It's still a matter of "select a character and punch things." The customization doesn't change that, just increases your numbers so the things you punch can die a little faster.

I mean you can say that about literally any game ever.

"The newer Paper Mario games are fine because experience and leveling doesn't change anything, it just increases your numbers so things die quicker."

It's a bad argument.

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Yeah you could say that about every game I guess, but it's not actually accurate. Dark Souls is an ARPG that requires skill and strategy and exploration, not just punching monsters and progressing to the next room where you punch more enemies.

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The Paper Mario argument comes from the idea that the game is disincentivizing you from at all engaging with its combat system - rather different.

Leveling and number boosting can work in more straightforward RPGs where numbers are literally the whole game, but in ARPGs there's a level of player engagement that just has those numbers draped over a much more involved experience. So you need to be very careful in balancing how those two conflicting ideas - "leveling up" your own skill as a player and literally leveling up your avatar strength - intersect.

Gear systems of this nature have historically proven to be the absolute worst implementation of this that more often than not come off as a gross, grindy (and potentially exploitative) system stapled to a game that would have been stronger without any of it. Like, you could literally take the exact same structure shown in that screenshot and plug it into literally any setting. There's nothing remotely "Avengers" about such a system - to the contrary, it actually conflicts with the setting and its characters! I just can't be excited for something that was so clearly developed by a corporate playbook with no apparent interest in actually making a game about its source material.

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We should really come up with a new term for Diablo style loot grinders because yeah it's an ARPG and yeah Dark Souls is technically an ARPG but they're very different games.

If someone were to ask me my list of favorite ARPGs the first thing that comes to mind is "mindless loot grind" like Path of Exile or Diablo. Destiny is a mindless loot grinder also but would you call that an ARPG? Probably not

So when I say ARPG I'm specifically talking about loot grind games of which this new Avengers game appears to be.

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