Current Events > American conservatives embrace fascism

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As we see what's going on in Portland and across the nation, can anyone tell me why I shouldn't consider this to be the unmasking of American conservatism?

Of the conservatives who have anything to say about unmarked federal agents violating states' and individuals' rights by grabbing people off the streets, detaining them, tear gassing them and shooting them, they seem to unanimously support it. They take glee in it. This is what they think should happen to their political and cultural enemies to keep them in line. They don't care about civil rights, human rights, or small government as long as the bad things are happening to the right people.

And those that aren't actively cheering on the American secret police are utterly silent or deflect to Antifa or BLM or Biden.

People were called hyperbolic for suggesting that Trump and the Republican Party were exhibiting fascistic and anti-democratic tendencies, but now it's "fascism is good actually, so long as those white leftists get it"

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They always have. They are just open about it now as opposed to keeping it under their klan robes.

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Trump has always been a fascist without actual power. Now that he's figured out that there are no consequences to what he does, he's ramping up his game.

I'm a Republican and I don't support people being taken into unmarked cars by Trump's secret police. I support the constitution and the founding fathers vision for America.

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Pepys Monster posted...

I support the constitution and the founding fathers vision for America.

I take it you're not actually a Trump supporter then?

Crono99 posted...

According to one of the most prominent experts on fascism, Trump isn't exactly a fascist. More like a plutocrat.

This is a good read:

https://harpers.org/archive/2017/05/american-duce/

Perhaps, but:



I honestly dont see an argument for Trump not having checked every single one of these boxes at this point.

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Crono99 posted...

According to one of the most prominent experts on fascism, Trump isn't exactly a fascist. More like a plutocrat.

This is a good read:

https://harpers.org/archive/2017/05/american-duce/

A lot of things have happened since 2017
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You can't riot or burn down buildings

Truly this is fascism

Pepys Monster posted...

I'm a Republican and I don't support people being taken into unmarked cars by Trump's secret police. I support the constitution and the founding fathers vision for America.

That's genuinely a good thing. But you seem to be in the extreme minority here. It's telling that a party that incessantly talks about freedom and liberty, that walks around with Gadsden flags, that frequently talks about tyranny and unaccountable power, about free speech, about bearing arms to prevent tyranny, and a out states rights isn't absolutely losing their minds about this like they did with Obamacare for example.

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coh posted...

You can't riot or burn down buildings

Truly this is fascism

And....secret police disappearing people into unmarked vans?

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This is definitely worth listening to. It's a reading of a Michael Parenti essay on fascism in America. It was written in 1996 during the Clinton administration but still very relevant to 2020.

I'd especially recommend this to liberals who think that US fascism is only a Trump thing and that everything will be ok if a Democrat is elected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6QTSnJbFs
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coh posted...

You can't riot or burn down buildings

Truly this is fascism

So your position is that these people deserve unmarked federal agents brutalizing them and detaining them? Even though many if not most did nothing wrong, as evidenced by them being let go once they request a lawyer and refuse to waive their rights?

How is this different from exactly what I said conservatives' revealed beliefs are?

Secret police is a fundamentally illegitimate response to domestic unrest under any circumstances, but especially unrest provoked by unjust police actions..

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We really should be better and just ignore stupid shit Coh, and his ilk post.

they arent here for discussion and you wont change their mind. They get a hard on for abuse of power so let them just shout at the clouds.

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a-c-a-b posted...

This is definitely worth listening to. It's a reading of a Michael Parenti essay on fascism in America. It was written in 1996 during the Clinton administration but still very relevant to 2020.

I'd especially recommend this to liberals who think that US fascism is only a Trump thing and that everything will be ok if a Democrat is elected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6QTSnJbFs

Wow, that's an incredibly eerie description of exactly what's happening right now, especially the part about the complicity of centrists and the threat coming from the security state and anti-democratic efforts to maintain the status quo by the people already in power, rather than random skinheads.

It's incredibly important that people understand what fascism is and what it does. It's not all about death camps because Italy itself didn't even have those. It's about the open wielding of power to maintain a political, economic, and cultural elite, the scapegoating of the left, immigrants, minorities, feminists, all the usual suspects, and the open use of suppression against these groups. All of which is happening as we speak. It's always been happening, but now they're doing it even when people are paying attention and identifying exactly what's happening. And conservatives and centrists are defending those openly fascistic actions for what they are, rather simply ignoring them or never learning about them.

There's no getting off this train if we keep going past this checkpoint. We won't be able to put this genie back in the bottle and President Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do much worse than this, much more effectively.

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coh posted...

You can't riot or burn down buildings

Truly this is fascism

You werent always like this. Pretty sad.

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Crono99 posted...

Yes, and that list was actually written by the very same guy who wrote the article I posted...

Ah, interesting.

The person who linked me to it said it was on a plaque at the Holocaust Museum. Turns out I got duped and it was apparently actually just sold in the gift shop of the museum at one point:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

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I guess TC didnt notice the burning buildings, looting, threats of violence against police on twitter from the left. Then you have rioters, sorry, "protesters" throwing bottles at police who were not provoking them at all.

Yea, none of that happened. Oh wait...

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Samaxe posted...

I guess TC didnt notice the burning buildings, looting, threats of violence against police on twitter and in person from the left. Then you have rioters, sorry, "protesters" throwing bottles at police who were not provoking them at all.

Yea, none of that happened. Oh wait...

someone only gets their "news" from fb, fox, and oann lol

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IllegalAlien posted...

someone only gets their "news" from fb, fox, and oann lol

Yea, quite sad. The police are the ones getting attacked and the protesters (not all) are committing literal felonies, and are surprised when they get arrested.

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Samaxe posted...

I guess TC didnt notice the burning buildings, looting, threats of violence against police on twitter and in person from the left. Then you have rioters, sorry, "protesters" throwing bottles at police who were not provoking them at all.

Yea, none of that happened. Oh wait...

Can you tell my why the valid response to any of that, all provoked by police violating people's rights....is secret police violating people's rights? You can't just state what the side you don't like did, you have to explain why you focus on that and not the government responding by sending secret police to attack and round people up, regardless of whether they did anything wrong or not.

Only one side here is setting a precedent of openly violating your constitutional rights, and for some reason, you have nothing to say about that, and instead focus on others.

You are again not saying that you oppose fascism, you're saying that these people deserve fascism. Am I wrong?

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Theyve always been for it. American conservatism has always been about violence against everyone but your own tribe

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Samaxe posted...

Yea, quite sad. The police are the ones getting attacked and the protesters (not all) are committing literal felonies, and are surprised when they get arrested.

come back to the grown up table when you have 1000 more karma

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Pepys Monster posted...

I'm a Republican and I don't support people being taken into unmarked cars by Trump's secret police. I support the constitution and the founding fathers vision for America.

Are you in favor of gun control? See the problem is that how and what you and other Republicans interpret to be the constitution and the founding fathers vision for America is what leads us to this point. I know you don't support it, but it's not a matter of liking or wanting it or not, it's a matter of understanding what it takes to not have it.

But crushing protests is good because otherwise some people might riot... oh shit crushing protests is making people angrier!

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