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MrMallard 07/13/20 1:28:15 PM #1:	Even after getting hooked on the show for a while, I don't know how I felt about it. I think the writing hit its peak in season 4. Season 1 scratched the surface of the emotional heart of the episode, season 2 had some of the show's most iconic moments but I don't know how I feel about the Secretariat payoff, season 3 had a weak first half with Jill Pill and Cuddlywhiskers... but the second half of season 3 is where the show started to really climb, and season 4 carried on that momentum imo. The last half of season 3 and the entirety of season 4 had my favorite moments in it. Sara Lynn's death is one of the darkest moments of the show, I love how Todd was revealed to be asexual, Princess Caroline and Ralph's relationship was one of my favorite parts of the show, the second episode of season 4 might be the best episode of the show, and while I'm divided on Hollyhock's involvement in the show, the twist about her lineage was pretty hype. I also thought that Mr Peanutbutter and Diane's divorce was well deserved, and I think the head it built up to was one of the better notes for the season to go out on. Season 4 also had some moments that I didn't like. Mr Peanutbutter's ex-wives were some of my least favourite characters in the show, and even for Bojack Horseman the ski race for the governorship of California was silly and over the top. The whole governorship arc felt pointless, and then it just resolves with no fanfare or stakes. I think it was the start of the show's writing going south. I respect the point of season 5, in that it's trying to portray a nuanced picture of celebrity abuse stories, and I respect the show making a point about the normalisation of shitty behavior through popular media. But I feel like this is where I started to not like the show as much. I didn't think the Henry Fondle subplot was funny, I wasn't big on the drug addiction storyline and the violence that Bojack enacts near the end of the season felt like a bit too much, even with the shitty things he's done. Bojack and Diane's fight about Sara Lynn feels kind of wrong all round, with Bojack's specific type of nastiness and Diane going as hard as she did on Sara Lynn's death - it just didn't sit well. And I think Flip is the worst character that the show ever had, hands down. Season 6 had some of the show's beat episodes. The first episode, with the stars in a bottle, was an excellent start to the season, and as the first half went on I thought that maybe Bojack could turn it all around and be a better person. But the second half was rough to watch. I almost feel like the characters should have been more disgusted after he tells them about what he did to Sara Lynn, but maybe it was his reluctance to elaborate and the restrained disgust that Diane and Princess Caroline show towards him that make that episode as effective as it was. But it's the circumstances leading up to Bojack's second interview, and everything with Sara Lynn's mother, and the investigative journalists who have the most annoying gimmick ever - that kind of torpedo the show for me. Season 5 and 6 lean heavily on season 2 and 3 for their stories - they rely so heavily on moments that made the show iconic in the first place. Bojack never took responsibility for what happened with Penny, and Sara Lynn's death was his lowest moment. But Sara Lynn's mother is shown as a self-absorbed nutjob who exploited her daughter since childhood, pursuing Bojack for a payday, and Bojack being blindsided by the New Mexico stuff in an interview doesn't feel like him taking responsibility and being held accountable either - it feels like a footnote to worsen the severity of a larger accusation. It doesn't help that we don't see Penny and/or Charlotte at all after the interview, so we don't know if Bojack being taken to task gave them closure in the end. At the end of the day, Bojack did exploit his power. It's important to see him take responsibility, and maybe seeing how flippantly he regards his accountability for another 30 minutes of attention should have clued me in that in the end, as long as he can get off scot free and get some good press out of it, it doesn't affect him that much. Maybe that was the point of S6, part two. Bojack can put all that behind him, because he was the person who did bad thig to others, as opposed to someone who had bad things happen to him at the hands of another person. That doesn't mean he was never a victim, and it's hard to recover from childhood abuse, but that doesn't excuse horrible things you do as an adult. I dunno. I think the show got really heady at the end there, and I don't know what to think of it. Like, Bojack is an abuser to multiple people, implicitly or explicitly, but the show does focus on Bojack and his emotional peaks and dips. When the other shoe drops regarding Penny in season 6, the focus is still on Bojack and how it hurts him to be confronted by it as someone who perpetuated it, rather than on depicting its effect on Penny as a victim. We've seen Bojack get sober, we've seen him reform - the show has specifically focused on that. And while it does cut back to Penny and Charlotte, it doesn't tell us how they feel in the wake of the allegation coming to light. I don't know how I feel about that. And I don't know how I feel about the later season stuff about Sara Lynn's death. Bojack Horseman was a good show, and while I respect that its latter seasons tried to make a more hardline stance about people like Bojack in response to people using him as an enabler for their own toxicity, I don't know if I can reconcile the show's ethics with its narrative. I'm happy Bojack lived, for what it's worth, and I'm glad the core cast all seem like they're going to be okay - with or without each other. But I don't know if my time with the show was ultimately worthwhile. Like even when I was fully invested in the show, there were episodes that would totally sour my mood. I would be trying to put a positive spring in my step some days, and after an episode or two of the show, I would feel emotionally drained. I think my time with the show might have even been a net negative. I don't know. It was a wild ride. --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942055596] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>Even after getting hooked on the show for a while, I don't know how I felt about it. I think the writing hit its peak in season 4. Season 1 scratched the surface of the emotional heart of the episode, season 2 had some of the show's most iconic moments but I don't know how I feel about the Secretariat payoff, season 3 had a weak first half with Jill Pill and Cuddlywhiskers... but the second half of season 3 is where the show started to really climb, and season 4 carried on that momentum imo. The last half of season 3 and the entirety of season 4 had my favorite moments in it. Sara Lynn's death is one of the darkest moments of the show, I love how Todd was revealed to be asexual, Princess Caroline and Ralph's relationship was one of my favorite parts of the show, the second episode of season 4 might be the best episode of the show, and while I'm divided on Hollyhock's involvement in the show, the twist about her lineage was pretty hype. I also thought that Mr Peanutbutter and Diane's divorce was well deserved, and I think the head it built up to was one of the better notes for the season to go out on. Season 4 also had some moments that I didn't like. Mr Peanutbutter's ex-wives were some of my least favourite characters in the show, and even for Bojack Horseman the ski race for the governorship of California was silly and over the top. The whole governorship arc felt pointless, and then it just resolves with no fanfare or stakes. I think it was the start of the show's writing going south. I respect the point of season 5, in that it's trying to portray a nuanced picture of celebrity abuse stories, and I respect the show making a point about the normalisation of shitty behavior through popular media. But I feel like this is where I started to not like the show as much. I didn't think the Henry Fondle subplot was funny, I wasn't big on the drug addiction storyline and the violence that Bojack enacts near the end of the season felt like a bit too much, even with the shitty things he's done. Bojack and Diane's fight about Sara Lynn feels kind of wrong all round, with Bojack's specific type of nastiness and Diane going as hard as she did on Sara Lynn's death - it just didn't sit well. And I think Flip is the worst character that the show ever had, hands down. Season 6 had some of the show's beat episodes. The first episode, with the stars in a bottle, was an excellent start to the season, and as the first half went on I thought that maybe Bojack could turn it all around and be a better person. But the second half was rough to watch. I almost feel like the characters should have been more disgusted after he tells them about what he did to Sara Lynn, but maybe it was his reluctance to elaborate and the restrained disgust that Diane and Princess Caroline show towards him that make that episode as effective as it was. But it's the circumstances leading up to Bojack's second interview, and everything with Sara Lynn's mother, and the investigative journalists who have the most annoying gimmick ever - that kind of torpedo the show for me. Season 5 and 6 lean heavily on season 2 and 3 for their stories - they rely so heavily on moments that made the show iconic in the first place. Bojack never took responsibility for what happened with Penny, and Sara Lynn's death was his lowest moment. But Sara Lynn's mother is shown as a self-absorbed nutjob who exploited her daughter since childhood, pursuing Bojack for a payday, and Bojack being blindsided by the New Mexico stuff in an interview doesn't feel like him taking responsibility and being held accountable either - it feels like a footnote to worsen the severity of a larger accusation. It doesn't help that we don't see Penny and/or Charlotte at all after the interview, so we don't know if Bojack being taken to task gave them closure in the end. At the end of the day, Bojack did exploit his power. It's important to see him take responsibility, and maybe seeing how flippantly he regards his accountability for another 30 minutes of attention should have clued me in that in the end, as long as he can get off scot free and get some good press out of it, it doesn't affect him that much. Maybe that was the point of S6, part two. Bojack can put all that behind him, because he was the person who did bad thig to others, as opposed to someone who had bad things happen to him at the hands of another person. That doesn't mean he was never a victim, and it's hard to recover from childhood abuse, but that doesn't excuse horrible things you do as an adult. I dunno. I think the show got really heady at the end there, and I don't know what to think of it. Like, Bojack is an abuser to multiple people, implicitly or explicitly, but the show does focus on Bojack and his emotional peaks and dips. When the other shoe drops regarding Penny in season 6, the focus is still on Bojack and how it hurts him to be confronted by it as someone who perpetuated it, rather than on depicting its effect on Penny as a victim. We've seen Bojack get sober, we've seen him reform - the show has specifically focused on that. And while it does cut back to Penny and Charlotte, it doesn't tell us how they feel in the wake of the allegation coming to light. I don't know how I feel about that. And I don't know how I feel about the later season stuff about Sara Lynn's death. Bojack Horseman was a good show, and while I respect that its latter seasons tried to make a more hardline stance about people like Bojack in response to people using him as an enabler for their own toxicity, I don't know if I can reconcile the show's ethics with its narrative. I'm happy Bojack lived, for what it's worth, and I'm glad the core cast all seem like they're going to be okay - with or without each other. But I don't know if my time with the show was ultimately worthwhile. Like even when I was fully invested in the show, there were episodes that would totally sour my mood. I would be trying to put a positive spring in my step some days, and after an episode or two of the show, I would feel emotionally drained. I think my time with the show might have even been a net negative. I don't know. It was a wild ride. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/15/20 2:58:35 AM #2:	How did you feel about the show? --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942130571] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>How did you feel about the show? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 07/15/20 3:02:03 AM #3:	i liked it --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:942130631] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>i liked it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 07/15/20 3:06:46 AM #4:	Never watched it, I think Im taking your advice (?) and am never going to --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:942130715] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>Never watched it, I think Im taking your advice (?) and am never going to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
No_U_L7 07/15/20 3:12:00 AM #5:	i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season sounds like they wanted bojack in prison for half a season and then the last half would be his redemption final arc instead it got rushed and we got what we got. i don't mind any of what happened, but they def left way too many storylines underdeveloped or left hanging --- https://imgur.com/QPgN9 <cite>No_U_L7 posted [p:942130809] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season sounds like they wanted bojack in prison for half a season and then the last half would be his redemption final arc instead it got rushed and we got what we got. i don't mind any of what happened, but they def left way too many storylines underdeveloped or left hanging</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 07/15/20 3:15:28 AM #6:	Sorry the show wasn't Rick and Morty enough for you to like it --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:942130871] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>Sorry the show wasn't Rick and Morty enough for you to like it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabin017 07/15/20 3:15:46 AM #7:	The show is generally at its best when it reveals its hand at the end of some seasons, usually taking you for an unpredictable ride. It's also interesting how the characters treat the fractures in their lives, for better or worse. My favorite episode is the underwater one. --- https://imgur.com/TWsfIIj <cite>sabin017 posted [p:942130880] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>The show is generally at its best when it reveals its hand at the end of some seasons, usually taking you for an unpredictable ride. It's also interesting how the characters treat the fractures in their lives, for better or worse. My favorite episode is the underwater one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Endgame 07/15/20 3:18:47 AM #8:	It's a great show. But it's depressing as fuck. But depressing enough to accurately get the point across of how Hollywood destroys people. --- I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for my right to fight you to the death. -Stephen Colbert <cite>Endgame posted [p:942130930] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>It's a great show. But it's depressing as fuck. But depressing enough to accurately get the point across of how Hollywood destroys people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 07/15/20 3:34:24 AM #9:	sabin017 posted... My favorite episode is the underwater one. This. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:942131179] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>sabin017 posted...</cite> <quote>My favorite episode is the underwater one.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/15/20 6:31:03 AM #10:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... Sorry the show wasn't Rick and Morty enough for you to like it Well, that's rude. I just thought the writing started to suffer around season 5, and I don't know how to take the last season. I liked the show, but in hindsight I think it ended on kind of a weak note. Excellent penultimate episode, and the season started off strong, but by virtue of its cancellation as opposed to coming to a natural end I think the last season suffered a bit. Don't even talk to me if you're not familiar with Moral Orel, son. Rick and Morty my ass. ~~although I did really enjoy season 4 after season 3 was kind of a letdown~~ R1masher posted... Never watched it, I think Im taking your advice (?) and am never going to Honestly, if you were gonna watch the show, I would recommend watching any of the episodes that has a score higher than 9.5 on IMDB - of which the show has multiple. That, or start with season 3. But that's only if you don't care too much about the wider narrative. No_U_L7 posted... i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season sounds like they wanted bojack in prison for half a season and then the last half would be his redemption final arc instead it got rushed and we got what we got. i don't mind any of what happened, but they def left way too many storylines underdeveloped or left hanging I read about this, they got an extra 4 episodes to expand the season but apparently season 6 was already in the can when the decision came down. At least we got the second last episode out of it, that shit was phenomenal. sabin017 posted... The show is generally at its best when it reveals its hand at the end of some seasons, usually taking you for an unpredictable ride. It's also interesting how the characters treat the fractures in their lives, for better or worse. My favorite episode is the underwater one. Absolutely. The highlight of season 4 - which was already packed with pretty great episodes - was the episode which revealed all the stuff about Hollyhock. I think season 4 was the last season that really nailed those "concept" episodes, and that other shoe dropping at the end of the season. Season 5 felt like a step too far, and season 6 kind of ended in a flaccid note I felt like. I keep gushing about it, but the second last episode of the entire show was such a banger. I also really liked Stupid Piece of Shit and That's Too Much, Man!. --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942133480] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry the show wasn't Rick and Morty enough for you to like it</quote>Well, that's rude. I just thought the writing started to suffer around season 5, and I don't know how to take the last season. I liked the show, but in hindsight I think it ended on kind of a weak note. Excellent penultimate episode, and the season started off strong, but by virtue of its cancellation as opposed to coming to a natural end I think the last season suffered a bit. Don't even talk to me if you're not familiar with Moral Orel, son. Rick and Morty my ass. although I did really enjoy season 4 after season 3 was kind of a letdown R1masher posted... </cite> <quote>Never watched it, I think Im taking your advice (?) and am never going to</quote> Honestly, if you were gonna watch the show, I would recommend watching any of the episodes that has a score higher than 9.5 on IMDB - of which the show has multiple. That, or start with season 3. But that's only if you don't care too much about the wider narrative. No_U_L7 posted... </cite> <quote>i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season sounds like they wanted bojack in prison for half a season and then the last half would be his redemption final arc instead it got rushed and we got what we got. i don't mind any of what happened, but they def left way too many storylines underdeveloped or left hanging</quote> I read about this, they got an extra 4 episodes to expand the season but apparently season 6 was already in the can when the decision came down. At least we got the second last episode out of it, that shit was phenomenal. sabin017 posted... </cite> <quote>The show is generally at its best when it reveals its hand at the end of some seasons, usually taking you for an unpredictable ride. It's also interesting how the characters treat the fractures in their lives, for better or worse. My favorite episode is the underwater one.</quote> Absolutely. The highlight of season 4 - which was already packed with pretty great episodes - was the episode which revealed all the stuff about Hollyhock. I think season 4 was the last season that really nailed those "concept" episodes, and that other shoe dropping at the end of the season. Season 5 felt like a step too far, and season 6 kind of ended in a flaccid note I felt like. I keep gushing about it, but the second last episode of the entire show was such a banger. I also really liked Stupid Piece of Shit and That's Too Much, Man!. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 07/15/20 6:39:41 AM #11:	No_U_L7 posted... i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season this imo but i thought that the finale was perfect, it was so fitting --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:942133584] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>No_U_L7 posted... </cite> <quote>i think they really didn't anticipate this being the last season and really rushed things, expecting 1 more season</quote>this imo but i thought that the finale was perfect, it was so fitting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fan357 07/15/20 6:56:37 AM #12:	How could you possible recommend starting at season 3? Important things happen in 1 and 2. The whole show flows together. Im surprised you didnt like season 5 as much. 4 and 5 are my favorite. Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off. --- Never forget where you came from. <cite>fan357 posted [p:942133834] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>How could you possible recommend starting at season 3? Important things happen in 1 and 2. The whole show flows together. Im surprised you didnt like season 5 as much. 4 and 5 are my favorite. Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 07/15/20 7:42:18 AM #13:	fan357 posted... How could you possible recommend starting at season 3? Important things happen in 1 and 2. The whole show flows together. Im surprised you didnt like season 5 as much. 4 and 5 are my favorite. Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off. Dude wasn't interested in watching the show, so I made a suggestion. Season 5 wasn't entirely bad, and Free Churro was a good episode. But I hated Flip, I wasn't too hot on the opioid storyline, and there was a solid stretch of three gimmick episodes in a row. One of those gimmick episodes was Free Churro, sure, but to go from a drawn out monologue episode to INT.SUB with its wacky character design reimaginings to a four-way flashback episode about Mr Peanutbutter's ex-wives - it felt like it was too much. INT.SUB is probably my least favourite gimmick episode of the series - I like the storyline, but the names and the designs got really, really old. And two of my other least favourite characters in the series are Katrina and Jessica Biel, so Mr Peanutbutter's Boos coming off the tail end of the prior two gimmick episodes felt like way too much. Bojack does good concept episodes, but three in a row really started to wear on me - if any other season of the show had extended stretches of unique concept episodes back to back like this, I didn't notice it enough to care. And outside of Free Churro - which in itself is a bit of an endurance test, artistry be damned - neither of the two following episodes were particularly remarkable. INT.SUB had a tired framing device and its gimmick was annoying after a while, and Mr Peanutbutter's Boos focused on some of my least favourite characters in the show. It doesn't seem like much, but that's a quarter of the entire season that just doesn't gel together that well, and it's on top of Bojack's opioid rage being one of my least favourite storylines in the show and Flip being my least favourite character in the show. It wasn't a bad season of television, but I preferred season 4 and the worst aspects of season 5 brought it down. --- Are you proud to be a Mayonnaise American? <cite>MrMallard posted [p:942134577] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>fan357 posted... </cite> <quote>How could you possible recommend starting at season 3? Important things happen in 1 and 2. The whole show flows together. Im surprised you didnt like season 5 as much. 4 and 5 are my favorite. Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off.</quote> Dude wasn't interested in watching the show, so I made a suggestion. Season 5 wasn't entirely bad, and Free Churro was a good episode. But I hated Flip, I wasn't too hot on the opioid storyline, and there was a solid stretch of three gimmick episodes in a row. One of those gimmick episodes was Free Churro, sure, but to go from a drawn out monologue episode to INT.SUB with its wacky character design reimaginings to a four-way flashback episode about Mr Peanutbutter's ex-wives - it felt like it was too much. INT.SUB is probably my least favourite gimmick episode of the series - I like the storyline, but the names and the designs got really, really old. And two of my other least favourite characters in the series are Katrina and Jessica Biel, so Mr Peanutbutter's Boos coming off the tail end of the prior two gimmick episodes felt like way too much. Bojack does good concept episodes, but three in a row really started to wear on me - if any other season of the show had extended stretches of unique concept episodes back to back like this, I didn't notice it enough to care. And outside of Free Churro - which in itself is a bit of an endurance test, artistry be damned - neither of the two following episodes were particularly remarkable. INT.SUB had a tired framing device and its gimmick was annoying after a while, and Mr Peanutbutter's Boos focused on some of my least favourite characters in the show. It doesn't seem like much, but that's a quarter of the entire season that just doesn't gel together that well, and it's on top of Bojack's opioid rage being one of my least favourite storylines in the show and Flip being my least favourite character in the show. It wasn't a bad season of television, but I preferred season 4 and the worst aspects of season 5 brought it down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlazinBlue88 07/15/20 7:45:56 AM #14:	MrMallard posted... Don't even talk to me if you're not familiar with Moral Orel, son. More people need to be familiar with it. Incredible show. fan357 posted... Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off. Same. I still go back to watch that one episode often. It hits hard every single time. --- https://imgur.com/R15aJJ3 https://imgur.com/NJqp6LS <cite>BlazinBlue88 posted [p:942134632] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>MrMallard posted... </cite> <quote>Don't even talk to me if you're not familiar with Moral Orel, son.</quote>More people need to be familiar with it. Incredible show. fan357 posted... </cite> <quote>Best episode overall for me is Free Churro. Will Arnett after his ass off.</quote>Same. I still go back to watch that one episode often. It hits hard every single time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drrobotniks 07/15/20 7:47:26 AM #15:	BlazinBlue88 posted... More people need to be familiar with it. Incredible show. "It's time to drink your dinner" "uh, don't you mean eat?" pants fall down <cite>Drrobotniks posted [p:942134657] in Just finis... [t:78843948]...</cite> <quote>BlazinBlue88 posted... </cite> <quote>More people need to be familiar with it. Incredible show.</quote>"It's time to drink your dinner" "uh, don't you mean eat?" pants fall down </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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