Current Events > Looks like the $600 unemployment benefits won't be extended

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https://twitter.com/CNBCMakeIt/status/1281624996738215936?s=19

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No shit. President Dump already told us the virus is over and that he isnt changing his mind.

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People making more than they were pre covid was always dumb af

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What's a good way to invest small time into real estate if the renting market collapses? Just REITs?

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Yikes. I hope they transfer that to make to stimulus checks monthly then. Or a lot of people are fucked at end of month.

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yep everyone can just get fucked and/or die

$3,000 stimulus checks for everyone

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this will do a lot of damage to people

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I run a restaurant and have been begging servers to come back. Assistant managers as well. This isn't Subway either, it's a high end steak house where the servers make more than I do some weeks.

All I hear is, "I got that Covid money. I'll com back when that's over". Let that run out.

Shit is about to hit the fan so hard in the next two months that I'm still wondering if this shit fest is just a bad dream.

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Northlane posted...

People making more than they were pre covid was always dumb af

Yeah, its almost like people should be able to work for a livable wage, but I guess we cant have that in the wealthiest country in the world.

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lord0fmud posted...

I run a restaurant and have been begging servers to come back. Assistant managers as well. This isn't Subway either, it's a high end steak house where the servers make more than I do some weeks.

All I hear is, "I got that Covid money. I'll com back when that's over". Let that run out.

Yeah you are full of shit because that's not how unemployment insurance works.

Now for the grownups in the room, this will do more damage to the economy than anything else. When you have this many people unemployed the only thing that has been keeping people able to spend (which is how the US economy works, on endless consumer spending) is that extra $600. When that is gone and these people lose upwards of 2/3s of their weekly income, that means nothing is getting bought, which will crash the actual consumer economy. In Missouri the max you can draw on unemployment is 320 bucks. After taxes that's around 230 I believe. You ain't paying rent on that, let alone buying anything to keep the consumer economy going, and a ton of states have an ever lower maximum.

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Lorthremar posted...

this will do a lot of damage to people

Yes, people get used to hand outs then dont know how to take care of themselves afterwards. Which is why state parks have a strict dont feed most animals policy, same principle

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lord0fmud posted...

I run a restaurant and have been begging servers to come back. Assistant managers as well. This isn't Subway either, it's a high end steak house where the servers make more than I do some weeks.

All I hear is, "I got that Covid money. I'll com back when that's over". Let that run out.

thats a nice lie. reality is to stay on unemployment you have to show you're actively looking for new employment, so if your former employer comes back to you and asks you to return to your job and you say no you'll end up losing your unemployment...

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lord0fmud posted...

I run a restaurant and have been begging servers to come back. Assistant managers as well. This isn't Subway either, it's a high end steak house where the servers make more than I do some weeks.

All I hear is, "I got that Covid money. I'll com back when that's over". Let that run out.

Man, you're looking at this all wrong. You shouldn't even be open, and you should be blaming your conservative politicians for putting you in this bind. Your servers are understandably looking out for themselves, because when the fuck has a job ever put its workers first. They don't want to get sick with a virus, especially without sick pay and health insurance.

Don't get mad at the systems keeping them safe, get mad at the system pitting you against each other.

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Oh please say that means less unemployment cases so the DLIR wont need to borrow our receptionist anymore. It ridiculously difficult to work at half staff <_<

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monkmith posted...

thats a nice lie. reality is to stay on unemployment you have to show you're actively looking for new employment, so if your former employer comes back to you and asks you to return to your job and you say no you'll end up losing your unemployment...

Not true with the stimulus unemployment. You do not have to show that you are actively looking for a job

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monkmith posted...

thats a nice lie. reality is to stay on unemployment you have to show you're actively looking for new employment, so if your former employer comes back to you and asks you to return to your job and you say no you'll end up losing your unemployment...

That's state dependent, job dependent, and also really hard to audit while unemployment offices are slammed like they are.

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Our government is insane.

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EnragedSlith posted...

That's state dependent, job dependent, and also really hard to audit while unemployment offices are slammed like they are.

not when your former boss reports you out of spite. or when, down the line after this shit is all cleared up, the state finally gets through its backlog and realizes you gamed the system and sends you a huge fucking bill.

WashYourHands posted...

Not true with the stimulus unemployment. You do not have to show that you are actively looking for a job

are you mixing up the federal unemployment supplemental benefits with the stimulus checks?

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ApoorHollow posted...

Yes, people get used to hand outs then dont know how to take care of themselves afterwards. Which is why state parks have a strict dont feed most animals policy, same principle

this isn't very good bait fyi, you need to be more subtle or else people won't take it

just a friendly tip :>)

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WashYourHands posted...

Not true with the stimulus unemployment. You do not have to show that you are actively looking for a job

It's waived in most states, but being called to return is much different than looking.

EnragedSlith posted...

That's state dependent, job dependent, and also really hard to audit while unemployment offices are slammed like they are.

Not really. Unless the employer is on your side, they will report it and you'll get hit.

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WashYourHands posted...

Not true with the stimulus unemployment. You do not have to show that you are actively looking for a job

Actually it does, as of July unless you are drawing it for a furlough or temporary layoff you have to actively be looking for a job and reporting your weekly work searches. Originally they weren't doing that because they wanted people to be able to immediately return to their positions when it opened back up rather than people finding new jobs while they were laid off and fucking up a business reopening and forcing them find a new person for that position.

@monkmith No, he's not confusing them, he just doesn't know what he's talking about.


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monkmith posted...

not when your former boss reports you out of spite. or when, down the line after this shit is all cleared up, the state finally gets through its backlog and realizes you gamed the system and sends you a huge fucking bill.

There would be a massive political backlash if they tried billing people who were too scared to work. It won't happen. Especially not with the gigantic mismanagement of billions of taxpayer dollars, going to all sorts of wealthy people who will never even get a scolding.

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WashYourHands posted...

Not true with the stimulus unemployment. You do not have to show that you are actively looking for a job

No but you are not eligible for ANY unemployment benefits, stimulus or otherwise, if you have turned down any reasonable offer of employment. And you have to certify weekly that you have not turned down such an offer. So either this guy runs a fancy steakhouse where every single one of his employees is committing unemployment fraud... OR. He's full of shit.

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I read it will for Certain States, this shouldn't be for every state

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MrToothHasYou posted...

No but you are not eligible for ANY unemployment benefits, stimulus or otherwise, if you have turned down any reasonable offer of employment. And you have to certify weekly that you have not turned down such an offer. So either this guy runs a fancy steakhouse where every single one of his employees is committing unemployment fraud... OR. He's full of shit.

Bro they can turn that off, they don't have to give you anything, the fact they do after you Certify SHOW
they CARE about people. If is 200, that person can try to spread that out and survive a few days

This is the reason we are not in The 1920s style Depression full of people dying left and right, if none of this existed during this Pandenmic

Many would of die, the amazing great people handing out FOOD instantly fast to people in need, is still soo amazing to see

imagine of that existing?, people out here care alot about each other.

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This is about to be a very dark time for a lot of Americans. People are just being left to rot. Everyone who's about to be made homeless should camp out in front of their city hall, state capitol, Congressional buildings, and the Whitehouse.

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Is it true some people were earning 900-1000+ a week with the unemployment after making 300-400 a week at their jobs?

Thats what I kept hearing. People were making 1k to stay home while grocery store workers had to go to work for less.

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Northlane posted...

People making more than they were pre covid was always dumb af

No, that says more about how shitty jobs are here

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MrToothHasYou posted...

No but you are not eligible for ANY unemployment benefits, stimulus or otherwise, if you have turned down any reasonable offer of employment. And you have to certify weekly that you have not turned down such an offer. So either this guy runs a fancy steakhouse where every single one of his employees is committing unemployment fraud... OR. He's full of shit.

It's not fraud and there's no reason to have a melty over it. Workers not wanting to die for shit pay aren't going to be penalized for drawing from a stimulus that was designed to keep them at home. The resources needed to audit hundreds of thousands of cases and prove that there was intent to abuse the system, not to mention the political backlash behind it, it will never happen.

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EnragedSlith posted...

There would be a massive political backlash if they tried billing people who were too scared to work. It won't happen. Especially not with the gigantic mismanagement of billions of taxpayer dollars, going to all sorts of wealthy people who will never even get a scolding.

they'd gleefully frame it as scam artist gaming the system and denying someone more deserving of the money access and bill them anyway. its not like they've not already billed people for accidentally overpaying them after all.

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Its almost like unemployment across the country has 50 different sets of rules/laws

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So for the people who have hate sorry. It's true.

In Ohio you do NOT have to show you are looking for work.

Also in Ohio, if you are called back to work by your employer and you refuse you can report that. If however the employee says they fear for their health and family health the state let's them stay on unemployment. I'm in separate need of servers and a good portion laughs and says, try in August. I'll need money then.

EnragedSlith posted...

It's not fraud and there's no reason to have a melty over it. Workers not wanting to die for shit pay aren't going to be penalized for drawing from a stimulus that was designed to keep them at home. The resources needed to audit hundreds of thousands of cases and prove that there was intent to abuse the system, not to mention the political backlash behind it, it will never happen.

Exactly, that idiot thinks that our Tax dollars being handed out

when it is CARE ACT Trillions of funds still out there to help many sector

SBA gave out 1000 for free for just inquirying for a Loan, if you got many workers....they all get 1000


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Joeydollaz posted...

Bro they can turn that off, they don't have to give you anything, the fact they do after you Certify SHOW
they CARE about people. If is 200, that person can try to spread that out and survive a few days

This is the reason we are not in The 1920s style Depression full of people dying left and right, if none of this existed during this Pandenmic

Many would of die, the amazing great people handing out FOOD instantly fast to people in need, is still soo amazing to see

imagine of that existing?, people out here care alot about each other.

... What

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EnragedSlith posted...

It's not fraud and there's no reason to have a melty over it. Workers not wanting to die for shit pay aren't going to be penalized for drawing from a stimulus that was designed to keep them at home. The resources needed to audit hundreds of thousands of cases and prove that there was intent to abuse the system, not to mention the political backlash behind it, it will never happen.

that's complete and utter horse shit. first, its pretty much the definition of fraud. second, its not stimulus payments. and third, they're already auditing cases and there's been no "political backlash".

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EnragedSlith posted...

There would be a massive political backlash if they tried billing people who were too scared to work. It won't happen. Especially not with the gigantic mismanagement of billions of taxpayer dollars, going to all sorts of wealthy people who will never even get a scolding.

This is not true. People have already started getting overpayment notices even though the state's DOL fucked up. In NY, a bunch of people called in and their benefits were increased to the max $504 about a month ago. Now they're getting letters saying the DOL overpaid so they won't be getting payments unless it's paid off.

EnragedSlith posted...

It's not fraud and there's no reason to have a melty over it. Workers not wanting to die for shit pay aren't going to be penalized for drawing from a stimulus that was designed to keep them at home. The resources needed to audit hundreds of thousands of cases and prove that there was intent to abuse the system, not to mention the political backlash behind it, it will never happen.

Dude, why are you giving false hope? The government always gets their shit. They can take their time too.


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in Kansas for the pandemic unemployment program you don't have to show that you're looking for work

archedsoul posted...

This is not true. People have already started getting overpayment notices even though the state's DOL fucked up. In NY, a bunch of people called in and their benefits were increased to the max $504 about a month ago. Now they're getting letters saying the DOL overpaid so they won't be getting payments unless it's paid off.

Dude, why are you giving false hope? The government always gets their shit. They can take their time too.

Yep, Missouri has started doing the same.

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lord0fmud posted...

So for the people who have hate sorry. It's true.

In Ohio you do NOT have to show you are looking for work.

Also in Ohio, if you are called back to work by your employer and you refuse you can report that. If however the employee says they fear for their health and family health the state let's them stay on unemployment. I'm in separate need of servers and a good portion laughs and says, try in August. I'll need money then.

Don't make it seem like they are giving out 1000 every week

is at most close to 200, the cares act added 600 which don't show up in UI form

all 50 states will make their own decisions.

I see NYC-CALI extending it for 6 months, since those were hit dramatically.


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monkmith posted...

they'd gleefully frame it as scam artist gaming the system and denying someone more deserving of the money access and bill them anyway. its not like they've not already billed people for accidentally overpaying them after all.

I dont think you realize what a chaotic mess theyve created with conflicting rules and the sheer backlog they have to work through. There is enough reasonable justification for people staying on unemployment during a trying time that it would be impossible to prove intent to commit fraud outside of egregious cases like not reporting income. And speaking of hospitality, theres enough reasonable justification that the job youd be returning to wouldnt be remotely equivalent to what youd been fired from. Direct your anger at the people responsible for the debacle and atrocious working conditions in this country, not poor workers trying to stay safe.

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Good. Get back to work.

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lord0fmud posted...

So for the people who have hate sorry. It's true.

In Ohio you do NOT have to show you are looking for work.

Also in Ohio, if you are called back to work by your employer and you refuse you can report that. If however the employee says they fear for their health and family health the state let's them stay on unemployment. I'm in separate need of servers and a good portion laughs and says, try in August. I'll need money then.

Why wouldn't they laugh at your pitiful offer?

"Hey, do you want to give up the good payment you're getting now to come work in an environment where your chances of contracting coronavirus will absolutely skyrocket?"

And before you retort with how well you clean your restaurant: it does not matter. Your customers will be eating and talking, masks off, and spraying their droplets everywhere. It is IMPOSSIBLE for waiters, bus boys, hosts, etc. to not be exposed in this environment.

I understand that you probably feel forced to be open. Your anger should be directed at your government, not at your poor employees who don't want to die alone, hooked up to a ventilator, and leave their families with a 100k medical bill.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yep, Missouri has started doing the same.

You do realize their is a FAKE umployment for poor people right?, do you???

they deserve to get that until March 2021 latest

we can't have a full blown Depression

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Joeydollaz posted...

You do realize their is a FAKE umployment for poor people right?, do you???

they deserve to get that until March 2021 latest

we can't have a full blown Depression

Can you repeat this in a coherent fashion if you have a point you would like me to address?

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Good

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REMercsChamp posted...

Good. Get back to work.

Die for the Blood God.

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It should come to an end even though it personally doesnt benefit me now. I fully took advantage of the unemployment benefits; I went from working 50-55 hr weeks and after-taxes pocketing $700/week to making $864/week to not work. I felt bad for my coworkers that didnt get fired/furloughed because they had to make up for the lack of coworkers.

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