Current Events > Reminder: Elizabeth Warren is a piece of shit

(+) Yeah! (+)

You're welcome for this reminder

Yeah, naw.

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Better than Hillary!

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nope

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i voted for her twice for senate
won't happen a 3rd time

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reminder: you feel the need to troll a dying message board with a 9-year old alt

i hope your day improves

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Bananana posted...

reminder: you feel the need to troll a dying message board with a 9-year old alt

i hope your day improves

whose alt is dis?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewarren/status/1281042446483361793

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewarren/status/1281011104857174017?p=p

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewarren/status/1280963076259491841

Nah, she cool.
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Neoliberal DNC plant running exclusively just to derail Sanders's campaign
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I honestly had to look her up I forgot about her.

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Jabodie posted...

Better than Hillary!

But Hillary!

Spooking posted...

She pretends to be progressive, but goes neolib whenever possible. Why not just be a neolib since they are more popular and welcomed?

Because pretending to be progressive holds a line and divides the progressive vote up so that people like Sanders dont get elected
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

Neoliberal DNC plant running exclusively just to derail Sanders's campaign

Even if you add up Warren and Bernie votes (assuming incorrectly that they would all go to Bernie) its still not enough to beat Bidens support.

friendly reminder

People who view Bernie as the only true Progressive (tm) are a cancer to the progressive movement, tbh.

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Reminder: all criticism of warren not directly related to the democratic presidential primary campaign is republican misinformation based on the idea that a lie repeated often enough by a large enough botnet is more believable than the truth

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Even if you add up Warren and Bernie votes (assuming incorrectly that they would all go to Bernie) its still not enough to beat Bidens support.

friendly reminder

tfw when you realize Warren said enough outlandish things to deter moderate democrats away

tfw when progressives werent enough to support bernie but apparently were enough to let hillary lose
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She thinks it's okay to spoil a TV episode if it's a day later

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Warren's worst quality is that she has a tendency to wade right into controversies that she isn't adequately prepared to deal with
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

tfw when progressives werent enough to support bernie but apparently were enough to let hillary lose

progressives showed up and voted for hillary. there just were also a fair number of people who voted sanders because of the decades-long propaganda campaign designed to slime hillary--people who were not likely voting sanders in the general if he were the nominee either.

and by 'a fair number' i mean 'less than in previous elections, but still more than trump's tiny margins of victory in the winner take all battlegrounds'

https://www.washingtonpost.com./news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/

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Sackgurl posted...

decades-long propaganda campaign designed to slime hillary--people who were not likely voting sanders in the general if he were the nominee either.

you mean her fucking record?
like her horrific and highly destructive tenure as SoS?

i mean i know liberals don't care about the lives of the brown people we destroy in south america and the middle east, but still
in fact they join hands with conservatives to help fuck up the rest of the world

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politics isn't sports teams lol

I don't know Elizibeth Warren obviously so I could be wrong, but it's very unlikely that she is secretly masquerading to destroy the hero Bernie Sanders. It is much more likely that her beliefs differ from both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, and are somewhere in the middle of those two

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Damn_Underscore posted...

politics isn't sports teams lol

I don't know Elizibeth Warren obviously so I could be wrong, but it's very unlikely that she is secretly masquerading to destroy the hero Bernie Sanders. It is much more likely that her beliefs differ from both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, and are somewhere in the middle of those two

I don't see how sports teams have anything to do with the fact that the people with power in the DNC like to hold grudges and are corrupted enough to do anything to maintain their personal interests and wealth.
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The sports teams analogy is

Let's say you were deciding to be a fan of the Green Bay Packers or the New England Patriots. You can't say, "well, I like that the Packers have more historical success, better uniforms, and are owned by the fans, but I like that the Patriots have more recent success and play in a bigger market". You either pick one team or the other, and live with all aspects of that team.

It doesn't work like that in politics. Basically every person in the US is going to have slightly different political views from everyone else (maybe it's not that diverse, but it's close enough), but instead of agreeing to disagree some people think you have to agree on everything or you aren't part of a certain group. It's absurd thinking.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

The sports teams analogy is

Let's say you were deciding to be a fan of the Green Bay Packers or the New England Patriots. You can't say, "well, I like that the Packers have more historical success, better uniforms, and are owned by the fans, but I like that the Patriots have more recent success and play in a bigger market". You either pick one team or the other, and live with all aspects of that team.

It doesn't work like that in politics. Basically every person in the US is going to have slightly different political views from everyone else (maybe it's not that diverse, but it's close enough), but instead of agreeing to disagree some people think you have to agree on everything or you aren't part of a certain group. It's absurd thinking.

what does any of this have to do with anything I've said
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That Bernie Sanders isn't the one person in the DNC free of corruption, trying to be the hero while he's being screwed over by the corrupt ones. There is in fact a different explanation to what's going on.

The idolization of Bernie Sanders is weird BTW.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Even if you add up Warren and Bernie votes (assuming incorrectly that they would all go to Bernie) its still not enough to beat Bidens support.

friendly reminder

Friendly reminder, Biden recieved less than 50% of votes on super tuesday

reminder biden only recieved 8.3% of votes in New Hampshire and 13.7% in iowa before Obama got the people siphoning off votes from Biden to drop out

reminder the only states biden got a majority in were democratic strong hold states of Alabama, Virginia, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and Florida

For those counting, that's a bunch of red states and Michigan. Only after Bernie stopped his campaign for Covid did Biden start taking blue states with a majority like Oregon.

reminder warren+bernie got more votes than biden in California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Vermont, North Dakota, and Washington.

now start hammering refresh your twitter feed so you find something to be offended by.

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SevenTenths posted...

Friendly reminder, Biden recieved less than 50% of votes on super tuesday

reminder biden only recieved 8.3% of votes in New Hampshire and 13.7% in iowa before Obama got the people siphoning off votes from Biden to drop out

reminder the only stated biden got a majority were democratic strong hold states of Alabama, Virgina, Michigan, Mississipi, Missouri, and Florida

For those counting, that's a bunch of red states and Michigan. Only after Bernie stopped his campaign for Covid did Biden start taking blue states with a majority like Oregon.

reminder warren+bernie got more votes than biden in California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Vermont, North Dakatoa, and Washington.

now start hammering refresh your twitter feed so you find something to be offended by.

Damn, DESTROYED!!! Epic DESTRUCTION!!!

Paper_Okami posted...

you mean her fucking record?
like her horrific and highly destructive tenure as SoS?

i mean i know liberals don't care about the lives of the brown people we destroy in south america and the middle east, but still
in fact they join hands with conservatives to help fuck up the rest of the world

no i mean this

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/hillary-vs-the-hate-machine-how-clinton-became-a-vessel-for-americas-fury-103997/

The outrage stoked by Clintons 1992 comment about her decision, as the first lady of Arkansas, to not simply stay home and bake cookies and have teas, but to continue her work as an attorney, reflected the larger split on the subject of working women in America. Some heard her statement as a feminist cri de coeur, others as an attack on traditional motherhood. Most women do not wish to be liberated from their essential natures as women, the vice presidents wife, Marilyn Quayle, said at the 1992 Republican National Convention.

With remarkable alacrity, Hillary-hating, as historian Henry Louis Gates wrote in The New Yorker, became one of those national pastimes which unite both the elite and the lumpen. Writers like David Brock, then at the right-wing American Spectator which depicted Clinton as a witch on one of its most successful covers (and referred to her as the Lady Macbeth of Little Rock) and talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh coalesced into what Hillary would later call a vast right-wing conspiracy. The New York Times William Safire wrote that she was both a congenital liar and a vindictive political power player. Elsewhere she was derided as a selfish, untrustworthy, incompetent, ball-breaking bitch, a closet lesbian and a terrible mother. Brock, who underwent a liberal conversion in 1997 and is now a pro-Clinton strategist, recalls standing in the hallway at the American Spectator, looking at various cover stories with the magazines publisher, and he says something like, Can we find some more women to attack, because these Hillary covers are really working.

Also forgotten, notes former Texas state legislator Wendy Davis, is that Clintons decision to attend the 1995 U.N. Conference on Women in Beijing was radical at the time. The talk shows said she didnt have the right as first lady to get involved in diplomacy, says Davis. But she went, and she spoke in a very forceful way that womens rights are human rights, and human rights are womens rights. It was a deeply held commitment that shes exhibited throughout her public career.

These acts, which reflected Clintons pragmatic idealism, were cast as a symbol of either her incompetence or her supposed entitlement. This tactic of inverting a persons greatest strength until it becomes, somehow, their weakness, was perfected by men like Roger Ailes and Karl Rove in the Swift boating of John Kerry in 2004. Kerry is a legitimate war hero. So what did they attack him for?

That he wasnt a war hero, says Heather Booth, a progressive organizer who worked on the campaign for Clintons health care bill. Barack Obama, similarly, was a symbol of a new, more egalitarian America, and the so-called birther movement shed doubt on his even being American. Hillary Clinton, in my personal estimation, is a genuine, honest, warm, caring person, says Booth. So what was the strategy? To take it and slam her on it and say shes not warm, shes not caring, shes dishonest, shes inauthentic. And if you keep repeating it, finally what people learn and remember is the negative things that were said even though theres no factual basis for believing them.

it is well established, in general, that republican attack strategy involves presenting a complex issue as a soundbyte that is generally false, but easily repeated--and then to repeat it over and over and exhaust those seeking the truth

it was against hillary that they developed the experience needed with this strategy to use it on others.

they did so long before she had any elected power. they did it to fight her senate campaign. and of course they did it at great length over every perceived scandal during her tenure as SoS. the facts of the benghazi case, for example, have been so muddled by republican repeat lying that you're much more likely to know the GOP narrative than the truth.

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SevenTenths posted...

Friendly reminder, Biden recieved less than 50% of votes on super tuesday

reminder biden only recieved 8.3% of votes in New Hampshire and 13.7% in iowa before Obama got the people siphoning off votes from Biden to drop out

reminder the only states biden got a majority in were democratic strong hold states of Alabama, Virginia, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and Florida

For those counting, that's a bunch of red states and Michigan. Only after Bernie stopped his campaign for Covid did Biden start taking blue states with a majority like Oregon.

reminder warren+bernie got more votes than biden in California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Vermont, North Dakota, and Washington.

now start hammering refresh your twitter feed so you find something to be offended by.

/topic

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There's a lot of vague politics ITT.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

Because pretending to be progressive holds a line and divides the progressive vote up so that people like Sanders dont get elected

This is some serious misogynistic tinfoil bullshit and Im tired of hearing it. Warren working with her political party does not make her evil; she literally espouses and advocates for a ton of issues you care about in a way that informs millions and keeps them relevant. She is at the forefront of the wave of progressive politics influencing the party, but you want to fucking cry like a spoiled brat because sHE tOoK vOTeS frOM BeRnie!

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Sackgurl posted...

no i mean this

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/hillary-vs-the-hate-machine-how-clinton-became-a-vessel-for-americas-fury-103997/

it is well established, in general, that republican attack strategy involves presenting a complex issue as a soundbyte that is generally false, but easily repeated--and then to repeat it over and over and exhaust those seeking the truth

it was against hillary that they developed the experience needed with this strategy to use it on others.

they did so long before she had any elected power. they did it to fight her senate campaign. and of course they did it at great length over every perceived scandal during her tenure as SoS. the facts of the benghazi case, for example, have been so muddled by republican repeat lying that you're much more likely to know the GOP narrative than the truth.

Thank you.

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Sackgurl posted...

and of course they did it at great length over every perceived scandal during her tenure as SoS. the facts of the benghazi case, for example, have been so muddled by republican repeat lying that you're much more likely to know the GOP narrative than the truth.

Did Hillary not say the TPP was the Gold Standard?
The Washington Post disagrees.

Fact Check: Clinton did call TPP the gold standard
TRUMP: You called it the gold standard of trade deals. You said its the finest deal youve ever seen.
CLINTON: No.
TRUMP: And then you heard what I said about it, and all of a sudden you were against it.
CLINTON: Well, Donald, I know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. The facts are I did say I hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated.
THE FACT CHECKER | Trump is right. Clinton is subtly adjusting her words here when confronted with a question about her consistency on policy positions.
But the fact is she never used the word hoped. Instead, she was more declarative, using the phrase gold standard when she was Secretary of State.
This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field, she said in Australia in 2012. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the worlds total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.

From the Horse's own mouth.

Now shut up.

SevenTenths posted...

reminder the only states biden got a majority in were democratic strong hold states of Alabama, Virginia, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and Florida

For those counting, that's a bunch of red states and Michigan.

How are Florida and Virginia red states?

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Biden won more blue states on super tuesday than Bernie did lol

it's hard to put into words how delusional toast is

Damn_Underscore posted...

How are Florida and Virginia red states?

Because outside of Obama they have overwhelmingly been red since Johnson. Florida has a stronger case since they at least went blue for Carter. But that's what 4 blue to 10 or 11 red. Michigan in the same period was blue 7 times.

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HiddenRoar posted...

Did Hillary not say the TPP was the Gold Standard?
The Washington Post disagrees.

Fact Check: Clinton did call TPP the gold standard
TRUMP: You called it the gold standard of trade deals. You said its the finest deal youve ever seen.
CLINTON: No.
TRUMP: And then you heard what I said about it, and all of a sudden you were against it.
CLINTON: Well, Donald, I know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. The facts are I did say I hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated.
THE FACT CHECKER | Trump is right. Clinton is subtly adjusting her words here when confronted with a question about her consistency on policy positions.
But the fact is she never used the word hoped. Instead, she was more declarative, using the phrase gold standard when she was Secretary of State.
This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field, she said in Australia in 2012. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the worlds total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.

From the Horse's own mouth.

Now shut up.

So now we trust The Washington Post and fact-checkers?

Disclaimer; not saying what you posted is a lie or anything, honestly don't care. Just want to make sure that we're now trusting fact-checkers and whatnot.
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I Like Toast posted...

Because outside of Obama they have overwhelmingly been red since Johnson.

Hillary won Virginia by 5 points. Biden is up by 11 points.

Your post seriously need one of those fact check things twitter puts on Trumps tweets. Almost impossible to be wrong as often as you are.

I Like Toast posted...

Because outside of Obama they have overwhelmingly been red since Johnson. Florida has a stronger case since they at least went blue for Carter. But that's what 4 blue to 10 or 11 red. Michigan in the same period was blue 7 times.

Looking at the states in the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s when only Minnesota was never a red state is a terrible metric.

Florida has been the ultimate swing state since 2000 (or really since the Clinton era). Virginia has sharply shifted to being a blue state in the last decade or so.

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EnragedSlith posted...

This is some serious misogynistic tinfoil bulls*** and Im tired of hearing it

what the fuck is misogynist about dividing the progressive base, whether it's true or not?

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he also didnt post the wapo article he cherrypicked it from

here's the whole thing. trump's playbook was as i described above; amongst his many dishonest tactics was an honest one. it is telling that hiddenroar diverted to an entirely untouched point in order to attempt to get me to shut up

but i have to ask him: do you really think anyone believes that the TPP exchange is typical of republican talking points? do you even believe that yourself? or were you just hoping we wouldn't discuss the rest of that debate?

https://tinyurl.com/y7pybedp

added a period so people can pass the paywall

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never forget

From 1968 to 2004, Virginia voted for the Republican Party candidate. Then, in the 2008 and 2012 elections, the state voted for the Democratic Party. The same trend continued in the 2016presidential elections.

I Like Toast posted...

Because outside of Obama they have overwhelmingly been red since Johnson.

you should read an entire post before you start responding. You've yet to make a single post that actually reflects what was written.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Looking at the states in the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s when only Minnesota was never a red state is a terrible metric.

"I don't like your facts so let me move the goalpost, we need to use a narrower set of data so it's more accurate!!" ~ said someone who doesn't like when reality doesn't fit his false perception.

and even using your "only since 2000", they went red everytime but obama and e-gads, florida voted for hillary in that democratic primary. Though in typical DNC fashion, those delegates from florida didn't get to count anyway because florida dared to have their primary before Iowa. THough at least in that case the DNC worked against democracy to ensure we did get the better candidate of Obama. Even if he failed to be that hope and change he campaigned on.

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Oh shit you got me, your intelligence is unmatched.

Edit: because you pointed out Florida specifically, in 2016 Florida voted for Trump by a 1.20% margin and voted for Bush in 2000 by a 0.01% margin. It is not worth anyone's time debating you if you are going to claim Florida isn't a swing state.

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SevenTenths posted...

and even using your "only since 2000", they went red everytime but obama

You were literally just told that Virginia went blue in 2016 by a large margin. And that Biden is up by double digits there.

Better than Hillary, Biden, and Trump.
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