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Muscles
07/08/20 1:12:25 PM
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I would probably say 2 or 3

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Mead
07/08/20 1:13:23 PM
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just wow

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LB1
07/08/20 1:14:03 PM
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It's at or near the bottom of first world countries
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I_Always_Die
07/08/20 2:00:26 PM
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its a shit hole with a terrible justice system

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Extreme_light
07/08/20 2:13:12 PM
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Improvements sorely needed. I'm not just talking about race and leadership. I mean everything. Infrastructure, eduation, the whole shabang.

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teddy241
07/08/20 2:20:50 PM
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civil war II: Electric Boogaloo
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Z6980
07/08/20 2:35:00 PM
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If it weren't for our Constitution, America wouldn't be what it is today. The main problem stems from not following it. For instance, George Floyd wouldn't have been killed if the police followed the 4th Amendment, No discrimination, AND the 5th Amendment, The right of due process. We need to do a better job.
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wwinterj25
07/08/20 2:38:03 PM
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It's a place I'd want to visit one day.

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PPPPLAASSUMA
07/08/20 2:39:36 PM
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I hate my country right now.

I think in the distant future our only export will be entertainment. And prob corn.

Growing up American i learned about the American revolution every single year in grade school. The revolution, civil War and wwi/ii in every single year of middle school. In high school my required history classes had me learning about the american revolution, the Civil War, world wars, Korea, and Vietnam. Each time. Two credits of history iirc, both the same exact thing.

Sure there were a few things here and there I learned that weren't nationalistic. I recall briefly talking about genocide in Yugoslavia in a psychology class. I learned somewhat in depth about the French and English warring with each other in English class. But for the most part I was taught that America is the greatest nation on earth, the biggest pillar of freedom, and the greatest military and economic power in the world, 10 of my 12 years in school. It was also heavily implied we were the first people in history to "free the slaves" and i was never, ever told otherwise. I found it out on my own when I was like 25.

World history was not required once, nor did I learn any actual world history even once. I only learned about other countries if we went to war with them.

Edit, I should add i took all the easiest offered courses I could in high school.

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Entity13
07/08/20 2:48:11 PM
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America as in the US? Terrible place, with systemic issues, that was founded on lies, deceit, violence, and a disproportionate share of stupidity; all of which are present to this day. These things go back to the colonies, if not earlier.

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Yellow
07/08/20 2:49:13 PM
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LB1 posted...
It's at or near the bottom of first world countries
This, it's plagued with problems other first world countries don't have due to being so extremely right leaning, and half the country wants to go further right.

Medical bankruptcy or rationing your insulin? That's America.

Probably the worst first world country but no worse than that.

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CaptainStrong
07/08/20 2:50:34 PM
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The worst of the first world. Feels like a third world country in a lot of ways. It has the potential to be the best country in the world and it completely fucking wastes it.
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PPPPLAASSUMA
07/08/20 2:54:29 PM
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Just like to add I also don't mind criticisms of my country anymore.

I used to get a little flustered when people would call us fat, lazy, selfish, etc. Mostly because I didn't want to believe it and somehow didn't find it fair.

Nope, its more than fair. A huge portion of us are garbage. I see that now.

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ChaosAzeroth
07/08/20 2:56:36 PM
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Yellow posted...
Medical bankruptcy or rationing your insulin? That's America

The fact they basically literally said that it's expensive because people would die without it, which gives it value, is appalling.

I looked into cremation costs for a reason too. Sis fainted at work once, high blood pressure apparently, and the whole shebang was like $3k. Ambulance ride alone is close to $1k.
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defnotanth0ny
07/08/20 3:03:25 PM
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at least it's not north korea

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Zeus
07/08/20 3:50:40 PM
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America is by far the greatest country. More people want to live here than any other nation on Earth. We lead the world in medicine (4 of the world's top 10 hospitals -- per Newsweek -- are in the US, with only 2 in any other nation), we have the largest economy by far, we have the strongest military by far, the US dollar is the most widely-used unit of currency, we lead the world in entertainment, our freedoms are generally more expansive than most first-world nations, and there's generally more economic opportunity in the US than most other nations.

Which isn't to say that the US is perfect. We believe in barbaric concepts like the death penalty and lifetime imprisonment (although some first-world nations also endorse life sentences). We also have more crime than other first-world nations (although part of that is because some drugs are illegal here that are legal elsewhere and, of course, because it counts some of the US territories which have far greater than average crime). However, when you look at most of the criticisms that far-leftists spew, it's a complaint that we don't have as many socialist programs as other nations. Never mind that these individuals wouldn't dream of living in the nations that they praise, because they know everything they'd be giving up here. Not that I blame them for wanting to stay here -- after all, I've lived or spent considerable time in a quite a few other countries and know that the US is better by far -- but they want to make us more like these lesser nations, not fully recognizing that adopting such programs would also make the US far worse.

Yellow posted...
This, it's plagued with problems other first world countries don't have

Every first-world country has problems other first-world countries don't have.

Yellow posted...
due to being so extremely right leaning,

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TheWitchMorgana
07/08/20 4:25:31 PM
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it's bad, but it's especially tragic because it COULD be so much better. it has everything it needs

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TheSlinja
07/08/20 4:28:23 PM
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it really cant be all that good if zeus is simping for it

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DirtBasedSoap
07/08/20 4:37:16 PM
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we also have a president who has been a russian asset since the late 80s in charge which doesnt help us at all

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Lokarin
07/08/20 4:37:43 PM
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The world's wealthiest plague

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wolfy42
07/08/20 4:40:31 PM
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Good, Bad, were the one with the guns.

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Eat Man
07/08/20 4:41:36 PM
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One of societies most important experiments

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Joker_X_II
07/08/20 4:41:51 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

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DirtBasedSoap
07/08/20 4:42:26 PM
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Joker_X_II posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
>implying we were ever truly great

its all fuckin propaganda

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dancer62
07/08/20 4:50:08 PM
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Assuming you mean North America of the two American continents, and possibly even specifically the United States among the 23 countries comprising North America, a good place to live, not particularly recognizible from the unrealistic portrayal by corrupt sensationalistic news media.


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Joker_X_II
07/08/20 4:58:41 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
>implying we were ever truly great

Depends on the generation you grew up in.

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Lokarin
07/08/20 5:00:53 PM
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Joker_X_II posted...
Depends on the generation you grew up in.

Pretty much every nation on earth has been great at some point

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OrangeDawn
07/08/20 5:03:46 PM
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LB1 posted...
It's at or near the bottom of first world countries


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keyblader1985
07/08/20 6:11:08 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
it's bad, but it's especially tragic because it COULD be so much better. it has everything it needs
This. The country was built on philosophy, but too often those philosophies take a back seat to personal entitlement and the almighty dollar.

And that's to say nothing of the mountain of problems that the country was also built on. Point to any time in its history and you'll find at least one group of people who were systemically horribly treated. Whenever someone mentions the country being great at some point, a good follow up question is, "for who?"

Zeus posted...
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Dreamgamer_lgbt
07/08/20 9:11:09 PM
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I would say it's complicated. Everyone is gonna have different detailed opinion on such topic based on their preferences and things they value the most.

Personally , from distance it seems that there is a lot of disagreement in the states. Image is what people want to repair, but can't be done without the nation come to reasonable solution.

The topic asked for thoughts on America .... I am not immortal so I can't see the whole picture and to judge based on a few man-made articles and news is not reasonable. However based on real experience... I definitely can see what's missing tho and it's more respect, more awareness , new traditions more fit for the way people function these days , healthier environment and people learning what's important in terms of modern ethics so that the society can function better and not be stuck in the past while using the presence and going into the future.

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wolfy42
07/08/20 9:59:57 PM
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A miserable pile of Convid.

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Gaawa_chan
07/08/20 10:19:37 PM
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Um, it depends on your metric.

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teddy241
07/08/20 10:28:18 PM
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its a piece of trash country with lazy people who fight at walmarts
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afrodude77
07/08/20 10:28:20 PM
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America is ok it has its ups and downs like every other country on this planet. Namely racial relations and how rich lobbyists dominate the "democracy".

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Muscles
07/08/20 10:31:47 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Um, it depends on your metric.
You can choose whatever metrics you want, I think we have the best foundation with the constitution, but most of America's problems come from disregarding the constitution imo. Basic human rights are for everyone, and until we stop breaking the constitution we aren't going to be as good as we should be

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OhhhJa
07/08/20 10:38:06 PM
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The idea of America is great and even if america falls some day, I hope that idea of uncompromising liberty continues. Right now, we're definitely struggling. Middle class is borderline gone, decent healthcare is expensive, higher education is expensive, angry millenials have taken to the streets to set fire to buildings, destroy property, and assault/kill people because racism
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DirtBasedSoap
07/08/20 10:55:19 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
The idea of America is great and even if america falls some day, I hope that idea of uncompromising liberty continues. Right now, we're definitely struggling. Middle class is borderline gone, decent healthcare is expensive, higher education is expensive, angry millenials have taken to the streets to set fire to buildings, destroy property, and assault/kill people because racism
how many people have been killed by angry millennials taking to the streets vs the police (police brutality being the reason theyre taking to the streets)? kind of a tone deaf statement tbh

but i do agree that the idea of America is great. it just isnt what a lot of people pretend/have been deluded into thinking it is.

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Shadowbird_RH
07/08/20 10:57:07 PM
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Trump made America grate again.

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Unbridled9
07/08/20 11:02:19 PM
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Used to be great. Now it's falling apart.

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dedbus
07/09/20 12:41:08 AM
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It's pretty great that pound for pound it hangs at the top despite all the carrying it does.
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JixHedgehog
07/09/20 1:54:30 AM
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Its alright

One of the first things I noticed when I moved here is that people have absolute zero sense when it comes to their own safety

It hasnt changed with the virus

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Zeus
07/09/20 5:08:13 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
we also have a president who has been a russian asset since the late 80s in charge which doesnt help us at all

Now I know why I can't find any tinfoil at my local grocer!

Joker_X_II posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

Which was a shitty monologue.

keyblader1985 posted...
This. The country was built on philosophy, but too often those philosophies take a back seat to personal entitlement and the almighty dollar.

The governing philosophy was opportunity which always ends in things like profit.

keyblader1985 posted...
And that's to say nothing of the mountain of problems that the country was also built on. Point to any time in its history and you'll find at least one group of people who were systemically horribly treated. Whenever someone mentions the country being great at some point, a good follow up question is, "for who?"

Which is to stupidly claim, "If a nation isn't good for all people, it's not good." Every country that's ever existed has had at least some horribly treated groups, a reality that remains true to this day and shall continue. The difference between America and many other nations is that a poorly-treated person can rise to or near the top of the social strata, something that can't happen at all in some nations.

keyblader1985 posted...
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Muscles posted...
You can choose whatever metrics you want, I think we have the best foundation with the constitution, but most of America's problems come from disregarding the constitution imo. Basic human rights are for everyone, and until we stop breaking the constitution we aren't going to be as good as we should be

The problem with that notion is the conflicting viewpoint regarding the Constitution, which ranges from the concept of "originalism" where the latter and intent matter all the way to "it means whatever we want because it's a living, breathing document."

And then there's the matter of reframing "rights" from the original intent -- protections from government -- to proactive, bullshit handouts. When people argued for the right to free speech, it was so that they wouldn't be arrested for expressing their opinions. When people claim that healthcare is a right, they want it to be provided for free instead of paying for it like an adult. The notion of the individual and their relationship to government has become all twisted. Instead of government stepping back and acting as a referee so that people could prosper, they expect government to nanny them because they don't want to think or act for themselves. America was founded on an idea of rugged individualism (where individuals bound together by free-market capitalism), but now people are increasingly dependent (and push for limited-market socialism). There are very few things that people nowadays don't want to hand over to government. This encroachment has been going on for a very long time and has been perpetrated by both parties to some extent.


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Nichtcrawler X
07/09/20 5:13:18 AM
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Zeus posted...
https://i.imgur.com/lxaMlx8.gif

When it comes to the two main parties, your choice in the US is either Centre(-Right) or (Extreme-)Right. So yes, that is quite right leaning.

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TheWitchMorgana
07/09/20 5:16:24 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
When it comes to the two main parties, your choice in the US is either Centre(-Right) or (Extreme-)Right. So yes, that is quite right leaning.

youre talking to the dude who thinks hes centre-left so id love to know what he thinks democrats are

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Zeus
07/09/20 5:18:06 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
When it comes to the two main parties, your choice in the US is either Centre(-Right) or (Extreme-)Right. So yes, that is quite right leaning.

You mean Left and Center-Left. Keep in mind that the chief challenger for the Democrats for the last two elections has been a guy who has been to the left of Sweden on many issues. The closest thing you had to a right-leaning politician was maybe a Libertarian candidate, but that's going into the compass rather than the left-right paradigm.

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Nichtcrawler X
07/09/20 5:24:53 AM
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Zeus posted...


You mean left and center-left.

Maybe Obama, but he was the exception.

Zeus posted...
Keep in mind that the chief challenger for the Democrats for the last two elections has been a guy who has been to the left of Sweden on many issues.

Like you say "Challenger", the main party overall is not that left leaning. Bernie probably only ran as a Democrat because how messed up the US 2 party system is.

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Zeus
07/09/20 5:35:35 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Like you say "Challenger", the main party overall is not that left leaning. Bernie probably only ran as a Democrat because how messed up the US 2 party system is.

You claim that, but over HALF of the Democratic primary candidates supported a wealth tax (an idea so progressively far-left that only FOUR nations in the world have one, and not even Sweden -- one of the furthest-left nations by reputation -- has it). In addition, either three or four suggested that billionaires shouldn't exist, an idea that should be unthinkable in a true free-market society (even a somewhat leftist one) yet they were met with rousing applause.

And it's not a matter of Bernie being a Democrat -- which he really isn't (and he literally won't be once the election ends and he leaves the party again) -- but instead the fact that so many Democrats voted for him to be the party's candidate. Bernie may be cartoonishly to the far-left, but the real indication is that so many Americans on board with his thinking. And the fact that he didn't win the primary isn't necessarily because Democrats don't agree with him, but because they want to push somebody more "moderate" to face Trump (and Bernie isn't exactly moderate).

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FatalAccident
07/09/20 5:36:46 AM
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Its aight

but scratch beneath the surface its not so aight

so all in all

meh

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Nichtcrawler X
07/09/20 5:41:05 AM
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Zeus posted...
but the real indication is that so many Americans on board with his thinking.

Which makes it weird that the other prominent left politician in the US, that I know of, is also perhaps the most ridiculed one.

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Zeus
07/09/20 5:42:44 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Which makes it weird that the other prominent left politician in the US, that I know of, is also perhaps the most ridiculed one.

Who? AoC? The problem with AoC is more the fact she's a moron than merely a matter of her being far-left. If you mean Warren -- who stands side-by-side with Bernie on a lot of issues and is certainly a prominent force on the left -- she's not terribly ridiculed... well, except by Trump, but that's Trump.

AoC mostly gets headlines because she's young, absurdly vocal, and marginally attractive. It's that last quality that probably gets her the most coverage, because the others in her group don't seem to get nearly as much attention despite saying their own share of crazy shit.

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