Poll of the Day > We should see COVID deaths rise quickly soon, right?

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blu
07/08/20 7:47:45 AM
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At least we seem to be better and keeping people alive, or maybe its just healthier people now getting it.


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Lokarin
07/08/20 7:51:53 AM
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those charts aren't labeled :V

But if they are accurate, that means there are a lot more deaths on certain weekdays, since the chart has equally distributed spikes.

There's a dip right over Jun 28, which was a Sunday. And May 27 has a peak, which is a Wednesday. If this pattern holds...

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Covid is killing people almost exclusively on Wednesdays!!

EDIT: The more likely interpretation is that the overburden of medical services is over and the infrastructure improved... indeed, there's probably even a surplus of ventilators now, lowering the death rate.

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blu
07/08/20 8:11:03 AM
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Its from google, so whatever they source. Theres a label in the left balloon, but I added a text label because its hard to see. Yeah theres definitely spikes during the week.

More testing should happen during the week so that make sense (though Id expect closer to a square) , but deaths Id expect to be smoother.

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Data comes from sources like Wikipedia, government health ministries, The New York Times, and other authoritative sources, which may be added over time with attribution. Cases are constantly updated from resources around the world. Daily situation reports are also available on the World Health Organization site.
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Blightzkrieg
07/08/20 8:20:07 AM
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Deaths lag behind the disease, so yes. Deaths are dropping rapidly in previous hot spots like New York. We can expect them to spike up again as cases rise in new hot spots (though Florida at least has been pulling a China with their numbers so maybe not).

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Mead
07/08/20 9:07:38 AM
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People are suffering from all sorts of chronic illnesses and damage to their body even after recovering from the disease. Our healthcare system is already broken in the US this is gonna overtax it even more for decades.

People need to stop with the whole mentality of even if I catch it chances are I wont die, you seriously want to live with scar tissue pockets throughout your lungs that constantly get infected for the rest of your life?

wear fucking masks and stay home whenever possible

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OhhhJa
07/08/20 9:44:37 AM
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I think i understanding of the virus is a little better and hospitals are more prepared now than they were in April so people aren't dying as much despite there being more cases
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Blightzkrieg
07/08/20 9:51:18 AM
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I don't think how we treat the disease has really changed at all since early this year. There's no new medication for it.

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SpeeDLeemon
07/08/20 9:51:58 AM
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deaths lag 3 weeks behind the spikes in cases.
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Judgmenl
07/08/20 9:54:28 AM
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It depends on where you live, ok?



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Krazy_Kirby
07/08/20 12:00:35 PM
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i still wonder how many of the deaths were from other causes. just because someone has it when they die, doesn't mean that is why they died
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Blightzkrieg
07/08/20 12:05:06 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
i still wonder how many of the deaths were from other causes. just because someone has it when they die, doesn't mean that is why they died
The doubling of pneumonia deaths is a big issue that has been completely overshadowed by the corona virus panic

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Veedrock-
07/08/20 12:27:43 PM
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Mead posted...
People are suffering from all sorts of chronic illnesses and damage to their body even after recovering from the disease.
At what rate? You omit it on purpose to perpetuate fear.

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teddy241
07/08/20 12:33:46 PM
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Most flordia hospitals ICUs are at capacity now. people will continue fighting to stay alive but id assume deaths will spike in 1-2 weeks
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teddy241
07/08/20 12:34:28 PM
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adjl
07/08/20 12:37:26 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
At what rate? You omit it on purpose to perpetuate fear.

No, it's omitted because nobody really knows for sure yet. It's really hard, after all, to collect statistics on what sort of health issues arise 10 years after being infected with a disease that's only existed for 8 months. I think you need to loosen your tinfoil hat a bit.

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Veedrock-
07/08/20 1:17:47 PM
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adjl posted...
No, it's omitted because nobody really knows for sure yet. It's really hard, after all, to collect statistics on what sort of health issues arise 10 years after being infected with a disease that's only existed for 8 months.
If we don't know, why is it being sold as fact and sure occurrence? That's misinformation. Why promote misinformation? Because available information like the death rate isn't having the desired effect of instilling fear.

By your logic I assume you'll campaign against a covid vaccine too? We don't know what effects a covid vaccine will have in 10 years, so you should fear the absolute worst and assume death or handicap.

I'm not a tinfoil hat person, I'm a "quit your bullshit" person.

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Firewerx
07/08/20 3:28:54 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
If we don't know, why is it being sold as fact and sure occurrence? That's misinformation.
It's misinformation that survivors of Covid-19 can suffer health after-effects?

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DDirtyDastard
07/08/20 3:42:37 PM
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See? I haven't seen a single one. You mean reported deaths? Of course. Gotta keep the narrative consistent if you're gonna scare everyone into submission.
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Firewerx
07/08/20 4:24:53 PM
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DDirtyDastard posted...
See? I haven't seen a single one.
If you haven't personally seen anyone die, do you believe that "death" is a hoax?

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Lokarin
07/08/20 4:39:31 PM
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Firewerx posted...
If you haven't personally seen anyone die, do you believe that "death" is a hoax?

You can't actually SEE germs, germs are a hoax!

lulz

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Blightzkrieg
07/08/20 4:56:22 PM
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Firewerx posted...
If you haven't personally seen anyone die, do you believe that "death" is a hoax?
Ironic how atheists question god while believing in death

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adjl
07/08/20 5:28:43 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
If we don't know, why is it being sold as fact and sure occurrence?

Because doctors are seeing persistent tissue damage in recovered cases that doesn't seem to be healing. The long-term implications of that damage remain uncertain, but it is fact that such damage is happening.

Veedrock- posted...
I'm not a tinfoil hat person, I'm a "quit your bulls***" person.

Jumping to the assumption that leaving out concrete numbers is a deliberate omission for the sake of instilling fear is pretty conspiratorial. Especially when there's such a simple explanation as "the long-term effects aren't known for certain because the disease is 8 months old" exists that doesn't rely on any grand conspiracy to control the world through a narrative of fear.

Veedrock- posted...
By your logic I assume you'll campaign against a covid vaccine too? We don't know what effects a covid vaccine will have in 10 years, so you should fear the absolute worst and assume death or handicap.

That's what clinical trials are for. You can't completely rule out the possibility that a vaccine will have some sort of long-term side effect that won't show up during the trial period, but you can make reasonable inferences about whether or not the components of the vaccine will have such effects and observe the health of trial participants to identify issues that may worsen over time.

It's very different to say "we don't know for certain that this thing won't kill us in a decade so we should presume that it does" than to say "we can observe damage caused by this thing that is likely to cause further problems later in life." Being concerned about future health complications in recovered Covid patients is not a matter of being paranoid and worrying about some secret hidden power it has to hurt people even once it's gone, it's a matter of seeing people that have had the virus eradicated from their systems yet still have health issues they didn't have before being infected. This is empirical reality, even if the detailed statistics and full implications aren't fully understood yet.

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OhhhJa
07/08/20 5:54:46 PM
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adjl posted...
Because doctors are seeing persistent tissue damage in recovered cases that doesn't seem to be healing
This is the strangest thing to me. And apparently with people that are asymptomatic as well. Like wtf
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SonyMichel
07/08/20 6:26:12 PM
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SpeeDLeemon posted...
deaths lag 3 weeks behind the spikes in cases.

this. And its basically the same thing with the lag of the spread to when people start seeing symptoms in themselves. Theyre carrying it around and spreading it for weeks before they even know to get tested
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dancer62
07/08/20 6:32:37 PM
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And the death rate continues to decrease.

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SonyMichel
07/08/20 6:34:21 PM
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dancer62 posted...
And the death rate continues to decrease.

it depends on where you live.

and just like tons of states refused to test when the outbreak first happened, states are refusing to report deaths now.

your president is literally telling them not to test and not to report deaths. So I dont know how you can agree with the president yet still agree with the numbers as well
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dancer62
07/08/20 7:48:27 PM
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SonyMichel posted...
it depends on where you live.

and just like tons of states refused to test when the outbreak first happened, states are refusing to report deaths now.

your president is literally telling them not to test and not to report deaths. So I dont know how you can agree with the president yet still agree with the numbers as well
Total deaths in the US, from all causes, are down.

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DDirtyDastard
07/08/20 8:31:37 PM
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Reopen. Let the weak stay home forever. I just re-caught Covid for the fourth time. COUGH-COUGH! I don't wear a mask, ever. BOOGIE-BOOGIE-BOOGIE!!!!

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Mead
07/08/20 8:59:46 PM
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dancer62 posted...
Total deaths in the US, from all causes, are down.

how about ICU stays though

deaths are not the only statistic that matters

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Decoy77
07/08/20 10:10:12 PM
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This whole reporting thing is REALLY jacked up which is what makes these numbers look worse than they are.
  1. Lots more testing so obviously going to get more results that show positives. But the biggest issue in these "positive" tests are the fact that it lumps those with the active virus in with those that test positive for antibodies. Mean those that have had it and were possibly asymptomatic are still a "positive" test so the number jumps by 1 even though they aren't a new active case.
  2. Also more elective procedures are opening up again. Say someone wants a boob job. She gets tested, she shows positive. She was asymptomatic so never showed the signs, but now they test the whole family, poof there is another say 3 positive tests, none showed signs of it so in light of the elective procedure there are 4 new "positive" cases that would have never been reported without that.
  3. Also the issue with deaths is they are lumping those that died FROM convid-19 in with those that HAD covid-19 but didn't necessarily DIE from it as deaths from it anyways. So again skewing the number higher than it should be. In some case even if they didn't know for sure if they even had it when someone died but suspected it, they checked the box saying they had it. So those particularly in the early days might have been extra inflated numbers.
So even with these flawed reporting of numbers yes cases are up but hospitalizations and deaths are trending down.

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Judgmenl
07/08/20 10:12:47 PM
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Decoy77 posted...
Lots more testing so obviously going to get more results that show positives. But the biggest issue in these "positive" tests are the fact that it lumps those with the active virus in with those that test positive for antibodies. Mean those that have had it and were possibly asymptomatic are still a "positive" test so the number jumps by 1 even though they aren't a new active case.
If only other states reported extensive data like Massachusetts does:
https://public.tableau.com/profile/somethinginnocuous#!/vizhome/MACOVID-19Data/MassachusettsCOVID-19Data?publish=yes

I've been for a resource that tracks things like this guy does but for states like Florida to see whether or not your guesses are accurate or not. They're not accurate for Massachusetts, but we have some of the best COVID-19 control right now.

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Gaawa_chan
07/08/20 10:18:27 PM
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Yeah, it just hit my town. Gonna be bad here, I'm afraid.

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Blightzkrieg
07/08/20 10:21:51 PM
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Americans bragging about how much testing they have after spending months with a testing shortage is sad af

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teddy241
07/08/20 10:26:59 PM
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dancer62 posted...
And the death rate continues to decrease.
come back in a week now that ICU has hit capacity in Florida. should see half of them dead and many others who were not even able to secure a bed in icu die
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OhhhJa
07/08/20 10:29:45 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Americans bragging about how much testing they have after spending months with a testing shortage is sad af
We had a testing shortage because we have 330 million people. Pretty easy for a country like canada that has what... 40 million people to have enough to go around. Plus, many of them live without much more than some moose within like 5 miles
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Lokarin
07/10/20 2:30:14 AM
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Something something political disease

https://i.redd.it/6z29k1sn2w951.png

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