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ninkendo
07/08/20 1:05:54 AM
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They're not quite here yet but they should be hitting sometime overnight or early in the morning.

Here's a post from resetera from someone who is talked to reviewers playing the game

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadly-premonition-2-a-blessing-in-disguise-review-thread.243031/page-4

I've talked with a couple who are reviewing it and a couple who are playing it who got it early (all who thankfully didn't spoil me on stuff, I just am curious as excited).
It probably will score similarly to the first game with one crevice. So the biggest problem of this game by far is the tech issues, it's definitely going to have to drag the game down. The frame rate is all over the place, some sections run a fluid 60fps, some fluctuate rapidly and the streets of Le Carre often are in the 15 FPS zone. Even people that like the game will probably take notice and will detract a bit for this as it sometimes gets in the way of enjoyment. I know many who enjoy the game can look past that, but especially when reviewing there is no ignoring how badly performing this game is.
Outside of that, I've heard from pretty much everyone the characters are endearing, the story is great and a near perfect continuation of the first game, and there is areas the game improves itself in, some in bigger ways and some in smaller. A few examples I've heard:

-The combat is a BIT better, it's still pretty standard but the actual levels are designed a bit better, there's a bit more mechanically going on (in a good way), there's no really annoying enemies like the crawlers in the first game. Nothing to write home about, but servicable and a slight improvement.
-Music is amazing, I've heard from nearly everyone it has a soundtrack that's possibly even better than the original.
-The mini-games are more involved and fun this time.
-Most mechanics people wanted to return (shaving, stinky outfit fun, people in Le Carre having their daily routines you can follow etc) are back.
-The game cut down on some of its bullshittier elements, like the really long QTE sequences (actually sounds like they cut down a LOT on QTEs in general).
-The map is thankfully much improved from DP1.

There's some areas some may see as positive or negative though:
-The town you explore is a lot smaller than Greenvale. That does mean it's more condensed as well, but this may be a pro or con depending on who you're asking.
-Skateboarding I've heard mixed things about, it's kinda' hilarious but the physics for it are very wonky.
-I've heard some back-and-forth things on the side-quests. that element I know less about.

I have heard the game length is comparable to the first, main story is a bit shorter (but not by much, and a big reason it's shorter may simply be because the time you spend in the town is shorter because it's more condensed), and there's a lot of extra content that can easily add a lot more to play time.

It sounds like people who like Deadly Premonition will like the sequel, maybe even love it, and there is improvements... Buuuuuut it's very much Deadly Premonition, the tech problems definitely will affect the score, and even though there's improvements, there's not a whole lot in earnest, so how a very similar game will be received a decade later? We'll find out I guess.

Of course, fans of the original probably just want another game like Deadly Premonition with a few improvements, so that may not be a problem for people interested in this anyways and might actually be a good thing.

Curious what I'll end up thinking and where reviews will land on this one (probably all over the place but skewed a bit worse due to the frame rate/crashing problems the game has), but hearing these four other people's non-spoiler opinions has been fun.

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ninkendo
07/08/20 2:05:10 AM
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Oh it'll lift at 6am pacific

7 more hours!

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ninkendo
07/08/20 2:58:35 AM
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ChaosTonyV4
07/08/20 3:02:23 AM
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I wonder if there could possibly be a baddy as memorable as the raincoat killer.

So excited.

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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:06:33 AM
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I have plenty of time to think about what Im seeing and doing, in fact, which is good in a game where the sense of place and imagery is so important. The game doesnt play itself, but Im often a passenger about to be shown some very, very weird shit.

There are, as far as I can tell, two possibilities: Either Deadly Premonition 2 is a disaster of a game from a team that cant credibly develop anything which we know at this point cant be true, unless this is gamings first case of outside art going mainstream or its an elaborate ruse designed to drive me mad.

oh ya these are the reviews I'm looking for

really the entire Polygon review is incredible story of someone losing their mind playing this game

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/2020/7/8/21316347/deadly-premonition-2-review-switch

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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:12:21 AM
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Im going to tell you something that I cant easily explain: When I advance the quest, Im having fun. I barely know why, in the same way that its difficult to explain why paying off a mortgage in Animal Crossing is fun.

It makes little sense in the abstract, but Im willing to put up with the mountains of horseshit the assault to my eyes, a side quest that wants me to find a literal single grain of rice sitting somewhere in an entire open-world city without a hint or clue (and I did!), everybodys interminable yammering monologues just to see whats next because everything exists for the purpose of constructing the weirdest world possible. And Swery isnt afraid to get really weird, which is a powerful motivational tool for me to keep going to see where his mind goes next.

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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:15:40 AM
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62 average so far through 26 reviews

Review scores range from 9/10 to 2/10

just as planned

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MoogleKupo141
07/08/20 9:15:59 AM
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Twin Poops

yes
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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:22:56 AM
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anyway here we go with some snippets

Dualshockers - 9/10
Deadly Premonition 2 just wants to tell its story, tell it well, and be its own weird, little self. Your ability to either live with that or not will determine how deeply you fall in love with the citizens of Le Carre.

God is Geek - 8.5/10
A worthy sequel to the 2010 cult classic, Deadly Premonition 2 retains the series trademark charm with its oddball characters and outlandish story. The open world frame-rate isn't good enough, but if you can overlook that there's plenty of intrigue and laughs to be found in Le Carre.

Destructoid - 8/10
How many times can you say that you hexed an old widow so that you could go bowling in the past...oh say decade or so?" Deadly Premonition 2: A Blessing in Disguise is another trip. You've been warned.

NintendoLife - 7/10
Veterans of the first game wont be expecting a technical tour-de-force, but Deadly Premonition 2 still manages to underwhelm in pure performance terms. However (and this is a big however), it's a game with real character and it's very tough to dislike, even as you stutter your way around Le Carr on your skateboard. If you've ever been intrigued by the original, we'd recommend giving this a go. Its janky and derivative, yes, but its also irresistibly wonderful and strange, and there's no other video game quite like it.

IGN - 5/10
Deadly Premonition 2 isnt good, nor is it so bad that its good (like its predecessor). Its something much, much worse: its mediocre. And thats too bad. Im certainly grateful for the chance to spend some more time with the eccentric and ever enthusiastic Francis York Morgan, because he remains one of the funniest and most unique lead characters in all of gaming. But I found myself less tolerant of Deadly Premonition 2s technical issues and half-baked combat this time around, and its central mystery is ridiculous without ever going far enough off the rails to be truly surprising or memorable.

Game Informer - 5/10
Its bound to be another polarizing title, which ultimately shouldnt come as a big surprise. I just wish I could have counted myself among its defenders this time.

Gamespot - 5/10
If you can get past its performance, there are glimpses of a good story here, and moments that make it a worthy installment in the Francis Zach Morgan saga. But, ultimately, Deadly Premonition 2 lacks the emotional resonance found in the first game. It's a different brew of coffee from your favorite roaster, but one that's more bitter than you probably hoped for.

USGamer - 2/10
Deadly Premonition 2: A Blessing In Disguise is hard to love, even by the standards set by its predecessor. In leaving Greenvale behind for a style of prequel and sequel storytelling split across Louisiana and Boston, Deadly Premonition 2 jettisons the much of what made the original charming (along with some interesting mechanics and variety) in favor of an empty town and a story that serves up tropes and bits of lore that do little to enhance or build upon what made the original fascinating. All the while, terrible performance makes it more of a slog than its uninspired ideas and pacing do on their own.


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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:27:13 AM
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In the end, a traditional review may be rather pointless, since the Deadly Premonition games operate on the same level as a film such as The Return of Captain Invincible (possibly the lone cult '80s film that York shockingly doesn't reference): something that operates on a completely different plane of reality than the rest of us, one where the mere notions of "good" and "bad" don't really apply.


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ninkendo
07/08/20 9:56:34 AM
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colliding
07/08/20 1:12:38 PM
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these are the quotes that I live for. thank you for doing god's work
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ninkendo
07/08/20 1:31:44 PM
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UshiromiyaEva
07/08/20 7:36:25 PM
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Xiahou Shake
07/08/20 7:43:28 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://twitter.com/MattMcMuscles/status/1280977167745118208?s=09
jesus lmao

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ninkendo
07/09/20 1:51:18 AM
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ninkendo
07/10/20 2:06:02 AM
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Game critics- 8/10
"Its a bold, funny, scary, unbelievably intense way of getting closure for the previous game. As such, its a masterpiece thats difficult to recommend because it can only be fully appreciated by those who are already deeply invested in Zachs story. Still, I have to recommend it because it provides a more powerful ending to the Deadly Premonition story than I ever would have expected, and a better experience than we probably deserve."

w0w0w0w0w0w0w

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JackMan
07/10/20 1:46:59 PM
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I'm only about three hours in, but I love Patti so far. She's a great foil for York's unabashed weirdness, movie pretention and general dickbaggery.

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ninkendo
07/10/20 1:47:57 PM
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I'm still only about halfway through my DP1 replay

hopefully can start 2 before the end of the weekend

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UshiromiyaEva
07/10/20 1:50:14 PM
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Nanis23
07/10/20 2:08:32 PM
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This game looks so bad
What am I missing?

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Xiahou Shake
07/10/20 2:19:15 PM
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Nanis23 posted...
This game looks so bad
What am I missing?
F. K. in the coffee

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ninkendo
07/10/20 2:30:54 PM
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kevwaffles
07/10/20 4:37:35 PM
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On the one hand I wish this wasn't exclusive to a console I don't currently own.

On the other, after watching that clip from Matt, maybe it's a good idea to wait on this.
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Murphiroth
07/10/20 5:00:33 PM
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Nanis23 posted...
This game looks so bad
What am I missing?

Good taste.

In all seriousness if you have no experience with the first game then you simply won't understand the magic that is DP.

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UshiromiyaEva
07/10/20 5:03:45 PM
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The first thing is a movement tutorial, but it's on rails and you walk forward no matter which direction you push.

Off to a perfect start.

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UshiromiyaEva
07/10/20 5:06:50 PM
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Already POPPIN

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ninkendo
07/11/20 11:49:31 AM
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https://twitter.com/brogawd_/status/1281829506521669633

just finished the final boss of DP1 (still so cool) in my replay

Will finish up remaining sidequests and trading cards and I'll start DP2 tonight

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UshiromiyaEva
07/11/20 12:41:31 PM
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I don't know if I missed the Skateboard somewhere or just don't know how to start riding it??

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JackMan
07/11/20 12:52:03 PM
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Press Y.

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JackMan
07/11/20 2:19:34 PM
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Damnit, I keep accidentally shooting/punching people and losing all my money...

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Grand Kirby
07/11/20 2:55:09 PM
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I laughed for like a solid minute

https://mobile.twitter.com/cthulhu_chan_/status/1281652803560062976

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JackMan
07/11/20 2:56:46 PM
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Yeah, I went to punch a dog and we both got hit by a car.

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colliding
07/11/20 4:36:47 PM
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Grand Kirby posted...
I laughed for like a solid minute

https://mobile.twitter.com/cthulhu_chan_/status/1281652803560062976

The best thing about this is how the little kid slowly floats closer to York the entire time

the devs here know exactly what they're doing. this might seriously create the "bad game genre"
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Safer_777
07/11/20 7:34:46 PM
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I understand they tried to made this game bad in a certain way but at least they should fix the technical stuff.

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ninkendo
07/11/20 10:38:00 PM
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something I didn't realize until I just saw it now in the credits of the first game is that every named character is a different letter of the alphabet

from A to Z

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JackMan
07/12/20 12:55:51 AM
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ninkendo posted...
something I didn't realize until I just saw it now in the credits of the first game is that every named character is a different letter of the alphabet

from A to Z
Yeah, except the characters with nicknames, who are extra. I think DP2 is doing the same thing, but not certain yet.

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ninkendo
07/12/20 6:28:51 AM
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the color of York's skateboard changes based on the joycon color you're using (or black if you're using a pro controller)


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ninkendo
07/12/20 1:27:08 PM
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ninkendo
07/12/20 10:56:13 PM
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nevermind me just dragging my junior detective to the swamps to watch me murder these gators with ease

https://twitter.com/shineget64/status/1282507885847535616

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Anagram
07/12/20 11:20:42 PM
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I never played the original. Is it worth picking up?

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ninkendo
07/12/20 11:43:26 PM
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I've definitely become accustomed to the frame rate at this point. It's still noticeable but it's definitely not unplayable.

Mechanically everything is better than the first game so it's really more down to the tone of the story that depends on whether people will like it or not. It's less Twin Peaks and more True Detective.

I assume SWERY watches a crime a drama once decade and decides to make a game based on it. I assume DP3 will be based on Breaking Bad.

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ninkendo
07/12/20 11:44:55 PM
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I really like the skateboard now just because how quickly you can get on and off of it. No long animation of getting in and out of a car


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ChaosTonyV4
07/13/20 12:29:42 AM
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I havent played yet, but I did overhear my wife playing and York monologuing for 10 straight minutes while skateboarding, so it sounds pretty good

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JackMan
07/13/20 4:27:18 AM
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Anagram posted...
I never played the original. Is it worth picking up?
The original? Definitely. Origins has been patched a bit since launch and is probably the easiest option to play these days. The 360 version is a bit expensive and lacks the improvements of later games, but is still an option. The PS3 version is fine and has some gameplay improvements over the 360 version, but runs bad and the Director's Cut stuff is all non-canon now. And the PC version apparently runs worse than the PS3 version.

So yeah, get Origins.

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I really like the skateboard now just because how quickly you can get on and off of it. No long animation of getting in and out of a car
My biggest complaints are that York cycles through the same five conversations over and over with about a ten second pause between each one with no way to stop him and if you bump anything during a unique one, he just stops talking.

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ninkendo
07/14/20 11:38:47 AM
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UshiromiyaEva
07/14/20 12:22:55 PM
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I find myself not engaging with the sidequests much...but I remember how some sidequests in the first one were randomly super important for new weapons and such. Hopefully a list pops up somewhere of which ones to hit.

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colliding
07/14/20 12:24:45 PM
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I hardly did any of the sidequests in the original.

Particularly if they involved driving for long amounts of time (which everything did in the original)

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ninkendo
07/14/20 12:28:45 PM
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yeah the SQ's haven't been important to the main investigation like they were in the first game and the rewards have mainly just been more crafting materials or charms to equip. I'm still doing them as they pop up, but I'm not actively seeking them

at least until someone makes a list.

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ninkendo
07/14/20 1:21:48 PM
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like no matter what I do I can't get Avery to give me his sidequests. I want that bead!

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