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Ser_Jaker
07/10/20 6:28:08 AM
#152:


Guardian Ape is the best boss in that game.

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 7:24:41 AM
#153:


Ser_Jaker posted...
Guardian Ape is the best boss in that game.

Definitely Genichiro for me so far.

So am I supposed to just feed the fish all my bait, or is there something else going on here? I don't mind a little spoiler on that since bait seems to be a limited resource.
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Ruddager
07/10/20 7:28:03 AM
#154:


You've gotta get to the other side without it seeing you, the bait isn't used here
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 7:30:15 AM
#155:


Oh no no, I got the other side. I'm standing on the pier feeding the fish.
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Darkninja42
07/10/20 7:31:36 AM
#156:


Yeah you feed once, talk to the attendant to get the currency for the pot merchants. Feed it one more time after to get more and i think that's all he gives you. There's more to it but it's more of a spoiler.

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Ruddager
07/10/20 7:34:37 AM
#157:


Ohhhh, giving it precious bait will get you treasure scales, 1 the first time and 3 the second time. Giving it truly precious bait will do something else
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 7:42:43 AM
#158:


Alright. Palace pot guy is dead and the other is a fish. Yay!...?
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Ruddager
07/10/20 7:44:01 AM
#159:


I believe if you go back to the guardian apes arena there will be something there for you if you used the truly precious bait and killed the fish
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 7:50:55 AM
#160:


Well... that seems logical.

I have a feeling I'm getting into some secret ending stuff here.
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Ruddager
07/10/20 7:54:13 AM
#161:


Nah that one has nothing to do with the endings, it's just for a key item to complete an NPC questline. I really recommend looking up the ending requirements after you go to NG+ because they are not obvious at all and if you haven't done them by the time you beat the boss in the area you're in you're locked out I believe
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Ruddager
07/10/20 8:28:15 AM
#162:


Also if you did the route that leads to Mibu village before beating the guardian ape there's a mini boss you missed that gives 2 prayer beads and a ninjitsu technique
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 8:31:23 AM
#163:


Bosses where the second phase is the real boss but you have to complete a lengthy, but absolutely not threatening phase one on every attempt will never be good game design. From should stop it.

That was a fun little puzzle boss, though. The second phase, that is.
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 9:08:57 AM
#164:


The Lady Butterfly Phantom Kunai finally appeared in the shrine chest, along with a Prayer Bead. And the sculptor is not even there so I can use it! Edit: Nvm I can do it myself >_>
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 10:20:29 AM
#165:


That's some weird anti-vore fetish Miyazaki has.

Also, I heard this fight is really hard >_>
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Squall28
07/10/20 10:21:21 AM
#166:


DeadBankerDream posted...
That's some weird anti-vore fetish Miyazaki has.

Also, I heard this fight is really hard >_>

Which fight?

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 10:22:14 AM
#167:


Sword Saint
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Squall28
07/10/20 10:25:08 AM
#168:


Ah. It's not that bad tbh. The game trains you up for this moment.

Be sure to go access the optional boss fights as well before moving on to NG+

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 10:37:14 AM
#169:


No, this is pretty fucking hard.
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 10:49:10 AM
#170:


His spear phase should go die, IMO.
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MJOLNRVII
07/10/20 11:40:13 AM
#171:


IMO he's the hardest boss in the game. The only other one that I really feel is on par with him is Father Owl I guess.

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 12:07:02 PM
#172:


Made it to his third health bar for the first time. Seems... doable. Assuming from the added element it seems mostly the same as his second. For all I know he has a final phase after. I've noticed something that pisses me off to no end, though. Sometimes (read: often) when he jumps over me, my lockon breaks. And then I get stabbed in the back while trying to orient myself about what's going on.
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 12:39:21 PM
#173:


The amount of hyper armor this boss has is bullshit.
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TheGoldenEel
07/10/20 12:53:14 PM
#174:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Made it to his third health bar for the first time. Seems... doable. Assuming from the added element it seems mostly the same as his second. For all I know he has a final phase after. I've noticed something that pisses me off to no end, though. Sometimes (read: often) when he jumps over me, my lockon breaks. And then I get stabbed in the back while trying to orient myself about what's going on.
sword saints final form is the easiest

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 1:33:42 PM
#175:


He ded.

And no, his first form is absolutely the easiest.

Oh hey, uh... I guess the game is over.
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Squall28
07/10/20 2:01:49 PM
#176:


DeadBankerDream posted...
He ded.

And no, his first form is absolutely the easiest.

Oh hey, uh... I guess the game is over.

Fight demon of hatred and Owl.

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Ruddager
07/10/20 2:07:40 PM
#177:


Squall28 posted...
Fight demon of hatred and Owl.

He cant fight owl again if he didnt do the steps for the purification ending, which if he was playing blind I highly doubt he stumbled upon randomly
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 2:09:11 PM
#178:


Game gave me a trophy for "Immortality Severed" ending.
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Ruddager
07/10/20 2:12:52 PM
#179:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Game gave me a trophy for "Immortality Severed" ending.

Yeah thats the "standard" ending, one of the other endings requires you to side with Owl at the top of Ashina Castle and has 2 unique bosses to fight, the other 2 ending require a series of complicated steps to unlock which youll have to look up. One of those, called the "purification" route contains another unique boss and a memory and 2 prayer beads you can only get from it

There is still another optional boss (Demon of Hatred) you can fight before progressing to NG+ if you wanna do that though, and round 2 with the ape if you didnt do that yet
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 2:44:40 PM
#180:


Stuff definitely happening in da Ashina Outskirts area.

Is the part of the area between the snake and Gyoubu just not accessible anymore?
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Squall28
07/10/20 2:59:26 PM
#181:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Stuff definitely happening in da Ashina Outskirts area.

Is the part of the area between the snake and Gyoubu just not accessible anymore?

Try to get to where Gyoubu was

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Ruddager
07/10/20 3:04:26 PM
#182:


Squall28 posted...
Try to get to where Gyoubu was

Been a while since I played but I dont remember anything new being in Gyoubu's arena post palace, if youre guiding him to Demon isnt that near where the first mini boss after the tutorial was
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 3:07:18 PM
#183:


I think I found the Demon of Hatred >_>

Brb, spending all exp and sen.

Also, not really fighting him today. I'm mostly done.
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CapnMuffin
07/10/20 3:08:15 PM
#184:


Thats fun. Feels like an actual Souls boss got transplanted into Sekiro.

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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 3:23:03 PM
#185:


Did one attempt on him before turning it off for today. Managed to kill his first healthbar. That's, uh... a lot of fire in the second health bar.
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DeadBankerDream
07/10/20 5:14:46 PM
#186:


So what exactly carries over into NG+? I assume prayer beads and remnants dont respawn so you can't just keep leveling up your stats indefinitely. Do enemies get harder by a significant margin? Is the "bell demon" hard mode thing worth using for anything other than the challenge?
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CapnMuffin
07/10/20 5:48:29 PM
#187:


DeadBankerDream posted...
So what exactly carries over into NG+? I assume prayer beads and remnants dont respawn so you can't just keep leveling up your stats indefinitely. Do enemies get harder by a significant margin? Is the "bell demon" hard mode thing worth using for anything other than the challenge?
You cant get prayer beads youve already obtained but you can continue to raise your attack power in NG cycles.

the increase in difficulty is not significant

however you are given the option soon after starting to give Kuro an item that makes it so non perfect deflects give you chip damage

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Ruddager
07/10/20 5:53:16 PM
#188:


Might be worth it to do the bell demon and give back the Kuro charm if you want a challenge, the NG+ cycles werent much of a challenge since you should basically know/have muscle memory for the parry timings for everything especially if youre jumping right back in and should therefore expect to get hit much less and kinda breeze through anything youve already fought if you just do standard NG+
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DeadBankerDream
07/11/20 7:32:31 AM
#189:


Defeated the Demon of Hatred. Intense fight. Beat him on the first attempt where I managed to reach his third health bar. At the end I had no resurrection, no gourds left, no pellets left, I'd used my last rice ball. Only healthing I had left was the rice of the Senpou child.

Also, I assume he's supposed to be The Sculptor.
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Squall28
07/11/20 7:47:01 AM
#190:


Who are your top 3 hardest bosses?

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DeadBankerDream
07/11/20 7:57:41 AM
#191:


Sword Saint is the hardest, easily.

After that I'm not really sure. I'd probably say Guardian Ape and Genichiro Ashina.
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DeadBankerDream
07/11/20 8:20:17 AM
#192:


Running around killing ghosts. Sure wish I'd had some of these items before >_>

I just assumed they'd give prayer beads.
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DeadBankerDream
07/11/20 9:02:29 AM
#193:


Just to be clear, there's no other bosses I can fight in my current playthrough, right?

Anything in particular I should do before NG+? I'm probably gonna look up a few things, like if I've missed any prayer beads, esoteric texts, or such. And probably what is up with the child on Senpou as well as the doctor in the dungeon. Or the location of fulminated mercury, as that stuff seems rare as shit.

Do I need to consider alternative endings for the game as soon as I start a new playthrough or can I do the stuff fairly late on? From my understanding there's I think 4 different endings and one of them is siding with Owl, which is definitely the one I'm going for next as it seems the most significantly different one, from a narrative perspective.
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Squall28
07/11/20 9:30:43 AM
#194:


That's pretty much it besides getting all the items. Make sure you get all the mini-bosses. You don't have to go for too much if you just want to do with that ending. A lot of side quests can't be done anymore because they have windows you have to do stuff.

Carp scales do respawn.

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Ruddager
07/11/20 10:11:25 AM
#195:


For the other 2 endings you don't have to worry about anything until after you beat Owl at Ashina Castle. But IMMEDIATELY after you do beat him you should look up a guide for the exact steps to take
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skermac
07/11/20 10:13:15 AM
#196:


No such thing as a soulsbornekiro game, lol @ people making up their own terms like its a thing

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Darkninja42
07/11/20 10:33:27 AM
#197:


That reminds me that one of these days I need to go back and beat Demon of Hatred since I cheesed him when I fought him.

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DeadBankerDream
07/11/20 10:55:46 AM
#198:


I've heard the term "cheese" regarding fights used several times when reading about Sekiro, but I honestly have no idea what cheeses exist other than to deaggro enemies and then backstab them when they turn away.
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ThePieReborn
07/11/20 11:06:03 AM
#199:


Firecrackers are a notorious mechanism for stunlocking bosses/mini-bosses. The burn status is also fairly prevalent in allowing easy openings to pile damage on.

Beyond that, there are also times when boss AI decides to loop on itself for... whatever reason. Lady Butterfly comes to mind on this front, since she's prone to locking herself into a block->block->deflect->counter->repeat loop if you do the R1 mashing.

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ZeldaMutant
07/11/20 12:30:20 PM
#200:


Both Demon of Gyoubu and Hatred the Demon can be cheesed in the same way, since they're in the same arena. It's done by jumping from a tower to a building, which makes the boss run off the arena into the pit and die.

Many corrupted monk phases can be backstabbed with clever jumping and item usage.

Some bosses can be baited into a corner where they can't effectively fight you if you're in the right position.

For the other 2 endings you don't have to worry about anything until after you beat Owl at Ashina Castle. But IMMEDIATELY after you do beat him you should look up a guide for the exact steps to take
They're not that hard to get if you have an idea where to try.
  • For one of the endings, you need to eavesdrop on Kuro/Emma/Sculptor and talk with Emma in a couple places until she gives you a key item, which unlocks some stuff.
  • For the other ending you basically need to eat a lot of rice and visit the rice girl a lot.
Both quests require Kuro to be accessible for some of the steps, so you want to do them before beating the Divine Dragon, which causes the invasion of Ashina.

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Tsuyoi3
07/11/20 9:36:22 PM
#201:


"Ghost" monk can be cheesed by sneaking the outer edge of the arena to get behind. Then use all the snap seeds and dirt to knock her backward toward you.
If you don't aggro, one can jump off a nearby structure for an insta stealth kill

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