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Emeraldegg
06/10/20 12:38:26 AM
#101:


Last update for the night, man that was a long session. Turn 184. Many things have happened since the last update:
-We ran into France, who is situated from what I can best tell, in where Europe would be.
-China founded the world congress, allowing us to discover the final civ, Egypt, who is situated below France. The two countries are at war.
-Portugal, Austria, and China have all denounced each other. Portugal has declared war on Austria, and China is plotting against Portugal. India denounced China and Portugal.
-Our spy has stolen THREE techs from China's capital of Beijing with them none the wiser. The man is a god it seems. Perhaps China is too focused on wonders to protect their cities from espionage.
-Our economy is burgeoning, with the East India Company expected to help our income increase drastically once we max out our trading ships. We are the happiest nation in the world as well! We are routinely keeping around 500 gold in stock to help buy buildings to catch the newer cities up in terms of infrastructure. Faith-wise, we have a modest intake, mostly garnered from friendly city-states. We did found Protestantism though, and have already enhanced it. All in all, as long as China doesn't pull a Poland this early, I like our chances at catching the field and increasing our score. Being sort of tucked away from the rest of the world right now has allowed us to forgo military expenses in favor of building our cities.
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Emeraldegg
06/11/20 10:17:34 PM
#102:


And we're back! The politics of the world are starting to take hold. The Maria War ended soon after it started, but Austria Maria is once again plotting to begin it anew. Meanwhile, Portugal declared war on China and actually seemed to be taking it to them, getting one of their newer cities down to half health, but that war did not last long as well as they have made peace. India and China do not like each other, India doesn't like Austria as well. France and Egypt are STILL at war with each other, with no imminent conclusion. Indonesia is just kinda sitting there.

Our uber spy continues to leak intel from Beijing, he's up to 5 stolen techs without China catching on. Someone is stealing technology from our capital, but we are working on a constabulary to try and put a stop to that, as we're keeping the spy at Beijing as long as possible.
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Emeraldegg
06/11/20 10:45:28 PM
#103:


We just discovered the likely history of the French-Egyptian War. The Egyptian city of Heliopolis is currently a puppet state under the City-State of Almaty, who are an ally of the French. Given its close proximity to French lands, France likely initiated a land grab war against Egypt and Almaty overwhelmed their city, so Egypt is likely loathe to end the war or else they'll be ending their chances of getting that city back. Honestly, i don't like egypt's chances for lasting much longer, they are last in almost every metric in the demographics.

Meanwhile, our playing nice with everyone has allowed us to have a robust trading market. Our treasury is starting to bring in more funds thanks to investing in trade routes. Although pesky pirates have caused a minor headache, we are simply staying away from their area for the time being, there are plenty of lucrative options elsewhere.
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Emeraldegg
06/11/20 11:02:22 PM
#104:


Austria and China have joined forces to declare war on Portugal, but I don't really have any idea how that's going. No cities are under siege currently, at least.

Meanwhile, Austria is challenging China for the top spot, they have taken control of 2 city states in quick succession through marriage (their special civ trait).
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 12:53:28 AM
#105:


Austria is definitely starting to worry me. They have bought like 6 or 7 city states. I am in no position to go to war with them. And the biggest civ that could take them on, China, is currently friends with them.

On the bright side, a science victory isn't looking out of hand at the moment, and I'm sure China will turn on Austria soon enough. If not, France certainly will once Egypt eventually falls, france is always up for a good war or two, right?
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 6:38:42 PM
#106:


https://i.imgur.com/ydsS4vx.png

A snapshot of the current state of the world. Austria isn't ruling a whole continent "yet" but it's getting there.
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 7:47:03 PM
#107:


At last, some action! We decided that the lone Egyptian city of Thebes was a very desirable location, so we decided to stop resting on our laurels and playing nice, and take what's ours! We built a small fleet of frigates and privateers and, which some help from our French allies, succeeded in smiting Egypt from this land for good! GLORY IS OURS!
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 8:32:07 PM
#108:


We have entered the modern era, which means we can start voting on world leaders periodically! There has been a lot of jockeying for favor with city states amongst China, Portual, and Austria, and we have entered the mix ourselves. However, for the time being, we decided to cast our hosting votes with our good friend Indonesia, both as a means to indebt them, and to keep it out of any of the 3 aforementioned civ's hands.

Our uber spy has officially moved on from China as we have eclipsed them in research, and are in fact sitting close behind austria for first in the literacy department. Meanwhile, we have another spy sitting in HQ on the lookout for any enemy spies, and a 3rd spy attempting to rig some city state elections as a means to help us get in the diplomacy game.

We chose to follow the order ideology, as China had gone with autocracy and Portugal had gone with order. Our culture would inevitably crumble if we tried to go out on our own with Freedom so we decided to still get an early adopter bonus with order. However, our tourism has increased multiple times over with the addition of the relics we got when we took control of Thebes.

For the time being, we are focusing our efforts in raising funds and the overall betterment of our cities, rather than building up an army. While the thirst for blood can only be quelled for so long, we don't want to set the entire world against us. China is angry with us but the rest of the world are on good terms, we don't want to ruin that right now.

Edit: Scratch that, austria is upset with us for differing ideologies, and india is upset by our warmongering.
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 8:42:27 PM
#109:


And now a most troubling development, both Austria and China have once again teamed up, this time against France. There is Austrian territory all around France, and one of their cities has already come under a light attack.
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 9:53:23 PM
#110:


The time has come. Austria overran France's front lines and captured their city of Lyon after a long time starving them. Portugal and Indonesia both approached me about going to war with them, and I agreed in 10 turns. Luckily I have some funds built up in the treasury, and the overall production of my empire has really gotten higher since I've built factories in them. I feel liek I can pump out at least a token force in those 10 turns. That will make France, Indonesia, Portugal, and us Danes all against Austria. Now is the perfect time to try and take back some of Austria's overwhelming territory.

As for the strategy, I think I'm going to make my primary target the former city-state of Ragusa, as they're easily accessible on the coast for my already existing navy.
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Emeraldegg
06/12/20 11:23:25 PM
#111:


We haven't made much headway in terms of territory in the Alliance War, but we have made quite a dent in their logistics, as we have ships cutting their territories in two, with the ships sitting in the canal between them picking off units.

The issue is that Ragusa and Florence, two coastal city states that were our primary targets, suddenly ramped up their city defense to where our current forces were inadequate. However, we now have battleships, and have switched our target to Hong Kong, which currently sits north of us and next to Indonesia. Indonesia has been pelting Hong Kong consistently, so we have decided make that our new immediate target for our remade military to speed that invasion up, as we have deemed it wiser to focus on targets one at a time as a group.

Meanwhile, Portugal took over the city-state of Bogota, who was allied with Austria. Hopefully our new strategy leads to better results, before our allies decide to end the conflict.

While all of this is going on, the International Games are going on! We have decided to dedicate two of our cities to that, we should be able to reap some good rewards from that. Meanwhile, Copenhagen will continue battleship production, while Thebes will continue building itself up as a city. It still has a bit of catching up to do after its conquering.
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LinkMarioSamus
06/13/20 6:38:12 AM
#112:


I hate city-states and one unit per tile enough to the point I have no interest in taking Civ5 out for another go anytime soon.

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Emeraldegg
06/14/20 5:51:02 PM
#113:


Picking up where we left off, we diverted our navy to attack the coastal city of Hong Kong and help our Indonesian allies. We ran into a bit of a bump after stumbling on a small force of Austrian submarines, but they were taken care of in short order. Although most of the work was done by Indonesia, we decided to finish off HK and take it for ourselves. We have done much for Indonesia, so although they may eventually covet this land, they'll just have to get over it.

In the meantime, the Alliance may be starting to fracture, as Portugal is plotting against Indonesia. Hopefully we can stay together a while longer, long enough to rein Austria in. The upcoming world congress votes should help us, as the 2 proposals on the table are to embargo both Austria and China. That should force them to be more limited in their trade options, which will hopefully affect their economy.

Also, Austria was so unhappy due to everyone else but China following the order ideology that they revolted and forced their government into order.

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Emeraldegg
06/14/20 6:44:05 PM
#114:


Indonesia has left the war, but I do not begrudge them as the entirety of their conflict was against Hong Kong. Now that Hong Kong is no longer under Austrian control, they don't really have any other forces near the conflict.

Meanwhile, the embargoes passed congress, so now Austria and China are embargoed, which is a double whammy because it means they can no longer trade with each other either. They are pretty much limited to city states that aren't at war with them, the total of which can probably be counted on one hand.
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Emeraldegg
06/14/20 7:23:44 PM
#115:


The Alliance War has come to a conclusion. Portugal abandoned their attack on the real-world equivalent of Australia, seemingly content with their earlier acquisition of Bogota from Austria. France left the war soon after, ungrateful curs. I spent many turns bombarding their former city of Lyon, and rather than press the attack and take it back themselves, they retreat to lick their wounds. Eventually however, I was able to move a melee unit (a scout) over to take Lyon over, which I promptly ceded back to France, if for nothing else than to let them take the brunt of any potential further conflict. Additionally...

We succeeded in taking the coastal city of Ragusa, formerly a city-state wed to Austria. Breaching their defenses was no trouble at all, however they had a rather large amount of military forces ready to re-take the city once i captured it the first time. It took several turns to get another ironclad over there and take it back, this time with the full naval might of my battleships ready to mow down the Austrian army as they approached. Once we took ragusa for good, and took Lyon, we immediately negotiated a cease-fire to prevent retaliation. In total, Austria lost Bogota, Hong Kong, Lyon, and Ragusa from their territory. A successful campaign!

The World congress has graduated to nominating world leaders on alternating sessions. Austria was going to become host, with ourselves being 2 votes short, so we decided to put our votes towards keeping Indonesia host, as they are among our closest friends, and doing so keeps Austria out of the seat of power.
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HanOfTheNekos
06/14/20 8:16:21 PM
#116:


Where was Ragusa?

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Emeraldegg
06/14/20 9:18:09 PM
#117:


North coast of real life europe
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Emeraldegg
06/15/20 6:24:41 PM
#118:


So with us transitioning into the endgame, let's take a look at the state of the world shall we?
Score order:
China > Austria > Denmark > Portugal > France > Indonesia > India
China and Austria are neck and neck, as are Denmark and Portugal, and France and Indonesia. India is in a bad way, I feel like their starting spot up in the north pole basically was atrocious.

Politically, we are still friends with almost everyone (including austria!), but China has denounced everyone. Even Austria, it's labeled them as having backstabbed Austria, so maybe they will turn on each other.

In terms of victory conditions, we are a few techs behind Austria, but not massively like we were with Poland. We currently have the 2nd most delegates in the world congress, and we are seeing some continual jockeying from several civs, so that should be interesting. We are in the lead for domination since we destroyed Egypt, but I don't anticipate going for a dom victory. The resources needed would be too high. Culturally, we are a distant 3rd behind Austria and China, but we are no slouches ourselves, so I don't anticipate either of them achieving a culture victory before science/diplomacy happens. If I absolutely have to, I have an advantage culturally because I have maxed out the Aesthetics policy tree, so we get bonuses to our tourism that most other civs won't.

https://i.imgur.com/qJOEBRQ.png

Here is a shot of the main battleground of the Alliance War, btw. You can see Ragusa at the top left and Lyon in the middle, the issue I was running into was that I initially tried to sail my forces in that narrow channel next to Florence, but I didn' realize that cities stopped unit movement the same way enemy units do. So what ended up happening was my ships would get pounded in a neat line before they could cross florence into the channel's safety. I managed to sneak one frigate and one submarine in there before calling off the attack and focusing on Hong Kong, then Ragusa. Meanwhile, I sent up some artillery and gatling guns up from Thebes (located in south africa) through friendly french territory to pelt Lyon and help defend Paris until I decided to move a scout there and take Lyon and end the war.
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Emeraldegg
06/15/20 8:05:34 PM
#119:


Okay everyone, you can laugh at me for this. Usually when I play civ, my capital is my main trade city. However, in this game, Aarhus has the east india company so I put all the cargo ships there. As a result, because there's no trading in the capital, I neglected to build a harbor until it clicked in my head a couple of turns ago...I didn't realize that the capital needed a harbor with the other cities in order to form a city connection. I thought my game was legit bugged because I had harbors everywhere but the capital...so I built a harbor and lo and behold, like 4 city connections happened! I'm so friggin dumb.

Also Indonesia and Portugal declared war on China, and Portugal took China's coastal city where real life china would be.

We got the 3rd tier of the Order Ideology, though I was tempted to go with +34% tourism to order civs (aka everyone but china) with less happiness than me (I have 60+ happiness), we decided to go with the ability to finish spaceship parts with great engineers, as Austria and us are the only ones who have completed the apollo program. So I think we're gonna officially go for a science victory.
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Emeraldegg
06/15/20 9:05:03 PM
#120:


Portugal must have been stomping China because China's city where Russia would be was at half health before China negotiated a cease-fire. Soon after, Austria turned against its former ally and declared war, prompting China to cease war against Indonesia as well.

We are the first to get a spaceship part! I am pretty much devoting most of my cities to research at this point, we are raking in 300+ gold per turn and we still have our navy near Ragusa, as well as a couple of scout ships over by hong kong, thebes, and copenhagen. If someone tries to sneak attack me, I will simply buy out units to counter. Also, China threatened us with an atomic bomb so we built one of our own, just in case. The Alliance showed fear in response, but we have done more than should be necessary to gain their favor, so they should be fine. We are starting to get a couple of "They covet lands youc urrently own" though, so it's a situation to monitor.
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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 12:42:48 AM
#121:


The game is nearing a conclusion, as I am closing in on the last tech I need to complete a science victory. On top of building the hubble space telescope, which gives me a free spaceship victory, I've got Copenhagen and Thebes ready to go with Nuclear Plants to help with production once techs are ready. Meanwhile, a lot has happened in the world.

Portugal, indonesia, and india all declared war on China, and Portugal has them down to their last city. China is done for, so what do they do? NUKE THE HELL OUT OF INDIA. Holy **** they nuked 2 of their 3 cities, good riddance China. I would be pretty scared of Portugal at this point because they own most of Asia, but with them so far away from me and me being so close to a spaceship, they wouldn't have enough time even if they hated me. On top of that, Maria v Maria round 2 is gonna be happening soon, so that'll be the perfect distraction.

Edit: AND THEY JUST NUKED THEIR OWN FORMER CAPITAL OF BEIJING

Double edit: Noooooo, our uber spy that basically stole all of China was finally killed trying to steal from Austria. Dude almost made it the whole game. o7 Mette, o7
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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 1:31:14 AM
#122:


THE DANES ARE VICTORIOUS

We did it! We completed a spaceship and won the game! France was making a powerplay for a citystate so I guess we'll never know if they'd have taken Almaty/Heliopolis. Still amazed at China just going ham at the end. We ended the game 3rd in score behind Austria and Portugal, who took a huge jump after taking Beijing and their like 20 world wonders.

Thoughts on the game, I think that's the last time I'm gonna play on Earth because it's predictable, unless I do random. It kinda took some suspense out of my favorite part of the game, exploration, because I could guess the general locations of the landmasses. Key moment, definitely managing to get France/Portugal/Indonesia/Denmark vs Portugal going, as that reined in Austria just enough for the win. They were pretty close as it was to a science AND diplomatic victory, there's no telling how much 4 extra cities would have helped.
Updated standings:

Beaten the game:
Germany
Netherlands
Sweden
Poland
Denmark

Failed:
Aztecs (2nd place)

So what next? I won't be starting a new game tonight but let's go ahead and roll for the next civ! I already decided I'll be playing on the Fractal game map for this one:
*rolls*
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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 1:40:45 AM
#123:


Isabella of Spain! Not very familiar with them, let's take a look!
Civ ability: 7 Cities of Gold -- Get 100 gold each time you discover a natural wonder, 500 if you're the first to discover it. Double happiness, culture, and tile yields from discovering natural wonders.

Special units:
Tercio (replaces Musketman): Extra combat strength (26 v 24), bonus vs mounted units (like a pikeman), slightly more expensive in production. (so basically a combo of a pikeman and a musketman, though the pikeman trait is lost when the unit is upgraded)
Conquistador (replaces Knight): Mounted, extra sight (2 extra spaces), double strength when in water, no penalty attacking cities, slightly more expensive in production. CAN SETTLE CITIES!!

Holy cow, a combat unit that doubles as a settler, that sounds super neat. They sound like an exploration based civ which, as I pointed out in the previous post, I like exploration! I hope I get some use out of these units, as the denmark game I not once used either special unit. I am pretty psyched about this.
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azuarc
06/16/20 2:35:16 AM
#124:


ShatteredElysium posted...
EDIT: Oh I see why I was under that impression. Seems after googling most of my Civ playthroughs occurred on Civ 1 and 2 (mainly 2). So by the time I played again on a newer version years later, I never bothered to try anything else as I wasn't aware of the extra win conditions.

Even the original game had the space race victory. You had to build the Apollo Project, and then anybody could build spaceship parts. But that's only something you can do in the extreme late game.

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Omniscientless
06/16/20 3:05:45 AM
#125:


Just wanted to say I love love loooove this whole topic. Keep it up. The write-ups are super entertaining.

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5tarscream
06/16/20 8:20:08 AM
#126:


Seems fitting to win a science victory with Bluetooth

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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 9:43:09 AM
#127:


Indeed, the power of wireless headsets compels me!
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Ultimaphazon
06/16/20 11:23:39 AM
#128:


Spain is possibly the biggest all-or-nothing civ in the game. If you start the game close to a good wonder, which you are first to discover, the game is basically already won after 10 turns. 500 Gold early on is HUGE. On the other hand, if there are no natural wonders nearby, you're basically playing a civ with no passive, since a few hundred gold over the course of an entire game is meaningless.

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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 11:30:56 AM
#129:


Is there a particular thing the gold should be used on that early?
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HanOfTheNekos
06/16/20 11:32:52 AM
#130:


gold please

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Ultimaphazon
06/16/20 2:48:28 PM
#131:


A second Settler that early is probably the most useful thing to get.

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Black_Hydras
06/16/20 3:53:57 PM
#132:


Yeah, you just buy a second settler and now you're a deity ai

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Emeraldegg
06/16/20 11:56:05 PM
#133:


Alright so let's get started! We spawn on the coast with quite a good tileset in the immediate vicinity. Flood plains for lots of food, 2 gold tiles, and 1 marble tile. There is desert farther out but hey, good for the short game. We send out warrior south east and OH HEY IT'S ULURU (for those not familiar with Civ, it's a natural wonder that gives food and faith).

100 gold

...oh. Someone found it already on turn FIVE. We continue on that same direction and discover that it's the Shoshone. Great. Gonna be starved for territory early on unless I can pump out another settler pronto.

In addition, While there appear to be fertile lands to the east of Uluru, Uluru itself is squished in between city states to the north and south of it. I really doubt I'll be able to get a city in that location fast enough and be able to buy the tiles necessary fast enough. We'll see I guess. It's only turn 10!
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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 12:21:59 AM
#134:


Uluru is ours after all!...but at what cost?

https://i.imgur.com/YuCUVqo.png

That is a heckin cramped city. I hope it works out, I have a feeling the Shoshone will not be very happy with me. How did I get the settler fast enough you ask? Thank the liberty policy tree!

We ran into America, The Iroquois, The Ottomans, and Poland (again!) in short order. My capital is to the northwest, the Shoshone to the southeast, America to the west, Iroquois to the southwest, and Poland to the south. Quite a populated continent! I have several scouts out, and I went ahead and researched sailing to send a trireme out, to hunt for more natural wonders.
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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 1:07:23 AM
#135:


So we discovered the final 2 civs, Japan and China off further west of America.

We've been having some barbarian trouble, and one stole one of my workers. The Shoshone then managed to garner and eternal grudge by swooping in at the last second, clearing the encampment, and taking my worker and not returning it. They will pay in time, but I am not happy.

I'm not super thrilled with any remaining known locations for our 3rd city. The plains below Madrid look like the best/easiest option, but I really want a coastal city that borders the lower waters, as we appear to be landlocked by ice in the waters near Madrid.

We also founded the first religion, thanks to Uluru granting +20 faith per turn (we took the pantheon that goes off natural wonders, which I read stacks with Spain's passive).
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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 1:29:46 AM
#136:


Yep, this game is very frustrating so far. Just as I start working on a settler, the shoshone settle the plains south of Madrid. They are so dead.
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Raka_Putra
06/17/20 1:51:15 AM
#137:


Yay for the Danes!

And good luck with the current campaign. It must be frustrating having so many civs on one landmass as Spain...

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Evillordexdeath
06/17/20 8:03:51 AM
#138:


Should've just conquered Bratislava IMO.

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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 11:07:33 AM
#139:


Well, I probably waited too long to get a worker and improve some resources, cause I spent a good chunk of time unhappy last night, so I wanted to get my empire under control before I focused on military. Also, barbarians, despite my downplaying them, had been a real nuisance as well.

I think part of the reason I was so frustrated last night, besides the Shoshone, was that I was expecting multiple continents (as the ingame description of Fractal says "often forms long, snaky continents) but instead this appears to be one giant landmass with nary an island even, so I spent all this time searching the coasts for a suitable spot and there's literally no room to do so. It's just not what I'm used to. But I will persevere, part of this project is getting out of my comfort zone, need to get used to land-only play.

I'm also at a crossroads on where to proceed policy-wise. I maxed out tradition, I'm torn between Honor or Piety. Honor to help with my hopefully imminent invasion of the Shoshone, Piety to help press my current religion advantage. I'm a bit timid on a faith build because I never really make faith a focus, I usually get it all from city states and just use it to purchase great people or happiness buildings, I've never really been in a spot where I could press it before.
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Maniac64
06/17/20 11:31:30 AM
#140:


Probably a dumb question but how do you get the luxury resource pics to show up on that view?

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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 11:45:00 AM
#141:


I'm not sure quite what you mean? If you're asking how to tell which are luxury resources, afaik you just kinda have to know if you aren't playing the game which ones are. In game, it tells you what's what when you hover over it.

In that picture, right below Barcelona is Spices. Immediately to the top left is Sugar. The gold rings are Gold. The oranges off to the left are Citrus. At the very top next to the gold is Furs. Everything else is strategic resources, which are still useful but they are more for improving your empire's food/production than they are about granting happiness.
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ShatteredElysium
06/17/20 11:47:48 AM
#142:


I think he's saying that when he looks at that view, the luxury resources don't show up and he wants to know how you get them to show up
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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 11:56:42 AM
#143:


If the icons for the resources aren't physically showing up in the picture where I described them, there's not much I can do. They show up for me. I can of course take another one later but like, if it's in the picture, but they aren't visible to him for some reason, then I can't really fix that.
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Evillordexdeath
06/17/20 11:58:31 AM
#144:


I know that's an option in the game's settings. If you open your main menu and go into settings you can find it. Unfortunately I can tell you exactly what the option is called or which tab it's under.

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Maniac64
06/17/20 12:00:05 PM
#145:


No your picture is fine.

I mean when I am playing and using that view I don't get the images showing nearby luxury resources like what is shown in your screenshot.

Like I can only know a resource is there by scrolling over/clicking the tile or just recognizing what the tile would look like. The little gold ring/sheep/orange/etc icons aren't there.

Your view seems way more helpful.

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paulg235
06/17/20 12:01:00 PM
#147:


It's strategic view. You can toggle it on ingame clicking one of the icons next to the mini map.

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Maniac64
06/17/20 12:01:56 PM
#148:


paulg235 posted...
It's strategic view. You can toggle it on ingame clicking one of the icons next to the mini map.

Got it thanks.

I must have forgotten about that in one of my long gaps between playing.

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Emeraldegg
06/17/20 12:02:39 PM
#149:


Hmmm, interesting. According to the internet, you can either hit "ctrl+r" or at the bottom right of the screen next to the map, there should be some sort of icon that looks like paper or a list and you can toggle it from there.

Edit: Paulg to the rescue
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Emeraldegg
06/18/20 12:09:24 AM
#150:


Okay well, after some time building up an army of catapults to seige the Shoshone with, they decided THEY needed more living space, and are trying a hostile takeover. Guess it's a good thing I built those units, and now I have an excuse to wipe them from the face of the continent.
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Emeraldegg
06/18/20 12:20:30 AM
#151:


Well that went poorly. Somehow, the Shoshone turned Milan against me and they squished Barcelona and took it over. Tremendous, game's going great.

For now, I'm going to build up forces and go directly south for Goshute, in the plains that should have been mine in the first place.
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