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darkphoenix181
06/02/20 1:17:40 PM
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CreepySmile
06/02/20 1:18:25 PM
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Taken together with prior research showing that extreme protest actions can be effective for applying pressure to institutions

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Funkydog
06/02/20 1:18:27 PM
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So what do you propose when peaceful protesting and voting has only generated hatred, or even just killed those doing it?

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viewmaster_pi
06/02/20 1:18:37 PM
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no shit, but rioters never cared about that anyway

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darkphoenix181
06/02/20 1:19:02 PM
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Funkydog posted...
So what do you propose when peaceful protesting and voting has only generated hatred, or even just killed those doing it?

I don't propose anything. I just shared what I saw on reddit.
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Questionmarktarius
06/02/20 1:19:06 PM
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Just blocking a freeway will instantly sour support for your cause, especially for the people trying to drive down the freeway.
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s0nicfan
06/02/20 1:19:37 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...


https://www.psypost.org/2020/05/new-psychology-research-finds-extreme-protest-actions-reduce-popular-support-for-social-movements-56906

The new study is in line with research that analyzed all mass uprisings around the world between 1945-2014, finding that nonviolent campaigns were more successful at bringing about large-scale political transformation than violent campaigns.

Won't stop people from claiming you need to burn a few buildings to make change, but I guess if they want to be the "flat earthers" of protesting nobody can stop them.

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seqntenialbeast
06/02/20 1:20:44 PM
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the cop that killed Floyd will be tried regardless of looters and rioters.

Protests are about being self-righteous and looting/rioting is about thieves capitalizing on chaos

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the-obiwan
06/02/20 1:21:35 PM
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CreepySmile posted...
Taken together with prior research showing that extreme protest actions can be effective for applying pressure to institutions


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SapphireClassic
06/02/20 1:21:49 PM
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No shit
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Tyranthraxus
06/02/20 1:23:13 PM
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seqntenialbeast posted...
the cop that killed Floyd will be tried regardless of looters and rioters.
Incorrect. He was originally only fired. If he was going to be charged regardless he'd have gone straight to a jail cell, not stayed in his home.

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LordRazziel
06/02/20 1:24:26 PM
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@COVxy
Care to lend a trained eye to this research?

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CreepySmile
06/02/20 1:25:12 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
COVxy
Care to lend a trained eye to this research?
lmfao that's good. Just get dragoonzero in too

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GrandConjuraton
06/02/20 1:25:32 PM
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Convenient timing.

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COVxy
06/02/20 1:32:43 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
@COVxy
Care to lend a trained eye to this research?

It's not on sci-hub yet, so I'll take a glance next time I'm VPNing into work. Nothing in the abstract seems outrageous. Though the data with which these inferences were made might be a bit artificial, if I were to guess.

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Thompson
06/02/20 1:34:30 PM
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Well, duh. If a group does inexcusably dumb stuff, people won't like that group.

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umax555
06/02/20 1:34:38 PM
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CreepySmile posted...
Taken together with prior research showing that extreme protest actions can be effective for applying pressure to institutions
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The thing is, there's no specific, tangible thing the riots are trying to get the government to do. It's not as simple as getting the government to pass a law, give a group the right to vote, etc. This is a really deep-rooted problem in our system that the government can't instantly make go away, no matter how much pressure there is. Racist piece of s*** cops will continue to be racist piece of s*** cops despite the riots, and incidents like this will most likely continue to happen, unfortunately. So I'm not sure rioting will accomplish much other than increase animosity.

I'd love to be wrong and see things actually change because of these riots. I just don't know how that would happen.
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CarrieChan
06/02/20 1:37:34 PM
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No shit. Taking the anger out on businesses and people who have nothing to do with problem is not going to gather support for the cause.
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IHeartRadiation
06/02/20 2:30:37 PM
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Even a 15 year old knows this.

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Lordgold666
06/02/20 2:31:26 PM
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No shit

In other news, water is wet

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Vyrulisse
06/02/20 2:31:58 PM
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That's why people who want to harm the protests themselves are out there fanning the flames and encouraging this destructive activity

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NeonOctopus
06/02/20 2:32:27 PM
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No shit >_> No one wants to associate with an opinion that has loud rowdy people constantly yelling at everything

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COVxy
06/03/20 1:00:40 PM
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COVxy posted...
It's not on sci-hub yet, so I'll take a glance next time I'm VPNing into work. Nothing in the abstract seems outrageous. Though the data with which these inferences were made might be a bit artificial, if I were to guess.

Yeah, I quickly reading through the methods and results, the results here are pretty solid. There's a couple of things to keep in mind though: they have people reading stories on their computer about different fictitious protests and then have people rating their support and whatnot. It's hard to say how much this actually translates to real issues, and how much participants are simply playing the role. The second thing is that these were primarily studies run over the internet using Mechanical Turk, and it's reasonable to have suspicions about how high quality that data actually is, given the pool and the motivations.

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Balrog0
06/03/20 1:06:19 PM
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I mean, I generally believe that myself, but this kind of thing isn't determinative. The way I think about it is that these things are all highly contingent and it's hard to make blanket statements without big qualifications.

One thing I think about is, what's the goal? Maybe it's true that peaceful protests generate more likes on social media even though violence is more effective because violence is less socially acceptable. That seems plausible. It's hard to tell what shit works and when and how


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Antifar
06/03/20 1:10:14 PM
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There is also polling to suggest that way more people believe that police are more likely to use force against black people now than during the BLM protests of 2014 and 15.
https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1267976629118214144

Similarly, there were big shifts in the years following those protests in how many people said more needed to be done to establish rights.
https://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

This can't be attributed solely to protests, of course, but
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Balrog0
06/03/20 1:12:33 PM
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Antifar posted...
There is also polling to suggest that way more people believe that police are more likely to use force against black people now than during the BLM protests of 2014 and 15.
https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/1267976629118214144
Maybe that's more a product of years of videos, but

I'm a little concerned that the 2016 numbers are based on registered voters but that's very interesting

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COVxy
06/03/20 1:12:53 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
I mean, I generally believe that myself, but this kind of thing isn't determinative. The way I think about it is that these things are all highly contingent and it's hard to make blanket statements without big qualifications.

Yeah, the generalizability and implications are all hard to nail down. Tbf to the researchers though, they did vary the context of their vignettes quite a bit across the 6 studies, and found pretty much the same thing every time. They also looked explicitly for moderators across a couple of the studies and didn't successfully identify anything.

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Balrog0
06/03/20 1:28:43 PM
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Oh yeah I trust your judgment of the research as far as it goes. I guess my concern is more that I don't think protests, violent or not, are really capable of affecting change in a vacuum. I know people understand that, but once you start to think about the other moving parts it just gets really hard to say what works imo

Like violence is never going to help you generate public support, I do believe that. But social change isn't just about popular support, that's just one element of it

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LordRazziel
06/04/20 1:03:54 AM
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COVxy posted...
Yeah, I quickly reading through the methods and results, the results here are pretty solid. There's a couple of things to keep in mind though: they have people reading stories on their computer about different fictitious protests and then have people rating their support and whatnot. It's hard to say how much this actually translates to real issues, and how much participants are simply playing the role. The second thing is that these were primarily studies run over the internet using Mechanical Turk, and it's reasonable to have suspicions about how high quality that data actually is, given the pool and the motivations.

Thanks for the insight.

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