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umax555
05/31/20 1:15:54 PM
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I 100% agree with the message of BLM. But I also feel like the riots are stupid, dangerous, and not helping the cause in any way (probably doing the opposite actually).
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PostCrisisJ2
05/31/20 1:17:38 PM
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contrary to what the majority of social media says, yes.

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PCgamingIS_Best
05/31/20 1:19:14 PM
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Y3s.

Rioting is the opposite of what MLK Jr taught.
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averagejoel
05/31/20 1:21:11 PM
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no

umax555 posted...
But I also feel like the riots are stupid, dangerous, and not helping the cause in any way (probably doing the opposite actually).
well they are dangerous. that's 1/3

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umax555
05/31/20 1:22:12 PM
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averagejoel posted...
no

well they are dangerous. that's 1/3

Please explain how they're helping the cause
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spudger
05/31/20 1:23:28 PM
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PostCrisisJ2 posted...
contrary to what the alt-right on CE says, yes.


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CommonStar
05/31/20 1:24:09 PM
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No, riots are necessary if you want change.
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kg88222
05/31/20 1:24:21 PM
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My friend is Julius Jones. He's the guy who was on CNN. He is a pacifist.
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au_gold
05/31/20 1:24:55 PM
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Of course.

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averagejoel
05/31/20 1:30:12 PM
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umax555 posted...
Please explain how they're helping the cause
destroying random buildings is a demonstrably effective means of protest

it creates an economic and social crisis that the mayor has to deal with. it forces accountability

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umax555
05/31/20 1:30:28 PM
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CommonStar posted...
No, riots are necessary if you want change.

The thing is, in the minds of conservatives, looting and rioting just reinforces the idea that these people are thugs and the police are the good guys. And conservatives are the ones who need to be convinced of BLM's message for there to be any change. Liberals are already on board.
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Antifar
05/31/20 1:31:57 PM
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That's the needle Democratic officials are trying to thread when they make claims about outsiders being responsible for all the property damage
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Antifar
05/31/20 1:37:09 PM
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umax555 posted...
Liberals are already on board

They aren't, though. Minneapolis increased the police budget last year despite community backlash. Multiple prosecutors ran for president as Democrats this cycle.
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CommonStar
05/31/20 1:41:32 PM
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umax555 posted...
The thing is, in the minds of conservatives, looting and rioting just reinforces the idea that these people are thugs and the police are the good guys. And conservatives are the ones who need to be convinced of BLM's message for there to be any change. Liberals are already on board.
Liberals are not already on board. They spent all day yesterday trying to erase the legit grievances of within the communities by pushing the "outside agitator" narrative.
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gunplagirl
05/31/20 1:43:41 PM
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PCgamingIS_Best posted...
Y3s.

Rioting is the opposite of what MLK Jr taught.
It really isn't, though. And hey, he still got assassinated after years of being considered the most hated man in America.

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kg88222
05/31/20 1:45:47 PM
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You can be whatever you want dude. This is America. Or at least should be. It's probably a myth.
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gamer167
05/31/20 1:46:12 PM
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Riots are as necessary for change depending on if the the change suits your politics.

Imagine if the same scale of rioting was going on right now but the politics where reversed. Left and right perception solely on the actual act of rioting would instantly flip flop.

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spudger
05/31/20 1:48:34 PM
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back in 1776 I have a feeling trump supporters would be pro-crown

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umax555
05/31/20 1:48:45 PM
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Antifar posted...
They aren't, though. Minneapolis increased the police budget last year despite community backlash. Multiple prosecutors ran for president as Democrats this cycle.

Regardless, looting is only gonna cause local governments to turn to the police more to try and get them under control. It causes increased animosity between the government and the movement which I can't see being a good thing.
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averagejoel
05/31/20 1:53:52 PM
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hey TC I noticed that you haven't addressed post 13 yet

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umax555
05/31/20 1:56:53 PM
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averagejoel posted...
hey TC I noticed that you haven't addressed post 13 yet

Mayors are gonna "deal" with it by turning to police to quell the protests rather than by making meaningful changes.
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77JPiZg3
05/31/20 1:57:06 PM
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of course i'm against riots; you may as well ask me if i want them to happen. of course i don't.

riots are a symptom and not the disease, though. they are the result of and complication of a much bigger problem. if abusive ideologies are an illness, riots are the antibody.
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umax555
05/31/20 1:59:01 PM
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77JPiZg3 posted...
of course i'm against riots; you may as well ask me if i want them to happen. of course i don't.

riots are a symptom and not the disease, though. they are the result of and complication of a much bigger problem. if abusive ideologies are an illness, riots are the antibody.

This I agree with. I think they're a symptom of a much bigger problem. But they're not a cure.
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77JPiZg3
05/31/20 2:00:23 PM
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they are the best the body has; the 106-degree fever that causes organ failure in trying to fight an infection.
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RetsuZaiZen
05/31/20 2:01:47 PM
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PCgamingIS_Best posted...
Y3s.

Rioting is the opposite of what MLK Jr taught.
@PCgamingIS_Best

His kids say otherwise

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gamer167
05/31/20 2:05:29 PM
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averagejoel posted...
destroying random buildings is a demonstrably effective means of protest

it creates an economic and social crisis that the mayor has to deal with. it forces accountability

So you set the precedent that any group, even those that dont align with your politics, can effect change in their society through destruction. Yeah thats pretty dumb man.
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hockeybub89
05/31/20 2:06:46 PM
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You can. It's just hard to tell legitimate concern from concern trolling these days

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LeperMessiahXX
05/31/20 2:33:20 PM
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I support the movement with all my heart. I can't imagine being an African American in this country and seeing what happened to George Floyd or any of the other number of people killed by cops when there were non violent means to end what was going on. I wish I could say I get what they are feeling, but I can't. I will never understand that because I never lived anything close to something like that, so I can't say what they are feeling is out of line. I do wish cooler heads will prevail in certain situations though. At least target where you riot better. Someone posted a clip from the LA riots in the 90s last night where a black store owner was upset with people who destroyed his store. He came from the ghetto and he made it to where he was, and they took it from him. Leave the innocent people alone. Want to fuck up Wal Mart? I mean I guess go do it, that's a drop in a bucket to them. Some mom and pop shop already struggling with the pandemic shouldn't feel the brunt of this protest.

Ideally they do a peaceful protest, but I can understand why they turned to violence. They've done peaceful protests, and nothing has changed. Even people with a spotlight did a peaceful protest, and their livelihood was taken from them and they were ridiculed. I can only imagine the level of frustration that has been built up. Resorting to violence, especially after such a senseless and sad death, I can understand that. I just wish the world we lived in fixed this problem 50 years ago.

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Roxborough4Ever
05/31/20 2:38:16 PM
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apparently not without being a "racist" who "doesn't understand privilege"

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DevsBro
05/31/20 2:41:17 PM
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PCgamingIS_Best posted...
Y3s.

Rioting is the opposite of what MLK Jr taught.
I think MLKJ would be severely disappointed with the state of the world today. Like, disappointed with pretty much everyone.

I also think he'd want kinds in school in celebration of his birthday.

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Bishop9800
05/31/20 2:41:20 PM
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Yes you can.

I support BLM, but all this rioting is bullshit.

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