Poll of the Day > Do you agree with Canada's decision to classify incel attacks as terrorist attac

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Or is it another example of SJWism running wild in order to justify the oppression of straight white men?

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Wish they would do that here tbqh

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what the hell is an incel attack?

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VeeVees posted...

what the hell is an incel attack?

When an ugly 'unfuckable' guy gets sick and tired of being rejected by girls way above his 'weight-class', he goes on a rampage and kills them en masse....

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VeeVees posted...

what the hell is an incel attack?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings

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How is that not terrorism?

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VeeVees posted...

How is that not terrorism?

The primary point of contention is most incels are white and whether these attacks can be described as politically motivated. Given that there are several instances of incels leaving behind manifestos or openly discussing their desire to politically reform society in a way that they consider to be more just, I would argue that there is a political motivation at work.

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Political? Sometimes, but generally they want girls to start lowering their standards under threat of violence

Idk what incels want, I've never been to their forums. Last time I want to a white supremacy forum just to ask them why they were racist an admin tracked down my facebook and sent me a threatening message... over vpn and new account/email.

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Its definitley terrorism

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VeeVees posted...

How is that not terrorism?

That is terrorism,....but the long lasting implications go further.

If the government is supposed to protect everyone from such events, they would proactively seek out potential "terrorism" threats before they occur.

In the case of Incels, it's only a matter of time before certain special task forces are set up to scour social media profiles and look for "men with little to no female contacts on their friends list" to red-flag; see if they start propagating on about "Chad and Stacey", and how it's unfair they get cast aside in the mating game, and seeing if the subject matter involved misogynistic banter....

The sick thing is, these Incels aren't (totally) wrong, they just go about things the wrong way. It is frustrating trying to find a good woman these days who are not slaves to identity politics or being shallow hypergamous whores..... And it's only tragic that these very same women believe themselves to be blameless, they'd rather vilify the ugly and unstable men, instead of showing an inch of kindness; instead of pushing them so far to the outside and into rabbit holes to the point these same men would shoot up a school or drive a van into a Starbucks as revenge. ...when a real solution would be to help these men find a girl to be with, even if the girl has no interest being with them, just be a friend to them..... but no, that's the not society we live in.

Basically what it's come down to is "Bitches still want to be Bitches" even if it means dragging everyone down into an Orwellian society.

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Joker_X_II posted...

The sick thing is, these Incels aren't (totally) wrong, they just go about things the wrong way. It is frustrating trying to find a good woman these days who are not slaves to identity politics or being shallow hypergamous whores..... And it's only tragic that these very same women believe themselves to be blameless, they'd rather vilify the ugly and unstable men, instead of showing an inch of kindness; instead of pushing them so far to the outside and into rabbit holes to the point these same men would shoot up a school or drive a van into a Starbucks as revenge. ...when a real solution would be to help these men find a girl to be with, even if the girl has no interest being with them, just be a friend to them..... but no, that's the not society we live in.

we got one folks

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Because Bligh isn't interested in providing any context:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/05/21/canadian-authorities-incel-terrorism-toronto-massage/5226407002/

What we're talking about is literally a single murder that they want classified as terrorism. At that point, you might as well just declare all murders and violence terrorism because terrorism has lost all meaning.

And perhaps more saliently, details around the incident -- including the defendant's name -- largely haven't been released. All we know is that he stabbed one person and wounded two others, with no details as to whether there was an argument (vs it being premeditated), if the two previously knew each other, etc. Keep in mind that the incident happened *two* months ago so many of the details are known and, if this happened in the US, would have been released. Granted, had he made public statements of intent, it would likely be impossible to cover up. Everything about this is flimsy.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/dufferin-and-wilson-avenue

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uh

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

uh

yeah, that was a bit too dark for me...sorry. Couldn't let you have the last word.

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Zeus posted...

Because Bligh isn't interested in providing any context:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/05/21/canadian-authorities-incel-terrorism-toronto-massage/5226407002/

What we're talking about is literally a single murder that they want classified as terrorism. At that point, you might as well just declare all murders and violence terrorism because terrorism has lost all meaning.

And perhaps more saliently, details around the incident -- including the defendant's name -- largely haven't been released. All we know is that he stabbed one person and wounded two others, with no details as to whether there was an argument (vs it being premeditated), if the two previously knew each other, etc. Keep in mind that the incident happened *two* months ago so many of the details are known and, if this happened in the US, would have been released. Granted, had he made public statements of intent, it would likely be impossible to cover up. Everything about this is flimsy.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/dufferin-and-wilson-avenue

incelgate!

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There's got to be a way to help victims of social and emotional abuse that creates these situations.

dedbus posted...

There's got to be a way to help victims of social and emotional abuse that creates these situations.

Just preach "peace, love, and happiness" and hope for the best.

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

we got one folks

Lmaooo how do these losers exist

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

we got one folks

I work for the FBI. We're backtracing him now

SkynyrdRocker posted...

I work for the FBI. We're backtracing him now

Consequences will never be the same

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Jen0125 posted...

Lmaooo how do these losers exist

Same way you exist. Opposites. That's my point.

Society functions on a zero-sum exchange; everything you take for granted, came at the expense of other people, whether you know it or not. And if you did know it, then you're more of a problem than the "incel" you label.

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Joker_X_II posted...

same way you exist...opposites...that's my point.

We are absolutely not comparable lol

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I don't think raging that you can't get laid and killing people qualifies as politically motivated violence.

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Jen0125 posted...

We are absolutely not comparable lol

Proving the point. Thank you.

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a few millimeters of bone

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Zangulus posted...

What about the people who believe the government should mandate women to have sex with them?

A true "incel" would never ask for that. What they want is "equal opportunity" to court a girl based on the traditional (often romanticized) methods for meeting a girl and starting a relationship. Ugly people just want to be loved too.

IMO, those who claim to want "government mandated sex" is misinformation created by feminist to validate their "misogyny" accusations and cry to the government to protect them against the Incels. As well, again, absolve any responsibility for being a bitch to those who don't follow along with their shallow Barbie dream house fantasies.

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Terrorism is terrorism, regardless of the agenda

Antifa beating people up and setting cars on fire? Terrorists. Protesters brandishing firearms and trying to provoke other people? Also terrorists.

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Mead putting Zeus on ignore? You bet your ass that's terrorism

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Blighboy posted...

Mead putting Zeus on ignore? You bet your ass that's terrorism

Thats a paddlin

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Pretty sure some of the infamous attacks by incels qualifies as terrorism, as they ultimately hope for a societal change through mass fear (I'm assuming).

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Joker_X_II posted...

A true "incel" would never ask for that. What they want is "equal opportunity" to court a girl based on the traditional (often romanticized) methods for meeting a girl and starting a relationship. Ugly people just want to be loved too.

So... to effect broad social change that better aligns the world around them with their views. Sounds pretty political to me, albeit informally so.

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Alek Minassian is absolutely a terrorist. So yes, even if he wasn't charged with terrorism, I would agree with the blanket statement that incel attacks may be terrorist in nature. Just listen to the guy. Listen to him call the Isla Vista shootings, in his own words, a "beta uprising." Listen to him express his belief that if the incels simply murder a certain segment of society then his particular ideological in-group will benefit. He's a violent ideologue by his own account of his own actions. And if this latest case is anything like Minassian's then yes he's a terrorist too.

Interview with Alek Minassian where he describes his disturbing world view.
https://youtu.be/kGFWovUuWak?t=116

Unfortunately there's a lot we don't know about this case. There's a lot we're not allowed to know because the suspect is a minor and Canada has pretty stringent publication laws concerning young offenders. What we do know is that he didn't just pull a pocket knife in a moment of anger. According to a witness who lost a finger in the struggle, he brought a machete to that massage parlor. We know he's been charged with terrorism in addition to murder-1, which means there's some evidence for this. Maybe his facebook profile is full of Elliot Roger shit.

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adjl posted...

So... to effect broad social change that better aligns the world around them with their views. Sounds pretty political to me, albeit informally so.

It's only political if there is group representation speaking to the governing body for the purposes of changing policy.

There is no such group representing "Incels".... so there is no politics involved. And any trace that there is a group is only found on message boards, and are summarily moderated by whatever SJW holds the ban-hammer.

However, there are feminist groups that have gone political and have the ear of the government to help make policies to redefine "terrorism".....but obviously, what's happened is turning the 'ugly people' into second class citizens. Which validates the whole "Femi-nazi" label, feminist get triggered over.

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Joker_X_II posted...

However, there are feminist groups that have gone political and have the ear of the government to help make policies to redefine "terrorism".....but obviously, what's happened is turning the 'ugly people' into second class citizens. Which validates the whole "Femi-nazi" label, feminist get triggered over.

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Ah, Canada. Still doing your best to become the hemorrhoid of the North American continent, I see.
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Joker_X_II posted...

It's only political if there is group representation speaking to the governing body for the purposes of changing policy.

Even if I accept that as true, the ideological underpinnings of terrorist acts don't require any group affiliation. So everything else you said is moot or debatable. Also, I would argue that some incels definitely do share at least a loose set of larval informal political views.

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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Even if I accept that as true, the ideological underpinnings of terrorist acts don't require any group affiliation. So everything else you said is moot or debatable. Also, I would argue that some incels definitely do share at least a loose set of larval informal political views.

By this logic, everyone who touches a keyboard is an Incel.... Basically, "If you have a political opinion, you're an Incel."...its too broad and vague of an opinion, imo.

What's I'm saying is, there is no chartered group of Incels with a specific political focus like other social groups have; like "World Pulse", "Global Fund for Women", "IGLYO", "Iranian Railroad for Queer Refuges", or "NAMBLA".....

They are just in a category of aesthetically "ugly" people who have been bullied out of any running in the mating game, they've become jaded misanthropist....

...they might say stupid things like "mandatory state issued sex" (if at all, feminist are saying the same thing to strike fear into their members too). But what lobby group is there to push such agenda outside the any reddit forum and on to the pulpit?


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Joker_X_II posted...

...they might say stupid things like "mandatory state issued sex" (if at all, feminist are saying the same thing to strike fear into their members too). But what lobby group is there to push such agenda outside the any reddit forum and on to the pulpit?

the terrorists

literally what we're discussing

you seem to be confusing non violent politics with terrorism, when the two are literally the opposite of each other

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Blightzkrieg posted...

the terrorists

literally what we're discussing

you seem to be confusing non violent politics with terrorism, when the two are literally the opposite of each other

Hardly the opposite; it's very similar, the only REAL difference is "one bad day" to push someone over the edge.

I'm pretty sure if you detail your political and religious views, we could find a half dozen militias in the US who think the exactly same way as you. Only difference is they love their 2nd amendment, and are ready to overthrow the government in a moments notice from their trailer parks..... so does that make you a terrorist then?

I'm saying its dismissive and asinine to toss around "terrorist" label upon those who are just simply jaded by love to the point it becomes a mental health issue....


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Mead posted...

Terrorism is terrorism, regardless of the agenda

Antifa beating people up and setting cars on fire? Terrorists. Protesters brandishing firearms and trying to provoke other people? Also terrorists.

Terrorism is explicitly defined as the use of violence to achieve political aims. So Antifa, which uses violence to achieve political aims, falls very clearly under that umbrella (as well as fascism given their anti-free speech rhetoric). Open-brandishing firearms isn't violence and therefore doesn't rise to that definition, even if the protest is politically motivated. And acts of violence not connected to politics at all -- like this case -- clearly doesn't, either.

And if agenda-based violence was enough to constitute terrorism, rioting sports fans would sometimes fit the bill.

Blighboy posted...

Mead putting Zeus on ignore? You bet your ass that's terrorism

Yeah, but now he's not blocking me so I'm "terrorized" by his posts again!

supergamer19 posted...

Pretty sure some of the infamous attacks by incels qualifies as terrorism, as they ultimately hope for a societal change through mass fear (I'm assuming).

Terrorism involves political aims, not simply "societal change;" nor is there any "change" being advocated in many of these attacks. Considering how many attackers associated with the incel movement suffer from mental illness, you might not be even be able to argue any kind of intent at all.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Alek Minassian is absolutely a terrorist. So yes, even if he wasn't charged with terrorism, I would agree with the blanket statement that incel attacks may be terrorist in nature. Just listen to the guy. Listen to him call the Isla Vista shootings, in his own words, a "beta uprising." Listen to him express his belief that if the incels simply murder a certain segment of society then his particular ideological in-group will benefit. He's a violent ideologue by his own account of his own actions.

By that logic, all attacks against a "group" are acts of terrorism -- whether it's racism, sports, sexual preferences, etc -- and thus "terrorism" becomes a meaningless term.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

And if this latest case is anything like Minassian's then yes he's a terrorist too.

Which is hilariously bad speculation, considering the circumstances and how little we know.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Unfortunately there's a lot we don't know about this case. There's a lot we're not allowed to know because the suspect is a minor and Canada has pretty stringent publication laws concerning young offenders. What we do know is that he didn't just pull a pocket knife in a moment of anger. According to a witness who lost a finger in the struggle, he brought a machete to that massage parlor.

Which doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't motivated by a moment of anger.


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Joker_X_II posted...

By this logic, everyone who touches a keyboard is an Incel.... Basically, "If you have a political opinion, you're an Incel."...its too broad and vague of an opinion, imo.

As Tobey Maguire said in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, "...what?"

Do you mean *terrorist, not Incel? like that's still wrong, but at least I can parse a coherent point from it.

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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Do you mean *terrorist, not Incel? like that's still wrong, but at least I can parse a coherent point from it.

People ITT are confusing Incel-ism with Terrorism....

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