Poll of the Day > Are you getting Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition this Friday?

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Looks fun
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Already downloaded...
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No because I played 5 minutes of Xenoblade on the Wii 10 years ago and absolutely hated it and ever since I've wanted my Xenosaga back. Monolith killed Xenosaga for that fantasy action combat trash.

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Not day 1, but I'll probably pick it up at some point. It's one of my favourite games ever, and while I could just replay the Wii version instead, I'm quite happy to throw more money at the franchise.

Judgmenl posted...

No because I played 5 minutes of Xenoblade on the Wii 10 years ago and absolutely hated it

5 minutes isn't even enough to get through the opening cinematics and it wasn't available outside of Japan until 9 years ago.

Judgmenl posted...

Monolith killed Xenosaga for that fantasy action combat trash.

Not really. Xenosaga just never did all that well. It basically killed itself.

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adjl posted...

5 minutes isn't even enough to get through the opening cinematics and it wasn't available outside of Japan until 9 years ago.

I literally played the first battle. Went in expecting Xenosaga, and never played any more. I absolutely loathe "Action JRPGs".

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Judgmenl posted...

I literally played the first battle.

So you didn't finish the opening cinematics.

Judgmenl posted...

Went in expecting Xenosaga, and never played any more.

That sounds like you should research your game purchases better.

Judgmenl posted...

I absolutely loathe "Action JRPGs".

I tend to reserve sentiments like "absolutely loathe" for things like genocide, slavery, and hanging toilet paper under the roll. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit.

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There was a time in my life where I actually trusted the gaming opinions of people on here and on other forums.
Those times are far, far behind me. I got bit way too much and as a result learned that I hate both entire genres and entire developers/publishers.

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Already placed an order on Amazon, but it won't get here until June 2.

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apparently it runs like dogshit, with resolution dropping as low as 300p most of the time

so hard pass.

extremely hard pass.

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Bulbasaur posted...

apparently it runs like dogshit, with resolution dropping as low as 300p most of the time

so hard pass.

extremely hard pass.

nah.

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No, I don't like it one bit.

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T0ffee posted...

nah.

yah, actually.

it's bad.

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Bulbasaur posted...

yah, actually.

it's bad.

It's a dynamic range from 378-540p handheld and 540-720p docked.

So it's quite possible that it might not even reach those low numbers.

Although it COULD reach those numbers, we just don't know yet.

Probably best to wait for guys like Digital Foundry for some real testing and confirmation.

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given the shit performance xc2 ran, it will be near those numbers always.

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Bulbasaur posted...

given the shit performance xc2 ran, it will be near those numbers always.

xc1 isn't nearly as demanding as xc2 though.

Plus, the devs should be more familiar with the Switch hardware now after their work on xc2 and botw.

Again, it might be bad, but until we have solid testing and confirmation, we just don't know.

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Never played the first one. Is it le fun? What makes this the "definitive" edition

Judgmenl posted...

There was a time in my life where I actually trusted the gaming opinions of people on here and on other forums.

Trusting "this game is good" doesn't mean you should interpret that statement as "this game belongs to a genre nobody has told me it belongs to." You should still be doing your own research as to what kind of game you're actually buying before you buy it.

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no that game sucked on wii, wii u, 3ds and no i dont need it again on the switch

ReggieTheReckless posted...

Never played the first one. Is it le fun? What makes this the "definitive" edition

Graphical improvements (which isn't hard because the original makes many PS2 titles look high-res), some remastered tracks (in one of the best soundtracks in gaming history, full stop), and a new epilogue sidequest sort of deal. By the sounds of things, if you're interested in playing the game, this'll be the version to play.

As for whether or not it's fun, I personally love it. Combat vaguely resembles a single-player MMO, juggling ability cooldowns while autoattacking and managing aggro levels to keep the enemy focused on a tankier party member (who will likely need some healing). The world is huge and gorgeous (even in the terrible graphics of the original version, thanks to good art design), making it a genuine pleasure to explore. Sidequests are largely your typical MMO-style fetch/kill quests, which are pretty forgettable, but I find they make for a nice excuse to do some exploring. Story's solid, characters are great, music is utterly phenomenal... I'd recommend it. It is a slow start, though, thanks to the sheer scale of the game (expect ~100-120 hours for a first playthrough if you take your time and do some sidequests/exploring), so don't be surprised if it takes a few hours to engage you.

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Actually have two pre-orders for the collector's set right now. One I placed for shipping almost 2 months ago and one for store pickup I just made recently. I'll return one if I get both, but I'm sure one method will fail, hopefully not both.

Judgmenl posted...

No because I played 5 minutes of Xenoblade on the Wii 10 years ago and absolutely hated it and ever since I've wanted my Xenosaga back.

Cool story, bro.

Monolith killed Xenosaga for that fantasy action combat trash.

Bandai-Namco owns Xenosaga, so it's probably more complicated than that.

Bulbasaur posted...

apparently it runs like dogshit, with resolution dropping as low as 300p most of the time

so hard pass.

extremely hard pass.

There's literally game play videos up on youtube right now that you could view and judge it by, instead of some random crap you heard from some guy online.

Probably later down the line. I have a bunch of stuff in my backlog and I would like to get through that first.

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teddy241 posted...

no that game sucked on wii, wii u, 3ds and no i dont need it again on the switch

I dont think it was on the Wii U. Xenoblade Chronicles X was on the Wii U, though. But that was a different game (from the same series)...
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Got the 90 limited edition pre-ordered, one of my favourite games.

LinkPizza posted...

I dont think it was on the Wii U. Xenoblade Chronicles X was on the Wii U, though. But that was a different game (from the same series)...

It was on the Wii Virtual Console for Wii U, I think.

Doesn't change the fact that he's either lying, or bought a game he hates 3 times and is thus a fool.

In the running for best game of all time. I'll definitely be getting it but I don't I can play it for a week or two since my sister is borrowing my switch and she just had surgery.

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I might be getting it this Friday if I can ever get into my Game Stop.

That being said, Bamco killed Xenosaga.

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LinkPizza posted...

I dont think it was on the Wii U.

It had a very quiet Wii VC release on the WiiU, presumably because of how much trouble a lot of people had finding a Wii copy (at least until Gamestop mysteriously found a whole bunch of "used" copies that they then started selling for $90 after watching the game go for $120+ online for six months >.>). The 3DS and Switch releases have gotten a lot more promotion than that did.

LinkPizza posted...

Xenoblade Chronicles X was on the Wii U, though. But that was a different game (from the same series)...

I'm not even sure I'd say that X was from the same series. It's similar enough to qualify as a spinoff, but the fundamental gameplay structure, art style, and stories are very different, particularly where the way its story ended very much set up further sequels to that story in particular. By contrast, Xenoblade 2 was much more similar to the first game, making it much easier to say that it's in the same series.

I_Abibde posted...

I might be getting it this Friday if I can ever get into my Game Stop.

This is also a factor in delaying my purchase. This is one I'll buy a physical copy of, but I'm not even sure any local EBGames are open yet, and I don't really feel like having it shipped. I probably won't get it until I can walk into a store and buy it, especially where I've got no shortage of stuff to play now (particularly with PSO2 coming out tomorrow).

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Pre-ordered. I owned like 5 copies of the original but never played.

adjl posted...

It had a very quiet Wii VC release on the WiiU, presumably because of how much trouble a lot of people had finding a Wii copy (at least until Gamestop mysteriously found a whole bunch of "used" copies that they then started selling for $90 after watching the game go for $120+ online for six months >.>). The 3DS and Switch releases have gotten a lot more promotion than that did.

It's amazing that it took 10 years for XC1 to get a widely available release in North America.
First, people literally had to twist Nintendo of America's arm and make them release it here, only for it to be Gamestop-only and quickly run into the "mysterious problems" you mentioned.
Then it's on the 3DS. Great! Tons of people have that! ....New 3DS only, one of the only games to EVER require that? Well, crap....
Oh hey, it's on the Wii U eshop! ....Aaaaaand Wii U's dead. Eeek.

Better late than never, I guess.

I'm not even sure I'd say that X was from the same series. It's similar enough to qualify as a spinoff, but the fundamental gameplay structure, art style, and stories are very different, particularly where the way its story ended very much set up further sequels to that story in particular. By contrast, Xenoblade 2 was much more similar to the first game, making it much easier to say that it's in the same series.

The gameplay was probably the one thing that tied it together w/ XC1, though? The combat is far more similar between XC1 and XCX than XC1 and XC2. It's got the exact same arts structure and mechanics, but tweaked from there.
I agree that overall XC1 and 2 are closer together, but not for gameplay....

adjl posted...

It had a very quiet Wii VC release on the WiiU, presumably because of how much trouble a lot of people had finding a Wii copy (at least until Gamestop mysteriously found a whole bunch of "used" copies that they then started selling for $90 after watching the game go for $120+ online for six months >.>). The 3DS and Switch releases have gotten a lot more promotion than that did.

I can see that. Tbh, the 3DS was the first time I heard about it. I didn't even know there was a Wii version until after I got it. Haha. And I don't even really hear about things on the VC coming out... except when DK64 came out, IIRC...

And GameStop is one of the worst place, tbh. All the shit that they pull...

adjl posted...

I'm not even sure I'd say that X was from the same series. It's similar enough to qualify as a spinoff, but the fundamental gameplay structure, art style, and stories are very different, particularly where the way its story ended very much set up further sequels to that story in particular. By contrast, Xenoblade 2 was much more similar to the first game, making it much easier to say that it's in the same series.

Maybe it's me, but the gameplay seems similar enough. In that is was the same type of fighting (auto-battle, and use skills to break, topple, and daze the enemies or whatever every skill does). Which I don't see as many games doing. And the Art seemed similar, but I also haven't played X in years now... Though, the story is pretty different. Though, I heard something. But it may not be true. But I heard that if you played all the games to end, there was something that very loosely tied it together somewhat. But I never beat it, so Idk...

As for 2, while I think it connects to one more storywise, I feel the gameplay is very different due to the blades. It's not bad, but definitely different. I think the fighting for 1 and X are much closer than 1 and 2. The main differences seem to be the skells in X, and the affinity only affects you character in X instead of each character to each other in 1... I think 2 is similar to 1, but X seems closer to 1 battlewise just because it seemed like the same way to battle... I actually learned to to battle better in 1 after playing X. Haha.
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i have already downloaded it (cant play yet though)

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streamofthesky posted...

It's amazing that it took 10 years for XC1 to get a widely available release in North America.
First, people literally had to twist Nintendo of America's arm and make them release it here, only for it to be Gamestop-only and quickly run into the "mysterious problems" you mentioned.
Then it's on the 3DS. Great! Tons of people have that! ....New 3DS only, one of the only games to EVER require that? Well, crap....
Oh hey, it's on the Wii U eshop! ....Aaaaaand Wii U's dead. Eeek.

Better late than never, I guess.

10 years and Shulk being in two Smash games, no less, so it's not like they've been pretending the game doesn't exist. I'm still baffled that it took Gamestop funding the NA release (which is why it was exclusive) to have it brought over here, though. The EU release had already done all of the necessary localization, so it's not like NoA had much to lose, but we still never would have seen it had Gamestop not stepped in to pay for it.

streamofthesky posted...

The gameplay was probably the one thing that tied it together w/ XC1, though? The combat is far more similar between XC1 and XCX than XC1 and XC2. It's got the exact same arts structure and mechanics, but tweaked from there.
I agree that overall XC1 and 2 are closer together, but not for gameplay....

That is true. Combat-wise, 1 and X were more similar (though Overdrive was quite different from Chain Attacks, and Overdrive really defined X's combat). X was more of a mission-based open world game, though, while both 1 and 2 were more linearly structured (albeit in a large enough world with enough side quests to feel somewhat open world-ish). That's what I was referring to with "gameplay structure," though you are correct that 2 changed up the combat a lot more.

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adjl posted...

10 years and Shulk being in two Smash games, no less, so it's not like they've been pretending the game doesn't exist. I'm still baffled that it took Gamestop funding the NA release (which is why it was exclusive) to have it brought over here, though. The EU release had already done all of the necessary localization, so it's not like NoA had much to lose, but we still never would have seen it had Gamestop not stepped in to pay for it.

NoA seems to have a strange hatred for the game. I don't understand it, don't know why a company would hate a product. But that's the only conclusion that can be drawn considering they've put more effort into blocking the release of Xenoblade here than in promoting it. Heck....I remember w/ XCX the NoA youtube had almost nothing while as the UK channel was the one putting out tons of trailers and previews.
The amount of disdain they seem to have for it is baffling.
It was definitely worse back when XC1 first came out though, which makes me suspect it's due to people who worked there back then and have since left...

In any case, as is always worth saying.... Nintendo of America can go fuck itself.

Maybe it's JRPGs that they hate. Do they do it to other JRPGs?
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streamofthesky posted...

Heck....I remember w/ XCX the NoA youtube had almost nothing while as the UK channel was the one putting out tons of trailers and previews.

Eh, I feel like there was enough promotional material for X. The UK channel may have done more, but there were trailers and whatnot in Directs that I felt were adequate to hype me up for it (enough hype to be the only game I've preordered since Wind Waker).

streamofthesky posted...

It was definitely worse back when XC1 first came out though, which makes me suspect it's due to people who worked there back then and have since left...

Not necessarily. I think a lot of that was the general attitude of not wanting to localize big JRPG's due to them not being the most popular games anymore and the large amount of work involved in translating dialogue-heavy games (Xenoblade has over 10 hours of voice acted cutscenes, to say nothing of the written dialogue). The game did very well, though, so it's understandable that now they're more willing to support it because there's less risk involved in doing so.

There's probably also more than a little lingering opposition to Operation Rainfall, and an inclination to reject the game for no other reason than that that was their position for so long. After spending so much time saying "no" to Rainfall, it's going to be difficult to change to promoting and supporting the game, particularly where it wasn't actually Rainfall that ultimately convinced them to bring it over (Rainfall was rejected, then Gamestop picked it up a while later).

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In XC1's case though, the translation work had already been done by NoE...

Eeyup. NoA had basically no work to do, but they still resisted bringing it over, possibly because they didn't want to be seen as going back on their earlier refusal.

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Oh lord no. I bought it for New 3DS when the hype train was flying high on that game. I put about 12 hours in before I couldn't take any more. The game has possibly the worst combat system since Ys.

Already ordered on Amazon, but I want the EU CE...

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JTekashiro posted...

The game has possibly the worst combat system since Ys.

The combat is great. But it does take some time to get use to it. I was really bad at the combat for a while. It actually started to make more sense after playing X. Either way, the combat is mainly just lacking until you get more skills. That's the main problem...
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This will be the third platform Im playing it on and Im still stoked. Being able to see the environments in not-shit Wii or 3DS graphics will be a sight to behold

T0ffee posted...

Already placed an order on Amazon, but it won't get here until June 2.

I canceled my Amazon order and preordered from Best Buy instead because I heard they had a better track record during the pandemic

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I'll get it down the line, when I'm ready. also did that for Persona 5 Royal, another game I really wanted.

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If Walmart has it in stock on Friday, I'll probably pick it up. If not, I can wait until they do. $10 cheaper is $10 cheaper.

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I'll be getting it at some point, but not for a while

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No, at least not now. I have the OG for the Wii, so if I ever have a hankering to play, I at least have that (but the graphical updates do look damn sexy). And since X1 was a "pre-order this or basically don't get it" deal at the time at GameStop, and the DE can be gotten anytime via the online store, I don't feel the rush or pressure to get it now. And while I still prefer physical copies of games (especially big tentpole games like Smash and Zelda), I\d be OK if I missed out on the physical version of it.

The biggest factor though is, I'm just not in the mood to take on a huge RPG like that now, as much as I enjoyed the game. COVID is finally giving me time to plow through my Steam backlog (I already cleared my Switch one, and god knows Animal Crossing didn't help matters), so I don't want any sidetracks. It's bad enough I've been having an itch to replay the Metroid Prime and Viewtiful Joe series.

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No, mainly because I can't stand the gameplay. I love the story and characters though

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