Current Events > Is being an incel a condition or a choice?

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

thats not what an incel is

yes it is. An incel is a guy who is "involuntarily celibate". That's what it has always been

it literally is though

JoeBurrow posted...

it literally is though

a condition? you're right. something involuntary is a condition, just as this doctor states
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPiMQyIsFqo

finalbossfight posted...

yes it is. An incel is a guy who is "involuntarily celibate". That's what it has always been

but that's not what you said

absolutely zero proof that guys who can't get laid

this is what you said.

guys who can't get laid =/= guys who think they can never get laid

involuntarily celibate isn't a real thing. it's a mentality used as a crutch for socially awkward and shitty people to give up and blame all their own problems on society and women in general
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

but that's not what you said

this is what you said.

guys who can't get laid =/= guys who think they can never get laid

involuntarily celibate isn't a real thing. it's a mentality used as a crutch for socially awkward and shitty people to give up and blame all their own problems on society and women in general

Involuntary celibate isn't a real thing? Why? because you said so? Tell that to the millions of men who can't get sex becase women are grossed out by their presence.

finalbossfight posted...

Involuntary celibate isn't a real thing? Why? because you said so? Tell that to the millions of men who can't get sex becase women are grossed out by their presence.

if women are grossed out by their presence than the man should be conscious of this and address this issue with themselves accordingly. no one is "immune" to sex.

stop putting the blame on women when the real issue lies within multiple factors that can be addressed and resolved within one's self. blaming society and women is a shitty cop out that prevents "incels" from owning up to their own problems and shitty attitudes

the people who label themselves incels are 99% of the time people who refuse to acknowledge that they are being selfish entitled pricks and generally selfish entitled pricks tend to think about committing selfish entitled acts. ergo read my original post again.
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

if women are grossed out by their presence than the man should be conscious of this and address this issue with themselves accordingly. no one is "immune" to sex.

stop putting the blame on women when the real issue lies within multiple factors that can be addressed and resolved within one's self. blaming society and women is a shitty cop out that prevents "incels" from owning up to their own problems and shitty attitudes

Saying an incel can't get laid because of his looks is NOT placing the blame on women. It's placing the blame on their looks and genetics.

This dude doesn't blame women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjn6bs9k0o

finalbossfight posted...

Saying an incel can't get laid because of his looks is NOT placing the blame on women. It's placing the blame on their looks and genetics.

don't like the way you look?

hit the gym. change your diet. change your hair or facial appearance. change your outfits or personality.

you do all that and it still doesn't work? use a dating app. make a fucking effort. people like that exist for the opposite sex as well but the difference is incels like this have such a ridiculously high standard they won't even begin to entertain the thought of going out with someone just like themselves but the opposite sex.

stop making excuses for them.
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finalbossfight posted...

Saying an incel can't get laid because of his looks is NOT placing the blame on women. It's placing the blame on their looks and genetics.

This dude doesn't blame women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjn6bs9k0o

there's nothing preventing this dude from going for someone of the opposite sex that's in his same position

hence him being entitled to sex from women who aren't attracted to him
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i dont see the need for unecessary hostility.

there is a subculture of men who are full of rage, bitterness and hate because they cant get laid, and theyre despicable people.

there are also a lot of guys out there who are too shy, or awkward, or have unrealistic standards, but they dont automatically get hateful or bitter like the other group.

you insist on lumping both together, or insist that men feel entitled to womens bodies. Have you ever heard a girl say where have all the good guys gone? Does this mean she feels entitled to a good guy? What about size queens (be it either height or down there), do they feel entitled to that?

cant a guy simply lament he is too ugly or awkward or even picky without people
saying he feels entitled to someone elses body?

this is important because this puts pressure on young men or kids who will become young men in the next couple years, and this hostility and high expectations will create many more incels than society can handle

That term is from the UK

why are americans using it?

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

don't like the way you look?

hit the gym. change your diet. change your hair or facial appearance. change your outfits or personality.

you do all that and it still doesn't work? use a dating app. make a fucking effort. people like that exist for the opposite sex as well but the difference is incels like this have such a ridiculously high standard they won't even begin to entertain the thought of going out with someone just like themselves but the opposite sex.

stop making excuses for them.

Wait a sec, so now you are acknowledging that the looks of incels are stopping them from getting laid? I thought it was personality. xD

finalbossfight posted...

Wait a sec, so now you are acknowledging that the looks of incels are stopping them from getting laid? I thought it was personality. xD

i didn't say that at all. you need to learn to read.

Saying an incel can't get laid because of his looks is NOT placing the blame on women. It's placing the blame on their looks and genetics.

this is what you literally said. i was only responding to your shitty logic.
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Choice mostly

ThisGuyAreSick posted...

i didn't say that at all. you need to learn to read.

this is what you literally said. i was only responding to your shitty logic.

must've been the other guy who said personality then

bobaban posted...

so what is the solution? At least the bootstrap solution gives some power to choices you can make. I agree that it doesnt work on a mass scale though.

@bobaban This is a difficult question. Honestly, I'm not sure if there's a way to reconcile this problem while maintaining the freedoms of both men and women. Something's gotta give. As it stands, women control the flow of the dating game. One option is to use cultural pressure to get them to commit to a relationship and deter them from casual dating would at least improve the number of relationships and lessen amount of single people out there, which might trickle down to the incel population.

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How is it a choice if its involuntary?

toyota posted...

How is it a choice if its involuntary?

there's no such thing as involuntary celibate
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Depends on how ugly or sexually unviable the person is. Some people are destined to be incel, buy in reality, almost everyone could try harder. If you are ugly, there are ugly women.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Depends on how ugly or sexually unviable the person is. Some people are destined to be incel, buy in reality, almost everyone could try harder. If you are ugly, there are ugly women.

according to incels the ugliest women get tons of attention.

https://incels.wiki/w/Juggernaut_law

finalbossfight posted...

this dude thinks otherwise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPiMQyIsFqo

His views were really considered more pseudo-science though.

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finalbossfight posted...

Yes, and it's ridiculous because every dude who can't get laid is an incel because some dude killed someone. That is why it's ridiculous to say something "involuntary" is a choice.

you are choosing to join to a terrorist group. Incels are terrorists

bobaban posted...

you are choosing to join to a terrorist group. Incels are terrorists

Me? no. But the term incel has existed long before canada labeled that dude a terrorist this past week

I know the truth hurts Incels, but its not womens fault, your parents, your looks, society, or anyone elses fault you cant get laid or form a romantic relationship except your own.

youre not entitled to it, you have to earn it. Stop treating others like theyre your property and grow some character:

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Its somewhere on the spectrum im sure.

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EliteGuard99 posted...

youre not entitled to it, you have to earn it.

ha

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EliteGuard99 posted...

I know the truth hurts Incels, but its not womens fault, your parents, your looks, society, or anyone elses fault you cant get laid or form a romantic relationship except your own.

youre not entitled to it, you have to earn it. Stop treating others like theyre your property and grow some character:

this mentality is problematic too. You have to see women as your equals, not some sort of chattel (bad extreme) or put them in a pedestal (the other bad extreme). You did the latter.

men dont have to earn the immense favor of having any other fellow human being, that just so happens to have a V, even one with terrible hygiene and 200 extra lbs granting him the immense favor of gracing with with sex.

men like sense. Women like sense. Men want sex. Women want sex. You just have to find a woman that happens to want to have it with you, thats it.

men are not some lowly subclass who must earn a V. This is how many nice guys are created, btw

Its a mental issue that gets compounded with physical issues.

Some dudes are just straight up unfuckable. Its not enough just to have sex for them, they want to be wanted. Add social anxiety, social awkwardness, low iq, autism, etc and you get a recipe for disaster.

Theres two different definitions we are talking about here

Most people here think "sexist pig" when they think "incel". This is a choice, they are bad people and if they act on their beliefs they belong behind bars. Terrorist is not an accurate term. Is spousal abuse terrorism?

But if you look at the actual words that make up the term, you arrive at what could be described as a foreveralone, a good person who respects women but will never get a gf

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Rika_Furude posted...

a good person who respects women but will never get a gf

ew

Izrael posted...

While that is true, I've observed that when people hear the word "masculinity" preceeded by "toxic", they will perceive it as the opening to an attack. Which is understandable, since toxic is a common insult these days. It makes them defensive, and they may feel as though I'm taking an issue with their masculinity entirely, rather than the unhealthy practices encouraged by the societal definition of it.

This.
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