Current Events > Is being an incel a condition or a choice?

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Crayon_Lover posted...

What do you think is the difference between me and a normal incel like Elliott Rodger? He couldn't even make it to 23 while being a virgin

i dont't know you specifically on a personal level.

what is your race for starters?

finalbossfight posted...

i dont't know you specifically on a personal level.

what is your race for starters?

yikes
i'm out


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Delirious_Beard posted...

it's in itself basically a misnomer, (at least for the communities) because by and large incels make no attempt or effort to pursue relationships, seek self-improvement, or really do anything except vent about their hatred for women and other races and anyone else they feel victimized by

their poster-boy Elliot Rodger was basically expecting blonde supermodels to initiate and be honored at the mere prospect of his presence. it's honestly pathetic

Who do you think should be the one to start the relationship out the man or woman?

Evening_Dragon posted...

You said you were being technical, but now with incels in general, you're not? Also, you thought to insult me.

Have you been diagnosed with anything?

no, I was always being technical.

Incel means "involuntarily" celibate

"involuntary" = no choice

I mean I'm never going to be able to get laid

What does that make me if not an incel

Evening_Dragon posted...

yikes
i'm out

in other words

"yikes, I can't argue anymore so I'm bailing out"

No one is born hating women lol

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finalbossfight posted...

i dont't know you specifically on a personal level.

what is your race for starters?

I'm white

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Crayon_Lover posted...

I'm white

bingo. incels are predominantly ethnic. no wonder you're not an incel

Unite posted...

Who do you think should be the one to start the relationship out the man or woman?

not really relevant in the case of people like elliot, his problem had absolutely nothing to do with frustration with perceived gender roles and had everything to do with the fact that his own needs weren't priority number one for every woman he found attractive. why do you think there is so much dehumanizing and racism towards men they think are "beneath them" in these communities? these people are entitled narcissists who feel slighted that anyone else would be "selected" before themselves, and that women are shallow whores for not seeing their apparent superiority

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finalbossfight posted...

bingo. incels are predominantly ethnic. no wonder you're not an incel

What about ages 13-25, was I not white then?

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Crayon_Lover posted...

Choice. I lost my virginity at 26 (didn't even have a first date till I was 25) and I never considered myself an "incel" because I saw the shit they posted online and wanted nothing to do with that community.

https://m.imgur.com/a/VEjvH

Lmao this isn't incels, they're shills planted by chodes to make incels look bad. Most incels are pleasant people.


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ChainedRedone posted...

Lmao this isn't incels, they're shills planted by chodes to make incels look bad. Most incels are pleasant people.

That's taken from one of the now defunct incel subreddit truecels, so I think it is

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Delirious_Beard posted...

not really relevant in the case of people like elliot, his problem had absolutely nothing to do with frustration with perceived gender roles and had everything to do with the fact that his own needs weren't priority number one for every woman he found attractive. why do you think there is so much dehumanizing and racism towards men they think are "beneath them" in these communities? these people are entitled narcissists who feel slighted that anyone else would be "selected" before themselves, and that women are shallow whores for not seeing their apparent superiority

absolutely wrong. elliot was an ugly hapa who was not attractive at all. to say he was some "volcel" is a useful strawman

tagged for later reading. hopefully mods don't delete this one.

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Crayon_Lover posted...

What about ages 13-25, was I not white then?

so are you saying you were an incel during those ages or not?

it's a choice.
incels are accepting the defeatist mentality of their lifestyle and refuse to accept the conditions of their own faults while they deflect the blame on to others.

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finalbossfight posted...

apparently there are multiple aspects to inceldom

some incels live in countries where prostitutes are illegal. you're not suggesting they break the law and get hookers, are you?

Maybe the government should employee prostitutes for male and female incels.

Now before people get upset at the idea, remember that it would be a win for both sex-workers and incels and the government already gives out a ton of free shit to people for a variety of reasons that not everyone agrees with.

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thebatz posted...

it's a choice.
incels are accepting the defeatist mentality of their lifestyle and refuse to accept the conditions of their own faults while they deflect the blame on to others.

incorrect, they have tried and can't get sex, that is incel
Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Maybe the government should employee prostitutes for male and female incels.

Now before people get upset at the idea, remember that it would be a win for both sex-workers and incels and the government already gives out a ton of free shit to people for a variety of reasons that not everyone agrees with.

yes, that is an idea, but as of now those options do not exist

the fact that there are incels that have standards so high where they when only copulate with 8s or higher even prove it's a choice.

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finalbossfight posted...

so are you saying you were an incel during those ages or not?

I was 'forever alone' like the other non-hateful virgins out there

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Maybe the government should employee prostitutes for male and female incels.

lol Sexual socialism

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finalbossfight posted...

incorrect, they have tried and can't get sex, that is incel

a part of that is their own fault where they won't make changes to their lifestyle.
i agree that not all incels are the same and some have more glaring issues than others but when some incels can make some changes into their day-to-day but refuse to... that's their own fault.

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TC your mask is slipping

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It is 100% a choice.

you could stop being an asshole tomorrow.

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I think it is a soft choice.

That is, inceldom comes from being uneducated about how to act and work around women.

Said knowledge is almost esoteric unless you start dating really young or have sleazy uncles who teach you those things.

Most guys think if they just act like a decent human being, they might get a girl. But in the modern day, there is so much more to it than that.
You gotta play the game, like the Queen song says.
Incels don't even know there is a game, much less how to play it.

There is also a movement to reduce manliness and make it look evil which makes it worse for these guys. Manliness is what makes a man hot.

thebatz posted...

the fact that there are incels that have standards so high that they will only copulate with 8s or higher even prove it's a choice.

can you prove that these exist? there are any incels out there that don't fit this description. in fact, your descriptio is not even of an incel, but a volcel

Crayon_Lover posted...

I was 'forever alone' like the other non-hateful virgins out there

no, you were an incel, whether you like it or not. unless you rejected girls, you were incel. but keep coping

darkphoenix181 posted...

I think it is a soft choice.

That is, inceldom comes from being uneducated about how to act and work around women.

Said knowledge is almost esoteric unless you start dating really young or have sleazy uncles who teach you those things.

Most guys think if they just act like a decent human being, they might get a girl. But in the modern day, there is so much more to it than that.
You gotta play the game, like the Queen song says.
Incels don't even know there is a game, much less how to play it.

There is also a movement to reduce manliness and make it look evil which makes it worse for these guys. Manliness is what makes a man hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjn6bs9k0o

did this guy choose to be an incel?

I thought this was a joke topic... wtf is this turning into LMAO

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finalbossfight posted...

no, you were an incel, whether you like it or not. unless you rejected girls, you were incel. but keep coping

But I'm white so how can I be an incel?

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how can it be a choice if the first word is involuntary

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Veggeta X posted...

I thought this was a joke topic... wtf is this turning into LMAO

it's turning into a goverment damage control topic so they can continue persecuting ugly men to further their censorship policies

finalbossfight posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjn6bs9k0o

did this guy choose to be an incel?

you're using someone with a disability in place of someone that's fully able with social issues.
totally not fair in that regard.
most people are referring to the elliot rogers and alek minassians in the world.

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Crayon_Lover posted...

But I'm white so how can I be an incel?

if you can't get girls, you're an incel
thronedfire2 posted...

how can it be a choice if the first word is involuntary

it's not, but people (govermnment shills) are trying to redefine it

thebatz posted...

you're using someone with a disability in place of someone that's fully able with social issues.
totally not fair in that regard.
most people are referring the the elliot rogers and alek minassians in the world.

alek minnassian and elliot rodger BOTH had autism, you realize that right?

finalbossfight posted...

alek minnassian and elliot rodger BOTH had autism, you realize that right?

so do many other people in the world. it doesn't stop them from finding a relationship.
autism isn't defined by one certain condition but has many level of degrees.

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thebatz posted...

so do many other people in the world. it doesn't stop them from finding a relationship.
autism isn't defined by one certain condition but has many level of degrees.

studies have shown autism significantly reduces sucess for men in relationships

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789215/

"16% of autistic men surveyed were in a sexual relationship, as compared to 82% of NT men."

finalbossfight posted...

if you can't get girls, you're an incel

But you said earlier

finalbossfight posted...

ok, well you were never an incel

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Crayon_Lover posted...

But you said earlier

you never considered yourself an incel, i was responding to your words. in reality, you were (unless you turned down girls, in which case you were volcel)

I'm not sure either really fits. It no doubt starts with soft mental issues or personality ones. Speaking from experience, dating is built for extroverts and extroverts alone, and it's hard for us more introverted to either know where to begin, or know where we're supposed to begin not see it as torture we're forced into to get just about anything. Stay in that mindset too long and it festers and darkens. Social culture exhibited here doesn't help. People treat them like a right winger treats a poor person: with complete indifference beyond the advice of change what you are and try harder because I find it easy, therefore so should everyone. So people that need help don't get it, and find comfort in their shared anger rather than sad loneliness.

The modern attempt to associate them with terrorist just sounds like deflection. "Horribly depressed and lonely man shoots up store because no one showed him love" would just be a reminder of how many people we let fall into dark places because we can't be bothered to help through rough patches, show some compassion, or admit that social connection and love ar on Maslow's hierarchy of needs for a reason, and the fact people can crack without them is it.

Then again, mental health, especially men's mental health is given so little care these days I'm not surprised people would rather vilify people with whatever excuse they can come up with.

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mods please lock this topic

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@finalbossfight posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjn6bs9k0o

did this guy choose to be an incel?

Thing is, guys have alot of power.

What makes a guy ugly is neither his looks or his situation in life, but how he acts around women.
Knowing how to act isn't something that comes naturally unfortunately.

I think part of why we have an incel epidemic is the generation that birthed the millennials thought how to get a girl is just ask every girl you see out.
That doesn't really work today as you can grow the reputation of being a creep and too eager. It could work in some situations though, but onlu if you aren't heing anxious and have charisma/confidence.

Literally that the only thing my dad ever shared with me to picking up women.

Now, tell me why this guy is not an incel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3sB2T4pgD8

This guy has a cute woman, but his arms and legs don't really work.
Most incels have an edge over him, and yet he has the woman.
Ask yourself how.

AsucaHayashi posted...

prostitution is illegal in thailand...

xd

Yeah, well, so is calling the king a useless sack of shit.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

I'm not sure either really fits. It no doubt starts with soft mental issues or personality ones. Speaking from experience, dating is built for extroverts and extroverts alone, and it's hard for us more introverted to either know where to begin, or know where we're supposed to begin not see it as torture we're forced into to get just about anything. Stay in that mindset too long and it festers and darkens. Social culture exhibited here doesn't help. People treat them like a right winger treats a poor person: with complete indifference beyond the advice of change what you are and try harder because I find it easy, therefore so should everyone. So people that need help don't get it, and find comfort in their shared anger rather than sad loneliness.

The modern attempt to associate them with terrorist just sounds like deflection. "Horribly depressed and lonely man shoots up store because no one showed him love" would just be a reminder of how many people we let fall into dark places because we can't be bothered to help through rough patches, show some compassion, or admit that social connection and love ar on Maslow's hierarchy of needs for a reason, and the fact people can crack without them is it.

Then again, mental health, especially men's mental health is given so little care these days I'm not surprised people would rather vilify people with whatever excuse they can come up with.

If a guy really wants to get women, he needs to become a learner. There is so much resources out today.
Incels are honestly just lazy.

Do they watch a 15 minute video to learn proper grooming? Nope.
Do they buy clothes designed to accentuate their body? No.
Do they workout to have a good body? No.

The major complaint is men have to work to get women. Yes, men need to work at looking good, and acting manly to get women.
Fyi, ugly men can look good.

You people need to stop seeing women as dumb child like creatures that will have sex and fall in love with any cuasimodo looking broke guy if the guy uses his power or acting a certain way.

how much does your average female stripper earn? Compare to a male one. How much does your average female pr0nstar earn? Compare to a male one. Why dont clubs let a group with too many guys in, but they wont even charge cover to an all-girls group?

men are thirsty and the competition for women is fierce. There is a reason beta males here go like t h i c c queen over any obese woman posted here, like in that topic posted recently, and that is because they have to brainwash themselves because thats the best they could get.

women are smart, intuitive, equal human beings to us and not some dumb eternal child. If a guy wouldnt date a buckteeth cuasimodo fat piece of shit, why would a women do it?

finalbossfight posted...

alek minnassian and elliot rodger BOTH had autism, you realize that right?

Wait a minute, they both had autism? Where did you get this info?

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finalbossfight posted...

no, I was always being technical.

Incel means "involuntarily" celibate

"involuntary" = no choice

Right, the guy didn't have a choice to not be a virgin. He was a virgin until he had the choice.

But the race thing you brought up had nothing to do with debate. You're having trouble understanding what people are telling you, and going in circles to push stale incel arguments.

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The_Bitcoin posted...

You people need to stop seeing women as dumb child like creatures that will have sex and fall in love with any cuasimodo looking broke guy if the guy uses his power or acting a certain way.

how much does your average female stripper earn? Compare to a male one. How much does your average female pr0nstar earn? Compare to a male one. Why dont clubs let a group with too many guys in, but they wont even charge cover to an all-girls group?

men are thirsty and the competition for women is fierce. There is a reason beta males here go like t h i c c queen over any obese woman posted here, like in that topic posted recently, and that is because they have to brainwash themselves because thats the best they could get.

women are smart, intuitive, equal human beings to us and not some dumb eternal child. If a guy wouldnt date a buckteeth cuasimodo fat piece of shit, why would a women do it?

Eh, you say equal, but in your examples you're clearly putting them up above men.

Also, you're only using the examples of sex work? What's up with that?

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lightwarrior78 posted...

I'm not sure either really fits. It no doubt starts with soft mental issues or personality ones. Speaking from experience, dating is built for extroverts and extroverts alone, and it's hard for us more introverted to either know where to begin, or know where we're supposed to begin not see it as torture we're forced into to get just about anything. Stay in that mindset too long and it festers and darkens. Social culture exhibited here doesn't help. People treat them like a right winger treats a poor person: with complete indifference beyond the advice of change what you are and try harder because I find it easy, therefore so should everyone. So people that need help don't get it, and find comfort in their shared anger rather than sad loneliness.

The modern attempt to associate them with terrorist just sounds like deflection. "Horribly depressed and lonely man shoots up store because no one showed him love" would just be a reminder of how many people we let fall into dark places because we can't be bothered to help through rough patches, show some compassion, or admit that social connection and love ar on Maslow's hierarchy of needs for a reason, and the fact people can crack without them is it.

Then again, mental health, especially men's mental health is given so little care these days I'm not surprised people would rather vilify people with whatever excuse they can come up with.

Great post, summarizes the dynamic between romantically lonely men and the rest of the world perfectly. People like to shit on these men because it's easy but the fact is that it is a lot harder for some men and some of those men will inevitably become disillusioned and some of those will inevitably become hateful. Not all incels are Elliot Rodgers's, most are just miserable lonely guys that have a very hard time

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