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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 5:06:48 PM
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No bullshit in this introduction. Were going back five years, to a time before the deluge of terrible LMS topics, as requested by user HanOfTheNekos, and were retooling the entire Disney era of Star Wars, from top to bottom. Han won my last little contest, and his reward was to pick the topic of my next project. Here we go.

There are a lot, a lot, a LOT of problems in the construction and execution of the Sequel Trilogy. Every film has their vocal defenders, but ultimately the fact that the trilogy became territorialized by two directors who had very different, very opposing visions of what Star Wars should be led to massive gulfs in style and presentation. The characters never found their footing because they were being yanked around to suit the plotting and presentation of each film. Whats your favorite Poe Dameron line? Set up as the Solo of the new trio of stars in the sequels, he was jerked around in three different subplots that ultimately had no connectivity between one another. Rey? She became tapioca by the end of 9. And Finn suffered from not being Rey or Kylo Ren.

Another major issue with the sequels was the overexposure of pre-established characters. Either the stars of yesteryear remain the focus of the new trilogy or they need to be handed fewer moments that make the movies all about them. The two sets of ensembles seemed to clash with one another, competing for the audiences attention. The dueling directors both wanted to have the opportunities to say goodbye to these long-established stars because that was where they could eke out the most easily-attained emotion from fans.

My final major issue with the sequels was the flimsiness of the conflict. Jedi versus Sith is esoteric and intangible. I hate the idea of the Jedi in terms of their philosophical underpinnings. The concepts that drive their entire organization are founded upon painfully flawed reasoning, so much so that even a Padawan should recognize the misnomers and falsities that break apart on even cursory inspection. The Sith are no better. So for this series to continue to focus solely on the ideas of Jedis and Siths at the expense of the rest of the world around them? That is complete folly. Were dispatching the notion that the Jedi Order needs the over scrutinization it got in Episodes 8 and 9.

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hylianknight3
05/21/20 5:09:45 PM
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Hard tag

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:17:37 PM
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"Han Solo. I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon."

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GenesisSaga
05/21/20 5:19:58 PM
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Dunno why we're doing quotes, but

"You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them; bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness."

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WarThaNemesis2
05/21/20 5:20:01 PM
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Padme Battle?

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GenesisSaga
05/21/20 5:23:25 PM
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I honestly thought TFA was a great start, not flawless, but there was plenty of latent potential that TLJ and especially RoS just completely failed to build on in too many regards.

There really should've been just one director for all three or Disney should've had all the important plot beats already mapped out before throwing two directors with clearly contrasting visions into such a major project.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:26:56 PM
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TFA was a solid start, but it should've been the worst of its trilogy. The fact that it wasn't was a problem.

I'm curious to see how you sell a trilogy without the Jedi vs Sith dichotomy. I agree with your statements, but Jedi vs Sith is the pervading dichotomy that casual viewers understand, so it'll be interesting to see things taken in a different direction.

edit: forgot to add a quote

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Cybat
05/21/20 5:29:53 PM
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Nice, looking forward to this. May the twenty-first be with you.

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Grimlyn
05/21/20 5:31:28 PM
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should'a just done Luuuke Skywalker imho

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05/21/20 5:36:58 PM
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Han [tagged] first

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 5:37:06 PM
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GenesisSaga posted...
I honestly thought TFA was a great start, not flawless, but there was plenty of latent potential that TLJ and especially RoS just completely failed to build on in too many regards.

There really should've been just one director for all three or Disney should've had all the important plot beats already mapped out before throwing two directors with clearly contrasting visions into such a major project.
I'm with you on this completely. I think, given the project idea's concept, I really have to put my own stamp on this trilogy - for me, that means making some massive changes to the entire concept. One thing I really don't want to involve myself with is another Death Star style storyline. Force Awakens was a pretty great starting point for THAT trilogy, but not "my" trilogy. I guess that's the best way to put it, in this context? The nagging aspects I don't want are better left completely discarded.

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 5:37:35 PM
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Pacing and Release

The issue with the concept of a Sequel Trilogy is that, as evidenced by the prequels, an expansion of the Star Wars concept requires more time and more space than the small amount of available allotment a trio of films allows. When youre starting a project from scratch, you are allowed to have a certain amount of give in terms of world-building. Just the nature of introducing new settings and characters means that their very existence is a major step forward. Once youve established rules in a property, going deeper generally requires more nuance. And worse than that, a successful property also is easily hoisted on its own petard by the more ravenous fans it develops; there is a level of expectation that is built on an oxymoronic premise - more films in a series must be both the same and different, and the amount of each of those qualities is different from moviegoer to moviegoer.

My idea, as I break down the process of rebuilding the Sequel Trilogy from the ground up, is going to be a fairly radical departure from what Star Wars has always been. From the outset I am dispatching the notion that the series needs to be told in three-film chapters. As evidenced by the prequels, the places where nuance and time was needed had to be given short shrift in order to shoehorn in a complete story into three films. In an era of streaming seasons and longer-running film series, my radical departure will be, quite simply, to break that system down completely.

My second guarantee? Were not jumping ahead thirty-odd years. Were giving the stars of Return of the Jedi a five year break. So if you dont like the idea of recasting, you will hate this concept completely. When Star Wars: Episode VII rolls out in 2015, dont expect any original cast members. Still here? Cool.

Im going to respect that Disney purchased Star Wars with the intent to release Star Wars films every year. Dont plan on me relying on the same presentation going forward, however. The best way to drive the momentum of the sequel films is to off-shoot plotlines that connect back to the mainline episodes. My plan for release will go like this:

Episode VII
Bounty Hunter Film
Episode VIII
Side Character Focus Film
Side Character Focus Film
Episode IX
Dogfighting Ships Film
Episode X

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 5:46:11 PM
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Oh, you're going hard mode.

I guess the 5 years following RotJ adds the biggest question of - is the Empire defeated or just falling apart?

I also assume that you are keeping Mandalorian canon in this retooling?

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 6:02:05 PM
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2015
Star Wars: Episode VII - Specter of an Old Republic

Star Wars is at its best when it opens with a space battle, and thats what were going to do, but first we have an opening crawl. The Jedi and the Sith are dead, but the Republic remains. Reborn from the ashes of the fallen Empire, Coruscants Senate floor is alive with the buzz of new Senators, galvanized in a call to action by Chancellor Leia Organa. Even with this sign of new light, the outer rim of the galaxy is rife with smuggling and holdovers from the Empire. Loyalists lurk among the outer reaches, and rumors of a planned strike back by these loyalists has led to the Chancellors brother traveling to the mosaic world of Actia to track the looming threat.

Scroll complete, lets roll the film. We drop from the starry sky onto a world that seems like chunks of islands floating in the middle of space. Water seems to loop through rivers and falls, and gravity seems to emanate from a distant floating core. This world has purple-pink foliage everywhere, and each of its large islands has small biomes or cities. Its something new to the Star Wars universe; what seems to be an atmosphere-empty world with nothing that separates the void of space from the world itself. This is the setup for the world of Actia, where our Rogue Squadron is introduced. Rogue Leader to Green-One, three minutes to drop.

Our setup is this: Wedge Antilles and a group of Rogues are pushing through the system of islands, chased by a horde of drone-ships, designs based on the vulture crafts from Episode III. Wedge is also carrying a missile under his craft which seems to be weighing it down. This lumbering vehicle is dangerously close to destruction throughout the scene, with other Rogues forced to take body blow after body blow in order to prevent the destruction of the missile. Running up on a city-island, Wedge releases his missile. Green-One, drop initiated. The missile falls, sliding effortlessly between two thin columns above which the city is perched, jamming perfectly into a canyon. Pieces begin to release, and soon we see that a single individual was being contained inside. They roll out as the last chunk of the missile casing sheers from its hull, revealing Luke Skywalker, lightsaber in hand.

A battle under this city, with the peril of falling into the void of the planets mantle area ensues. Luke fights towards a leader of what seems to be a red-painted Stormtrooper legion, and he reclaims a stolen item from the Republic Archives - a holocron.

Cut to Han Solo, hand holding his slowly nodding head aloft. Hes jolted by an elbow belonging to Leia. Han blinks his eyes open and were injected into a meeting with several delegates from the lower arm of the galaxy, complaining about territorial disputes being exacerbated on neutral worlds by Imperial holdovers. You have to do something about Zsinj, they cry. His forces, though depleted by the fall of the Empire, remain staunchly loyal to the idea that one day the Emperor will rise again. The threat has become very real; with the fledgling Republics forces stretched thin, several planets are threatening to secede from the organization and consider independence, pledging their resources to bounty fleets, a new menace that is beginning to arise in the more lawless regions of the galaxy.

Leia and Han walk and talk afterwards, and Han chastises Leia for having a soft touch. Leia, in reply, claims that at some point Han needs to start playing the role of general. Han reminds Leia that he never wanted to be a general and that he only took on the job for her sake. There are definite tensions here.

This is all broken off by the return of Luke who seems rather erratic and frustrated with his most recent mission. Luke and Han eventually make their way to the abandoned ruins of the Jedi Temple, where we run into R2 and Threepio. Luke has yet to resurrect the Order; Han questions this casually - clearly, the topic has been brought up before. The prophecy that Vader was meant to bring balance to the Force weighs heavily on him still. Is balance, ultimately, the eradication of two extreme opposing forces? With no Sith and no Jedi, perhaps moderation is the ultimate key to balance. Nevertheless, the fact that thieves have absconded with holocrons from some of the far-reaching abandoned Jedi safehouses in the galaxy concerns him, and he uses R2 and Threepio to research what the value of this holocron is. The holocron is a fragmented file, spread between several others in an effort to ensure the security of the file, and if Zsinjs Crimson Guard is after these Holocrons, there must be a reason why. When Luke asks Threepio what the Holocron holds, Threepio simply replies with, A weapon.

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SavageInTheBox
05/21/20 6:05:52 PM
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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 6:14:07 PM
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I like Actia. How long have you had the vision of that planet in head?

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Whiskey_Nick
05/21/20 6:19:34 PM
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"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself."

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 6:22:23 PM
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Han Solo, from here gives us a recounting of who Zsinj is. After all, his campaigns over the last few years make him the most qualified person to tell Luke more about what Zsinj might be after. Through a flashback narrated by Han, we learn that Zsinjs goals have been to create a barrier of worlds between his loyal fragments of the Empire and the Rebellion-turned-Republic. Zsinj has used political influence to serve as bait, drawing out exposed parts of these planetary systems in order to exploit them. Zsinj, for example, promised an end to fighting with a planet by marrying his own daughter to that planets president. On the wedding day, however, after the vows, the daughter drew a knife from her wedding dress and stabbed the president in the heart. By law, she now governed that planet until the next election. Zsinj followed this up by murdering the two thousand guests gathered; a slaughter saw only a few escape. The skulls of the dead remain on the planet in two pillars of reminder to a newly oppressed people.

Zsinj and his daughter, known as the Ice-Heart by the Lower Arm planets, are far from the only key components to the Imperial loyalists. The Crimson Guard, his most skilled soldiers, are feared far and wide for the skills. And his fleet, some say, is run by the ghost of Admiral Thrawn, a brilliant tactician who disappeared in mid-warp decades ago.

So we have our setup. Find the holocrons, prevent Zsinj from initiating his plans, push him back, and placate key planets in the Republic.

A subplot of the movie follows a young girl, Rey, as she is inadvertently rescued on Actia by Luke during his run through the bowels of the city-island. Inspired by his skill, she follows him back to Coruscant, demonstrating some low-level Jedi abilities. She is able to manipulate transit authority workers to allow her into the hold of a transport, and she works her way through the street levels of Coruscant until she finds Threepio and R2. Shell eventually link up with Luke later.

We also get our first tastes of Zsinj - a foul, portly admiral-garbed leader, he seems to take no delight in failure. His Crimson Guard is punished quite brutally for their failure to collect a holocron. Ice-Heart, his daughter, vows to find said Holocron, and she travels to Coruscant as Han travels to deep into Zsinjs territory.

As Leia tries to hold her Republic together, Luke scolds Obi-Wan for lying to him. What becomes clear, quickly, is that Anakin has never visited Luke after his death, and this weighs heavily on him. Furthermore, Obi-Wans half-truths warped his perception of events. Hes not a farmboy on Tatooine anymore. Obi-Wan warns of the dangers of the legacy of this Holocron. He recalls that, in his final days, there were fears that, should these Holocrons fall into the hands of the Emperor, it would seal the doom of the Jedi. During Order 66, we get a brief sequence of Shaak Ti hiding one of Felucia before being killed. A similar scene with Ki-Adi-Mundi is alluded to. Luke scolds Obi-Wan, claiming this is yet another mess he has to clean up after his former teacher.

Han decides to go undercover in order to learn more about these Holocrons, but in order to do so, hell need help, and that help comes in the form of the unlikely meeting with a Crimson Guard who seems to be breaking from the rest, arguing. Enter Finn; when Finns questions result in violent responses, Han pulls his fat from the fire. We learn that the Crimson Guard is comprised of the young people of Zsinj-controlled worlds, kept in check with injections of nanobytes in the bloodstream. By pure happenstance, Finns nanites have been short-circuiting.

At the same time, the incident catches the attention of Admiral Thrawn, who moves his capital ship to inspect the business on a planet named Rododrun. Rododrun is a docking bay for the galaxy, its thick forests, littered with scuttled ships from centuries past. Old, out-of-commission military vessels are often scrapped by driving them into the surface of the planet. Often, unscrupulous generals would abandon their crafts and set them to land on the planet; however, thanks to the planets magnetic poles constant shifts, the ships would end up partially embedded in the surface. Flora would grow around them.

One of these ships, we learn, holds a Holocron.

Ice-Heart arrives on Coruscant. She finds Luke and the Holocron, and the two of them battle. Ice-Hearts ruthless abandon is, in the end, no match for Lukes skill, but Luke learns the value of the Holocrons. Ice-Heart, recognizing her potential capture, chooses instead to nuke the Jedi Temple with a seismic detonator vest, and the place goes down. The Jedi Orders last-standing monument is eradicated.


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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 6:42:27 PM
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Is Zsinj and his daughter human or human-adjacent?

Find the idea of the flashback sequences to be interesting - Star Wars tends to shy from these often, especially outside of Force visions. Narrative accompanied by visuals isn't bad, but I'm not sure how you'd give that information without just showing the characters on the planet talking about it.

Also I wasn't expecting you to still use Rey & co. after what you said about conflicting ensembles, so... now I'm anticipating you giving the old guard the boot by episode 8.

Also, important question: when Shaak Ti hid the holocron on Felucia, was she naked?

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 6:42:28 PM
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Luke and Obi-Wan seem to come to terms after this. Obi-Wan seems to come around to Lukes way of thinking to some extent. The Order is dead. But at the same time, Luke is deeply affected by the destruction of the Temple. Leia, too, has to deal with the ramifications of the destruction of a major landmark on Coruscant. A suicide bomber in the capital begins to scare off potential planets from joining the Republic. If this was a mission meant to undercut the growth of the Republic, then it was a success. But Luke sets Leia straight; Zsinj is after these Holocrons, and its race to collect them before he does.

Han and Finn play it up for laughs on Rododrun as they sneak into higher and higher levels of security clearance thanks to Finns knowledge and Hans pure dumb luck. Playing Crimson Guards, they make their way to the Valiance, Thrawns capital ship, and in the process, they spy a meeting between Zsinj and Thrawn. This meeting reveals that the Holocrons are meant to imbue their user with infinite knowledge, including the understanding of how to wield the Force. An ancient Sith Master named Revan, before they disappeared, planted his knowledge around the Galaxy. This same Sith totaled an entire fleet of the Old Republic. Such legacy could be used by Zsinj to destroy the fledgling Republic and reinstate the ideals of the Sith and the Empire on Coruscant.

Han and Finn, however, are found, and Thrawn imprisons them both. This is not before Han alerts Luke with a beacon. Luke flies to Rododrun but is also captured on its surface; however, thanks to his tail, Rey, hes released from his cell (while drugged). Rey demonstrates Force abilities in the process, and Luke agrees to let her accompany him.

Days pass, and Finn and Han grow close, in between sessions of torture. Meanwhile, Luke and Rey work together, Luke offering tips of the trade, as they stealthily create a ruckus on the surface. This draws out Thrawn.

Im jumping forward a bit here, but long story short, Rey and Luke make it onto the Valiant. They find Finn but learn that Han had just been pulled from his cell by Thrawn. Thrawn springs a trap at that moment, and theres a stand-off. With a gun to his head, Han tries to talk his way out of things, but its the timely team-up of Finn and Rey that lets Han escape Thrawn. The two duke it out while Luke searches the ship for the Holocron. Han is shot in the stomach, and in shock, Finn uses Lukes lightsaber to slice off both of Thrawns hands.

Han dies. Big explosion. No body.

Luke finds the Holocron, the Valiant is scuttled, but Thrawn survives. Zsinj is foiled, for now, but it is clear that other Holocrons exist. A funeral for General Solo features a grieving Leia giving a grand oration in his memory. Even as the funeral ends, planets pledge their support to Leia, seeing the sacrifice she was willing to make, returning to the fold of the Republic.

Luke, with two Holocrons, questions Obi-Wan about the value of losing Han. Obi-Wan, however, seems to have no answers. He has begun to lose faith himself, and as part of this, his ghost seems to be dematerializing. Rey asks Luke to train her, and Luke says hes no Jedi. I dont want to be a Jedi. I want to be a Skywalker, is the response.

Between the two pillars of skulls that serve as a memorial for Ice-Heart, Zsinj holds three holocrons, and he rants about his latest setbacks. He demands a shadowed figure carry out revenge, killing Luke and collecting the final two Holocrons. Whats my reward? asks the figure. We recovered Han Solo. Breathing. Shaken, but alive. Preserved, for now, in carbonite. How would you like to have the man who killed you, Fett?

TL;DR - Imperial Warlord is going to bring down the Republic by getting the world's best crash course in Sith teachings injected into his brain via Holocrons. Leia holds the Republic together while Luke and Han stop it, making new friends along the way.

This was a really nutshell rundown of the film, and I didn't particularly try to spice up the writing here. Just the facts.

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 6:49:56 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Is Zsinj and his daughter human or human-adjacent?

Find the idea of the flashback sequences to be interesting - Star Wars tends to shy from these often, especially outside of Force visions. Narrative accompanied by visuals isn't bad, but I'm not sure how you'd give that information without just showing the characters on the planet talking about it.

Also I wasn't expecting you to still use Rey & co. after what you said about conflicting ensembles, so... now I'm anticipating you giving the old guard the boot by episode 8.

Also, important question: when Shaak Ti hid the holocron on Felucia, was she naked?

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Humans. In fact, the only notable alien in the film will be Thrawn.

I like the idea of using flashbacks in this series for the first time in order to break up the color palette of the lack of planets. I also like the idea of introducing legacy to the story, and by choosing to disconnect from the Jedi order completely (we kill off undead Obi-Wan by him out-thinking the Jedi philosophy), it's important to hold onto the past of the series for longtime fans without overwhelming them with that.

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 6:50:50 PM
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Next up... it's 2016, and it's time for a spin-off film:

Boba Fett's back... but how did he get here? Find out in Star Wars: Fett.

In the meantime, let me know what you think of this silly fanfic-y slapdash synopsis.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 7:05:47 PM
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I think the biggest thing that stands out is the treatment of Luke. You probably encounter some of the same clapback as Johnson did. I think the biggest thing you'll have to convince the audience here is to turn on the Jedi. Even if their teachings were maybe a little silly, the Jedi were still the heroes, so you would have to frame it really well to get both Luke AND Obi-Wan to turn their backs on the teachings.

Obi-Wan in particular. I think he's a good person to highlight the drawbacks of the teachings, but he was also a person who represented the best of them.

"I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

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TotallyNotMI
05/21/20 7:09:50 PM
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I support anything with Thrawn in it

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 7:14:34 PM
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What I like about Johnson's presentation is the idea that Luke is forced to forge ahead on his own. What I dislike about it is that in thirty years, he's done zippo, really. Here, we're just five years removed from the destruction of the Death Star. He's still clearly playing an active role in the Republic.

The focus for Luke will be that, over time, this prophecy about balance and the Force has been weighing very heavily on him. I'd intersperse conversation here and there to buttress that aspect. What is balance? Luke believes it was the complete eradication of the fringe elements that sought to control the Force. Moderation will be his watchword.

Moving past this point, Luke will teach Rey, and Rey will come to question Luke's own teachings as well. Rey will take it a step further as the series progresses. And by the end, Luke will come around to accepting that tenets can be true even if the ones teaching them are flawed. Luke's perceptions will be colored by Obi-Wan, who lied to him and set him on a path to kills his father, and his father, who was corrupted by the Sith but left unsatisfied by the Jedi. And he comes to believe they represent the teachings of the Jedi.

But the driving motivator in the first half of this new series will be Luke wrestling with the burden of prophecy. And Luke doesn't have real teachers or long centuries of tradition to run deeply through his veins, carved by generations of thought. He's gotta teach himself, and that only brings questions.

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 7:18:54 PM
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Also, for the future films, I will NOT go into this much recap-style crap. It reads like a bad football game summary.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 7:19:54 PM
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Yeah, I think that can work fine. It just feels like the quote I used in my last post was such a culmination of his character arc in the OT that worked really well. If anything, I'd like to see him criticize the Jedi Order specifically, talking up how becoming a Jedi meant so much sense to him, but seeing the Jedi as war generals, seeing that Obi-Wan withheld truths from him ("I kissed my sister because of you!") would definitely make him question if he was right in taking that path.


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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 7:24:37 PM
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I think the distinction is that Luke will be equating the Light and Dark Sides with the Jedi and the Sith, which this series will attempt to explore as not deserving of being completely tied to one another. For Luke, there are no differences, so the more he questions the Jedi Order, the more he believes he's questioning the Light Side of the Force. But by the end, the series will be about establishing new, harmonious schools of thought that focus on the duality of the Force.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/21/20 7:29:30 PM
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I assume the pair of MYSTERY SIDE FILMS in the middle will paint a picture of the Sith as not-so-bad?

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 7:31:52 PM
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Episode VII - Specter of an Old Republic
Star Wars: Fett
Episode VIII - Hand of Thrawn
Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic
Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic II
Episode IX - Fall of Skywalker
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Episode X - Shards of a Broken Past

The goal here is to weave the destroyed EU back into the main series carefully, with a tight narrative rope that binds their relevance together thematically.

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Snake5555555555
05/21/20 8:16:50 PM
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Tag to read later

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FFDragon
05/21/20 8:20:55 PM
#32:


Will this go into things with the knowledge that Fisher is going to die, or will you have to reshoot your rebooking too?

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scarletspeed7
05/21/20 8:24:48 PM
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FFDragon posted...
Will this go into things with the knowledge that Fisher is going to die, or will you have to reshoot your rebooking too?
Since it's 2015 and the films take place 5 years after RotJ, I'm fully recasting.

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Cybat
05/22/20 1:36:50 PM
#34:


You didn't mention Chewie at all - is he still around, hanging out with Han the whole time, or is he off doing other things?

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Xeybozn
05/22/20 1:42:50 PM
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Do you have specific actors in mind for your recasting?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/22/20 1:43:24 PM
#36:


Matthew Bomer as Grand Admiral Thrawn

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PrinceKaro
05/22/20 3:08:21 PM
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Murphiroth
05/22/20 4:19:07 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Matthew Bomer as Grand Admiral Thrawn

Nah Oded Fehr.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/23/20 11:50:07 AM
#39:


Sophie Turner as Ice Heart.

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scarletspeed7
05/23/20 12:06:58 PM
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Cybat posted...
You didn't mention Chewie at all - is he still around, hanging out with Han the whole time, or is he off doing other things?
Chewie will make his return soon enough.

Xeybozn posted...
Do you have specific actors in mind for your recasting?
Luke - Harry Treadaway
Thrawn - Antony Starr
Obi-Wan - Ewan McGregor
Ice-Heart - Anya Taylor-Joy
Zsinj - Mark Addy
Leia - Jennifer Lawrence
Wedge - Adrien Brody
Han - Armie Hammer
Finn - John Boyega
Rey - Daisy Ridley

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scarletspeed7
05/23/20 12:49:29 PM
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2016
Star Wars: Fett

This movie is a direct prequel to Episode VII. The film slides out of an opening crawl and plants us on Tattooine. There are thirty silent seconds of eye-level view of the Sarlacc Pit, then a an explosive burp of sorts and the ejection of a body. Scream as it flies up, silence, then directly in front of the camera a body hits the sand, only giving us view of the body's eye, partially obscured by a helmet's cracked visor. Enter Fett.

The entirety of this film is focused on Fett getting back on his feet. His ship has been sold by the Tattooine space-port after Fett failed to pick it up... four years ago. Fett is considered dead to the galaxy, so he'll have to rebuild his reputation. Work is hard to come by when you're dead - there is disbelief that Fett is even who he says he is. After intimidating his way into an open call to elite bounty hunters from Zsinj, Fett discovers the biggest score he can possibly imagine - more than enough credits to build a Slave III from the ground up. His only problem? He has no ship and only his battered suit.

The film essentially works this way: a dozen of the galaxy's most dangerous bounty hunters play a mix of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World and Ocean's Eleven with the science fiction action flare of Star Wars laid atop as they race across the galaxy in search of three Holocrons (three of the five from Episode VII). Boba, in an effort to get off the space station where Zsinj hosts the conference, ends up sweet-talking the daughter of old ally Aurra Sing, rookie bounty hunter Tatroo Sing. This also involves killing two of the rival bounty hunters in the process to save her life. The rescue comes at the price of a partnership, to which she begrudgingly agrees.

Throughout the movie, the pair develop a slow friendship, Fett providing insight to his desire to get even with the people who killed him. But there's more to it than that - Fett has always been a survivor fueled by revenge. He even discusses the nature of being the last of a dead breed, a clone with no family, essentially a single member of a dying race. The only thing he is able to hang onto is rage.

We bounce across three worlds in this story, and along the way introduce a score of new and old bounty hunters. We hit a Wacky Races-esque ship battle around the mining asteroid of Kessel. A running joke here is that Han Solo couldn't have possibly made the trek in 14 parsecs. Fett reveals at this point that Solo will eventually pay for nearly killing Fett. As we jump between each bounty hunter or group of bounty hunter, those that take risks are either crushed for their gamble or rewarded. In the end, Sing figures out how to route her ship through the field, and they make a landing on Kessel. Holocron 1 down.

Holocron 2 is picked up by Calo Nord on a race to the mountainous world of Demrakk-33, an icy world reminiscent of the Himalayas. More bounty hunters die in the process. The remaining handful make their way to Mon Calamari to find the final Holocron, and Fett/Sing and Nord find themselves in a stand-off that slowly is joined by others deep underwater, turning it into a double Mexican stand-off. Sing betrays Fett - or seems to - allowing chaos to ensue. But in the end, it proves to be a feint, and while Sing can return with two Holocrons, Calo Nord gloats to the dead form of Fett that at least he has a reward for the other, not to mention a set of Mandalorian armor that will fetch a fortune - but it proves to be a ruse, and Fett, after being nearly unmasked, reveals his trap, shooting Nord in the gut.

Sing and Fett reach Zsinj's meeting place, and they divide their reward. This scene is revealed to be the front end of the final scene of Episode VII, and we at this point repeat the entirety of that scene from a slightly different angle, showing that Sing was here as well; we also reveal that Fett passes on the offer to take Han Solo.

The running themes of the film are twofold - putting over Han Solo as an arrogant mercenary who got the life others in the business wish they could have had, filling them with contempt and jealousy for the guy. The other theme is Fett dealing with the burden of being a survivor and the rage that burns inside of him for those who wrong him. As Sing and Fett leave, Sing asks Fett why he didn't take the deal. Fett replies, simply, that he's a bounty hunter. Holding a grudge is bad business. Sing asks where they're off to next, and Fett answers that he imagines there would be a large reward for revealing the whereabouts of a living Han Solo. Fett figures that, by telling the Chancellor of the Republic that her husband is still alive, he can score quite a large finder's fee, and THAT is payment enough from Solo.

Also, expect dozens of double crosses.

As mentioned before, there are a large number of bounty hunters who would be introduced in this story, and here they are, divided into their teams:

Boba Fett
Tatroo Sing (New character, daughter of Aurra Sing)

Calo Nord
Voort saBinring (genetically altered Gamorrean pilot of Calo Nord)
Mara Jade

Xi'an (from Mandalorian)
Burg (from Mandalorian)
Mayfeld (from Mandalorian)

HK-52 (An ancient, malfunctioning assassin droid that believes everyone is a Jedi)
Hondo Ohnaka

Dengar

Bossk

Cad Bane (declines to participate; elderly; warns the others that this will have the upshot of decimating their numbers around the galaxy)

Jaxxon - Rabbit bounty hunter. (EU)
4LOM
Zuckuss

Kir Kanos
PROXY
Armitage Hux

Two Tusken raiders led by a three-eyed humanoid (one eye of which is covered in an eyepatch)

A Calamari with a cybernetic arm that can begin a spear or a gun

'Tauntaun' Pez - An arrogant veteran bounty hunter who ends up falling to his death on Demrakk-33 after guaranteeing that his plan of using Tauntauns to scale the mountains around the Holocron will get him there faster than anyone else.

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Snake5555555555
05/23/20 1:02:06 PM
#42:


That is an excellent Fett movie! I think you did a good job of covering the natural fan-service aspects/baggage that comes with the character at this point while having a decent story to tell in the process, fulfilling that demand as well for a more action/thriller focused Star Was story. I would absolutely love to see this film.

and gimme that Kir Kanos action all day long baby

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scarletspeed7
05/23/20 1:06:34 PM
#43:


Thanks, Snake. I like the idea of Kir Kanos leading a squad of overzealous super-loyalist bounty hunters (because that's all he can be in this world). He essentially can play one of the clear bad guys from the perspective of other less morally-rigid bounty hunters, and he would have his shit together, so getting him off-screen would unite the others temporarily.

Also, people might notice I very clearly cut IG-88 from this movie. Conscious decision here - I wanted to tie in the Darth Revan flavor from the previous movie, and using HK-52 was a perfect way to do that.

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Snake5555555555
05/23/20 1:20:19 PM
#44:


That's a good choice and actually an interesting new angle for Kanos I can see working really well.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/23/20 6:10:54 PM
#45:


Sneaky Mara Jade inclusion.

Why does Bossk work alone? He and Boba should be BEST buds.

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scarletspeed7
05/23/20 7:15:33 PM
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Bossk is working alone because the natural rivals of Boba from Empire need to be stymied or killed by other factions in order to give them menace. Kir Kanos or Calo Nord eliminating Bossk on Mon Calamari makes for better emotional stakes.

Bossk can shoot messages to Sing and Fett that are playful and boastful, pitching him as a rival rather than an enemy, and so the audience is invested in seeing him continue living. Cutting that short will hurt just a little.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/23/20 7:23:29 PM
#47:


Yeah, I think if you did that, I'd have a stronger emotional reaction than to any of the characters from Rogue One.

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scarletspeed7
05/23/20 8:53:47 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Yeah, I think if you did that, I'd have a stronger emotional reaction than to any of the characters from Rogue One.
High praise! The goal here is really to set up a ton of anti-heroes or villains that could be pulled into other films going forward, and I think the necessity here would be to send a few elderly bounty hunters on their way in order to propel a new cast.

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scarletspeed7
05/27/20 3:02:23 PM
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2017
Star Wars Episode VIII: The Hands of Thrawn

The major beats here are relatively simple. Boba Fett reveals that Han is alive to Leia, and the Senate has to hold back her fury, trying desperately to prevent their leader from turning all of their resources on Zsinj. Luke and Rey are training on a Dyson Sphere planetoid, meanwhile, and the meat of their plotline will see Rey slowly turning towards the Dark Side as a response to Luke's consistent doubt in the Jedi Order. Rey is not a Sith however; instead, she is eschewing all forms of organization, and she even begins to question Luke, recognizing him as a part of the establishment. In Rey's eyes, any system is the issue, and by film's end she will clash with Luke before turning her back on him.

Leia is ready to launch a fleet into the lower arm of the galaxy to get her husband back. Meanwhile, Thrawn is gifted with mechanical hands, and his desire for revenge is blunted by the value he sees in dangling Solo as bait in front of Leia. Thrawn's plan? To pull the majority of the fleet from the center of the galaxy and offer up Han entirely as a feint. While Leia's forces are occupied, Thrawn plans to hyper-jump directly to Coruscant with his forces and carpet bomb the entire planet. With the center of commerce for the Republic destroyed, and the hub of operations shut down, they will fall back into the disorganized muddled lifestyle of a Rebellion. He also wants to take Leia's hands as a form of repayment for losing his own.

It takes the return of the Chief Warlord of Kashyyk to snap Leia out of things. Finn and Wedge Antilles, along with Threepio and Artoo, travel to the jungle world of the Wookiees and seek out Leia's old confidant at the urging of a group of concerned Senators led by Holdo. Enter the search for Chewbacca. Chewie is passing through the rites of leadership along with two other Wookiee leaders, and he refuses to leave until he has claimed the mantle of Chief Warlord. So Finn works with Chewie, forms a bond with him in the process, and unites Kashyyk.

At the same time, Boba Fett decides to retire. Fett has taken up residence in a seedy corner of a volcanic moon of Coruscant, one known for supplying raw mineral resources to the larger planet. He questions why he didn't want revenge against Solo, and he wonders if the death of his father makes him an enemy of this new Republic. Did he betray his father's legacy by helping the spiritual successor of the government that murdered his dad in front of him? These are questions he asks a local Trandoshan who reminds him of an old friend. They bond, despite their mutually gruff exteriors.

Thrawn's forces are divided into two; the distraction, where Baron Soontir Fel, a legendary TIE pilot, is commanding the troops, and Thrawn's troops on Coruscant. Zsinj demands from Thrawn two things: the Holocrons, and Fett's head. Zsinj acknowledges that he miscalculated by believing a crooked bounty hunter was worth his word.

Thrawn's troops, and Thrawn himself, hit the surface of the Coruscant moon and after a hand-to-hand battle demonstrating how Thrawn's new hands make him a match in physical combat with anyone thanks to his tactical mind, Fett is seemingly killed. In reality, Fett has performed a switcheroo with his Trandoshan friend, and he escapes without his armor. He reveals that he's been keeping his father's armor inside of his ship as he flees, and he dons it.

Thrawn learns that the Holocrons are being kept on the Dyson Sphere planetoid. Relaying this information to Zsinj, Zsinj decides to infiltrate the society of that planetoid, a rudimentary, simplistic culture, in disguise. At this point, Zsinj discovers the location of Luke and Rey, and also that Luke considers Rey a successor, like a daughter. His faux persona ingratiates itself with Rey over time, and he gains her trust, pushing her to question Luke even further.

The fleet is launched, and Thrawn is able to use the massive migration of ships as cover to move in his own ships, under the cover of asteroids. Leia travels to the location of Fel, a binary star system, with a massive portion of the Republic's fleet. Chewie sends a transmission to Leia while she's in the process of hyperspeed travel, and there's a life-size confrontation between the two. Leia claims he abandoned Han; Chewie says that he knew his role was as a leader of his people in this new galaxy, and so is hers. And being a great warrior also means being cautious and being a protector. Marching forward forever leaves your back exposed. Leia hugs the hologram before realizing his words may have revealed Thrawn's strategy.

Coruscant is attacked by the exploding asteroids, revealing Thrawn's fleet. Leia is too late; as her own fleet pulls out of hyperspeed, They're trapped in the gravity wells of the binary stars, surrounded by Fel's fleet.

At this point we have a massive battle in two locations, and this syncs up with Rey's betrayal of Luke and a battle. Rey has been poisoned by Zsinj's words. Man has ruined the purity of the Force; society has ruined the essence of man, and Luke represents both to her.

As Holdo and the Senators of Coruscant begin to fall to Thrawn's troops, Leia is also losing her troops to Soontir Fel. At that point however, the Kashyyk armada, comprised of spiky ships that luke like bundles of metallic spears, arrive in the binary star system. That battle eventually wraps with Chewie and Finn leading these massive, ships that eject shrapnel armor as weaponry against the capital ships of Fel's fleet. Wedge, alongside his friends, dogfights with Fel, who narrowly escapes as his fleet is destroyed. Over audio, Fel cackles and claims that this was all about buying time. "Have your husband. We'll have your empire." Han is rescued.

Holdo's capital ships are falling; Thrawn is going to take Coruscant, and most of the fleet that remains is depleted. Fett, however, begins to buy time by suggesting to Holdo that she ram her ships into Thrawn's. Fett flies his own ship into the belly of Thrawn's ship thanks to a tear created by Holdo's. He offloads and begins causing havoc. The internal distraction slows down Thrawn's attack, and this proves enough time for the Kashyyk and Republic forces to return. The battle is evenly matched.

But, meanwhile, Luke has lost his fight with Rey, choosing to not fight her. "I will not fight," he says, echoing Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and even himself. Rey refuses to listen; instead, she pins Luke to the wall of their home with a lightsaber in his shoulder, and steals the Holocrons. She brings them to Zsinj.

Zsinj reveals himself, and unlocking all five, he believes he is receiving the knowledge of Revan. Instead, he's unlocked the spirit of Revan, whose essence was separated and trapped by the combined might of the Jedi and Sith. Revan reveals, through a mechanical voice that disguises their true identity, that all of this was pre-ordained. Revan has been watching the galaxy's dual nature consume itself. The only path to peace is the eradication of all opposing forces. Union is found in nothingness. The universe existed as nothing before the Big Bang. And in oblivion, there is peace. Life can only exist as an unharnessed, uncontrolled, pure form. This seems to reach Rey. Revan tells Rey to strike down Zsinj and therefore eradicate half of the dual nature of the remaining pieces of the ages-old conflict between Republic and Sith. Rey obliges, and this seems to fully release Revan from the Holocrons. Revan takes to Coruscant with Rey and destroys both Thrawn's and Leia's fleets and leaves a message written in the surface of Coruscant. "I AM RETURNED."

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05/27/20 3:36:53 PM
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what is a dyson sphere planetoid?

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