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PostContestUlti 05/26/20 9:39:39 PM #253:	This video is safe to watch. It has no spoilers in it whatsoever. Scout's honor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6f6mmuh_04 Have I mentioned that Druckmann is so woke that he fired a woman from out of her position as head writer at Naughty Dog? I hope the irony isn't lost on people here. And even after all this BS and all this nonsense and all this controversy, it ''still'' gets so much worse. How do you guys think Sony and Naughty Dog reacted to all this? By going full Barbara Streisand, of course! Youtube, and most social media really, has a means to protect privacy and protect content from theft. You submit a DMCA complaint, and poof. The issue is because these social media sites are so huge, the process is often automated and leads to erroneous deletions of legitimate content. Did Sony and Naughy Dog respond to this controversy by diffusing it, issuing any apologies, anything? Of course not. They scoured the internet and submitted a bunch of falsified DMCA claims. Some of them were legitimate so as to get rid of videos playing the actual leak. That was fine. But they also flagged people who were simply ''talking'' about the leaks or covering it like a news story, which is why a bunch of content creators had to put legalese in their videos threatening lawsuits. Rather than try to cover all of the fraudulent deletions, this screenshot should suffice. https://i.imgur.com/xjg0o8m.png Yes, Sony actually DMCA'd themselves. That is a real tweet that you can still see as of this writing, though I imagine they'll eventually delete it entirely. But trust me, for the wiki readers who see this in a few years, this actually happened. Be warned if you actually look it up though, as there are spoilers in the comments. It should also be noted that Sony went way, way overboard. Entire channels were deleted and they also struck down harmless memes that spoiled nothing. Does it get even worse? '''Of course it does.''' Sony and Naughty Dog have even gone so far as to blatantly submit false review scores to try boosting the game. Don't worry, this video is spoiler-free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6B4fFaXCU He's using numbers from a couple weeks ago. We're up to about 3100 scores as of this writing, and the game still has a perfect rating on the Playstation store. I've said this many times, but the only reviews in gaming that tell the truth are word of mouth reviews and/or people who are 100% independent. People paid to write reviews for companies and these aggregator web sites are manipulated on the professional side. There are far too may examples to list, but this aggregate score is literally impossible. Review copies haven't gone out yet and there is no way 3100 people have preordered the game on the store just to give it a 5 star rating. This has all been one of the biggest scandals in gaming history -- the story truly is that nutty, and the game isn't even out yet, just wait until June -- and one of the biggest stories of a gaming company fucking up you'll ever see. The story isn't even over yet, which is the crazy part. tl;dr version - People don't want SJW trash infecting entertainment anymore, yet somehow even the legendarily awful levels of the actual SJW trash did not match how bad Sony's attempt at damage control has been. Which brings us to the actual match. In ''The Art of War'', Sun Tzu discuss the tactics and strategy used that allowed his army of 10,000 to conquer an army of 100,000. One line from the text is very valid here: <i>"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."</i> Dark Souls never had to actually "win" this match. It just had to sit there and wait. The Last of Us botched this entire build so badly that we were about to see one of the biggest contest collapses in our history, and this might legitimately be the biggest mid-contest fail we've ever had. I'm too lazy to try looking it up to compare it to anything else, but by the numbers I'll be shocked if anything tops this. We played fun with numbers during the last round's writeup for Batman vs Last of Us, but just in case anyone forgot: Batman: Arkham City (2015g) VS The Last of Us (2015g) Batman: Arkham City has a strength of 25.17. The Last of Us has a strength of 27.36. The Last of Us wins with 54.00% of the vote! A win of 4,873 with 60,875 total votes cast. Last of Us would end up winning with 55.24%, so we can safely say adjustments and whatever else was done in the 2015 stats for these two games was accurate. Let's bring up the original fun with numbers from the beginning of all this one more time: Dark Souls (2015g) VS The Last of Us (2015g) Dark Souls has a strength of 25.11. The Last of Us has a strength of 27.36. The Last of Us wins with 54.11% of the vote! A win of 5,006 with 60,875 total votes cast. Dark Souls clearly went up between 2015 and 2020, that much is obvious, but the exact amount is anyone's guess. Thankfully, we know through Dark Souls vs MGS5 that we have 8% to work with. 8% can be split up for a Dark Souls boost and MGS5 deboost however anyone wants, but here's the point. You could give that entire 8% to Dark Souls and it turns this into a 54-46 match. Obviously it wasn't the full 8%, but you can see where I'm going with this. When this poll started, Dark Souls beat the ''piss'' out of The Last of Us. It was well over 60% for a very long time here, and only a slight percentage bleed with the day vote gave The Last of Us any shred of dignity whatsoever on the way out of this contest. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that of the 8% we talked about earlier, we split it right in half. 4% Dark Souls, 4% MGS5. Pre-leak, we had evidence The Last of Us hadn't moved, so 4% from Dark Souls would have made this a 50-50 type of match that Dark Souls probably would have won in the 52-48 range. Maybe 51-49. In the actual match, Dark Souls won 58-42 and it could have ''easily'' been more. Do you guys understand how thoroughly ridiculous it is for a game to deboost by nearly 10% mid-contest in under 2 weeks? I'm not upset The Last of Us Lost this match -- though I am quite happy I was out of the guru by this point because losing on this garbage would have been beyond dumb -- because all evidence leading up to this pointed to an easy win for Dark Souls. What I am upset about is just how brazen and stupid Sony, Naughty Dog, and Neil Druckmann have been with all this. It's one of the worst displays of self sabotage I've ever seen from a gaming company, and it ''almost'' rivals the idiocy of Activision-Blizzard. This is an ongoing thing, so I doubt it's the last we'll hear about the indefensible shitshow this all is. Seeing it play out live in a contest was nuts, too. Like people wanted to '''punish''' The Last of Us here, and who could blame them? In the end, both games deserved what they got here. The Last of Us deserved to get its ass kicked, and Dark Souls also deserved to win a division. Let's not toss that aside. A contest called "Game of the Decade" would be borderline fraudulent without something related to Souls making the final eight, and having it be the flagship of the franchise made it awesome. This would set up a potentially incredible match between Dark Souls and Skyrim, provided Skyrim was able to get past Pokemon. In the end, game developers, be smart and listen to your fans. Don't be trash like Disobedient Canine. Be more like From Software. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939756999] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>This video is safe to watch. It has no spoilers in it whatsoever. Scout's honor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6f6mmuh_04 Have I mentioned that Druckmann is so woke that he fired a woman from out of her position as head writer at Naughty Dog? I hope the irony isn't lost on people here. And even after all this BS and all this nonsense and all this controversy, it ''still'' gets so much worse. How do you guys think Sony and Naughty Dog reacted to all this? By going full Barbara Streisand, of course! Youtube, and most social media really, has a means to protect privacy and protect content from theft. You submit a DMCA complaint, and poof. The issue is because these social media sites are so huge, the process is often automated and leads to erroneous deletions of legitimate content. Did Sony and Naughy Dog respond to this controversy by diffusing it, issuing any apologies, anything? Of course not. They scoured the internet and submitted a bunch of falsified DMCA claims. Some of them were legitimate so as to get rid of videos playing the actual leak. That was fine. But they also flagged people who were simply ''talking'' about the leaks or covering it like a news story, which is why a bunch of content creators had to put legalese in their videos threatening lawsuits. Rather than try to cover all of the fraudulent deletions, this screenshot should suffice. https://i.imgur.com/xjg0o8m.png Yes, Sony actually DMCA'd themselves. That is a real tweet that you can still see as of this writing, though I imagine they'll eventually delete it entirely. But trust me, for the wiki readers who see this in a few years, this actually happened. Be warned if you actually look it up though, as there are spoilers in the comments. It should also be noted that Sony went way, way overboard. Entire channels were deleted and they also struck down harmless memes that spoiled nothing. Does it get even worse? '''Of course it does.''' Sony and Naughty Dog have even gone so far as to blatantly submit false review scores to try boosting the game. Don't worry, this video is spoiler-free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6B4fFaXCU He's using numbers from a couple weeks ago. We're up to about 3100 scores as of this writing, and the game still has a perfect rating on the Playstation store. I've said this many times, but the only reviews in gaming that tell the truth are word of mouth reviews and/or people who are 100% independent. People paid to write reviews for companies and these aggregator web sites are manipulated on the professional side. There are far too may examples to list, but this aggregate score is literally impossible. Review copies haven't gone out yet and there is no way 3100 people have preordered the game on the store just to give it a 5 star rating. This has all been one of the biggest scandals in gaming history -- the story truly is that nutty, and the game isn't even out yet, just wait until June -- and one of the biggest stories of a gaming company fucking up you'll ever see. The story isn't even over yet, which is the crazy part. tl;dr version - People don't want SJW trash infecting entertainment anymore, yet somehow even the legendarily awful levels of the actual SJW trash did not match how bad Sony's attempt at damage control has been. Which brings us to the actual match. In ''The Art of War'', Sun Tzu discuss the tactics and strategy used that allowed his army of 10,000 to conquer an army of 100,000. One line from the text is very valid here: <i>"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."</i> Dark Souls never had to actually "win" this match. It just had to sit there and wait. The Last of Us botched this entire build so badly that we were about to see one of the biggest contest collapses in our history, and this might legitimately be the biggest mid-contest fail we've ever had. I'm too lazy to try looking it up to compare it to anything else, but by the numbers I'll be shocked if anything tops this. We played fun with numbers during the last round's writeup for Batman vs Last of Us, but just in case anyone forgot: Batman: Arkham City (2015g) VS The Last of Us (2015g) Batman: Arkham City has a strength of 25.17. The Last of Us has a strength of 27.36. The Last of Us wins with 54.00% of the vote! A win of 4,873 with 60,875 total votes cast. Last of Us would end up winning with 55.24%, so we can safely say adjustments and whatever else was done in the 2015 stats for these two games was accurate. Let's bring up the original fun with numbers from the beginning of all this one more time: Dark Souls (2015g) VS The Last of Us (2015g) Dark Souls has a strength of 25.11. The Last of Us has a strength of 27.36. The Last of Us wins with 54.11% of the vote! A win of 5,006 with 60,875 total votes cast. Dark Souls clearly went up between 2015 and 2020, that much is obvious, but the exact amount is anyone's guess. Thankfully, we know through Dark Souls vs MGS5 that we have 8% to work with. 8% can be split up for a Dark Souls boost and MGS5 deboost however anyone wants, but here's the point. You could give that entire 8% to Dark Souls and it turns this into a 54-46 match. Obviously it wasn't the full 8%, but you can see where I'm going with this. When this poll started, Dark Souls beat the ''piss'' out of The Last of Us. It was well over 60% for a very long time here, and only a slight percentage bleed with the day vote gave The Last of Us any shred of dignity whatsoever on the way out of this contest. Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that of the 8% we talked about earlier, we split it right in half. 4% Dark Souls, 4% MGS5. Pre-leak, we had evidence The Last of Us hadn't moved, so 4% from Dark Souls would have made this a 50-50 type of match that Dark Souls probably would have won in the 52-48 range. Maybe 51-49. In the actual match, Dark Souls won 58-42 and it could have ''easily'' been more. Do you guys understand how thoroughly ridiculous it is for a game to deboost by nearly 10% mid-contest in under 2 weeks? I'm not upset The Last of Us Lost this match -- though I am quite happy I was out of the guru by this point because losing on this garbage would have been beyond dumb -- because all evidence leading up to this pointed to an easy win for Dark Souls. What I am upset about is just how brazen and stupid Sony, Naughty Dog, and Neil Druckmann have been with all this. It's one of the worst displays of self sabotage I've ever seen from a gaming company, and it ''almost'' rivals the idiocy of Activision-Blizzard. This is an ongoing thing, so I doubt it's the last we'll hear about the indefensible shitshow this all is. Seeing it play out live in a contest was nuts, too. Like people wanted to '''punish''' The Last of Us here, and who could blame them? In the end, both games deserved what they got here. The Last of Us deserved to get its ass kicked, and Dark Souls also deserved to win a division. Let's not toss that aside. A contest called "Game of the Decade" would be borderline fraudulent without something related to Souls making the final eight, and having it be the flagship of the franchise made it awesome. This would set up a potentially incredible match between Dark Souls and Skyrim, provided Skyrim was able to get past Pokemon. In the end, game developers, be smart and listen to your fans. Don't be trash like Disobedient Canine. Be more like From Software. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/26/20 9:54:33 PM #254:	Division 8 Final: (1)The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim vs (3)Pokmon HeartGold / SoulSilver Version (1)Skyrim - 15311 [59.82%] (3)Pokemon HGSS - 10284 [40.18%] Total Votes - 25595 Prediction Percentage - 53.66% This writeup will seem like a short letdown after the last one, but the last match's writeup took me three days to do. Give me a break :p There were a few matches in this contest, namely this one, Witcher 3 vs Mario Galaxy 2, and Skyrim vs Mario Kart 8, where a western titan went up against a Nintendo game of decent strength, but not ''titanic'' strength. These matches played out in exactly the same way -- a small struggle early where it looked like Nintendo might make it interesting, followed by the western titan flexing some muscle and winning the match in 60-40 fashion. A ''lot'' of hype was given to Pokemon in the leadup to this match, because Skyrim looked prime to be picked off in an upset, and Pokemon is a master at winning matches like that. Things were interesting when the poll started, but unfortunately for Pokemon, that's all she wrote. Even with Skyrim looking slightly weaker this contest than in 2015, it was still more than strong enough to get rid of Pokemon. I have no problem with the first three Pokemon generations, but given how the fans of this game acted against Nier Automata I was happy to be rid of them one round after we got rid of the Nier ass brigade. This would close out divisional play, and from here it was 7 main contest matches plus a single bonus poll. I'd love to build suspense up here as if we were wondering things live, but there was no way Breath of the Wild wasn't winning this thing. Still, journey not destination and such. This match also booted out the last of the three remake games, which was frankly nice to see. Resident Evil 2 getting in I can accept, but not Persona 4 Golden or Pokemon HGSS. Regardless of how strong the games were and how well they performed, it was unfair for them to get in. It was nice to see them not winning divisions over more deserving games. On to the final rounds! --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939757647] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Division 8 Final: (1)The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim vs (3)Pokmon HeartGold / SoulSilver Version (1)Skyrim - 15311 [59.82%] (3)Pokemon HGSS - 10284 [40.18%] Total Votes - 25595 Prediction Percentage - 53.66% This writeup will seem like a short letdown after the last one, but the last match's writeup took me three days to do. Give me a break :p There were a few matches in this contest, namely this one, Witcher 3 vs Mario Galaxy 2, and Skyrim vs Mario Kart 8, where a western titan went up against a Nintendo game of decent strength, but not ''titanic'' strength. These matches played out in exactly the same way -- a small struggle early where it looked like Nintendo might make it interesting, followed by the western titan flexing some muscle and winning the match in 60-40 fashion. A ''lot'' of hype was given to Pokemon in the leadup to this match, because Skyrim looked prime to be picked off in an upset, and Pokemon is a master at winning matches like that. Things were interesting when the poll started, but unfortunately for Pokemon, that's all she wrote. Even with Skyrim looking slightly weaker this contest than in 2015, it was still more than strong enough to get rid of Pokemon. I have no problem with the first three Pokemon generations, but given how the fans of this game acted against Nier Automata I was happy to be rid of them one round after we got rid of the Nier ass brigade. This would close out divisional play, and from here it was 7 main contest matches plus a single bonus poll. I'd love to build suspense up here as if we were wondering things live, but there was no way Breath of the Wild wasn't winning this thing. Still, journey not destination and such. This match also booted out the last of the three remake games, which was frankly nice to see. Resident Evil 2 getting in I can accept, but not Persona 4 Golden or Pokemon HGSS. Regardless of how strong the games were and how well they performed, it was unfair for them to get in. It was nice to see them not winning divisions over more deserving games. On to the final rounds! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestnun 05/26/20 10:30:24 PM #255:	PostContestUlti posted... -Charlotte Flair -Becky Lynch -Shayna Baszler -Ronda Rousey -Sara del Ray -Sarah Stock -Portia Perez -Cheerleader Melissa -Kris Statlander -Toni Storm -Bianca Belair Toni Storm had nudes of her leak on the internet. That's why she's not on the main roster yet. No one to blame but herself. Just sayin' <cite>Prestnun posted [p:939759144] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote> PostContestUlti posted... </cite> <quote> -Charlotte Flair -Becky Lynch -Shayna Baszler -Ronda Rousey -Sara del Ray -Sarah Stock -Portia Perez -Cheerleader Melissa -Kris Statlander -Toni Storm -Bianca Belair </quote> Toni Storm had nudes of her leak on the internet. That's why she's not on the main roster yet. No one to blame but herself. Just sayin' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nintendogs 05/26/20 11:45:07 PM #257:	claps at Ulti's The Last of Us writeup That was beautiful there. I tip my hat towards you for telling the truth. Well done. tips hat And for the SJW's that claim that Captain Marvel did something revolutionary by merely starring a superheroine, they forget that there were two other recently-released movies that each starred a strong woman and were based on a comic: Wonder Woman and Alita: Battle Angel. As your list has shown, we've always had strong and likeable female characters throughout history without pushing political correctness, and will continue to do so in the future. That said Ulti, I still feel that that SJW's remain in significant strength today, even if many consumers have displayed their rejection on some of their works. An accurate observation IMO is that Social Justice Warriors are the secular left-wing equivalent of the fundamentalist Christians that made their voices from the 70's to the 00's that considered the likes of Harry Potter to be satanic. But I find SJW's more dangerous, because while those Christians were mocked, SJW's have been influential and backed up by various celebrities, journalists, politicians, universities, corporations and other organizations. Just look at this article for an example: https://www.player.one/style-savvy-fashion-forward-kind-really-sexist-549942 Or an even more egregious example is so-called "feminist glaciology", published by the University of Oregon (the second link is a reaction to such an article): https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132515623368?journalCode=phgb https://nationalpost.com/news/world/heres-why-an-article-about-feminist-glaciology-is-still-the-top-read-paper-in-a-major-geography-journal What also makes them more troublesome is that if we call them out on their BS, they will label us as alt-right Trump supporters. If SJW's get their way with this kind of thinking, I feel that my 1st Amendment rights, especially the freedom of thought, speech and religion, would be severely threatened and suppressed. But I will not go down without a fight. <cite>Nintendogs posted [p:939761957] in ~Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>claps at Ulti's The Last of Us writeup* That was beautiful there. I tip my hat towards you for telling the truth. Well done. tips hat And for the SJW's that claim that Captain Marvel did something revolutionary by merely starring a superheroine, they forget that there were two other recently-released movies that each starred a strong woman and were based on a comic: Wonder Woman and Alita: Battle Angel. As your list has shown, we've always had strong and likeable female characters throughout history without pushing political correctness, and will continue to do so in the future. That said Ulti, I still feel that that SJW's remain in significant strength today, even if many consumers have displayed their rejection on some of their works. An accurate observation IMO is that Social Justice Warriors are the secular left-wing equivalent of the fundamentalist Christians that made their voices from the 70's to the 00's that considered the likes of Harry Potter to be satanic. But I find SJW's more dangerous, because while those Christians were mocked, SJW's have been influential and backed up by various celebrities, journalists, politicians, universities, corporations and other organizations. Just look at this article for an example: https://www.player.one/style-savvy-fashion-forward-kind-really-sexist-549942 Or an even more egregious example is so-called "feminist glaciology", published by the University of Oregon (the second link is a reaction to such an article): https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132515623368?journalCode=phgb https://nationalpost.com/news/world/heres-why-an-article-about-feminist-glaciology-is-still-the-top-read-paper-in-a-major-geography-journal What also makes them more troublesome is that if we call them out on their BS, they will label us as alt-right Trump supporters. If SJW's get their way with this kind of thinking, I feel that my 1st Amendment rights, especially the freedom of thought, speech and religion, would be severely threatened and suppressed. But I will not go down without a fight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 05/27/20 12:05:20 AM #258:	Prestnun posted... Toni Storm had nudes of her leak on the internet. That's why she's not on the main roster yet. No one to blame but herself. Just sayin' That's "victim blaming" you cis amab --- Props to azuarc, the current Guru of the Decade. Wear this title with pride! <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:939762594] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Prestnun posted... </cite> <quote>Toni Storm had nudes of her leak on the internet. That's why she's not on the main roster yet. No one to blame but herself. Just sayin'</quote>That's "victim blaming" you cis amab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCodeisBosco 05/27/20 12:13:54 AM #259:	Hoo boy, that Dark Souls/TLOU writeup was the humdinger I was hoping it would be. Bravo. A few random thoughts. 1) Last year, I firmly believed Pokemon Sword/Shield had the biggest shitshow of a pre-release window I had ever seen. I still can't believe it's not only been topped, but was topped so quickly. The gaming industry is going through some serious growing pains, that's for sure. 2) I like this quote: "This stuff just does not sell, which is why these people go on social media to spread their BS; they just aren't accepted anywhere else." I'm really excited to see what the 2020s have in store, because I firmly believe that backlash towards social media is going to be one of the biggest counterculture movements of the coming years. Across all platforms, the level of shrill vitriol has become flat-out untenable, and an increasing number of people are going to reach a breaking point and cut as much of this social secondhand smoke from their lives as possible. I'm totally here for it. 3) Neil Druckmann needs a handler so fucking bad. Or a career change. --- The music was thud-like. The music was... thud-like. <cite>TheCodeisBosco posted [p:939762856] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Hoo boy, that Dark Souls/TLOU writeup was the humdinger I was hoping it would be. Bravo. A few random thoughts. 1) Last year, I firmly believed Pokemon Sword/Shield had the biggest shitshow of a pre-release window I had ever seen. I still can't believe it's not only been topped, but was topped so quickly. The gaming industry is going through some serious growing pains, that's for sure. 2) I like this quote: "This stuff just does not sell, which is why these people go on social media to spread their BS; they just aren't accepted anywhere else." I'm really excited to see what the 2020s have in store, because I firmly believe that backlash towards social media is going to be one of the biggest counterculture movements of the coming years. Across all platforms, the level of shrill vitriol has become flat-out untenable, and an increasing number of people are going to reach a breaking point and cut as much of this social secondhand smoke from their lives as possible. I'm totally here for it. 3) Neil Druckmann needs a handler so fucking bad. Or a career change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 05/27/20 12:17:37 AM #260:	I think the rise in bullshit SJWism is directly related to the rise in social media, and the overall degradation of critical thinking happening to the entire population. Think about it, all of the "hot takes" you see on Twitter are a stream of consciousness to a bunch of people that historically never had a platform to air that stream at. This has resulted in the rapid rise of what I call "emotional decision making". People so badly want that instant gratification they get from Twitter/Facebook etc, that they buy full force into the cause de jeur, even though any small measure of critical thinking immediately exposes the flaws in that line of thinking. A great example is the "public backlash" to the numerous oil and gas pipelines recently. People buy into the "evil polluting corporation from Captain Planet" narrative and feel good about how "woke" and "environmentally concious" they are. However, any amount of research or critical thinking immediately highlights how pipelines are better for the environment than the alternatives. I've actually seen some of these people decry hydro electricity because "it floods the forest". The subject of representation in media is also a silly one. These internet trolls claim that every piece of media needs a token cast member of every race/gender/ethnicity/whatever, despite the fact that some of the people they are asking for token characters of represent groups that comprise a miniscule portion of the population. This whole thing has spiralled out of control to the point of absurdity, and as Ulti said, people are starting to wake up to it. My favourite example of tokenism run amok is the 2016 Ghostbusters movie. We were supposed to like it, because "girl power", and it ended up being one of the shittiest movies ever made. Yet if you point out that their brand of screaming and fart jokes isn't at all funny, you're a "basement dwelling sexist". Oh please. People say "gamers are racist" because they don't buy into tokenism and other tripe of that sort, but in reality, gamers are just better critical thinkers than the average population, and are more likely to question the media being placed in front of them (as opposed to say, movie-goers or TV watchers). --- Props to azuarc, the current Guru of the Decade. Wear this title with pride! <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:939762969] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I think the rise in bullshit SJWism is directly related to the rise in social media, and the overall degradation of critical thinking happening to the entire population. Think about it, all of the "hot takes" you see on Twitter are a stream of consciousness to a bunch of people that historically never had a platform to air that stream at. This has resulted in the rapid rise of what I call "emotional decision making". People so badly want that instant gratification they get from Twitter/Facebook etc, that they buy full force into the cause de jeur, even though any small measure of critical thinking immediately exposes the flaws in that line of thinking. A great example is the "public backlash" to the numerous oil and gas pipelines recently. People buy into the "evil polluting corporation from Captain Planet" narrative and feel good about how "woke" and "environmentally concious" they are. However, any amount of research or critical thinking immediately highlights how pipelines are better for the environment than the alternatives. I've actually seen some of these people decry hydro electricity because "it floods the forest". The subject of representation in media is also a silly one. These internet trolls claim that every piece of media needs a token cast member of every race/gender/ethnicity/whatever, despite the fact that some of the people they are asking for token characters of represent groups that comprise a miniscule portion of the population. This whole thing has spiralled out of control to the point of absurdity, and as Ulti said, people are starting to wake up to it. My favourite example of tokenism run amok is the 2016 Ghostbusters movie. We were supposed to like it, because "girl power", and it ended up being one of the shittiest movies ever made. Yet if you point out that their brand of screaming and fart jokes isn't at all funny, you're a "basement dwelling sexist". Oh please. People say "gamers are racist" because they don't buy into tokenism and other tripe of that sort, but in reality, gamers are just better critical thinkers than the average population, and are more likely to question the media being placed in front of them (as opposed to say, movie-goers or TV watchers). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColZach 05/27/20 2:04:19 AM #261:	Im just upset the Dark Souls writeup didnt just talk more about why Dark Souls and souls games in general are just so good do gotta admit, anything of the decade in this generation absolutely HAD to give dark souls a spotlight. <cite>ColZach posted [p:939766146] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Im just upset the Dark Souls writeup didnt just talk more about why Dark Souls and souls games in general are just so good do gotta admit, anything of the decade in this generation absolutely HAD to give dark souls a spotlight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 2:55:18 AM #262:	ColZach posted... Im just upset the Dark Souls writeup didnt just talk more about why Dark Souls and souls games in general are just so good do gotta admit, anything of the decade in this generation absolutely HAD to give dark souls a spotlight. I'm guessing that's what Souls vs. Skyrim will be. Usually the extreme love/hate writeups are saved for their last match --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939767347] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>ColZach posted... </cite> <quote>Im just upset the Dark Souls writeup didnt just talk more about why Dark Souls and souls games in general are just so good do gotta admit, anything of the decade in this generation absolutely HAD to give dark souls a spotlight.</quote> I'm guessing that's what Souls vs. Skyrim will be. Usually the extreme love/hate writeups are saved for their last match </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 2:56:04 AM #263:	PostContestUlti posted... -Padme (yeah I fucking said it, do not @ me) As someone who actually openly loves the Star Wars Prequels, Padme is a pretty underrated character. Especially moreso in the Clone Wars series --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939767364] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>PostContestUlti posted... </cite> <quote>-Padme (yeah I fucking said it, do not @ me)</quote> As someone who actually openly loves the Star Wars Prequels, Padme is a pretty underrated character. Especially moreso in the Clone Wars series </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/27/20 4:48:52 AM #264:	UltimaterializerX posted... Oh no, nudes of the female body! Are you like 9 years old or something? Never mind the fact that she wouldn't even be the only person in a prominent position in WWE on that list that has had a revenge porn incident. Or that Paige and Xavier Woods had a very public leak around Wrestlemania season and it had absolutely no retaliatory effect on their WWE career. WWE is a backwards company in a lot of ways, but they will stand up for their talent on this issue. As far as the match goes, I never really thought of Last of Us as a threat to Dark Souls. I just figured Dark Souls was the more influential and decade-defining game, which you could tell even before the contest with all of the Souls family games sporting high seeds, winnable matches, and sheer quantity of entrants (Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Dark Souls III, Sekiro). That just doesn't happen on accident, and I was so dismissive of TLOU that I didn't even bother checking the leaderboard to see if I cracked into the Top 50 after the match, which thanks to Xenoblade and Dark Souls, I did end up creeping on there until Witcher's inevitable victory over Skyrim. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:939769391] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>Oh no, nudes of the female body! Are you like 9 years old or something?</quote>Never mind the fact that she wouldn't even be the only person in a prominent position in WWE on that list that has had a revenge porn incident. Or that Paige and Xavier Woods had a very public leak around Wrestlemania season and it had absolutely no retaliatory effect on their WWE career. WWE is a backwards company in a lot of ways, but they will stand up for their talent on this issue. As far as the match goes, I never really thought of Last of Us as a threat to Dark Souls. I just figured Dark Souls was the more influential and decade-defining game, which you could tell even before the contest with all of the Souls family games sporting high seeds, winnable matches, and sheer quantity of entrants (Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Dark Souls III, Sekiro). That just doesn't happen on accident, and I was so dismissive of TLOU that I didn't even bother checking the leaderboard to see if I cracked into the Top 50 after the match, which thanks to Xenoblade and Dark Souls, I did end up creeping on there until Witcher's inevitable victory over Skyrim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 6:42:30 AM #266:	I find the whole SJW thing blown way out of proportion, but I will admit Ulti at least doesn't ONLY rant about them? I don't know, somehow I find Ulti's anti-SJW rants a little more palatable than most on the Interweb's like The Critical Drinker's. I don't even know how to fully get across my point here. I guess I see that most big blockbuster movies of the past few years don't have predominantly white male casts, and thus feel that the whole notion of "Get Woke, Go Broke" is drastically overplayed? Especially when a lot of stuff that seems to confirm that idea can be easily explained some other way, for instance Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because practically no one gives a toss about that franchise anymore (I mean in relative terms obviously, compared to something like Star Wars or Jurassic Park), and same with Terminator: Dark Fate and Charlie's Angels 2019. If anything I can name about as many movies that fell prey to some kind of race- or gender-related controversy with the media and flopped in part due to it, such as The Last Airbender, The Lone Ranger, The Great Wall, Ghost in the Shell 2017, Cloud Atlas, Pan, Aloha, and Pixels. There's probably a reason why Michael Bay and Adam Sandler have been practically banished to Netflix. I just don't know. This whole situation is unbelievably ugly. Having said that though, Naughty Dog is such a mess. That is undeniable. And obviously I'm not in favour of extremists like Anita Sarkeesian, who is indeed a crazy lady, but it's not like the controversies involving companies like Bethesda and Gearbox involve SJWs. I must be the only one who has loads of problems with modern cinema, but find social justice politics to be pretty far down that list. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939771170] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I find the whole SJW thing blown way out of proportion, but I will admit Ulti at least doesn't ONLY rant about them? I don't know, somehow I find Ulti's anti-SJW rants a little more palatable than most on the Interweb's like The Critical Drinker's. I don't even know how to fully get across my point here. I guess I see that most big blockbuster movies of the past few years don't have predominantly white male casts, and thus feel that the whole notion of "Get Woke, Go Broke" is drastically overplayed? Especially when a lot of stuff that seems to confirm that idea can be easily explained some other way, for instance Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because practically no one gives a toss about that franchise anymore (I mean in relative terms obviously, compared to something like Star Wars or Jurassic Park), and same with Terminator: Dark Fate and Charlie's Angels 2019. If anything I can name about as many movies that fell prey to some kind of race- or gender-related controversy with the media and flopped in part due to it, such as The Last Airbender, The Lone Ranger, The Great Wall, Ghost in the Shell 2017, Cloud Atlas, Pan, Aloha, and Pixels. There's probably a reason why Michael Bay and Adam Sandler have been practically banished to Netflix. I just don't know. This whole situation is unbelievably ugly. Having said that though, Naughty Dog is such a mess. That is undeniable. And obviously I'm not in favour of extremists like Anita Sarkeesian, who is indeed a crazy lady, but it's not like the controversies involving companies like Bethesda and Gearbox involve SJWs. I must be the only one who has loads of problems with modern cinema, but find social justice politics to be pretty far down that list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RPGlord95 05/27/20 8:29:13 AM #267:	I'm still hyped for TLoU2. --- Whiskey Nick on his cell phone "Every man's heart one day beats its final beat." -Warrior <cite>RPGlord95 posted [p:939773238] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I'm still hyped for TLoU2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 05/27/20 8:54:28 AM #268:	Excellent Dark Souls writeup, though I'll chime in on this... PostContestUlti posted... This is why no one went to see Men In Black International, Birds of Prey, Ghostbusters 2016, Charlie's Angels 2019, Batwoman on CW The only one I can vouch for on here with the SJW backlash is Ghostbusters, and that deserved all the criticism it got. No one watched MIB International because the originals weren't there. No one watched Charlie's Angels 2019 cause it was a reboot literally no one asked for. Can't say anything on my end for Birds of Prey. As for Batwoman, the Arrowverse is getting way out of hand now. For someone brand new to any of it, they'd now have to watch the following: Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Black Lightning (maybe not completely) and now Batwoman who's already recasting the lead role after one season. Five of these six shows are still ongoing. I stuck to the first 3 mentioned, because by the time I got to Supergirl, I was burned out on Arrowverse, not to mention it stopped being good after one season. --- Formerly known as Raven 2 https://twitch.tv/ZeroSignalX <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:939773962] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Excellent Dark Souls writeup, though I'll chime in on this... PostContestUlti posted... </cite> <quote>This is why no one went to see Men In Black International, Birds of Prey, Ghostbusters 2016, Charlie's Angels 2019, Batwoman on CW</quote> The only one I can vouch for on here with the SJW backlash is Ghostbusters, and that deserved all the criticism it got. No one watched MIB International because the originals weren't there. No one watched Charlie's Angels 2019 cause it was a reboot literally no one asked for. Can't say anything on my end for Birds of Prey. As for Batwoman, the Arrowverse is getting way out of hand now. For someone brand new to any of it, they'd now have to watch the following: Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Black Lightning (maybe not completely) and now Batwoman who's already recasting the lead role after one season. Five of these six shows are still ongoing. I stuck to the first 3 mentioned, because by the time I got to Supergirl, I was burned out on Arrowverse, not to mention it stopped being good after one season. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 9:06:29 AM #269:	Even as someone who was horrified by the initial trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 and doesn't like what I've seen of the movie itself, I still feel like the OVERALL backlash towards the movie did have a kind of sexist tone to it. At the very least, going by most of the non-political reasons given for the backlash towards it, you'd think the Ben-Hur remake that came out later that same summer would have been similarly hated. Instead no one cared even when it became the biggest money sink of a notoriously poorly-performing summer for film. Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. But yeah, I'm annoyed that so much of the film discourse nowadays revolves around supposed identity politics, as if women and people of color (and the LGBT community) were all variations and white men were the default. Uh, no. With video games, I think the idea of gamers being sexist is just a gross over-generalization at worst - gamers have bad apples in their ranks like literally any other hobby. Not a difficult concept to grasp. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939774334] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Even as someone who was horrified by the initial trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 and doesn't like what I've seen of the movie itself, I still feel like the OVERALL backlash towards the movie did have a kind of sexist tone to it. At the very least, going by most of the non-political reasons given for the backlash towards it, you'd think the Ben-Hur remake that came out later that same summer would have been similarly hated. Instead no one cared even when it became the biggest money sink of a notoriously poorly-performing summer for film. Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. But yeah, I'm annoyed that so much of the film discourse nowadays revolves around supposed identity politics, as if women and people of color (and the LGBT community) were all variations and white men were the default. Uh, no. With video games, I think the idea of gamers being sexist is just a gross over-generalization at worst - gamers have bad apples in their ranks like literally any other hobby. Not a difficult concept to grasp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 05/27/20 9:08:40 AM #270:	Noone watched Birds of Prey because Harley Quinn is a terrible character that in the grand scheme of the DC universe, totally sucks. Now, I'm of the opinion that every movie in the "DC universe" is a steaming dumpster fire, but the only reason Suicide Squad resonated with people is because Margot Robbie is an absolute smoke show, and trying to center an entire movie around her character just highlighted how little there was to like beyond "OMG kinky bewbs" To LMS' "point" about representation in recent years, I find it hilarious that "woke" people cheerfully forget the plethora of "representative" characters from >20 years ago that managed to be great without resorting to tokenism. Instead of relying on good writing to give female/black/gay characters the spotlight, film studios have realized that tokenism is a great way to fool the ignorant masses into watching their movies, and realized that people calling out tokenism is just giving them free publicity (look at the Captain Marvel chick's media tour). "Representation" does not a good movie make, as most clearly evidenced by Black Panther and Captain Marvel being middling MCU movies, bordering on boring. You want a great action movie with a black lead character, go watch the original Independence Day. Want a movie with a badass female lead, go watch Edge of Tomorrow --- Props to azuarc, the current Guru of the Decade. Wear this title with pride! <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:939774403] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Noone watched Birds of Prey because Harley Quinn is a terrible character that in the grand scheme of the DC universe, totally sucks. Now, I'm of the opinion that every movie in the "DC universe" is a steaming dumpster fire, but the only reason Suicide Squad resonated with people is because Margot Robbie is an absolute smoke show, and trying to center an entire movie around her character just highlighted how little there was to like beyond "OMG kinky bewbs" To LMS' "point" about representation in recent years, I find it hilarious that "woke" people cheerfully forget the plethora of "representative" characters from >20 years ago that managed to be great without resorting to tokenism. Instead of relying on good writing to give female/black/gay characters the spotlight, film studios have realized that tokenism is a great way to fool the ignorant masses into watching their movies, and realized that people calling out tokenism is just giving them free publicity (look at the Captain Marvel chick's media tour). "Representation" does not a good movie make, as most clearly evidenced by Black Panther and Captain Marvel being middling MCU movies, bordering on boring. You want a great action movie with a black lead character, go watch the original Independence Day. Want a movie with a badass female lead, go watch Edge of Tomorrow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 9:09:58 AM #271:	Black Panther is way better than Independence Day. So dull. I'd even rather watch Captain Marvel. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939774435] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Black Panther is way better than Independence Day. So dull. I'd even rather watch Captain Marvel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 05/27/20 9:13:15 AM #272:	Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. The biggest problem with Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't sexism, or even the absolute garbage "humour" it was peddling. It was that the movie had nothing in common with the original films. The Plinkett review sums it up well. The jist of it, the original films succeeded because the concept (a bunch of shlubby guys basically starting an extermination company for ghosts) was original, and the cast were an all-star cast of good comedians. None of the cast in 2016 were ever funny (Melissa McCarthy is probably the single least funny person ever, and don't get me started on the lame, one-note Kate McKinnon) --- Props to azuarc, the current Guru of the Decade. Wear this title with pride! <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:939774535] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote> Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. The biggest problem with Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't sexism, or even the absolute garbage "humour" it was peddling. It was that the movie had nothing in common with the original films. The Plinkett review sums it up well. The jist of it, the original films succeeded because the concept (a bunch of shlubby guys basically starting an extermination company for ghosts) was original, and the cast were an all-star cast of good comedians. None of the cast in 2016 were ever funny (Melissa McCarthy is probably the single least funny person ever, and don't get me started on the lame, one-note Kate McKinnon) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RPGlord95 05/27/20 9:20:26 AM #273:	Wiig is good most of the time. McKinnon sometimes is funny but generally not. McCarthy is legit awful and obnoxious all the time. Jones also never funny. Just loud. --- Whiskey Nick on his cell phone "Every man's heart one day beats its final beat." -Warrior <cite>RPGlord95 posted [p:939774735] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Wiig is good most of the time. McKinnon sometimes is funny but generally not. McCarthy is legit awful and obnoxious all the time. Jones also never funny. Just loud. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 9:38:56 AM #274:	BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. The biggest problem with Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't sexism, or even the absolute garbage "humour" it was peddling. It was that the movie had nothing in common with the original films. The Plinkett review sums it up well. The jist of it, the original films succeeded because the concept (a bunch of shlubby guys basically starting an extermination company for ghosts) was original, and the cast were an all-star cast of good comedians. None of the cast in 2016 were ever funny (Melissa McCarthy is probably the single least funny person ever, and don't get me started on the lame, one-note Kate McKinnon) Yeah it was just "hey we need a potential franchise, let's try this!" But I mean, this was like right after the big hack in 2014 - they just greenlit anything that could save the studio's bacon. That line of thinking led them to...The Emoji Movie. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939775325] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>BlAcK TuRtLe posted... </cite> <quote>Heck, the summer of 2016 was chock full of failed reboots and sequels, with Alice Through the Looking Glass and Independence Day: Resurgence also being notable examples. Clearly Ghostbusters 2016 flopped because audiences rejected woke politics, not because they just didn't care to see a reboot of a movie franchise whose last cinematic venture was in 1989! I myself am amazed at how people at Sony thought Ghostbusters 2016 could possibly succeed, but I think the general mindset at the time was that any reboot or sequel will rake in the big bucks, and then that was proven repeatedly to not really be true. To be fair though, the previous two years had brought us stuff like Dumb and Dumber To and Mad Max: Fury Road, so I can't fault executives for thinking people wanted long-awaited sequels and reboots. The biggest problem with Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't sexism, or even the absolute garbage "humour" it was peddling. It was that the movie had nothing in common with the original films. The Plinkett review sums it up well. The jist of it, the original films succeeded because the concept (a bunch of shlubby guys basically starting an extermination company for ghosts) was original, and the cast were an all-star cast of good comedians. None of the cast in 2016 were ever funny (Melissa McCarthy is probably the single least funny person ever, and don't get me started on the lame, one-note Kate McKinnon)</quote> Yeah it was just "hey we need a potential franchise, let's try this!" But I mean, this was like right after the big hack in 2014 - they just greenlit anything that could save the studio's bacon. That line of thinking led them to...The Emoji Movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCodeisBosco 05/27/20 9:47:48 AM #275:	I really enjoyed Spy and thought Melissa McCarthy led that movie well. Don't feel one way or the other about her otherwise. --- The music was thud-like. The music was... thud-like. <cite>TheCodeisBosco posted [p:939775568] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I really enjoyed Spy and thought Melissa McCarthy led that movie well. Don't feel one way or the other about her otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Safer_777 05/27/20 10:09:03 AM #276:	I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it. --- So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing? Azuarc the best Guru of the 2020 Contest! Nice job man! <cite>Safer_777 posted [p:939776287] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 05/27/20 10:18:15 AM #277:	Safer_777 posted... I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it. People complaining about SJWs are whinier and more out-of-touch with reality than SJWs themselves, so the choice is obvious. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:939776651] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Safer_777 posted... </cite> <quote>I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it.</quote> People complaining about SJWs are whinier and more out-of-touch with reality than SJWs themselves, so the choice is obvious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 10:45:57 AM #278:	Safer_777 posted... I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it. Here's more to the point: the three highest-grossing movies of 2017 domestically all had female leads (The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, Wonder Woman), Black Panther outgrossed Infinity War domestically plus it and Captain Marvel were the highest-grossing non-team up movies of MCU Phase 3, Rise of Skywalker was the third highest-grossing movie of 2019 domestically but ninth worldwide, Solo for that matter made around the same amount of money domestically as Venom but performed like total crap overseas which is why it lost money, and then there's the sleeper success of films like Moonlight, Get Out, and Crazy Rich Asians. I think most moviegoing audiences in America either aren't aware of Hollywood's politics, or they flat-out agree with them, so pandering to anti-progressives would be an even worse idea than pandering to progressives. If there's any problem, it's probably the idea of trying to make ANY movie sell to a "general" audience when the masses won't care for the property in question, like with Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angels, or Terminator vs. something like Star Wars, Jurassic Park, or The Fast and the Furious. To me, THIS is what's probably my #1 gripe with modern Hollywood - too many blockbuster movies try and appeal to the broadest audience possible and feel homogenous as a result. But then, I don't know if that's really that much worse than the glut of movies in the '80s and '90s made to appeal specifically to the adult male demographic. The point still stands though. In the past, white men were the most profitable demographic, so they were pandered to. Now they are no longer the most, or at least not by as wide a margin, so they are not being pandered to as much. And somehow that's a bad thing? Maybe in practice, but in theory it should not be. The idea that it is somehow easier to make a good movie with a white male lead than otherwise is asinine to me, yet that's what so many anti-progressives imply with their rants. It should not be impossible to criticize these movies without saying something that can get you lumped in with actual bigots. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939777688] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Safer_777 posted... </cite> <quote>I always see the average American complain about SJW and political correctness and such but all people in charge of companies and such embrace it. I don't get it.</quote> Here's more to the point: the three highest-grossing movies of 2017 domestically all had female leads (The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, Wonder Woman), Black Panther outgrossed Infinity War domestically plus it and Captain Marvel were the highest-grossing non-team up movies of MCU Phase 3, Rise of Skywalker was the third highest-grossing movie of 2019 domestically but ninth worldwide, Solo for that matter made around the same amount of money domestically as Venom but performed like total crap overseas which is why it lost money, and then there's the sleeper success of films like Moonlight, Get Out, and Crazy Rich Asians. I think most moviegoing audiences in America either aren't aware of Hollywood's politics, or they flat-out agree with them, so pandering to anti-progressives would be an even worse idea than pandering to progressives. If there's any problem, it's probably the idea of trying to make ANY movie sell to a "general" audience when the masses won't care for the property in question, like with Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angels, or Terminator vs. something like Star Wars, Jurassic Park, or The Fast and the Furious. To me, THIS is what's probably my #1 gripe with modern Hollywood - too many blockbuster movies try and appeal to the broadest audience possible and feel homogenous as a result. But then, I don't know if that's really that much worse than the glut of movies in the '80s and '90s made to appeal specifically to the adult male demographic. The point still stands though. In the past, white men were the most profitable demographic, so they were pandered to. Now they are no longer the most, or at least not by as wide a margin, so they are not being pandered to as much. And somehow that's a bad thing? Maybe in practice, but in theory it should not be. The idea that it is somehow easier to make a good movie with a white male lead than otherwise is asinine to me, yet that's what so many anti-progressives imply with their rants. It should not be impossible to criticize these movies without saying something that can get you lumped in with actual bigots. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 05/27/20 11:04:56 AM #279:	ZeroSignal620 posted... As for Batwoman, the Arrowverse is getting way out of hand now. For someone brand new to any of it, they'd now have to watch the following: Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Black Lightning (maybe not completely) and now Batwoman who's already recasting the lead role after one season. Five of these six shows are still ongoing. I stuck to the first 3 mentioned, because by the time I got to Supergirl, I was burned out on Arrowverse, not to mention it stopped being good after one season. It's not necessary to watch all of the Arrowverse shows, they all run independently of each other outside of the crossover (moreso the last three shows). Even in the crossovers you aren't too lost, it's like watching the Avengers movies without watching the other MCU movies. --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:939778404] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>ZeroSignal620 posted... </cite> <quote>As for Batwoman, the Arrowverse is getting way out of hand now. For someone brand new to any of it, they'd now have to watch the following: Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Black Lightning (maybe not completely) and now Batwoman who's already recasting the lead role after one season. Five of these six shows are still ongoing. I stuck to the first 3 mentioned, because by the time I got to Supergirl, I was burned out on Arrowverse, not to mention it stopped being good after one season.</quote> It's not necessary to watch all of the Arrowverse shows, they all run independently of each other outside of the crossover (moreso the last three shows). Even in the crossovers you aren't too lost, it's like watching the Avengers movies without watching the other MCU movies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestnun 05/27/20 11:31:49 AM #281:	@BlAcK_TuRtLe If you post naked photos of yourself online? That's your fault. End of discussion. <cite>Prestnun posted [p:939779482] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>@BlAcK_TuRtLe If you post naked photos of yourself online? That's your fault. End of discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestnun 05/27/20 11:38:17 AM #282:	@PostContestUlti What even is Toni Storm's character anyway? She's from New Zealand. That's it. <cite>Prestnun posted [p:939779752] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>@PostContestUlti What even is Toni Storm's character anyway? She's from New Zealand. That's it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 11:44:18 AM #283:	charmander6000 posted... It's not necessary to watch all of the Arrowverse shows, they all run independently of each other outside of the crossover (moreso the last three shows). Even in the crossovers you aren't too lost, it's like watching the Avengers movies without watching the other MCU movies. This makes me want to mention how I went from Avengers 1 to Ragnarok to Infinity War without getting confused. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939780009] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>charmander6000 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not necessary to watch all of the Arrowverse shows, they all run independently of each other outside of the crossover (moreso the last three shows). Even in the crossovers you aren't too lost, it's like watching the Avengers movies without watching the other MCU movies.</quote> This makes me want to mention how I went from Avengers 1 to Ragnarok to Infinity War without getting confused. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestnun 05/27/20 12:09:38 PM #284:	@PostContestUlti If this was 2007 - Toni Storm would be a long forgotten, Shimmer nobody like MsChif or Daizee Haze wrestling in front of like 12 people making $10 a match if you were lucky. <cite>Prestnun posted [p:939781087] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>@PostContestUlti If this was 2007 - Toni Storm would be a long forgotten, Shimmer nobody like MsChif or Daizee Haze wrestling in front of like 12 people making $10 a match if you were lucky. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 05/27/20 12:44:27 PM #285:	Prestnun posted... If this was 2007 lmao, you mean during an era where various female wrestlers were posing nude and getting featured matches at Wrestlemania or title runs? --- Formerly known as Raven 2 https://twitch.tv/ZeroSignalX <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:939782577] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Prestnun posted... </cite> <quote>If this was 2007</quote> lmao, you mean during an era where various female wrestlers were posing nude and getting featured matches at Wrestlemania or title runs? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlAcK TuRtLe 05/27/20 1:59:35 PM #286:	LinkMarioSamus posted... But then, I don't know if that's really that much worse than the glut of movies in the '80s and '90s made to appeal specifically to the adult male demographic. I'll stop you right here. There were just as many movies in the 80's/90's targetted towards women/minorities/whatever as there were movies targetted at the "adult male demographic". The only reason you don't remember any of these movies is because you are an adult male, and thus weren't the target audience for shit like Pretty Woman. --- Props to azuarc, the current Guru of the Decade. Wear this title with pride! <cite>BlAcK TuRtLe posted [p:939785950] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote>But then, I don't know if that's really that much worse than the glut of movies in the '80s and '90s made to appeal specifically to the adult male demographic.</quote> I'll stop you right here. There were just as many movies in the 80's/90's targetted towards women/minorities/whatever as there were movies targetted at the "adult male demographic". The only reason you don't remember any of these movies is because you are an adult male, and thus weren't the target audience for shit like Pretty Woman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 2:50:20 PM #287:	Obviously I'm getting all my ideas from watching a ton of Siskel & Ebert, since they used to complain about too many movies in the '80s coming down to shootouts and car chases. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939788292] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Obviously I'm getting all my ideas from watching a ton of Siskel & Ebert, since they used to complain about too many movies in the '80s coming down to shootouts and car chases. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paulg235 05/27/20 5:03:02 PM #288:	A decade later and LMS is still basing his opinions/arguments from what critics/sites say instead of forming his own views from his own experience like any normal person would. --- PaulG235 \| Finished in the Top 2 of GotD2010's Second Chance Bracket Sadly, there are no second chances in the Guru, azuarc doesn't need one. <cite>paulg235 posted [p:939794761] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>A decade later and LMS is still basing his opinions/arguments from what critics/sites say instead of forming his own views from his own experience like any normal person would. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Whiskey_Nick 05/27/20 5:10:29 PM #289:	I was told that I should hate stuff, so I do --- I am Nick. Go Sens, Bills, Blue Jays! Azuarc is a Guru UotY 2015, You should listen to The Show w/ Ngamer and Yoblazer <cite>Whiskey_Nick posted [p:939795118] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I was told that I should hate stuff, so I do </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 5:15:39 PM #290:	paulg235 posted... A decade later and LMS is still basing his opinions/arguments from what critics/sites say instead of forming his own views from his own experience like any normal person would. Look, I wasn't around at that time, so I'm just going off of what I've heard. Perhaps that was overstated though, but this is not exactly a matter where one can have an opinion, right? We're not arguing over the quality of a work, we're arguing over a trend in the film industry. And from what I can tell, there were a lot of shoot 'em-up movies in the '80s and '90s. Maybe I'm just going off of high-profile movies or something? I don't know. EDIT: BT might have a point, but I never said those other movies weren't there. In this case I am going off of news articles and industry analyses, but what else exactly do I have to go off of? At best you can make a case that these trends are overplayed, like the idea of The Hunger Games being successful enough to get more female-led blockbuster movies greenlit. Which is pretty much what I'm trying to do in the first place with the whole idea of Get Woke, Go Broke. Maybe the idea is that not as many of those movies got traction? Is it bad that I watch a lot of Siskel & Ebert and that it has come to shape a lot of how I view films? Plus I should mention my favorite movie didn't get Two Thumbs Up from them, and I've seen a number of movies named in their Worst of the Year specials which I didn't think were quite as bad as they said like Willow, Armageddon, Hocus Pocus, Happy Gilmore, and Scrooged. I even like the last two. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939795354] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>paulg235 posted... </cite> <quote>A decade later and LMS is still basing his opinions/arguments from what critics/sites say instead of forming his own views from his own experience like any normal person would.</quote> Look, I wasn't around at that time, so I'm just going off of what I've heard. Perhaps that was overstated though, but this is not exactly a matter where one can have an opinion, right? We're not arguing over the quality of a work, we're arguing over a trend in the film industry. And from what I can tell, there were a lot of shoot 'em-up movies in the '80s and '90s. Maybe I'm just going off of high-profile movies or something? I don't know. EDIT: BT might have a point, but I never said those other movies weren't there. In this case I am going off of news articles and industry analyses, but what else exactly do I have to go off of? At best you can make a case that these trends are overplayed, like the idea of The Hunger Games being successful enough to get more female-led blockbuster movies greenlit. Which is pretty much what I'm trying to do in the first place with the whole idea of Get Woke, Go Broke. Maybe the idea is that not as many of those movies got traction? Is it bad that I watch a lot of Siskel & Ebert and that it has come to shape a lot of how I view films? Plus I should mention my favorite movie didn't get Two Thumbs Up from them, and I've seen a number of movies named in their Worst of the Year specials which I didn't think were quite as bad as they said like Willow, Armageddon, Hocus Pocus, Happy Gilmore, and Scrooged. I even like the last two. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 6:10:04 PM #291:	LinkMarioSamus posted... Obviously I'm getting all my ideas from watching a ton of Siskel & Ebert, since they used to complain about too many movies in the '80s coming down to shootouts and car chases. Bro, just watch things yourself instead of relying other people. You should be long into adult age by now. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939798180] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>LinkMarioSamus posted... </cite> <quote>Obviously I'm getting all my ideas from watching a ton of Siskel & Ebert, since they used to complain about too many movies in the '80s coming down to shootouts and car chases.</quote>Bro, just watch things yourself instead of relying other people. You should be long into adult age by now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 6:31:31 PM #292:	Contest Quarterfinal: (1)The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild vs (1)Mass Effect 2 (1)Breath of the Wild - 17691 [68.33%] (1)Mass Effect 2 - 8199 [31.67%] Total Votes - 25890 Prediction Percentage - 64.65% I know the 2015 stats are totally all kinds of nutty, but, um... Ocarina of Time (2015g) VS Mass Effect 2 (2015g) Ocarina of Time has a strength of 47.95. Mass Effect 2 has a strength of 25.58. Ocarina of Time wins with 73.33% of the vote! A win of 28,400 with 60,875 total votes cast. Getting nearly 70% in round ''five'' is completely insane, and it helps prove the theory (though I doubt it's a "theory" at this point) that Breath of the Wild is a 90s strength video game plopped into a bracket that in no way had a prayer of matching up. Breath of the Wild might one day be challenged in a normal contest against games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, Ocarina of Time, Pokemon RBY, and the rest of the 90s heavy hitters, but for this contest we were living in the Breath of the Wild Invitational. It sucked to see Mass Effect 2 go out like this, but like I've said many times, only one game gets to end its run with a win. I would like to give a bit of love to Mass Effect 2 on the way out the door, because getting into the final eight shouldn't have a thoroughly unceremonious end. All the way back in 2011, I played 1 and 2 back to back. I loved 1, but I ''loved'' 2. 2 takes everything 1 does, flips it around, turns it all up to 11, and is one of the few games ever made that can be classified as "perfect". The entire reason butthurt idiots were so mad about 3's ending is because 2 was so good. It had the best characters, the best voice acting, the best gameplay, the Collectors were a truly terrifying villain even if they were a literal Aliens ripoff, and probably the best overall story. And yes, contradiction guy, I know it's just a glorified rail shooter. Fuck off. Very, very, very few games can match Mass Effect 2's brilliance. If for some insane reason you haven't played it or its series yet, you need to. Don't let it scoring 32% in some poll fool you. Mass Effect 2 is universally loved. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939799232] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Contest Quarterfinal: (1)The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild vs (1)Mass Effect 2 (1)Breath of the Wild - 17691 [68.33%] (1)Mass Effect 2 - 8199 [31.67%] Total Votes - 25890 Prediction Percentage - 64.65% I know the 2015 stats are totally all kinds of nutty, but, um... Ocarina of Time (2015g) VS Mass Effect 2 (2015g) Ocarina of Time has a strength of 47.95. Mass Effect 2 has a strength of 25.58. Ocarina of Time wins with 73.33% of the vote! A win of 28,400 with 60,875 total votes cast. Getting nearly 70% in round ''five'' is completely insane, and it helps prove the theory (though I doubt it's a "theory" at this point) that Breath of the Wild is a 90s strength video game plopped into a bracket that in no way had a prayer of matching up. Breath of the Wild might one day be challenged in a normal contest against games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, Ocarina of Time, Pokemon RBY, and the rest of the 90s heavy hitters, but for this contest we were living in the Breath of the Wild Invitational. It sucked to see Mass Effect 2 go out like this, but like I've said many times, only one game gets to end its run with a win. I would like to give a bit of love to Mass Effect 2 on the way out the door, because getting into the final eight shouldn't have a thoroughly unceremonious end. All the way back in 2011, I played 1 and 2 back to back. I loved 1, but I ''loved'' 2. 2 takes everything 1 does, flips it around, turns it all up to 11, and is one of the few games ever made that can be classified as "perfect". The entire reason butthurt idiots were so mad about 3's ending is because 2 was so good. It had the best characters, the best voice acting, the best gameplay, the Collectors were a truly terrifying villain even if they were a literal Aliens ripoff, and probably the best overall story. And yes, contradiction guy, I know it's just a glorified rail shooter. Fuck off. Very, very, very few games can match Mass Effect 2's brilliance. If for some insane reason you haven't played it or its series yet, you need to. Don't let it scoring 32% in some poll fool you. Mass Effect 2 is universally loved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/27/20 6:33:00 PM #293:	I'm only 25! And I do watch things myself. Like I said, my favorite movie is not even one that they both approved of (it's Aliens, though it does have a 97% on RT), and I can think of plenty of movies they both gave thumbs down to that I liked, and at least one they both gave thumbs up to that I didn't care for (Con Air). We're not even talking about opinions on a specific work. We're talking about industry trends here. That's something I should be able to discern based on outside sources. I never even said anything like all the "manly" action movies of the time were bad or anything. On the contrary, I'm a big fan of the likes of Die Hard, Predator, Aliens, Lethal Weapon 1 & 2, Robocop, and Terminator 1 & 2. I was more saying that based on the information I have, that kind of movie was practically everywhere at the time and those classics were far outnumbered by shlock, like how most movies are bad period. And I never said that other kinds of movies didn't exist back then. I was just saying that one of my biggest gripes with movies now is that too many big blockbusters are made for a "general" audience, thus causing the industry to feel homogenous, but then pondering whether things were really that much better in the '80s and '90s. Nowadays that kind of "manly" action movie is no longer as numerous - something like John Wick probably would not have stood out so much in the '80s. Heck, much of the acclaim Fury Road deservedly got (best movie of the past decade right there) was from being essentially an '80s action movie for the new millennium where stuff like The Expendables movies fell short. --- People complaining about SJWs are such hypocrites when they're just as easily offended, if not moreso. <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:939799312] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I'm only 25! And I do watch things myself. Like I said, my favorite movie is not even one that they both approved of (it's Aliens, though it does have a 97% on RT), and I can think of plenty of movies they both gave thumbs down to that I liked, and at least one they both gave thumbs up to that I didn't care for (Con Air). We're not even talking about opinions on a specific work. We're talking about industry trends here. That's something I should be able to discern based on outside sources. I never even said anything like all the "manly" action movies of the time were bad or anything. On the contrary, I'm a big fan of the likes of Die Hard, Predator, Aliens, Lethal Weapon 1 & 2, Robocop, and Terminator 1 & 2. I was more saying that based on the information I have, that kind of movie was practically everywhere at the time and those classics were far outnumbered by shlock, like how most movies are bad period. And I never said that other kinds of movies didn't exist back then. I was just saying that one of my biggest gripes with movies now is that too many big blockbusters are made for a "general" audience, thus causing the industry to feel homogenous, but then pondering whether things were really that much better in the '80s and '90s. Nowadays that kind of "manly" action movie is no longer as numerous - something like John Wick probably would not have stood out so much in the '80s. Heck, much of the acclaim Fury Road deservedly got (best movie of the past decade right there) was from being essentially an '80s action movie for the new millennium where stuff like The Expendables movies fell short. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 7:03:06 PM #294:	I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite writeup in the PCA. --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939800690] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite writeup in the PCA. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 7:29:54 PM #295:	Contest Quarterfinal: (1)Super Smash Bros. Ultimate vs (3)Xenoblade Chronicles (1)Smash Ultimate - 15437 [59.61%] (3)Xenoblade Chronicles - 10461 [40.39%] Total Votes - 25898 Prediction Percentage - 28.79% Outside of the early parts of one match, the entire final eight of this contest really felt like one big dud and it all played out like mop-up duty. Just for fun, here is every contest where the final seven matches (so quarterfinals and on) was a dud. 1v1 only: -Villains Contest -Rivalry Rumble -Best Year in Gaming -Game of the Decade 2 Of the seven matches that closed out this contest, only one could even ''remotely'' qualify as "good" and it surely wasn't this match! For those playing the home game, this is the only normal contest we've ever had where the final three rounds blew. The only drama in this particular match was whether or not Xenoblade would hold Smash under 60%. Smash was just over 60% to start, and the Europe vote helped Xenoblade keep this under a 60-40. That's all she wrote. Given how strong Smash Ultimate is going to be on this site for many years, this was a very respectable way for Xenoblade to bow out. It definitely capped off its bandwagon with a good showing, and you can't ask for much better than that from a game that was clearly never going to be on par with the contenders. And make sure you all buy Xenoblade Remastered! --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939801895] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Contest Quarterfinal: (1)Super Smash Bros. Ultimate vs (3)Xenoblade Chronicles (1)Smash Ultimate - 15437 [59.61%] (3)Xenoblade Chronicles - 10461 [40.39%] Total Votes - 25898 Prediction Percentage - 28.79% Outside of the early parts of one match, the entire final eight of this contest really felt like one big dud and it all played out like mop-up duty. Just for fun, here is every contest where the final seven matches (so quarterfinals and on) was a dud. 1v1 only: -Villains Contest -Rivalry Rumble -Best Year in Gaming -Game of the Decade 2 Of the seven matches that closed out this contest, only one could even ''remotely'' qualify as "good" and it surely wasn't this match! For those playing the home game, this is the only normal contest we've ever had where the final three rounds blew. The only drama in this particular match was whether or not Xenoblade would hold Smash under 60%. Smash was just over 60% to start, and the Europe vote helped Xenoblade keep this under a 60-40. That's all she wrote. Given how strong Smash Ultimate is going to be on this site for many years, this was a very respectable way for Xenoblade to bow out. It definitely capped off its bandwagon with a good showing, and you can't ask for much better than that from a game that was clearly never going to be on par with the contenders. And make sure you all buy Xenoblade Remastered! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 7:36:06 PM #296:	The full elite eight being kinda meh is part of why GotD2 is only a 'pretty good' contest at best while GotD1 is my all time favorite. --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939802195] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>The full elite eight being kinda meh is part of why GotD2 is only a 'pretty good' contest at best while GotD1 is my all time favorite. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 05/27/20 7:39:37 PM #297:	PostContestUlti posted... Very, very, very few games can match Mass Effect 2's brilliance. This. Mass Effect 2 was my personal favorite of the decade --- Formerly known as Raven 2 https://twitch.tv/ZeroSignalX <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:939802380] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>PostContestUlti posted... </cite> <quote>Very, very, very few games can match Mass Effect 2's brilliance.</quote> This. Mass Effect 2 was my personal favorite of the decade </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/27/20 7:47:27 PM #298:	NowItsAngeTime posted... The full elite eight being kinda meh is part of why GotD2 is only a 'pretty good' contest at best while GotD1 is my all time favorite. It's kind of a reminder as to why GotD1 existed in the first place. It was a pretty clever way of holding a games contest without Ocarina or FF7, as we knew that the two Smash games and FFX would be very competitive with each other. Majora turning out to be a hidden gem was a nice bonus. Not so much for this decade, which had a Zelda game and no game right below it to give it a fight. Instead, we had to hope for a good fight for that semi finals slot, and even that ended with with Witcher 3 just mowing through everything. It's a shame Skyrim couldn't have retained just a bit more strength. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:939802729] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>NowItsAngeTime posted... </cite> <quote>The full elite eight being kinda meh is part of why GotD2 is only a 'pretty good' contest at best while GotD1 is my all time favorite.</quote>It's kind of a reminder as to why GotD1 existed in the first place. It was a pretty clever way of holding a games contest without Ocarina or FF7, as we knew that the two Smash games and FFX would be very competitive with each other. Majora turning out to be a hidden gem was a nice bonus. Not so much for this decade, which had a Zelda game and no game right below it to give it a fight. Instead, we had to hope for a good fight for that semi finals slot, and even that ended with with Witcher 3 just mowing through everything. It's a shame Skyrim couldn't have retained just a bit more strength. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 7:50:26 PM #299:	I think if Breath of the Wild and Witcher were removed from the contest, the elite eight could've been so much more interesting. --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939802849] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>I think if Breath of the Wild and Witcher were removed from the contest, the elite eight could've been so much more interesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 8:05:54 PM #300:	NowItsAngeTime posted... I think if Breath of the Wild and Witcher were removed from the contest, the elite eight could've been so much more interesting. You can't have a contest like this and remove the popular stuff before it's actually won anything. Contest Quarterfinal: (1)The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt vs (1)Persona 5 (1)Witcher 3 - 15209 [56.53%] (1)Persona 5 - 11694 [43.47%] Total Votes - 26903 Prediction Percentage - 39.23% This match was a clash of the titans, because both games came into it firing on all cylinders and ready to go to war with anything. When this type of hype happens and the match is actually good, the potential for contest magic is there. These two games both flattened their divisions, so the only thing left was to jump into the octagon and fight to the death. And for a good little while, it looked like this would be the first match of this entire contest where something actually stared Geralt in the face and felt like fighting back. I honestly regret not making peace with the Persona faithful sooner, because you guys are legitimately a very lively, fun bunch. It's my own fault, really, because anyone should be able to go "oh well Sir Chris likes this so OBVIOUSLY it must be cool". Actually, check that, Chris likes World of Warcraft so this is invalid logic :p But seriously, waiting until Joker made it into Smash Bros to actually like Persona was super dumb. These games all have ridiculous board votes for a reason, and Persona 5 was ''not'' fucking around when this thing started. It had something absurd at the beginning like 80% of the vote, but such a thing did not last. Witcher brought it back almost immediately, and then we all figured this would be Witcher 3 vs Galaxy 2 all over again. It sort of was, but Persona 5 did not go gently into that good night. It raged. Raged against the dying of the light. And yes it's lame to go all Dylan Thomas in a PCA, but seriously, I need to find material ''somewhere''. Round one was blowout city and had something like 3 good matches total, then the contest got good until the divisions were decided, and then it was back to blowout city. Puke. Persona 5 did not get swamped like Galaxy 2 did. It was able to keep this within 50 votes for almost half an hour, and at the 30 minute mark when it looked like Witcher 3 would go berserk, Persona hit us with a 20 vote update. "Hell yeah, we might have a match!" And ''then'' Persona 5 got swamped, but not in a godstomper kind of way. It went out with, all things considered, a respectable 57-43 loss. Witcher 3 in this contest was just on a completely different level from 126 out of 127 of its potential opponents, and there is no shame in going out as the first game to hold Witcher 3 under 60%. Persona will be back, and it will be stronger. That's just what this series does. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939803597] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>NowItsAngeTime posted... </cite> <quote>I think if Breath of the Wild and Witcher were removed from the contest, the elite eight could've been so much more interesting.</quote>You can't have a contest like this and remove the popular stuff before it's actually won anything. Contest Quarterfinal: (1)The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt vs (1)Persona 5 (1)Witcher 3 - 15209 [56.53%] (1)Persona 5 - 11694 [43.47%] Total Votes - 26903 Prediction Percentage - 39.23% This match was a clash of the titans, because both games came into it firing on all cylinders and ready to go to war with anything. When this type of hype happens and the match is actually good, the potential for contest magic is there. These two games both flattened their divisions, so the only thing left was to jump into the octagon and fight to the death. And for a good little while, it looked like this would be the first match of this entire contest where something actually stared Geralt in the face and felt like fighting back. I honestly regret not making peace with the Persona faithful sooner, because you guys are legitimately a very lively, fun bunch. It's my own fault, really, because anyone should be able to go "oh well Sir Chris likes this so OBVIOUSLY it must be cool". Actually, check that, Chris likes World of Warcraft so this is invalid logic :p But seriously, waiting until Joker made it into Smash Bros to actually like Persona was super dumb. These games all have ridiculous board votes for a reason, and Persona 5 was ''not'' fucking around when this thing started. It had something absurd at the beginning like 80% of the vote, but such a thing did not last. Witcher brought it back almost immediately, and then we all figured this would be Witcher 3 vs Galaxy 2 all over again. It sort of was, but Persona 5 did not go gently into that good night. It raged. Raged against the dying of the light. And yes it's lame to go all Dylan Thomas in a PCA, but seriously, I need to find material ''somewhere''. Round one was blowout city and had something like 3 good matches total, then the contest got good until the divisions were decided, and then it was back to blowout city. Puke. Persona 5 did not get swamped like Galaxy 2 did. It was able to keep this within 50 votes for almost half an hour, and at the 30 minute mark when it looked like Witcher 3 would go berserk, Persona hit us with a 20 vote update. "Hell yeah, we might have a match!" And ''then'' Persona 5 got swamped, but not in a godstomper kind of way. It went out with, all things considered, a respectable 57-43 loss. Witcher 3 in this contest was just on a completely different level from 126 out of 127 of its potential opponents, and there is no shame in going out as the first game to hold Witcher 3 under 60%. Persona will be back, and it will be stronger. That's just what this series does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NowItsAngeTime 05/27/20 8:16:24 PM #301:	Oh yeah I wouldn't 'actually' remove those 2. I was thinking in a theoretical world where those two games either weren't that strong or not eligible for this bracket the last week could've been much better. --- Congrats to azuarc for winning GotD2 Guru I'm just a guy focused on VNs, fighting games, and other weeb stuff. <cite>NowItsAngeTime posted [p:939804093] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah I wouldn't 'actually' remove those 2. I was thinking in a theoretical world where those two games either weren't that strong or not eligible for this bracket the last week could've been much better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 8:53:07 PM #302:	Contest Quarterfinal: (1)Dark Souls vs (1)The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (1)Dark Souls - 12732 [47.32%] (1)Skyrim - 14176 [52.68%] Total Votes - 26908 Prediction Percentage - 35.31% I ''love'' Skyrim, so don't take this writeup the wrong way, but it just kills me that Skyrim won this match. Had Dark Souls pulled this thing off, Ngamer64 wins the guru contest and I think the contest outright. There aren't many people who deserve a contest win more than that guy does, and I hope no one disagrees. On top of The Show, on top of his web site where he hosts the guru contest and the x-stats and the calculator we've come to all know and love, he's also done a TON of work on the Board 8 Wiki. I was really pulling for the dude hard, and.... damn. For a good long while, it looked like his gamble had a shot. Picking Dark Souls to beat Skyrim at this spot was such an intelligent pick. The other reason this match kills me is actual gaming preference. Before this writeup, some of you asked me to explain why I love Souls so much. Will do. I started gaming in the 80s on the NES, and most games were fucking ''hard'' back then, especially for a very young child. Zelda 1 and 2, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 and 2, Mario 1 through 3, Crystalis, The Guardian Legend, a bunch of Mega Man games, Ghosts n Goblins, Yo Noid, Balloon Fight, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out, Contra, and even Battletoads. I beat all of those games as a kid, and probably some others I'm forgetting. I won't bore people with my story of growing older and games slowly becoming easier and easier and easier to the point where it was a joke. We've all lived that story by now. There were some hard games here and there, but nothing like the feeling of beating some absurd NES game as a kid. And then Demon's Souls came along. It was the first game I had played in a long, long time that brought me back to my childhood. It wasn't that I hadn't played good games or anything, but the experience of Demon's Souls almost had me lost for words. And then the damn motherload happened. I love Demon's Souls, and it did '''nothing''' to prepare me for how absurdly good Dark Souls is. Death matters? A huge interconnected world? Indirect storytelling? RPG elements and the game never actually gets easy? What the hell? I could wax poetic about the Souls series for literally years, so I will simply link to my review and move on: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/606312-dark-souls/reviews/162813 It's not my best work, but I've never updated it because I like to look back and see how far I've come as a writer over the years. The very short of it is Dark Souls is a once in a lifetime experience, defined a generation, and made me feel like a kid again. And by the way, those same words are used by everyone who loves Breath of the Wild. That game didn't flatten this contest by accident. It's a really, really, really good game. For those reasons and because I was rooting for NG so hard, this match murdered me personally in cold blood. But hey, there can only be one winner. When this thing started, Dark Souls was ''right there''. The match was outright tied for what felt like forever, even though it was only 35 minutes. Then Skyrim won an update by 50, and that seemed like the end of the road for Dark Souls. But no, Dark Souls had to sit there and fight back before getting buried again. And then it fought back ''again'' before getting buried ''again''. And then to make it even worse, Dark Souls looked like it was going to come back once and for all. It brought a 120 vote lead down to 40, so of course Skyrim buried it yet again, and Dark Souls fought back yet again. It was like watching an underdog in some sport fight their asses off even though they knew they were outmatched. When the poll got past 11, Skyrim finally decided to go "F this shit" and end this match, turning a 100 vote lead into 200 in all of 30 minutes, and after one final last gasp from Dark Souls, where our boy cashed all the souls in and made one final run at Paarthurnax, Alduin, and all 13 daedra, Dark Souls fell. Skyrim increased the percentage from 51% to 52 overnight, and that was that. It was an incredible first few hours, but Skyrim would ultimately win by almost 1500 votes. It was a wonderful match between two games I will be in love with for the rest of my life, but I just love Dark Souls that much more. This was also arguably the best match picture I've ever submitted, too. '''PRAISE THE SUN!''' I'd mention how Skyrim did well below what it needed to to match Witcher 3's performance, but I feel like that goes without saying at this point. Next round, we would finally get that match and see how it played out on screen. By the way, here are the seeding matchups for the final eight, presented without comment: -1 vs 1 -1 vs 3 -1 vs 1 -1 vs 1 --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939805838] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Contest Quarterfinal: (1)Dark Souls vs (1)The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (1)Dark Souls - 12732 [47.32%] (1)Skyrim - 14176 [52.68%] Total Votes - 26908 Prediction Percentage - 35.31% I ''love'' Skyrim, so don't take this writeup the wrong way, but it just kills me that Skyrim won this match. Had Dark Souls pulled this thing off, Ngamer64 wins the guru contest and I think the contest outright. There aren't many people who deserve a contest win more than that guy does, and I hope no one disagrees. On top of The Show, on top of his web site where he hosts the guru contest and the x-stats and the calculator we've come to all know and love, he's also done a TON of work on the Board 8 Wiki. I was really pulling for the dude hard, and.... damn. For a good long while, it looked like his gamble had a shot. Picking Dark Souls to beat Skyrim at this spot was such an intelligent pick. The other reason this match kills me is actual gaming preference. Before this writeup, some of you asked me to explain why I love Souls so much. Will do. I started gaming in the 80s on the NES, and most games were fucking ''hard'' back then, especially for a very young child. Zelda 1 and 2, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 and 2, Mario 1 through 3, Crystalis, The Guardian Legend, a bunch of Mega Man games, Ghosts n Goblins, Yo Noid, Balloon Fight, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out, Contra, and even Battletoads. I beat all of those games as a kid, and probably some others I'm forgetting. I won't bore people with my story of growing older and games slowly becoming easier and easier and easier to the point where it was a joke. We've all lived that story by now. There were some hard games here and there, but nothing like the feeling of beating some absurd NES game as a kid. And then Demon's Souls came along. It was the first game I had played in a long, long time that brought me back to my childhood. It wasn't that I hadn't played good games or anything, but the experience of Demon's Souls almost had me lost for words. And then the damn motherload happened. I love Demon's Souls, and it did '''nothing''' to prepare me for how absurdly good Dark Souls is. Death matters? A huge interconnected world? Indirect storytelling? RPG elements and the game never actually gets easy? What the hell? I could wax poetic about the Souls series for literally years, so I will simply link to my review and move on: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/606312-dark-souls/reviews/162813 It's not my best work, but I've never updated it because I like to look back and see how far I've come as a writer over the years. The very short of it is Dark Souls is a once in a lifetime experience, defined a generation, and made me feel like a kid again. And by the way, those same words are used by everyone who loves Breath of the Wild. That game didn't flatten this contest by accident. It's a really, really, really good game. For those reasons and because I was rooting for NG so hard, this match murdered me personally in cold blood. But hey, there can only be one winner. When this thing started, Dark Souls was ''right there''. The match was outright tied for what felt like forever, even though it was only 35 minutes. Then Skyrim won an update by 50, and that seemed like the end of the road for Dark Souls. But no, Dark Souls had to sit there and fight back before getting buried again. And then it fought back ''again'' before getting buried ''again''. And then to make it even worse, Dark Souls looked like it was going to come back once and for all. It brought a 120 vote lead down to 40, so of course Skyrim buried it yet again, and Dark Souls fought back yet again. It was like watching an underdog in some sport fight their asses off even though they knew they were outmatched. When the poll got past 11, Skyrim finally decided to go "F this shit" and end this match, turning a 100 vote lead into 200 in all of 30 minutes, and after one final last gasp from Dark Souls, where our boy cashed all the souls in and made one final run at Paarthurnax, Alduin, and all 13 daedra, Dark Souls fell. Skyrim increased the percentage from 51% to 52 overnight, and that was that. It was an incredible first few hours, but Skyrim would ultimately win by almost 1500 votes. It was a wonderful match between two games I will be in love with for the rest of my life, but I just love Dark Souls that much more. This was also arguably the best match picture I've ever submitted, too. '''PRAISE THE SUN!''' I'd mention how Skyrim did well below what it needed to to match Witcher 3's performance, but I feel like that goes without saying at this point. Next round, we would finally get that match and see how it played out on screen. By the way, here are the seeding matchups for the final eight, presented without comment: -1 vs 1 -1 vs 3 -1 vs 1 -1 vs 1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostContestUlti 05/27/20 9:48:54 PM #303:	Contest Semifinal: (1)The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild vs (1)Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (1)Breath of the Wild - 18203 [67.76%] (1)Smash Ultimate - 8661 [32.24%] Total Votes - 26864 Prediction Percentage - 48.81% <i>"That was the update of the contest."</i> -Yoblazer I don't think I've ever based an entire writeup around one update, but it's kind of justified here. All of us knew Zelda would flatten Smash Bros in this match, and though it sucked to see these two locked in for a semifinal path when the bracket came out, seeing this match happen live made the placement make sense. This thing as a final would have blew. Believe it or not, this match was under a 60-40 at the freeze! Smash was getting some love, maybe Zelda was getting anti-voted for being the obvious winner, who really knows. It was a 98 vote lead for Zelda at the freeze, and maybe, just maybe, this would be a reasonable semifinal. And then Zelda goes "okay that's cute, thanks for playing buddy", increases from 98 to '''255''', and that was that. See you next time, Smash. You had a great run, but Zelda is a whole different animal. It was also nice seeing the Smash fans get what they deserve, I'm not gonna lie. It isn't often that semifinals have blowouts like this. Originally I was going to bring up the list of every semifinal match 60-40 and above, but I think pulling up the ones to finish 65-35 or over paints a much better picture of how hard it is to do what Zelda did here. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1778-tournament-semifinal-link-vs-mega-man https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2018-tournament-semifinal-diablo-vs-ganondorf https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2453-tournament-semifinal-the-legend-of-zelda-vs-metal-gear https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6176-best-game-ever-day-40-semifinal-zelda-ocarina-of-time-vs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6719-best-year-in-gaming-semifinal-1994-vs-1998 A similar pattern emerges. Respect '''The LAW'''. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:939808535] in ~*Ultimate... [t:78702874]...</cite> <quote>Contest Semifinal: (1)The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild vs (1)Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (1)Breath of the Wild - 18203 [67.76%] (1)Smash Ultimate - 8661 [32.24%] Total Votes - 26864 Prediction Percentage - 48.81% <i>"That was the update of the contest."</i> -Yoblazer I don't think I've ever based an entire writeup around one update, but it's kind of justified here. All of us knew Zelda would flatten Smash Bros in this match, and though it sucked to see these two locked in for a semifinal path when the bracket came out, seeing this match happen live made the placement make sense. This thing as a final would have blew. Believe it or not, this match was under a 60-40 at the freeze! Smash was getting some love, maybe Zelda was getting anti-voted for being the obvious winner, who really knows. It was a 98 vote lead for Zelda at the freeze, and maybe, just maybe, this would be a reasonable semifinal. And then Zelda goes "okay that's cute, thanks for playing buddy", increases from 98 to '''255''', and that was that. See you next time, Smash. You had a great run, but Zelda is a whole different animal. It was also nice seeing the Smash fans get what they deserve, I'm not gonna lie. It isn't often that semifinals have blowouts like this. Originally I was going to bring up the list of every semifinal match 60-40 and above, but I think pulling up the ones to finish 65-35 or over paints a much better picture of how hard it is to do what Zelda did here. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1778-tournament-semifinal-link-vs-mega-man https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2018-tournament-semifinal-diablo-vs-ganondorf https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2453-tournament-semifinal-the-legend-of-zelda-vs-metal-gear https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6176-best-game-ever-day-40-semifinal-zelda-ocarina-of-time-vs https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6719-best-year-in-gaming-semifinal-1994-vs-1998 A similar pattern emerges. Respect '''The LAW'''. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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