Poll of the Day > DA rules Ahmaud Arbery Killing JUSTIFIED, now asks FEDERAL GOV'T to take over!!!

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Georgia's attorney general has now asked the US Dept of Justice to investigate the handling on the murder of Ahmaud Arbery from 2 white men after he said the shooting was JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE!!

Arbery was killed in February 23, 2020 as no arrests were made until now as national outrage over it swelled last week when video surfaced showing the hillbillies waiting for arbery before the younger fat one got out of his truck with his shotgun and confronted him before shooting Arbery.

Attorney General Chris Carr said "We are committed to a compelte and transparent review of how Ahmaud Arbery case was handled from the outset. The family, the community and the state of Georgia deserve answers and we will work with others in law enforcement at the state and federal level to find those answers"

This comes as it emerged that Georgia DA recused himself fromthis after stating the shooting was justified.

George Barnhill Sr, the top prosecutor told police there was insufficient evidence to charge Travis and Greg McMichael.

Barnhill determined there were no legal grounds to arrest and try the father and son and allowed self defense laws to allow citizens to detain anyone suspected of committing a crime. It was also determined that the father worked in his office as an investigator until 2019, along with Jackie Johnson who blocked police from arresting them.

Do you think Stand your Ground laws give too much power to people to kill others?

George - Dumbass DA

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Jackie - Wench

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Trailer Trash Killers -

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https://i.imgur.com/YrKOWxO.jpg

Arbery - Deceased

https://i.imgur.com/sh7NCX5.jpg

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> one got out of his truck with his shotgun and confronted him before shooting

Ya, that's not stand your ground... they should fight for at least a manslaughter charge if they can't land murder 2

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remember: the only reason those guys got arrested in the first place isn't because they murdered a guy, but because the public saw the video where they murdered a guy.

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Lokarin posted...

> one got out of his truck with his shotgun and confronted him before shooting

Ya, that's not stand your ground...

Good thing that's not the whole story.
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I mean apparently 'Trans Panic Defense' is still a thing in the majority of states.

That is gross, this is gross, but people unfortunately are apparently all too keen to kill each other for any reason.

Bulbasaur posted...

remember: the only reason those guys got arrested in the first place isn't because they murdered a guy, but because the public saw the video where they murdered a guy.

Yup. Otherwise this wouldve never been a news story.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Good thing that's not the whole story.

What is the whole story? This'll be good.

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Bulbasaur posted...

remember: the only reason those guys got arrested in the first place isn't because they murdered a guy, but because the public saw the video where they murdered a guy.

And no one had any clue why the police weren't doing anything. From what I recall no official statement was made just bumping the case around because of "conflict of interest".

Saw the videos, dude was doing something suspicious. They still don't get to just jump out of their truck and gun him down with impunity.

Hey 2020 fucking knock it off I've had enough. Sure it's entertaining, but I'm not even halfway through.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

And no one had any clue why the police weren't doing anything. From what I recall no official statement was made just bumping the case around because of "conflict of interest".

Saw the videos, dude was doing something suspicious. They still don't get to just jump out of their truck and gun him down with impunity.

What was he doing that was suspicious?

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papercup posted...

What was he doing that was suspicious?

Video of the dude that got killed walking into a house under construction and looking around for about 3 minutes right before the guys pull up on him if the news has the time line right.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Video of the dude that got killed walking into a house under construction and looking around for about 3 minutes right before the guys pull up on him if the news has the time line right.

Looked it up. Yeah that is strange. And the killers said there were burglaries and they thought he was the burglar, but GBI said there were no burglaries. Im gonna go with there were no burglaries, and two rednecks were looking for an excuse to shoot a black guy.

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EvilMegas posted...

What is the whole story? This'll be good.

That's for the courts to find out, but what we do know is that they ID'd someone they were told/shown did a burglary, went to exercise a citizen's arrest and the assumed burglar grabbed at a gun.

If a cop went to arrest someone and they grabbed for his gun, he would shoot first.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's for the courts to find out, but what we do know is that they ID'd someone they were told/shown did a burglary, went to exercise a citizen's arrest and the assumed burglar grabbed at a gun.

To the average uneducated person, they see something like this and assume it's no different than thugs attacking and threatening someone with a gun. The key legal distinction here is that they were white so it's okay.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's for the courts to find out, but what we do know is that they ID'd someone they were told/shown did a burglary, went to exercise a citizen's arrest and the assumed burglar grabbed at a gun.

If a cop went to arrest someone and they grabbed for his gun, he would shoot first.

Kyuubi we both know they shoved a shotgun in his chest because he was black.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's for the courts to find out, but what we do know is that they ID'd someone they were told/shown did a burglary, went to exercise a citizen's arrest and the assumed burglar grabbed at a gun.

If a cop went to arrest someone and they grabbed for his gun, he would shoot first.

It wasn't cops it was two random ass holes jumping out of a vehicle and physically assaulting someone.

One was a former cop and should have known better.

he was attacked. Any violence he performed before his unjust death was in self defense

Stand your ground laws should be made federally illegal.
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to be honest the whole concept of citizens arrest always sounded kinda iffy to me

Blightzkrieg posted...

To the average uneducated person, they see something like this and assume it's no different than thugs attacking and threatening someone with a gun.

You don't grab at a gun of an attacker either, because it turns a would be robbing in to a killing. If somebody's got a gun pointed at you, you're at their mercy.

papercup posted...

Kyuubi we both know they shoved a shotgun in his chest because he was black.

And we know this because they're white?

Yeah, fight imagined racism with racism, that'll stop discrimination.

BlackScythe0 posted...

One was a former cop and should have known better.

One was a former cop so knew he had enough evidence and could perform an arrest.
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Zikten posted...

to be honest the whole concept of citizens arrest always sounded kinda iffy to me

The only time a citizens arrest is acceptable is when you stop someone in the middle of a crime.

Pulling up on someone and just randomly attacking them is always going to give them justifiable cause to defend themselves even if the video I saw on the news earlier puts into question the innocent jogging narrative his family is trying to run.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
One was a former cop so knew he had enough evidence and could perform an arrest.

He didn't perform an arrest, he performed a murder. They went up on the guy and basically just straight up murdered him.

Zikten posted...

to be honest the whole concept of citizens arrest always sounded kinda iffy to me

It's from prior to police existing, you had to drag somebody to a judge to get a crime judged.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

You don't grab at a gun of an attacker either, because it turns a would be robbing in to a killing. If somebody's got a gun pointed at you, you're at their mercy.

And we know this because they're white?

Yeah, fight imagined racism with racism, that'll stop discrimination.

One was a former cop so knew he had enough evidence and could perform an arrest.

You're seriously telling me that you think if he victim were white they would have used the same excessive force? Are you kidding me?

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

One was a former cop so knew he had enough evidence and could perform an arrest.

lol

God, I love how he does this with no regards as to how dumb he looks.

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papercup posted...

You're seriously telling me that you think if he victim were white they would have used the same excessive force? Are you kidding me?

Hillbillies are hillbillies, I expect dumbass shit with guns. Why do you assume they're racist? Because they're white? Trashy?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Hillbillies are hillbillies, I expect dumbass shit with guns. Why do you assume they're racist? Because they're white? Trashy?

Let's completely get race out of this situation. Or make up whatever races you want...the killers could have been Asian and the victim could have been Russian. Doesn't matter because the killing was not justified in any way. It's that simple and there isn't much else to discuss.

An unjustified killing is still unjustified without race being a factor.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If somebody's got a gun pointed at you, you're at their mercy.

Of course. But are you not entitled to attempt to get out of that situation or do you just say "okay mister kill me now"

I have to believe you're trolling because no one can seriously be this dense.

sodium-chloride posted...

Doesn't matter because the killing was not justified in any way. It's that simple and there isn't much else to discuss.

One man believed he was making a legal arrest, another man thought he was taking away a gun in legal self-defense, the first man shot at what he thought was an attempt to steal a gun during a legal arrest attempt in a legal self-defense.

Their actions are justified, it's just not a satisfying conclusion.

sodium-chloride posted...

But are you not entitled to attempt to get out of that situation

Absolutely, but in their perspective it's an attempt to escalate an arrest to an armed conflict, and they also are entitled to attempt to defend themselves.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

One man believed he was making a legal arrest, another man thought he was taking away a gun in legal self-defense, the first man shot at what he thought was an attempt to steal a gun during a legal arrest attempt in a legal self-defense.

Their actions are justified, it's just not a satisfying conclusion.

You can say citizen's arrest is legal as much as you want but that doesn't make this killing justified.

On a side note, the idea of using citizen's arrest in situations like this is nothing more than vigilantism. Did they present the evidence to this guy before they pointed a gun at him? Did they explain they are putting him under citizen's arrest? Do either of those things matter if the guy was actually innocent? Citizen's arrest is a completely bullshit excuse to play a power tripping cop when you don't have a badge.

If someone comes up to me and says they're putting me under citizen's arrest for something I know I didn't do why the fuck would I comply?

sodium-chloride posted...

You can say citizen's arrest is legal as much as you want but that doesn't make this killing justified.

You can say it's unjustified all you want but that doesn't make it so.

sodium-chloride posted...

Did they present the evidence to this guy before they pointed a gun at him?

Do the police?

sodium-chloride posted...

Did they explain they are putting him under citizen's arrest?

We'll find out, but for the benefit of the doubt, since they were going there to do that, I'd assume so. Not that anybody can say otherwise.

sodium-chloride posted...

Do either of those things matter if the guy was actually innocent?

Of course. Presumably when somebody says they're arresting you, you don't keep running, you try to figure out why unless you think you're in actual danger.

sodium-chloride posted...

Citizen's arrest is a completely bullshit excuse to play a power tripping cop when you don't have a badge.

Probably should lobby to have that removed then.

sodium-chloride posted...

If someone comes up to me and says they're putting me under citizen's arrest for something I know I didn't do why the fuck would I comply?

Because the only thing they can do is call the police and make sure you don't leave, they can't restrain you unless you're resisting.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

You can say it's unjustified all you want but that doesn't make it so.

Do the police?

We'll find out, but for the benefit of the doubt, since they were going there to do that, I'd assume so. Not that anybody can say otherwise.

Of course. Presumably when somebody says they're arresting you, you don't keep running, you try to figure out why unless you think you're in actual danger.

Probably should lobby to have that removed then.

Because the only thing they can do is call the police and make sure you don't leave, they can't restrain you unless you're resisting.

So then why not just call the police on this guy? Why did they have to put themselves in that situation? They obviously had someone filming, so even if he ran off they have proof he did something illegal and could show the cops.

And yeah, cops who shoot first and ask questions later also commit unjustified killings. This situation would not be any different if killers were actual policemen.

I don't think that victim ever knew what was going on. He died with no idea what they wanted from him. From his point of view he was being attacked by crazed white people with guns

sodium-chloride posted...

So then why not just call the police on this guy? Why did they have to put themselves in that situation? They obviously had someone filming, so even if he ran off they have proof he did something illegal and could show the cops.

He was running away and there already was proof. They were out to stop him so he doesn't literally run away. They had guns, police training, a vehicle; they had all the means to comfortably deal with any threat.

sodium-chloride posted...

And yeah, cops who shoot first and ask questions later also commit unjustified killings. This situation would not be any different if killers were actual policemen.

Police officers shoot across lanes of traffic to gun down someone who nicked a snickers and get away with it. At least in this case the suspect was grabbing at his gun.
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Zikten posted...

I don't think that victim ever knew what was going on. He died with no idea what they wanted from him. From his point of view he was being attacked by crazed white people with guns

That's what makes him not legally responsible either, it's not really relevant legally.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Police officers shoot across lanes of traffic to gun down someone who nicked a snickers and get away with it. At least in this case the suspect was grabbing at his gun.

Okay. And my point is that just because they can do that doesn't mean it's a justified action.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

comfortably deal with any threat.

Yeah no shit. Do you really need all of those things to arrest somebody who isn't armed?

sodium-chloride posted...

Okay. And my point is that just because they can do that doesn't mean it's a justified action.

The fact they get away with it means it's justified. Not in your personal moral court but to the legal system you live under.

sodium-chloride posted...

Yeah no shit. Do you really need all of those things to arrest somebody who isn't armed?

They don't know that, burglars could have anything on them. I don't think they went home to pick up the guns specifically, not that it matters.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The fact they get away with it means it's justified. Not in your personal moral court but to the legal system you live under.

It all makes sense now. I don't think you know what the definition of "justified" is. Glad to know I spent all this time trying to make my point to someone who has zero understanding of the words they are using. Lol I'm done posting in this topic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Police officers shoot across lanes of traffic to gun down someone who nicked a snickers and get away with it. At least in this case the suspect was grabbing at his gun.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If a cop went to arrest someone and they grabbed for his gun, he would shoot first.

They weren't fucking police when this happened. They were vigilantes who killed an innocent man.

sodium-chloride posted...

It all makes sense now. I don't think you know what the definition of "justified" is.

It ain't your opinion.

justified
/dstfd/

adjective
1.
having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason.

legitimate
/ldtmt/

adjective
1.
conforming to the law or to rules.

It was done for a reason conforming to the law of the land.
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FourthDimension posted...

They weren't fucking police when this happened.

That doesn't matter, the police doesn't have a unique privilege to shoot someone who grabs their gun.

They didn't shoot him to enact justice, they killed him in a scuffle.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

He was running away and there already was proof. They were out to stop a black person so he doesn't literally run away. They had guns, police training, a vehicle; they had all the means to comfortably deal with any black person.

I fixed that for you.
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Revelation34 posted...

I fixed that for you.

Well damn, I guess since he's black that means he's immune to arrest. News to me.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Absolutely, but in their perspective it's an attempt to escalate an arrest to an armed conflict, and they also are entitled to attempt to defend themselves.

Their perspective isn't relevant as they lacked the authority to compel that guy to comply.

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think Stand your Ground laws give too much power to people to kill others?

No, I support stand your ground laws, but this was just murder. They were waiting for him while he was jogging and he wasn't armed. It's a shitty call by the DA.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Their perspective isn't relevant as they lacked the authority to compel that guy to comply.

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

It's within his immediate knowledge as he has seen video evidence. The suspect is running, so he, a private person, may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

arrest
/rst/

verb
1.
seize (someone) by legal authority and take them into custody.

I think we can reasonably say that based on statements that before the suspect grabbed at his gun, he was attempting to seize him.
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This Ducky story is so badly written I'm not even sure what happened regarding the legal response. The headline claims that the DA ruled it justified but then asked the Feds to take over, an act that makes no sense. However, the first paragraph mentions something about the AG asking the Feds to step in to check their work.

papercup posted...

Looked it up. Yeah that is strange. And the killers said there were burglaries and they thought he was the burglar, but GBI said there were no burglaries. Im gonna go with there were no burglaries, and two rednecks were looking for an excuse to shoot a black guy.

So your theory is that they just randomly wanted to track down and shoot a black guy? Am I getting that correct? Because from here it sounds fucking crazy. But perhaps you've seen some evidence to suggest that they have a history of racial transgressions, or were active in hate groups, or literally anything that could justify such an obscene stance.

Zikten posted...

he was attacked. Any violence he performed before his unjust death was in self defense

By that suggestion, whoever won the fight could claim SYG, effectively making it a trial by combat.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's within his immediate knowledge as he has seen video evidence. The suspect is running, so he, a private person, may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

I think we can reasonably say that based on statements that before the suspect grabbed at his gun, he was attempting to seize him.

We better go arrest Usain Bolt if running is illegal now.
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Revelation34 posted...

We better go arrest Usain Bolt if running is illegal now.

Usain Bolt isn't on film burgling.
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So I'll just repost this from the other topic:

The story was originally supposed to be:
"white supremacists hunt down and murder innocent black man just going on his daily jog"

But it turns out its more like this:
"Man killed during struggle over weapon due to being confronted about property theft"

As it turns out, in the New York Times article, it is said there is video evidence of Mr. Arbery committing property theft.
These two knowing this confront him theirselves to try to do a citizens arrest. Mr. A continues running away from them after they ask to talk with him, they cut him off, he runs towards them, a fight over a gun begins, in the struggle, Mr. A is shot.

Media needs to stop trying to portray everything as racism to get a juicy story. I was RIGHT there alongside yall ready to have these two guys lynched for being hateful terrible racists. But I guess thats why they say not to fall into a mob mentality, especially when you dont have all the facts.

What is my opinion now? They should still go to jail for manslaughter and trying to take the law into their own hands, but at least I dont see them racists.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Usain Bolt isn't on film burgling.

neither was this guy?