Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 8

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And I have never advocated vaccine lockdown.

A stay at home order means nothing if it doesn't come with only essential businesses

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Honestly they shouldn't even count anyone who can work at home in those polls because it slants everything. To them, the stay at home order relatively doesn't change anything for them.

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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly they shouldn't even count anyone who can work at home in those polls because it slants everything. To them, the stay at home order relatively doesn't change anything for them.

That's not true. I have the ability to work at home and my company has adapted but I'm not alone when I say staying home with my wife and kids is absolute torture. Send me back to the office ASAP

Minnesota relaxing stay at home, with businesses opening up should they choose to. Ok then. I don't have to open up the doors Sunday, so I can focus on readying the store for everyone else at least.

Get paid, so I can say, fuck the customers. Prefer it that way.

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I'm not sure what you were trying to say there, strife.

Good that Minnesota is giving people the option though.

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Leafeon13N posted...

Or worse opening while still having an increase of deaths and cases like some states.

Hi from Iowa.

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Leafeon13N posted...

My state is opening and I support opening in an intelligent manner.

We just aren't opening with a free for all or bickering over what we should do.

Or worse opening while still having an increase of deaths and cases like some states.

I don't think this is true though because I believe you have multiple times criticized states for opening things while in decline.

For example...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html

I believe you keep saying your stance is something while also your criticisms don't actually abide by what you are saying.

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I dont believe I said anything contradictory.

The state has said, "Open up if you keep guidelines in mind." As for me, my store said, "We'll officially open the day AFTER Sunday, so go in and just do inventory shit, but don't let anyone in."

My reaction is, "Fine by me."

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Strife2 posted...

The state has said, "Open up if you keep guidelines in mind." As for me, my store said, "We'll officially open the day AFTER Sunday, so go in and just do inventory shit, but don't let anyone in."

My reaction is, "Fine by me."

I understand you now. Makes sense.

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Yeah. Retail is fine, but I process it like living the movie Clerks. That shit in the movie is actually close to reality sometimes. Working weekends lets me avoid SOME of that

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/covid-19-tests-combine-virginia/611620/

And here I was feeling better about Virginia's improved testing.

I mean, hospitalizations have declined recently but it's still disconcerting that they're merging antibody tests into the figures since that's just playing a statistical game and missing the point of the testing that gets communicated to the public in the first place.

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Esuriat posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/covid-19-tests-combine-virginia/611620/

And here I was feeling better about Virginia's improved testing.

I mean, hospitalizations have declined recently but it's still disconcerting that they're merging antibody tests into the figures since that's just playing a statistical game and missing the point of the testing that gets communicated to the public in the first place.

wtf

This is just a really bad thing to do given the false positive rates. Also even if you ignore that (big) issue, they obfuscate what you actually care about for informing decisions (the rate of new infections).

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I guess on the plus side, if they've been reporting those for a while the actual situation in VA may be better than the data seemed to suggest?

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It might be, yeah. The number of cases is disproportionately high for the deaths Virginia has seen so far, at least compared with national average.

The Atlantic authors never specified the proportion of overalls tests that were serologic and I remember at the start of May there was a jump of some 14,000 tests, way more than usual up to that point. That seems like a likely starting point for the mixing, but thankfully it seemingly isn't an enormous component. It definitely wouldn't surprise me if they're not alone in this, though.

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the netherlands drops from #16 to #17 on the list of countries with the most cases (though this doesn't seem to properly listed on wikipedia). saudi arabia takes the #16 spot.

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Yay us?
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unlike the past few placement drops, this one probably didn't happen because our situation is improving. the amount of new cases each day over the past few weeks has been pretty constant. seems like saudi arabia has been getting a ton of new cases in the past week or so for some reason.

it's always a good thing that our situation isn't worsening, though!

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The opposing attitudes on 'reopening' remind me of an episode in one of the bad seasons of... (had to google)... house of cards

There's that one episode where Rapey Spacey is deciding whether to divert funds from his employment project back to the emergency fund (he had declared unemployment a federal emergency).

There was a hurricane with a 50% chance of blowing up south carolina in two days, and without sufficient funding it would cause a bunch of deaths. In the end (sorry, house of cards spoilers i guess) Spacey permanently gives up the funds to disaster relief at the last possible second, but the hurricane goes back to sea harmlessly

Did he make the right choice, even though the hurricane passed by harmlessly?

Would staying closed be the right choice, even though the disease might magically go away on its own? Would opening be the right choice, even if we lucked out?

I think the idea is that the intelligent choice doesn't depend on where the coin flip lands- it has to take into account both scenarios

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This is how messed up Florida Unemployment is

I applied on April 11th. My status on the website still says Pending - Submitted. I called on April 28th and they said they couldn't find a record of my application so to just wait as the system must not have merged it in yet. I then call back today as nothing has changed. They still can't find a record of my application. If they search my Social or my Phone Number nothing turns up. If they search my claim ID he says it shows someone different to me.

On my end when I log into the application site it shows all my information fine. When I try log into the site that gives status updates and actually distributes the money it can't find me.

So this morning I have currently been on the phone with them for 1 hour 36 mins trying to sort it out (about 10 mins of this was on hold mid call) . After about 30 mins he started trying to enter the application from scratch for me. He's on the second page and the system won't let him do anything more, just doesn't progress. He's tried to contact a supervisor multiple times with no luck.

I have no idea what the hell I am supposed to do at this point.

that's frustrating, dude

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UltimaterializerX posted...

California just had a republican flip a seat in Congress for the first time since 1998.

Keep it up, lockdown tyrants. The people are not on your side.

That seat was held by a republican from 1993 to 2019

Not really as impressive as you make it out to be given a Democrat had it for less than a year

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VintageGin posted...

That seat was held by a republican from 1993 to 2019

Not really as impressive as you make it out to be given a Democrat had it for less than a year

And (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't that special election just for a few months because the seat is back up in November?

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lol Ulti

keep being that shill for the terrible parts of the right

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it's pretty ridiculous how sephyg and muffin constantly get purg'd and warned for their anti-lockdown posts (rightfully so) but ulti can just spout his bullshit about "lockdown tyrants" without any consequences. mod pockets indeed.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/asia-s-virus-taming-stars-disappointed-by-resurgence-of-cases?sref=TBDibEcD


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Ulti quoting a tweet angry they can't get a haircut is hilarious.

Corrik7 posted...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/asia-s-virus-taming-stars-disappointed-by-resurgence-of-cases?sref=TBDibEcD

South Korea actually came really close to eradicating it. They had three consecutive days without new domestic cases (only new cases were via travelers who were already in a a mandated two week quarantine).

One person ended up fucking it up for everyone, unfortunately. It's still not impossible for them to succeed, but it's definitely a setback.

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They weren't close to eradicating it. What you should be glistening from this is that there is no eradicating it due to the worldwide spread. Even when they think they have eradicated it, there is likely people running around asymptomatically somewhere.

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Corrik7 posted...

They weren't close to eradicating it. What you should be glistening from this is that there is no eradicating it due to the worldwide spread. Even when they think they have eradicated it, there is likely people running around asymptomatically somewhere.

There is the possibility of eradicating it locally. You realize that there is a mandatory two week quarantine for anyone coming into Korea, right? As in they take you straight from the airport to a hotel where you are not allowed to leave your room for two weeks.

Korea also has way less in the way of privacy laws which means they can contact trace a lot more effectively, which is exactly why they haven't had the same level of lockdowns other countries have had.

There is no way to eradicate it in the US, but it's pretty viable in Korea.

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Wisconsin supreme court overruled the governor and took down the stay at home order. Now counties and municipalities are placing their own orders. This is leading neighboring counties/cities to have different instructions. Some are wide open, others still closed down. It's pandemonium.

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I wonder how TimJab is doing, if he still has the virus. It's been well over a month by now.

Suppose I could ask him myself @SavageInTheBox how you doin' man

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

the netherlands drops from #16 to #17 on the list of countries with the most cases (though this doesn't seem to properly listed on wikipedia). saudi arabia takes the #16 spot.

they've corrected the list on wikipedia now.

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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity#

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CassandraCain posted...

I wonder how TimJab is doing, if he still has the virus. It's been well over a month by now.

Suppose I could ask him myself @SavageInTheBox how you doin' man

I'm doing well thanks. My symptoms subsided around 3 weeks ago. I was sick for a while though.

One good thing, and I realize it's anecdotal, is that I'm pretty sure you can't get it twice. At least not right away. Everybody I work with got it pretty much immediately and everybody has been back to work for a month with no new cases. There is no way we wouldn't have people getting sick by now.

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It would make sense that you cant get the same strain twice. Lets just hope that there arent multiple strains
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Yeah but from what I've read they still aren't sure

I've felt better long enough that I should probably go for an antibody test

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Has it calmed down in NYC at all yet from your perspective? Still getting like 10x more of those calls where someone is just dead in their home or has it finally started to slow down?

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Pretty much all reports of distinct strains or "types" within the virus have been speculative and weakly supported with preprints, none of which have ever received sufficient peer review for publishing. One of the most popular ones is the notion that in the US there was a west coast "strain" from Wuhan and an east coast "strain" from Europe with significant differences in virulence, but nothing has truly supported this and the strains would have rapidly recombined anyway.

The key difference with regard to antibody function would have to do with the spike protein anyway, and there's never been a major difference seen there in any sequence.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Has it calmed down in NYC at all yet from your perspective? Still getting like 10x more of those calls where someone is just dead in their home or has it finally started to slow down?

It was more like 100x more of those calls but thankfully yes, it has calmed down. A lot of it had to do with like 90% of my precinct being out sick simultaneously as well so my workload just went through the roof. It was a bit overwhelming when you have to leave one dead person to go to another over and over.

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Piece on what was going on behind the scenes in that Santa Clara seroprevalence study. Sounds like a clusterfuck all around:

https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1261406391710842882

In particular, two scientists who worked on the study had such strong reservations that they demanded to be removed as coauthors. I do, like Bergstrom, strongly doubt that getting $5000 in research unding from Neeleman was the thing motivating them to do this shit though.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I do, like Bergstrom, strongly doubt that getting $5000 in research unding from Neeleman was the thing motivating them to do this shit though.

Yeah if it was only a couple grand that's nothing. I think this was Dr Ioannidis believing everyone else was doing bad science SO HARD that he wound up doing some bad science to try to prove them wrong. This will severely damage his reputation.

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Yeah it's also money for the research (which surely cost more than that) and not for the researchers personally. That said, he clearly had a preconceived notion that the prevalence was much higher/death rate was much higher than the consensus, and at minimum that belief caused them to overlook severe issues with their study that they should have caught.

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Esuriat posted...

The key difference with regard to antibody function would have to do with the spike protein anyway, and there's never been a major difference seen there in any sequence.

This isn't strictly accurate: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/07/mutations-in-the-coronavirus-spike-protein

(yeah, I know they cite a pre-print, but this one looks fairly solid.)

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