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Moonroof
04/29/20 10:55:48 PM
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With the Coronavirus decimating the stock market the last few months, now is the best time to invest in stocks. I know a lot of users here are way more knowledgeable than I am when it comes to stocks, so Im making this topic to collectively pool together insight.

We appear to be in an upswing and the market may be on its way to a return to normalcy. With that being said, there is still ample opportunity to make gains, especially if a second wave hits.

We are currently looking into a variety of airlines, cruise lines, financial companies, casino/resorts, and random medical companies that seem to spike with any news of vaccines.

What else do you guys got?
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Moonroof
04/29/20 10:56:52 PM
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THE STEADY HOLD METHOD
You put $1,000 in stock A at $5 and sell it at $6.
This is a 20% gain which comes out to a $200 profit.

THE SELL AND PARTIAL RE-INVEST METHOD
You put $1,000 in stock A at $5.00. It goes up to $5.50 at which point you sell. You immediately buy back in for another $1,000 at $5.50. It goes up to $6 and you sell.
This starts with a $100 profit in the first sale, and a 9.1% profit the second time ($91). This comes to $191 profit.

THE SELL AND FULL RE-INVEST METHOD
You put $1,000 in stock A at $5.00. It goes up to $5.50 at which point you sell. You immediately buy back in using your original $1,000 plus the profit of $100, totaling $1,100 at $5.50. It goes up to $6 and you sell.
This is a 10% profit the first time you sell to for a $100 profit and a 9.1% profit the second time for a $100.09 profit, totaling a $200.09 profit.

THE SELL AND MARKET TIMING METHOD
You put $1,000 in stock A at $5.00. It goes up to $5.50 at which point you sell. It then drops to $5.25 at which point you put in another $1,000. It goes up to $6 and you sell.
This is a 10% profit the first time you sell it ($100 profit) and a 14.29% profit the second time ($143 profit). This comes to $243 profit.

This is not a perfect science as there are numerous variables such as risks with attempting to time the market, how high the stock ends up reaching, how much you reinvest after selling, etc etc.
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SuperNiceDog
04/29/20 11:22:34 PM
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good layout of various strategies Moonroof! Of course, all of this depends on several factors, like:

1) How much conviction you have in an idea
2) What's your bankroll and risk tolerance?
3) How much are you willing to lose?
4) How experienced of an investor are you?

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Moonroof
04/29/20 11:32:34 PM
#4:


Yup, exactly. Thats why its not a perfect science, but rather a few fundamentals just to consider.
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Moonroof
04/29/20 11:34:07 PM
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I will admit that day-trading has tainted my rationale with investing overall. I became conditioned to sell immediately, since I was dealing mostly with meme stocks, and now that Im trying to steer towards blue chip stocks Im having trouble holding on for the long run.
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red13n
04/30/20 1:51:16 AM
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My plan is 90% of my non-emergency fund in safe options(With an amount leveraged in an S&P500 Index for more safety) and 10% to gamble on day trades when I so choose.

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MarkS222222222222222
04/30/20 2:03:47 AM
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Where are you getting this extra $0.09 for sell and full reinvest?

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red sox 777
04/30/20 2:08:46 AM
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MarkS222222222222222 posted...
Where are you getting this extra $0.09 for sell and full reinvest?

Rounding error.

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DoomTheGyarados
04/30/20 7:25:25 AM
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things are cratering to their market values after being insane post market but that's fine tbh.

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Moonroof
04/30/20 8:32:14 AM
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I might sell the ones Id still profit on at open, assuming the market will continue to go down today. Then Ill buy back in. As for the ones Id be down in, Im holding.
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DoomTheGyarados
04/30/20 8:44:20 AM
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I rarely do that but I might today to see how everything goes.

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DoomTheGyarados
04/30/20 9:02:08 AM
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eh actually I am just going to ride the wave I think, this seems a bit like an over correction to a "too good day" and it might not be optimal but I dont want to pay close attention.

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greengravy294
04/30/20 12:42:11 PM
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Pulled the trigger on disney. Let's go

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Lopen
04/30/20 12:49:34 PM
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I am kinda considering buying into AMC after it dropped 10% today

What does everyone think that thing is gonna rise to.

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Colegreen_c12
04/30/20 12:49:47 PM
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Moonroof posted...
THE SELL AND FULL RE-INVEST METHOD
You put $1,000 in stock A at $5.00. It goes up to $5.50 at which point you sell. You immediately buy back in using your original $1,000 plus the profit of $100, totaling $1,100 at $5.50. It goes up to $6 and you sell.
This is a 10% profit the first time you sell to for a $100 profit and a 9.1% profit the second time for a $100.09 profit, totaling a $200.09 profit.


This isn't a real method and has 0 point. All your doing is making it more likely to pay short-term tax vs long term

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Moonroof
04/30/20 12:52:12 PM
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I dont have an opinion on AMC other than I view it as a meme stock and therefore dont trust it. Its obviously more than a meme stock but it was declining before the crash happened so unless you want to gamble and hope it spikes for a quick sale, Id stay away.
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Moonroof
04/30/20 12:52:50 PM
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Colegreen_c12 posted...
This isn't a real method and has 0 point. All your doing is making it more likely to pay short-term tax vs long term

The point is that you believe in the stock enough to put more money into it. The method that really makes no sense is the partial reinvestment one.
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Colegreen_c12
04/30/20 12:55:27 PM
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Moonroof posted...
The point is that you believe in the stock enough to put more money into it. The method that really makes no sense is the partial reinvestment one.

but your not putting more money into it you selling and putting the same money into it.

the partial reinvestment actually makes more sense (but still not really why wouldnt you just sell a portion) because a lot of times when a stock goes up you want to take some money out of it and put it elsewhere to ensure you are properly diversified.

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DoomTheGyarados
04/30/20 12:55:50 PM
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I went from losing 2000 dollars today to 700 in 15 minutes.

Just take a breath if your stocks are taking a beating, it is a downward over correction.

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Lopen
04/30/20 1:03:00 PM
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So what are the odds JC Penney doesn't just die soon.

I'm so tempted to go for it. I feel like they should be able to survive just by cutting losses by closing a bunch of branches and being primarily an online platform. The brand name is strong, ya know.

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neonreaper
04/30/20 1:10:22 PM
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J.C. Penney is fucked

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Moonroof
04/30/20 1:45:49 PM
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Welp I misread the market. I couldve sworn today would be green. It was all the way up until 7am, anyway. Then it spiked up around 10am but I was sleeping -_-

Wish I held off buying $85k worth of stocks until today but as least I picked ones that will go up in time. Just gotta hope a second corona wave doesnt decimate the market!
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SuperNiceDog
04/30/20 1:55:28 PM
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good time to buy RCL, CCL today, do it end of the day though

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Leafeon13N
04/30/20 2:20:20 PM
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Stocks jumped too high in after hours yesterday which triggered a big sell-off as people tried to grab profits today.
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DoomTheGyarados
04/30/20 2:28:16 PM
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Leafeon13N posted...
Stocks jumped too high in after hours yesterday which triggered a big sell-off as people tried to grab profits today.

Yeah this. It happens.

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barreldragon88
04/30/20 2:48:23 PM
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SuperNiceDog posted...
good time to buy RCL, CCL today, do it end of the day though
You don't think there's still room for them to drop after today?

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red13n
04/30/20 6:59:29 PM
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Also Disney's ability to make money came up a bit ago. Today they unveiled character and series themed face masks for sale.

These things are going to sell like hotcakes and continue to sell like hotcakes as people accessorize for their future park visits.

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Moonroof
05/01/20 5:27:28 AM
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Wow. Wtf is happening with the market? It's going to take a month just for me to break even at this point
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Leafeon13N
05/01/20 5:57:25 AM
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Where did you put your money that you are down that much?
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Leafeon13N
05/01/20 6:04:09 AM
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Also going to remind people that the last month was not normal. Over the long haul all these safe stocks you should have money in will go up. But there will be periods, some that last a month or months, where they don't. We are all young enough that we should be aiming for returns over years, not necessarily days, weeks, or months.
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Moonroof
05/01/20 6:40:27 AM
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The three major banks, PRU, and WYNN.
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Moonroof
05/01/20 11:19:50 AM
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I strongly considered using the $100,000 in margin funds I have to regain my position. I decided against it though because god forbid Im in the red on that money. Id already owe interest and thats technically not my money to spend, meaning I could end up owing money.
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Lopen
05/01/20 11:41:13 AM
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I'm not sure why you'd put money on three major banks. You might as well just put it all on one bank cause it's not really diversifying at that point you're mostly just adding more management overhead <_<

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Leafeon13N
05/01/20 11:58:38 AM
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Moonroof posted...
I strongly considered using the $100,000 in margin funds I have to regain my position. I decided against it though because god forbid Im in the red on that money. Id already owe interest and thats technically not my money to spend, meaning I could end up owing money.
They would literally trigger a flag, consider your investment too high risk at some point, forcibly sell your securities and pay themselves.
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Leafeon13N
05/01/20 12:23:57 PM
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Stuffed just a bit more in my s&p 500 fund when it was down 2.93%.
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SuperNiceDog
05/01/20 1:00:29 PM
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I think today's a good time to buy, tough though

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SuperNiceDog
05/01/20 1:03:21 PM
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market's crushed today

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SuperNiceDog
05/01/20 1:21:11 PM
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sorry Moonroof... yea the market is really tough right now... none of the rallies seem to be able to hold on

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red sox 777
05/01/20 1:24:31 PM
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Moonroof, daytrading is basically like gambling. Some days it goes up, some days it goes down. You can win on most trades by following a strategy of selling quickly when you have a profit and holding or doubling down when you are down, but this is NOT in itself a winning strategy because the losses, when they do come, will be bigger than the winnings. That is to say, if you are actually able to predict the day to day variations, timing them is great, but if you don't have any more predictive power on them than random, the "money management" of strategy of cashing out small wins does not really help.

Once the casinos are open again, you can fairly easily win on 90%+ of days by playing blackjack or roulette. You use the same strategy - bring a lot of money, leave if you are up a little, camp out and play until you break even if you are losing. You'll leave with a small gain on most days but when you do hit a big losing day, you'll give it all back and more. And that's because you won't have any really big winning days, since you always left when you were up a little.

The difference between the stock market and the casino is that the casino offers actually negative expectation games, while the stock market is positive expectation. So if you use this strategy on the markets, you should make money in the long run - but that's not because of the strategy, it's because the market is positive expectation. And I think you'll probably make less money than with a buy and hold strategy because your money is spending more time not invested.

It's really deceptive, because we like to attribute results to things we can see, like our strategy, and not to nebulous ideas like "the stock market goes up in the long run" or "all the games at the casino favor the house."

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Moonroof
05/01/20 1:46:16 PM
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Well, the stocks I put money into WILL go up. Im just pissed because I could have waited a few more days before investing.
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red sox 777
05/01/20 1:55:36 PM
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Moonroof posted...
Well, the stocks I put money into WILL go up. Im just pissed because I could have waited a few more days before investing.

Well, that's the danger about margin - even if it goes up eventually, if it goes down enough in the short term you can get wiped out in that the brokerage forcibly sells the shares and you don't get to participate in the upside.

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Moonroof
05/01/20 2:14:22 PM
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I opted against using margin for those investments.
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Nanis23
05/01/20 3:07:06 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/01/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-says-stock-price-is-too-high-shares-fall.html
Musk is a fucking douche. This should be illegal
People are losing money because of this shit. This is not a joke

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Moonroof
05/01/20 3:13:39 PM
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Wow. That is unbelievable. What is his deal?
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Leafeon13N
05/01/20 3:16:13 PM
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Elon Musk is a crazy out of touch super rich dude.
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greengravy294
05/01/20 3:27:02 PM
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Yeah I dont really get why he felt the need to tweet that out. No shit its overpriced.

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red sox 777
05/01/20 3:40:16 PM
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Elon Musk is losing it. He needs a long vacation. This is what working 100 hours a week does to you.

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Nanis23
05/01/20 3:40:41 PM
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This is what makes me scratch my head the most
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/02/20/elon-musk-buys-10-million-of-tesla-stock.aspx
If 3 months ago he bought shares when Tesla was $767, why is he saying it's overpriced

I mean, IT IS, but why did he buy them in the first place lol

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neonreaper
05/01/20 3:52:14 PM
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Like I said I have no stomach for TSLA

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Moonroof
05/02/20 11:29:41 PM
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Buffet just said Berkshire sold all its airline stocks for a 10% loss. Id gtfo and stay away from those even more so than before.

https://apple.news/ABDRlpEPTQrudb6p8K6NevA

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/02/warren-buffett-sells-airline-stocks-amid-coronavirus-i-made-a-mistake/
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