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Inviso
04/28/20 4:34:01 PM
#151:


ExThaNemesis posted...
It doesn't matter what I believe. I personally have got to stick to my guns and maintain that all public accusations, especially high profile ones like this that come out years after the fact with aims at politically damaging someone, need to be shelved.

My position is the only one that's remained consistent through all of this. The Biden supporters either have to admit that their position only applies when the accused is a republican (hypocrisy), or that there is some merit to questioning an accuser coming forward at a time like this.

I believe Tara Reade. I'm still forced to vote Joe Biden because the Democrats didn't offer up a better candidate that could actually beat him (and just in case you think I've been HAPPILY backing Biden forever, I ranked him as my second-least favorite candidate at the start of the primaries), and the alternative is a guy accused of sexual assault twenty-three times, two of which came before he ever ran for public office and thus have no political motivation behind them.

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Corrik7
04/28/20 4:35:09 PM
#152:


Inviso posted...
I believe Tara Reade. I'm still forced to vote Joe Biden because the Democrats didn't offer up a better candidate that could actually beat him (and just in case you think I've been HAPPILY backing Biden forever, I ranked him as my second-least favorite candidate at the start of the primaries), and the alternative is a guy accused of sexual assault twenty-three times, two of which came before he ever ran for public office and thus have no political motivation behind them.
I could think of a billion possible motivations.

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MysticBrohan
04/28/20 4:36:19 PM
#153:


1) have a nice orgasm

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Inviso
04/28/20 4:37:03 PM
#154:


Corrik7 posted...
I could think of a billion possible motivations.

Political motivations? I'm just going off of ExTha's own wording.

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Corrik7
04/28/20 4:38:04 PM
#155:


Now the question is... Does this make you a sexual assault apologist, Inviso?

Isn't that a claim you have possibly made about Republicans who supported Kavanaugh or Trump?

Would this also mean you would vote for Kavanaugh over Biden if you had the option since Kavanaugh had 2 allegations to Biden's 7 now?

How does this work exactly?

Can you explain to me how the sexual assault allegations scorecard works for your supporting of candidates?

Because you can't argue you wouldn't support any of them because you do have that option and are choosing not to use that option in November. Right?

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GTM
04/28/20 4:53:08 PM
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GTM posted...
jakyl appreciation topic
I'm sorry this was a disaster of a party

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Jakyl25
04/28/20 5:00:56 PM
#159:


I get what I deserve
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TheRock1525
04/28/20 5:02:50 PM
#160:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Also, the last I'd seen from Rock was him saying "Hmmmm why didn't she come forward about this sooner?" which is straight out of the YOU SHOULD NEVER QUESTION VICTIMS playbook he claimed to hate so much
Literally never said that.

What I said is that she radically changed her story from her initial claim. I never cared when she came out about any accusation, just that she went from "he touched my neck" to "he put his fingers inside my vagina."

The fact that she was praising Biden up until 2017 on Twitter, then suddenly thought Putin was the greatest man alive made me incredibly skeptical. But even the sketchy accusations deserve a full and thorough investigation. More information has surfaced that led me to believe it happened and unless Biden produces something compelling I will not be voting for him. He can win Michigan without me if he'd like.

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:04:24 PM
#161:


I appreciate JakyL as he seems to take an honest appraisal of every post based off its objective points, and doesn't immediately say "this person is on the other team, how and why are they wrong?"

that behavior is a plague on this board and discourse in our society as a whole

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Inviso
04/28/20 5:05:06 PM
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Basically, both candidates for office are accused of sexual assault. I bring up the larger number of accusations leveled towards Trump because, at the very least, they make him appear like far more of a sexual predator than Joe Biden. In reality though, they're both fucking sexual assaulters. It's disgusting that we have two candidates for office who have reasonable accusations of sexual assault leveled against them, and unfortunately, we can't have a reasonable debate as to WHY we are in a position in which two old white men with sexual assault allegations are our nominees for the highest power and authority in this country, because people like you and ExTha believe that EVERYTHING is a lie and a political smear.

If I vote for Biden, I am giving a plus one to a sexual assaulter. If I vote for Trump, I am giving a plus TWO to a sexual assaulter. If I vote for neither, I am giving a plus one to Trump (a sexual assaulter). You can see my dilemma here. These are the options we have. Joe Biden committed sexual assault. Donald Trump committed sexual assault. ONE of them is going to be president. Me folding my arms and saying "I'm a bastion of moral purity and I shan't sully my good name by casting a ballot for either of these ruffians" is just giving more power to immoral people like yourself, who don't give a shit either way. And at the end of the day, Democrats are just better than Republicans, so I've gotta vote for the party that's going to do the most good for the most people.

But hey, this isn't really about me. This is about you. You can hold your head up high this time and vote for a sexual assaulter, confident in the knowledge that at least the OTHER GUY is a sexual assaulter as well. It's not like 2016, where you voted for a sexual assaulter against a woman. Full stop.

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:06:10 PM
#163:


TheRock1525 posted...
Literally never said that.

What I said is that she radically changed her story from her initial claim. I never cared when she came out about any accusation, just that she went from "he touched my neck" to "he put his fingers inside my vagina."

The fact that she was praising Biden up until 2017 on Twitter, then suddenly thought Putin was the greatest man alive made me incredibly skeptical. But even the sketchy accusations deserve a full and thorough investigation. More information has surfaced that led me to believe it happened and unless Biden produces something compelling I will not be voting for him. He can win Michigan without me if he'd like.

changing the story from the initial claim is fairly common for sex abuse victims for a multitude of reasons. shame, fear, repression, etc. the second paragraph is a little more challenging for her case

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TheRock1525
04/28/20 5:08:48 PM
#164:


We're talking a massive change to the story. Misremembering details is one thing, but it's hard to believe that someone would confuse "touching my neck" and "penetrating my vagina".

Like I'm sure I'll get mixed up on my personal experience but it's always going to be "my high school teacher raped me."

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ExThaNemesis
04/28/20 5:08:56 PM
#165:


iiaattgg posted...
I appreciate JakyL as he seems to take an honest appraisal of every post based off its objective points, and doesn't immediately say "this person is on the other team, how and why are they wrong?"

Jakyl would go on my list of dudes that I've most enjoyed talking to here and it's for that reason.

That and he can fantasy book pro wrestling better than anyone alive IMO.

And Rock I appreciate that you've actually put thought into it and stuck to your convictions with this one.

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Tom Bombadil
04/28/20 5:12:14 PM
#166:


Jakyl25 posted...
I get what I deserve

I had Dante reboot the UCA with a bomb and it was still less boring than that!

ExThaNemesis posted...
That and he can fantasy book pro wrestling better than anyone alive IMO.

I'm not sure I've actually seen him do much fantasy booking but this seems plausible but Lopen is a high bar to clear

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:12:41 PM
#167:


TheRock1525 posted...
We're talking a massive change to the story. Misremembering details is one thing, but it's hard to believe that someone would confuse "touching my neck" and "penetrating my vagina".

Like I'm sure I'll get mixed up on my personal experience but it's always going to be "my high school teacher raped me."
its not that shes confusing them. she either created an alternative narrative in her mind (trauma is a powerful drug) or willfully told a dishonest story off the bat out of shame or fear or many other reasons

i work with victims of this stuff all the time. it obviously doesnt mean she is telling the truth, she could definitely be lying. but when some people get suspicious of changed stories for sex victims, my training and experience has me say "well, yeah, thats pretty common". only point i was trying to make

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redrocket
04/28/20 5:12:44 PM
#168:


Rock, the part I dont understand is how you say you are incredibly skeptical, and there needs to be an investigation, but without there even being an investigation yet you have already committed yourself to, fuck Biden if he thinks hes getting MY vote. Especially when the alternative is Trump.

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Jakyl25
04/28/20 5:14:59 PM
#169:


I stopped giving a shit about fantasy booking once I realized that the only jobs in that field alone are in WWE and hell fucking no to ever working there
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ExThaNemesis
04/28/20 5:16:27 PM
#170:


I watched Jakly tells us all how he'd get the Ballin Elbow over as the most devastating finisher in wrestling once and I've been a believer ever since.

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Lopen
04/28/20 5:17:36 PM
#171:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I watched Jakly tells us all how he'd get the Ballin Elbow over as the most devastating finisher in wrestling once and I've been a believer ever since.

How did I miss this.

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TheRock1525
04/28/20 5:17:57 PM
#172:


There has been an investigation, it's just been done my journalists who have found fairly compelling evidence to support Reade's case.

And yes the alternate is Trump which is obviously why I'm not voting for him, but Dem voters have nothing to blame but themselves here. I'm not a Bernie or Bust guy, either, as the Politics topic can attest, but the voters chose Biden, not me.

Now if Biden comes out with a compelling defense and Tara Reade's story falls apart, I'm open to changing my mind. Always am. So he's got 6 months to figure out something or I'm voting down ballot only.

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Jakyl25
04/28/20 5:19:21 PM
#173:


Lopen posted...


How did I miss this.


I dont even remember this
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Whiskey_Nick
04/28/20 5:19:57 PM
#174:


Am I allowed to think Biden is garbage but is better than Trump?

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Lopen
04/28/20 5:20:15 PM
#175:


I'm gonna say I did it then

Ridiculous idea putting over MVP sounds out of my wheelhouse

Score one more for Lopenbooking

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Inviso
04/28/20 5:20:27 PM
#176:


Whiskey_Nick posted...
Am I allowed to think Biden is garbage but is better than Trump?

This is my opinion, but apparently it's not allowed.

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ExThaNemesis
04/28/20 5:20:29 PM
#177:


I'm pretty sure Sess is the one that asked you to do it!

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:21:09 PM
#178:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I'm pretty sure Sess is the one that asked you to do it!
wow that did happen like 12 years ago LOL

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ExThaNemesis
04/28/20 5:24:05 PM
#179:


I can remember Jakyl putting the Ballin Elbow over 12 years ago but I can't remember which of the libs in the politics topic is still supporting Biden

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Jakyl25
04/28/20 5:26:42 PM
#180:


Does it count if Im still just holding my nose and voting for Biden?
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ExThaNemesis
04/28/20 5:27:41 PM
#181:


why do you hate women, jakyl

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Jakyl25
04/28/20 5:30:28 PM
#182:


Hey, Trump could turn out to be a better human being than Joe Biden

But I have an agenda
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Lopen
04/28/20 5:35:28 PM
#183:


Well I'm glad some people are casting their vote based on criteria that isn't "this one probably has exploited women less often"

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Corrik7
04/28/20 5:35:48 PM
#184:


Inviso posted...
This is my opinion, but apparently it's not allowed.
When the left has screamed if you voted for Trump at all you were giving a platform to racism or that you are a rape apologist if you didn't believe Ford utterly with her zero evidence, I mean. The left has cast the die for judgment there. Wouldn't you agree?

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red sox 777
04/28/20 5:38:17 PM
#185:


Sorry Sephy. You don't deserve to be banned and this board will be a far more boring place without you.


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Corrik7
04/28/20 5:39:10 PM
#186:


I don't see how by using the left's logic that voting for Biden with an assault allegation, if you believe it, doesn't make you giving a platform to sexual assault and a rape apologist. I mean that was their own logic set forth prior there.


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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:40:43 PM
#187:


Corrik7 posted...
Wouldn't you agree?
you are making a big mistake asking anyone other than myself on this board if they would agree with the fact that they might be wrong

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Inviso
04/28/20 5:42:04 PM
#188:


Corrik7 posted...
I don't see how by using the left's logic that voting for Biden with an assault allegation, if you believe it, doesn't make you giving a platform to sexual assault and a rape apologist. I mean that was their own logic set forth prior there.

Uh...perhaps because NOT voting for Biden is doing the same thing? Maybe that's it? Maybe?

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Mr Lasastryke
04/28/20 5:44:00 PM
#189:


red sox 777 posted...
Sorry Sephy. You don't deserve to be banned and this board will be a far more boring place without you.

don't worry, he'll be back

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Mr Lasastryke
04/28/20 5:44:43 PM
#190:


iiaattgg posted...
you are making a big mistake asking anyone other than myself on this board if they would agree with the fact that they might be wrong

really trying hard to keep up the "i'm not an asshole anymore" thing, huh

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:46:26 PM
#191:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
really trying hard to keep up the "i'm not an asshole anymore" thing, huh
i continue to be the only one who is not an asshole, the only one who can apologize, the only one who can admit "i was wrong" so yeah

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iiaattgg
04/28/20 5:48:08 PM
#192:


again, if anyone wants to be my partner in crime in terms of personal responsibility and accountability i am all ears, but no one is interested in apologizing or being okay with not winning every minute online argument

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Inviso
04/28/20 5:54:20 PM
#193:


Actually, you know what? I'd like to revise my prior post. Yes, you're right that I've become a sexual assault apologist. But in my defense, I would argue that every single person in the country is similarly a sexual assault apologist. Because if I vote for Trump, I'm voting for a rapist. If I vote for Biden, I'm voting for a man who committed sexual assault. If I vote for neither, or cast a pointless vote for a third party, then I'm essentially saying I'm okay with EITHER of the sexual assault candidates being in charge. There's no winning, if you care about sexual assault victims, as I do. Unfortunately, these are the candidates we're stuck with, and at the end of the day, our president is going to be a 70+ white man accused of sexual assault. This is what our country is okay with. We're a country of rape culture and toxic masculinity, and it's all culminated in two rapists in contention for the highest office in the land. Could've had Hillary in 2016. At least half the country weren't rape apologists back then, but now everyone is. Hooray.

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Tom Bombadil
04/28/20 5:54:54 PM
#194:


oh I get it he's doing an ulti shtick

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red sox 777
04/28/20 5:59:10 PM
#195:


Inviso posted...
Actually, you know what? I'd like to revise my prior post. Yes, you're right that I've become a sexual assault apologist. But in my defense, I would argue that every single person in the country is similarly a sexual assault apologist. Because if I vote for Trump, I'm voting for a rapist. If I vote for Biden, I'm voting for a man who committed sexual assault. If I vote for neither, or cast a pointless vote for a third party, then I'm essentially saying I'm okay with EITHER of the sexual assault candidates being in charge. There's no winning, if you care about sexual assault victims, as I do. Unfortunately, these are the candidates we're stuck with, and at the end of the day, our president is going to be a 70+ white man accused of sexual assault. This is what our country is okay with. We're a country of rape culture and toxic masculinity, and it's all culminated in two rapists in contention for the highest office in the land. Could've had Hillary in 2016. At least half the country weren't rape apologists back then, but now everyone is. Hooray.

Have you considered that there is something wrong with your framework? If being a sexual assault apologist is now involuntary, it's become a completely meaningless term.

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Inviso
04/28/20 6:00:46 PM
#196:


red sox 777 posted...
Have you considered that there is something wrong with your framework? If being a sexual assault apologist is now involuntary, it's become a completely meaningless term.

It's still meaningful. It just means that maybe we, as a country that has gladly opted to nominate two accused sexual assaulters to be our president, need to have a long, hard look at our culture and how to fucking fix that shit.

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MariaTaylor
04/28/20 6:08:10 PM
#197:


I like how Inviso choosing to vote for Joe Biden is somehow the ENTIRE COUNTRY's fault

personal responsibility? how does that work?

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red sox 777
04/28/20 6:09:34 PM
#198:


What you're doing is basically saying, alcohol is bad. Anyone who drinks water supports alcoholism because water is a gateway drug to drinking!

You won't get political support that way. If you want to ban alcohol, pander to water drinkers and praise them and their beverage of choice. If you tell the country that they have to vote for Hillary Clinton or they are XYZ, all they get from that is you are BS-ing them.

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Inviso
04/28/20 6:13:59 PM
#199:


MariaTaylor posted...
I like how Inviso choosing to vote for Joe Biden is somehow the ENTIRE COUNTRY's fault

personal responsibility? how does that work?

What are my options? Genuinely, what are my options? Vote for the sexual assaulter, vote for the sexual assaulter, vote third party and give up my right to have any say in which sexual assaulter is better, or don't vote and give up my right to have any say in which sexual assaulter is better. If you can give me an option that I could choose that would NOT result in one of the two rapists becoming president, I'd love to hear it.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/28/20 6:18:30 PM
#200:


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oh I get it he's doing an ulti shtick

Sess has been full Ulti for weeks now, only difference is he may actually attempt to stick with it to be the passive aggressive asshole king around here.
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