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NFUN
04/27/20 12:26:06 AM
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PIayer_0
04/27/20 12:30:49 AM
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Corridors of Time/Time Circuits/Zeal Theme 12000 BC is a 10/10 nothing else matters

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pjbasis
04/27/20 12:31:17 AM
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UF8
04/27/20 2:31:57 AM
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rate my dead bost set

Game: Radical Dreamers Nusumenai Houseki
1: Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBAA1NoErYE
2: The Girl Who Stole the Star - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oQigZkVTiI
3: Day of Summer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWFXwTdSN_o
4: Frozen Flame - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRlTvCotlc
5: Snakebone Mansion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQjqmA3oeWo
6: Gale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookyJaPujNE
Alt: Far Promise ~ Dream Shore 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jEVOjcU7gw
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azuarc
04/27/20 11:41:33 AM
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Nominations:
  1. Chrono Trigger - To Far Away Times - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5K-NNmgTM
  2. Chrono Trigger - Delightful Spekkio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MzLVOd-e8Y
  3. Chrono Trigger - Schala's Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJtwEpQe6w0
  4. Chrono Cross - Life ~ A Distant Promise - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnBWY7D_X7Q
  5. Radical Dreamers - The Girl Who Stole the Stars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSvO4SzQNuQ

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UF8
04/27/20 12:37:19 PM
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but i already posted the girl who stole the star

rank mine higher thanks

unironically too it's not meant to sound like it does in that other link
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azuarc
04/27/20 12:47:08 PM
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There goes my lone attempt to include a Radical Dreamers song. Fine.

Change:

  1. Chrono Cross - Radical Dreamers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE3c9X0BoA

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PIayer_0
04/27/20 1:28:55 PM
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Well, I can start with the songs I already heard in the past few days.

Corridors of Time is a top-tier vgm classic that I continue to find myself coming back to. I don't think anything beats it in terms of taking you on a journey to a mysterious place far away, blanketing you with layers on layers of atmosphere and immersion.

I heard To Far Away Times at Hb's guessing game on Saturday, though I was also familiar with it when I was first getting into vgm, maybe under the name Outskirts of Time. It's a nice ending theme that sounds very hopeful, though I prefer when it gets more quiet and sombre in the second half. I'm beginning to see the resemblance to PMD2's soundtrack!

Undersea Palace sounds like a dangerous place where the party should keep its guard up, and I like the lighter feel of the part at 0:50. I also don't like the part after it that ends the loop, I can only assume those crunchy samples are supposed to be trumpets with low brass but my ear just rejects it entirely.

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace

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Lucavi000
04/27/20 1:52:54 PM
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If Undersea Palace is ok tier then this topic is already in trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMntblDX0Bg


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azuarc
04/27/20 2:40:39 PM
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Well, I mean, by CT standards, I guess okay tier is reasonable.

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WazzupGenius00
04/27/20 2:45:38 PM
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UF8 posted...
but i already posted the girl who stole the star

rank mine higher thanks

unironically too it's not meant to sound like it does in that other link
Wow you werent kidding, its like a whole half-step down

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Hbthebattle
04/27/20 7:24:25 PM
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Frogs Theme
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PIayer_0
04/28/20 4:01:22 PM
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Alright calm yourselves, I'll go in order by person rather than songs.

Chronopolis has an Greek-sounding name, and is certainly a theme befitting the ancient ruins of some lost civilization. I enjoy the mellow synths and echoing percussion. The piano is okay.

I remember being impressed by Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit during BOST and considered supporting Radical Dreamers because of it. The gentle guitar strums grant me the same peace and comfort I'd feel returning to my childhood home. I don't know if this is even a full game, but the song would make good accompaniment to the ending of a fairy tale from an old storybook, and I like it better than CT's ending theme!

Sorry azuarc, I'm counting To Far Away Times as your freebie

Oh hey, I hear two songs I know in Dreamwatch of Time - Dream of the Shore Bordering Another World and Scars of Time. I think I like both of them better though, as nice as Dreamwatch is. This feels like the Through the Sea of Time of Chrono Cross, with driving percussion and cello illustrating an image of sailing out to sea in search of adventure.

Frog's Theme must be referencing that guy in the box art! Apparently I voted for this song in a loss against Planet Cephei during BOST. This Frog guy sounds like a proud knight serving a royal army, but the song is too short to break out of the repetitive bass drum and snare line. I like the flute I guess?

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme

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Toxtricity
04/28/20 5:37:33 PM
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"Best VGM 168 - Chrono Trigger - Secret of the Forest" - <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r1iesThvYg>;

"Chrono Trigger - Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)" - <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVevW4GuHbY>;

"Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont - Chrono Trigger" - <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqijup6QEG0>;

i am sort of being silly but, well, whatever. basically just picking random stuff that idk if you'll even count it

as a note corridors of time is probably what i'd have nommed if i didn't already know it was a favorite of yours lol (it's one of my favorites from the game~!). i think you'd like most of the ct ost and a good chunk of other mitsuda stuff so i'm just picking random things but you should just flat out listen to all of CT at some point and probably other mitsuda osts too (i need to go through all of chrono cross again myself)
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sergiocornaga
04/29/20 12:00:40 AM
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Chrono Trigger - Good Night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGeIAZPtgLs
Chrono Trigger - Huh!? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcRHzO2htx8
Chrono Trigger - A Prayer for the Wayfarer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVW3nJkrXP4
Chrono Trigger - Mystery from the Past - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdydfQVrUm8
Chrono Trigger - A Premonition - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKVKyfCX1k
Symphonic Fantasies - Fantasy III: Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0buWKN6AvFs
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Hbthebattle
04/29/20 1:39:31 AM
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Chrono Trigger - World Revolution
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UF8
04/29/20 1:41:20 AM
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PIayer_0
05/05/20 3:03:13 PM
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Secret of the Forest is like a more peaceful To Far Away Times, though it sounds more like an underwater theme to me than anything. The high strings that hit at 1:16 are kind of grating, definitely prefer the first half of the song. SupraDarky had this as Best VGM 168 and a similar-sounding song as Best VGM 169 lol

Whoa a calm music box piece named Good Night, PMD2 has one of those too! Shame that it's so short, but it does do a good job of relaxing me in the 5 seconds that it exists. Weird that it feels like a nice resolution even though the bass note ends on the fourth scale degree.

The Girl Who Stole the Star is another song I kinda recognize from Chrono Cross! This version sounds vaguely tragic, if it's about a girl stealing a star I feel like it would be to save her dying father using some ancient magic. I have to say, I'm a fan of the soft instruments from this soundtrack so far! Might actually be better than the Cross version.

Delightful Spekkio looks like some kind of goofy joke enemy based on Google Images. I have a hard time seeing this as a character theme, it feels more like a "shopping at the market" kinda song, unless this guy really is comic relief that you later befriend or something. Oh, maybe it plays when he shows you around the town along a scripted path like Come Along from the Pokemon series idk

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio

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PIayer_0
05/11/20 4:45:19 PM
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Oh heck yeah, when I see the phrase "80s remix" my ears just perk up. Very cool retrowave/synthwave vibes, I don't actually know what the original sounds like but I hear parts of To Far Away Times in there. Makes sense that these are the same people who did the Cosmic Star Heroine soundtrack! 2:00 is real good, love me some flashy synth solos.

Huh?! sounds like a random encounter jingle, but apparently it only plays once in-game. This feels a bit more intense than the mild surprise of "Huh?!", maybe it should be called "What?!" or something.

Oh I know World Revolution, it's the final battle against Lavos? Forgot what it actually sounds like, but those church organ chords are very familiar. Don't really feel like it's an exciting battle theme, needs more intense percussion or something! The wobbling bass synth also sounds kinda weird.

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio
Huh?!
World Revolution

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UF8
05/18/20 9:45:33 PM
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radical
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PIayer_0
05/19/20 4:55:28 PM
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Dang, people are still following this? I don't even know why people nommed 5-7 songs...

Days of Summer actually sounds like a Chrono Trigger song! Track 1 on the OST huh...oh yeah I found out that Radical Dreamers is a visual novel that only takes a couple hours to beat. This is sounding like proto-Dream of Shore whatever but apparently that song is also in this game...now it sounds like Gate of Steiner??? Since this sounds like Chrono Trigger, I don't like it as much as the other Radical Dreamers songs.

Schala's Theme is a way better character theme than Frog's Theme! The percussion is really captivating in this song, especially the bell things and pitch-bendy drum. Apparently this girl is the princess of Zeal, so it makes sense that she'd have such a good theme! It sounds vaguely mysterious and tragic, like it's about someone whose kingdom is in danger of being destroyed by some catastrophic event and she needs the heroes' help to try and stop it...I listened this song four times through because I liked it so much, yay for actually discovering a song I really like! Not a fan of the dead section in between loops though.

Haha, Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont is definitely something that I'd expect to exist! The sitar and synth choir are basically unchanged! Obviously, I like the harmony and melody elements just as much as the original, but the instruments in this one are a bit too bright and grating for the song, especially the flute ouch. Needs more reverb or something. The clock ticks are a great addition though, apparently that and the rest of the instruments come from Temporal Spire, which is a great PMD2 song!

Okay another jingle, some kind of religious prayer church organ deal. Somewhat ominous cadence, I guess the gang unlocked a secret entrance in the cathedral or something. The ending chord is nice...Ebm9? Chords are hard...

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Top tier
Schala's Theme
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)
Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
A Prayer for the Wayfarer
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio
Huh?!
World Revolution
Days of Summer

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PIayer_0
05/22/20 11:42:56 PM
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Frozen Flame certainly has a cold sound to it, starting off really strong but doesn't quite develop the way I want it to. Not particularly fond of the more dry section starting at 1:02. It does have that nice air of mystery with the same gentle piano sound as Girl Who Stole the Star. I guess it's like a mix of that and Days of Summer?

Life ~ A Distant Promise is 6:32 uh oh. It seems to be the ending credits so I guess that makes sense, but apparently Radical Dreamers is also the ending theme? This is a great song packed with lots of emotion, perhaps overbearingly so but I don't really mind. The section at 0:54-2:04 is a really strong start, if a bit repetitive...and then basically repeats two more times??? I mean, 2:05-4:15 is definitely different, but I think 4:15-6:32 just repeats it, and they're still both really similar to the beginning. If this song had more variety it would rank comfortably above To Far Away Times, so it's disappointing that it did so little with its length. I'm really curious how much GameBop would hate this song (that was one of the first things that came to mind for some reason). There is a comment saying "Not even Chrono Trigger music is this good" with 16 replies which was funny.

Mystery from the Past isn't so good as far as the jingles go. The high piano notes are kinda grating and it doesn't end on a nice-sounding chord either. Also it's just too cheesy to sound like it's describing an intriguing mystery...feels like it would fit better accompanying some black-and-white prop comedy skit followed by a laugh track.

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Top tier
Schala's Theme
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)
Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
A Prayer for the Wayfarer
Frozen Flame
Life ~ A Distant Promise
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio
Huh?!
World Revolution
Days of Summer
Mystery of the Past

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PIayer_0
05/23/20 3:45:02 PM
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Snakebone Mansion made me question for a second if snakes have bones...though Radical Dreamers songs generally have that subdued sound, this track is especially minimalist. It does a good job of portraying that creepy atmosphere you'd get from an abandoned mansion or dark cave. The drums and shakers are cool.

The Chrono Cross song that is named Radical Dreamers is a way better ending theme than Life ~ A Distant Promise! When 3:20 hit I nearly fell off my chair, really nice and ethereal vocal harmonies there that sound magical over the acoustic guitar backing. vgmdb says this has the same subtitle as Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit but they don't sound like related songs? The sung vocals are a bit old-school anime for me, but I guess it works. YouTube is recommending me a bunch of Nier songs in related videos which makes sense, this song has a lot of the same appeal to me as Emi Evans's work.

A Premonition is track 1 and longer than the other jingles! It must play over the opening titles or something. The piano is quite nice in this one, another mysterious-sounding song that reminds me of PMD2.

Gale sounds like a classic SNES battle theme! It's got some funky mechanical sounds that remind me of Super Mario RPG. Doesn't sound particularly threatening, and the chunky SNES samples certainly don't help its case. I feel like I need more instrument layers to enjoy a battle theme like this without "real" drums.

Well, I was going to finish everything this post but I don't feel like listening to sergio's 18-minute song just yet...

Far Promise ~ Dream Shore 1 is another Radical Dreamers song with that distinctive melody! It's a music box piece like Good Night but with a longer, more interesting progression, which I think is enough to lift it up a tier. Very peaceful and nostalgic.

Huh? is like...a pathetic recreation of Huh?!, go back to Full Tilt Space Cadet 3D Pinball or something where you belong! Huh?! at least made me feel a sense of impending danger, while this one is just some uninteresting beeps. Still gonna put them in the same tier.

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
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Top tier
Schala's Theme
Radical Dreamers
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)
Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont
Far Promise ~ Dream Shore 1
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
A Prayer for the Wayfarer
Frozen Flame
Life ~ A Distant Promise
A Premonition
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio
Huh?!
World Revolution
Days of Summer
Mystery of the Past
Snakebone Mansion
Gale
Huh?

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UF8
05/23/20 9:09:06 PM
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fun fact even though radical dreamers is a text adventure game/vn gale really is a battle theme used in a real (text-based) battle system that it has, used for random encounters which it also has. it's a cool game
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Justin2Krelian
05/23/20 10:33:46 PM
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Can't say I agree about Frog's theme, but oh well (fun fact: the 15 second intro never actually plays in the game)

Robo's Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmY2wf7T428

Yearnings of the Wind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GfUq1c8Rn0

Scars of Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OUhho2s06k
One of my favorite pieces of music in gaming, and anything really

Dreams of the Shore/Another World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5tQIDMAEw
Very good track, but sometimes I find it over prasied imo (people basically say what I just said about Scars of Time)

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sergiocornaga
05/27/20 6:05:53 AM
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PIayer_0 posted...
Well, I was going to finish everything this post but I don't feel like listening to sergio's 18-minute song just yet...
That song is an orchestral medley of songs from Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. If you'd rather put it off until you've ranked most of the included songs (more submissions would be needed) I can let you know when that happens?
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UF8
05/27/20 6:32:27 AM
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PIayer_0
05/27/20 10:25:01 PM
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sergiocornaga posted...
That song is an orchestral medley of songs from Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. If you'd rather put it off until you've ranked most of the included songs (more submissions would be needed) I can let you know when that happens?
No, I just didn't feel like investing the time when I was doing that batch. I was listening to some Fire Emblem today though, so my ears are primed for some orchestral suites!

Wikipedia says I should have recognized way more songs in Fantasy III: Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross...I only got Scars of Time, Chrono Trigger theme, and Frog's Theme. It is a very cool orchestral arrangement though, the beginning sections and 11:05-13:15 were my favourites. I think I just like Scars of Time a lot...most of this song feels too "pure orchestra" whereas I tend to like "orchestral fusion," it's hard to evaluate it from one listen but I'll be generous and put it in Great tier. I think it would grow on me with more listens, but can't say those are likely to happen in the near future.

It feels a little unfair to rate Chrono Cross Medley (IORI OpusXERO) coming off of a live orchestra recording AH JEEZ 1:01 was scary, I guess I got what I asked for in the hard rock sections but they also don't feel like they fit with the rest of the medley oops. I recognize way more songs this time - Shore of Dreams, Dreamwatch, Far Promise, and Radical Dreamers (okay it's only one more song but each of them is a very significant component of the medley). However, where I can see myself loving the Fantasy medley with more listens, the electric guitar sound used in this one just brings it down for me, and I don't really like what it did with Radical Dreamers overall. GOOD TIER.

Oh, umm...Robo's Theme is way too simplistic and cheesy for me, I think Frog barely wins this one as far as playable character themes go. It starts out kinda robot-y with the mechanical noises, but they're completely overpowered by the lead instruments during the main section, so it doesn't really preserve that interesting sound either. Apparently people say this is just Never Gonna Give You Up, though I don't really hear it besides the high strings sounding kinda similar.

Why have I heard Yearnings of the Wind before oh it's another name for Wind Scene which I've definitely heard. The echoey bass in this one is very nice, which means I like the first half way more than the second half, it just faces the common problem of the high strings being too harsh without something in the lower registers to round the sound out. Also I guess it's more like the first quarter and the last three-quarters, so I don't think I can put it higher than just okay even though I'd like to.

Scars of Time is an excellent nomination!!! This is one of those pieces of VGM that I feel like I can show to anyone, even if they've never been exposed to the genre. The looped version is kinda weird so I'm listening to a regular upload. I really love every part of this song - the flute solo over guitar and bass accompaniment in the intro, the big transition into the main section, the strings moving to sustained notes at 1:32, the violin solo in the middle, and the big explosion of sound to finish. It blows my mind that this game came out for the PS1 over 20 years ago and I will forever consider this song a legendary touchstone of video game music. Where Corridors is an all-time favourite which I enjoy for very specific reasons that might not apply to other people, Scars is one that I feel I can celebrate with the vast majority of the VGM community.

I think Dreams of the Shore/Another World was one of the first songs I heard from these games along with To Far Away Times, for some reason I always remembered it being a cello solo when clearly it is not. This song has a really nice aesthetic with dreamlike synths and warm bass, plus I love solo instruments but it's way too short!!! 1:00 is like the perfect moment to continue developing the melody or have a B section with a different instrument, but instead the song just kinda rolls over and dies by looping again. Still comfortably places in Great tier!

Transcendent tier
Corridors of Time
Scars of Time
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Top tier
Schala's Theme
Radical Dreamers
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Great tier
Ending ~ Le Tresor Interdit
Dreamwatch of Time
Opening Theme (80s remix from '25 Games' album)
Corridors of Time (Zeal's Theme) -x- PMD2 Soundfont
Far Promise ~ Dream Shore 1
Fantasy III: Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross
Dreams of the Shore/Another World
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Good tier
To Far Away Times
Chronopolis
Good Night
The Girl Who Stole the Star
A Prayer for the Wayfarer
Frozen Flame
Life ~ A Distant Promise
A Premonition
Chrono Cross Medley (IORI OpusXERO)
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Okay tier
Undersea Palace
Frog's Theme
Secret of the Forest
Delightful Spekkio
Huh?!
World Revolution
Days of Summer
Mystery of the Past
Snakebone Mansion
Gale
Huh?
Robo's Theme
Yearnings of the Wind

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PIayer_0
05/27/20 10:58:33 PM
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So, after 33 songs ranked I think I'm gonna leave the topic here, just in time for its one-month anniversary! I was never really planning to rank *everything* with VGMC voting happening daily - CT has 64 songs, CC has 67, and RD has 15, if you didn't realize! I got to talk about my two favourite songs from the series (that I know of) and found two new songs I liked a lot, so that's enough for me to be satisfied for now. Might do a more official ranking topic after VGMC is over...my priority for checking out the OSTs is probably CC > CT > RD based on what I've heard.

Umm I guess I can declare azuarc the unofficial winner(tm) of the ranking, since he submitted the two big discoveries I really liked and hadn't heard before. Don't have any $1000 gift cards lying around to award as a prize unfortunately...

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sergiocornaga
05/28/20 4:14:12 AM
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PIayer_0 posted...
So, after 33 songs ranked I think I'm gonna leave the topic here, just in time for its one-month anniversary!

Aww, are you sure you don't want me to submit 20 more peripherally Chrono Trigger related songs?
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UF8
05/28/20 6:28:55 AM
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not a single song from any of the subsequent ct ports was nominated rip
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PIayer_0
05/28/20 12:18:20 PM
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I knew I should have stopped it before the definition of chrono trigger and i guess cross songs and radical dreamers maybe got out of hand

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sergiocornaga
05/28/20 3:57:04 PM
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PIayer_0 posted...
I knew I should have stopped it before the definition of chrono trigger and i guess cross songs and radical dreamers maybe got out of hand

Fine, well, have fun not listening to 4 hours of music from abandoned Chrono fangames, I guess?

Seriously, this has been a fun topic. Thanks for playing along!
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