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jstewart01
04/01/20 3:37:21 AM
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So what? There are wet markets all over the world anyways.
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Ricemills
04/01/20 3:42:31 AM
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because other wet markets didn't sell dog and bat meats.

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Darkrobotisback
04/01/20 3:42:43 AM
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Because, they usually beat the animals to death before selling them to the consumer (slamming them against the cage, hacking them with a machete, trying to snap their neck by grabbing their necks and yanking them against the cage). Blood from slaughtered animals remains in the pen as well does their feces, other animals make contact with it and they eventually develop some kinda disease. People EAT the infected animals, and now the people themselves become new host for the disease.

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Dark_SilverX
04/01/20 3:43:05 AM
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They will continue to throw dogs into boiling water.

Lord & Savior Trump...please protect AND save China and the poor doggos.

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Rika_Furude
04/01/20 4:01:10 AM
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jstewart01 posted...
So what? There are wet markets all over the world anyways.
They should be closed everywhere not just china
Chinas are generally worse though from what i hear. They have no health or safety standards whatsoever

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Kolibri X
04/01/20 4:01:58 AM
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Um gee, I have no idea.

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Strider102
04/01/20 4:06:57 AM
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Do you want COVID-20? Look what COVID-19 has done.

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CM_Ponch
04/01/20 4:08:54 AM
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Covid-19.1 patch notes coming this summer

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thebatz
04/01/20 4:09:38 AM
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still can't believe all this started because a zubat used sludgebomb on a sandshrew which used poison powder on us...

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Alteres
04/01/20 4:13:17 AM
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Strider102 posted...
Do you want COVID-20? That's how you get COVID-20..
fify

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BigB0ss13
04/02/20 1:30:34 AM
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Ricemills posted...
because other wet markets didn't sell dog and bat meats.


Switzerland does and cat meat too
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bknight
04/02/20 1:33:47 AM
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Same reason why we never burnt down all our slaughterhouses after mad cow diseases, people like them steaks.
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Bio1590
04/02/20 1:36:22 AM
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Because China not doing a single thing about them just means we're going to end up with SARS-CoV-3, SARS-CoV-4, etc much quicker than we would "naturally", if it would ever happen at all.

E: And obviously the more of these that develop the significantly higher chance you get of one developing that can kill tens of millions of people even with intervention.
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Pseudomenon
04/02/20 1:41:26 AM
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Here comes the Sinophobia and concern trolling about animal welfare and zoonotic diseases when damn near every supplier of the majority of the meat this planet eats is teeming with the same conditions waiting to explode.

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Trigg3rH4ppy
04/02/20 1:58:02 AM
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BigB0ss13 posted...
Switzerland does and cat meat too
Whaaaaaaaat?

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ToadallyAwesome
04/02/20 2:33:18 AM
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Pseudomenon posted...
Here comes the Sinophobia and concern trolling about animal welfare and zoonotic diseases when damn near every supplier of the majority of the meat this planet eats is teeming with the same conditions waiting to explode.

Yeah....

You really dont get how this works if you think the meat at your supermarket is the same as these wet markets.

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BigB0ss13
04/02/20 2:45:48 AM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Whaaaaaaaat?


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evil_zombie11
04/02/20 2:52:30 AM
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Smh China is trash

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Ridleyette
04/02/20 3:27:40 AM
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Pseudomenon posted...
Here comes the Sinophobia and concern trolling about animal welfare and zoonotic diseases when damn near every supplier of the majority of the meat this planet eats is teeming with the same conditions waiting to explode.

Shut up, shill. Your kind is worst than the Russian troll task force.
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pistachio12
04/02/20 11:28:26 AM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
Yeah....

You really dont get how this works if you think the meat at your supermarket is the same as these wet markets.

Except most (wild guess at say 90-95%) of wet markets in China don't sell exotic animals. They sell fresh vegetables, fruit, seafood and meat. The craziest thing you'll see meat-wise at most of those wet markets are things like pigeons.

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Things like Food, Inc. don't exist.
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BlackHorse6969
04/02/20 11:31:38 AM
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Pseudomenon
04/02/20 12:53:25 PM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
Yeah....

You really dont get how this works if you think the meat at your supermarket is the same as these wet markets.

A majority of the world's meat comes from crowded, unsanitary factory farms that concentrate anywhere from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of animals in close proximity to each other and regularly require contact with humans. The quick growing breeds and lack of genetic diversity along with shitty living conditions all encourage viruses and give them opportunity for human transmission.

Regulation can impede this to an extent but it is far from a guarantee. As farms get larger to accommodate demand and conditions get worse due to lack/erosion of regulations, it will become harder and harder to stay ahead of it.

Ridleyette posted...
Shut up, shill. Your kind is worst than the Russian troll task force.

I would like to shut up but your colorful post has left me with questions that I absolutely must ask.

Who do you think I'm shilling for?

Who is my kind?

Did you mean to type "worse" instead of "worst" or do you genuinely not know the difference?

Did you buy or steal that account?

Or are you just some sadsack who stockpiled accounts because they burn through so many posting stupid shit on a video game website?

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Can you elaborate?

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Ishallmakeit
04/02/20 12:54:50 PM
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Pseudomenon posted...
Here comes the Sinophobia and concern trolling about animal welfare and zoonotic diseases when damn near every supplier of the majority of the meat this planet eats is teeming with the same conditions waiting to explode.

U MUST GET THIS COVID AND LIKE IT OR ELSE UR SINOPHOBIC!!!!! /s
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Pseudomenon
04/02/20 1:06:57 PM
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Ishallmakeit posted...
U MUST GET THIS COVID AND LIKE IT OR ELSE UR SINOPHOBIC!!!!! /s

Don't play stupid. I'm not defending China, only speaking out against the ignorant and naive view that China - both the CCP and the citizens - is some exceptionally devious, dangerous, and cruel entity because they're not. I don't want people to like China or excuse any malfeasance. I simply want people - no matter who or where they are - to look at themselves with the same scrutiny. I want them to abandon these ideas (typically fueled by decades of propaganda) that Chinese are so "other" than us that hysterical outrage doesn't keep us from seeing our own dangerous flaws.


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Bio1590
04/02/20 1:17:14 PM
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Pseudomenon posted...
only speaking out against the ignorant and naive view that China - both the CCP and the citizens - is some exceptionally devious, dangerous, and cruel entity because they're not.

Except they literally are. The continued existence of these places is a threat to the entire world. The CCP doesn't care because they still have the world by the balls and citizens that continue to support these places obviously don't either.

Did we also forget the CCP has million of Muslims interred in concentration camps? Obviously unrelated to these markets but to pretend the CCP isn't basically a villain is laughable.

Factory farms are just a deflection. The world can work on those as well but wanting this bullshit to end doesn't mean we have to stop the other.
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ModLogic
04/02/20 1:31:02 PM
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Pseudomenon
04/02/20 1:41:15 PM
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Gladius_ posted...
You admitted that there is regulation in the farms and factories in which our meat is produced. While it isn't perfect, and isn't the most healthy at the very least there is regulation, they are bred in capitivity, and many of animals are screened. China's meat markets are notorious for their lack of regulation, wild caught animals, and in many cases taken straight off the street.

There was regulation at the pig farm that gave the world H1N1. Those pigs were screened but the virus was somehow still around for up to a decade before it jumped to humans. Any time you concentrate animals together like that, even with regulations, you're taking a huge gamble that something like this is going to happen. It's not acceptable in wet-markets in China and it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere. The risks far outweigh the benefits.

The wuhan market is also notorious for its selling of wild, exotic, and endangered animals while serving dishes and food that have no sanitation process in the slightest. It isn't racist to claim that their meat markets are a breeding ground for dangerous bacteria caused by their lack of hygiene and sanitation further exacerbated by their selling of wild, street caught animals, and lack of regulation. Further this isn't the first time prolific and highly infectious diseases has come from that region. This isn't the fault of chinese people but entirely on the government that cares little for its people or their well being.
I didn't say it was racist. I said it's Sinophobic. Those markets exist everywhere and come with the same risks. I've been to those places in the United States. I went to one here in Texas in 2017.

These pandemics are caused by viruses, not bacteria, and the problem here is concentration of animals and proximity to humans because they're spread by respiratory functions like breathing, coughing, and sneezing. It's not a food-borne illness like salmonella or e. coli so hygiene in that regard wouldn't make a difference.

Prolific and highly infectious diseases have come from various regions and will again. It's foolish to singularly focus on hating China. That isn't a plea to leave China alone; it's a call to action everywhere else this risk arises.

Gladius_ posted... I get what you're doing but in some ways you shouldn't mistake criticism of wet markets as criticism and hatred of the chinese people. One can genuinely wish their government take a more active appeoach for safety and health standards of it's people without blaming the people themselves. Not to mention "what about OUR factories" is literally an example of whataboutism.

I'm not making that mistake. It's not that criticism of wet markets is criticism/hatred of Chinese people. It's that a prolonged and deliberate campaign to portray Chinese people as "other" has made it all too easy to focus on them and their actions as something so bizarre that it creates a huge blind spot to other peoples' own failings.

It's pretty specious to say "it's a criticism of the government, not the people!" with regards to wet-markets when it's the people who patronize and keep the wet-markets in business, especially because a huge portion of the criticism is how the people interact in them.

It's not whataboutism because I don't want you to ignore what is happening in Chinese wet-markets. I want you to recognize that animal agriculture in its entirety, no matter who is practicing it or where, comes with the ability to do this and it should not be overlooked, period.

Bio1590 posted...
Except they literally are. The continued existence of these places is a threat to the entire world. The CCP doesn't care because they still have the world by the balls and citizens that continue to support these places obviously don't either.

Did we also forget the CCP has million of Muslims interred in concentration camps? Obviously unrelated to these markets but to pretend the CCP isn't basically a villain is laughable.

Factory farms are just a deflection. The world can work on those as well but wanting this bullshit to end doesn't mean we have to stop the other.

You make the mistake of thinking I'm defending China or that I want you to overlook these things. I am not. I do not. I simply want you to hold every country to the same standard of criticism and outrage that China evokes because every major country is doing some heinous shit this very moment that warrants it. It's far too easy and utterly fruitless to bitch about China on the internet knowing that hitting post/send to an echo chamber is the height of your effort.

And no, factory farms are not a deflection. Concentrating animals and the dangers that poses to humanity is the entire point of this argument.

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Sackgurl
04/02/20 1:42:26 PM
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Pseudomenon posted...
I didn't say it was racist. I said it's Sinophobic. Those markets exist everywhere and come with the same risks. I've been to those places in the United States. I went to one here in Texas in 2017.

breeding wild animals is illegal in most of the united states

https://www.bornfreeusa.org/campaigns/animals-in-captivity/summary-state-laws-exotic-animals/

the risks aren't "the same"

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pistachio12
04/02/20 9:12:21 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
breeding wild animals is illegal in most of the united states

https://www.bornfreeusa.org/campaigns/animals-in-captivity/summary-state-laws-exotic-animals/

the risks aren't "the same"

As has China: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bans-wildlife-trade-consumption-coronavirus-2020-2

Again this is a reminder that wet markets /= wildlife markets. The majority of wet markets are for the sale of fresh meat and vegetables.

https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2020-03-11/coronavirus-china-wet-markets

There is also an irony to your statement considering the seemingly most popular show right now is Tiger King which is about a guy who literally had 227 big cats at one point and had been breeding and selling them illegally for almost two decades.

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Do you have data about how many markets like this exist in China?
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Questionmarktarius
04/02/20 9:29:39 PM
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This is why we need to stop being so paranoid about food irradiation.


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masticatingman
04/02/20 9:31:48 PM
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Without even reading through the comments, I'm sure there are a couple folks on here somehow defending this.

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MARKINGRAM22
04/02/20 9:33:34 PM
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China also prepares food insanely inhumanely.
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Sackgurl
04/03/20 9:24:37 AM
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pistachio12 posted...
As has China: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bans-wildlife-trade-consumption-coronavirus-2020-2

Again this is a reminder that wet markets /= wildlife markets. The majority of wet markets are for the sale of fresh meat and vegetables.

from this link

The novel coronavirus, which has killed at least 2,700 people, is thought to have been transmitted to humans by pigs, civets, or pangolins at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China.

civets and pangolins are wildlife, and breeding them was not illegal when this broke out

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pistachio12
04/03/20 2:35:26 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
from this link

civets and pangolins are wildlife, and breeding them was not illegal when this broke out

Sure, and who is to say the Chinese government will really enforce this new law. But mainland Chinese citizens are really pissed about this and urged the government to change this so it possible that it will stick.

We also don't now where the virus originated from biologically, so we can't be sure to blame civets and pangolins. As of now, it's all guesswork.
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averagejoel
04/03/20 2:41:34 PM
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Pseudomenon posted...

I gotta say, each post of yours in this topic feels like a breath of fresh air

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Bio1590
04/03/20 3:05:18 PM
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pistachio12 posted...
We also don't now where the virus originated from biologically, so we can't be sure to blame civets and pangolins. As of now, it's all guesswork.

Civets are scientifically accepted as the intermediary for the original SARS pandemic.

This one will take some time to ultimately determine, but at the end of the day everyone already knows where it came from, so at this time stopping that is more important than finding out the what because if the where isn't stopped this is just going to happen again, and as a species we absolutely cannot risk Round 3 being worse than Round 2 is right now.
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Ishallmakeit
04/03/20 3:27:07 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Civets are scientifically accepted as the intermediary for the original SARS pandemic.

This one will take some time to ultimately determine, but at the end of the day everyone already knows where it came from, so at this time stopping that is more important than finding out the what because if the where isn't stopped this is just going to happen again, and as a species we absolutely cannot risk Round 3 being worse than Round 2 is right now.

so what do we do, exterminate civets? (serious question)
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COVxy
04/03/20 3:30:33 PM
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Because Chinese people eat a bunch of weird shit, and this originated there, therefore it's probably that weird shit they ate.

Or something equally racist.

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Sackgurl
04/03/20 5:11:22 PM
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Ishallmakeit posted...
so what do we do, exterminate civets? (serious question)

stop breeding them for human consumption

there is plenty of western responsibility here--a lot of the wild animal meat trade goes to western markets for people going to famous places like burrough market for their taste of crocodile

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toyota
04/03/20 7:00:04 PM
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What the fuck sort of question is this

TC you need to be ashamed of yourself
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CADE FOSTER
04/03/20 7:02:44 PM
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Sanction China until they fix that shit
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Bio1590
04/03/20 7:09:50 PM
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COVxy posted...
Because Chinese people eat a bunch of weird shit, and this originated there, therefore it's probably that weird shit they ate.

Or something equally racist.

I mean you understand how these are ultimately transmitted from bats to humans, right? We'd have had a lot more instances of these outbreaks/pandemics if the way these things operate weren't a huge part of it.
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COVxy
04/03/20 7:10:58 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I mean you understand how these are ultimately transmitted from bats to humans, right? We'd have had a lot more instances of these outbreaks/pandemics if the way these things operate weren't a huge part of it.

You have no idea how covid19 originated.

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CADE FOSTER
04/03/20 7:18:27 PM
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COVxy posted...


You have no idea how covid19 originated.

a biological lab in wuhan
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Bio1590
04/03/20 10:41:14 PM
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COVxy posted...


You have no idea how covid19 originated.

Unless you're going full-on conspiracy theorist here then yes, at the most basic level it is absolutely known where it came from.
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