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red13n
03/31/20 11:26:43 PM
#252:


Harris gets hate for being a prosecutor and not exercising power that she didn't actually have.

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Grimlyn
03/31/20 11:31:25 PM
#253:


Harris is also pretty flipfloppy and tries to go to appease whatever's popular..... but that's not really a bad thing next to the field we ended up with of right-wing ideologues like Biden/Klobb/Bloomberg, or Buttigieg's more venomous opportunism

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TheRock1525
03/31/20 11:35:10 PM
#254:


Harris was a terrible prosecutor and while that is a huge mark against her, everything else she does has been pretty good.

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ChaosTonyV4
03/31/20 11:41:30 PM
#255:


TheRock1525 posted...
Harris was a terrible prosecutor and while that is a huge mark against her, everything else she does has been pretty good.

This is pretty accurate.

But I would add that it's very confusing her "thing" in the first couple debates was talking about how uncomfortable she was with Joe's history on race, and then he ended up winning the black vote AND she endorsed him.

Truly bizarre.

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TheRock1525
03/31/20 11:49:35 PM
#256:


Probably because putting a ton of black people in jail vs. being the first black president's VP is an easy choice.

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Free-Speech
03/31/20 11:56:37 PM
#257:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
But I would add that it's very confusing her "thing" in the first couple debates was talking about how uncomfortable she was with Joe's history on race, and then he ended up winning the black vote AND she endorsed him.

Truly bizarre.
She married a rich white dude and lied about smoking weed to biggie and pac before they even released an album. The AA community is very perceptive especially when it comes to this stuff.

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Free-Speech
04/01/20 12:02:02 AM
#258:


Also for the record, you know the coronavirus death toll is going to be low now that Trump is setting expectations of 100,000. The man is a genius marketer. He absolutely has inside knowledge that the number will most likely be half that or less, so he can triumphantly declare incredible success come August.

You know that is a plausible theory folks.

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LordoftheMorons
04/01/20 12:04:00 AM
#259:


The same inside knowledge that led him to declare it was at 15 and soon itll be down to 0 I presume

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:14:52 AM
#260:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The same inside knowledge that led him to declare it was at 15 and soon itll be down to 0 I presume

It will be down at 0 soon. Just not that soon.

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red13n
04/01/20 12:32:13 AM
#261:


it is actually very possible the number will never be 0.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/01/20 12:38:06 AM
#262:


Wait...are there people who are thinking this is going to stop once this run of it is over and that's its not going to come back?

We REALLY have people that think that?
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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:44:26 AM
#263:


If we ban all testing then I assure you, the number will be 0.

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:50:38 AM
#264:


Free-Speech posted...
Also for the record, you know the coronavirus death toll is going to be low now that Trump is setting expectations of 100,000. The man is a genius marketer. He absolutely has inside knowledge that the number will most likely be half that or less, so he can triumphantly declare incredible success come August.

You know that is a plausible theory folks.

I agree with that. Trump is all about managing expectations. If we end under 100k he'll declare massive victory.

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red13n
04/01/20 12:51:24 AM
#265:


we wont.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/01/20 4:14:40 AM
#266:




https://twitter.com/realstevecox/status/1245194648902963200?s=21

My new favorite hobby is watching Trapt get publicly owned while they cry about Socialism


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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 8:31:52 AM
#267:


https://twitter.com/GDRPickering/status/1244948692064522241

imagine being this guy

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 10:01:45 AM
#268:


https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown

The Mises Institute continues to be literally the only organization that can be trusted to maintain ideological consistency, no matter what. They really are the best.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/01/20 10:07:24 AM
#269:


Lol Mises
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LordoftheMorons
04/01/20 10:09:58 AM
#270:


Consistent about being total fucking jokes

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Jakyl25
04/01/20 10:14:57 AM
#271:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown

The Mises Institute continues to be literally the only organization that can be trusted to maintain ideological consistency, no matter what. They really are the best.


That article alone is ideologically all over the place

It cant decide whether it wants to argue against the shutdown on legal, emotional, or rational terms. Its throwing everything against the wall in some mishmash of disjointed buzzwords hoping something sticks
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UshiromiyaEva
04/01/20 10:22:42 AM
#272:


I mean the Mises entire raison d'etre is based around using a thesaurus to sound as dumb as possible.
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HarshRapDebater
04/01/20 10:25:04 AM
#273:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown

The Mises Institute continues to be literally the only organization that can be trusted to maintain ideological consistency, no matter what. They really are the best.

*pretends to be a libertarian organization*
*literally uses the constitution as the basis of an argument in the second paragraph*

so ideologically consistent!

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Inviso
04/01/20 10:31:51 AM
#274:


One good thing I'll say about the quarantine is that it's nice to see obnoxious, privileged "conservative" white dudes actually having to experience hardship for the first time in their lives, and complaining about how it's unfair that the actions of society negatively impact them for once.

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SavageInTheBox
04/01/20 10:32:41 AM
#275:


Inviso posted...
One good thing I'll say about the quarantine is that it's nice to see obnoxious, privileged "conservative" white dudes actually having to experience hardship for the first time in their lives, and complaining about how it's unfair that the actions of society negatively impact them for once.

Jesus christ

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 10:39:30 AM
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Corrik7
04/01/20 11:54:48 AM
#277:


Inviso posted...
One good thing I'll say about the quarantine is that it's nice to see obnoxious, privileged "conservative" white dudes actually having to experience hardship for the first time in their lives, and complaining about how it's unfair that the actions of society negatively impact them for once.
This is literally disgusting and you should feel ashamed for posting it.

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Peace___Frog
04/01/20 12:00:16 PM
#278:


Mmm fake "centrist" outrage is my favorite thing for lunch

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HarshRapDebater
04/01/20 12:17:09 PM
#279:


man i wish corrik was this outraged about sephy saying everyone in this topic is autistic for the 6000th time

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Corrik7
04/01/20 12:23:05 PM
#280:


HarshRapDebater posted...
man i wish corrik was this outraged about sephy saying everyone in this topic is autistic for the 6000th time
I told him to stop it. Do you even try with your shitposting?

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 12:24:13 PM
#281:


https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786

look at this horrifically racist conspiracy theory!

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Corrik7
04/01/20 12:26:23 PM
#282:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786

look at this horrifically racist conspiracy theory!
I think everyone knew that. The main point of that intel report (and again why is intel being leaked), is that China supposedly did it intentionally.

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Jakyl25
04/01/20 12:26:43 PM
#283:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/business/status/1245370023952203786

look at this horrifically racist conspiracy theory!


You trust the US intelligence community now?
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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 12:30:01 PM
#284:


China supposedly did it intentionally.

I think everyone knew that.

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 12:30:24 PM
#285:


You trust the US intelligence community now?

When they state the overwhelmingly obvious? Yes.

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:33:49 PM
#286:


I think that was pretty obvious for a while now. There is some possibility that the numbers coming out of Hubei are relatively accurate and show the efficiency of China in imposing extreme quarantining and deploying resources to build hospitals but the numbers for the rest of China are impossibly low. I think an easy way to do it would be to simply diagnose coronavirus cases as flu, which is the same thing China has accused the US of doing. So it would make sense that that's what they would come up with as an accusation, if they're doing it themselves.

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 12:38:33 PM
#287:


https://www.whsv.com/content/news/569258141.html

From a federalism standpoint, it's super weird to me that we've aligned on some sort of system wherein it's considered perfectly legitimate and acceptable for states to impose draconian lockdown measures on their own citizens, but the second they talk about hypothetically imposing lockdowns on citizens coming in from other states, we're told that this is a completely immoral and unacceptable violation of basic freedoms and decency.

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:40:54 PM
#288:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/569258141.html

From a federalism standpoint, it's super weird to me that we've aligned on some sort of system wherein it's considered perfectly legitimate and acceptable for states to impose draconian lockdown measures on their own citizens, but the second they talk about hypothetically imposing lockdowns on citizens coming in from other states, we're told that this is a completely immoral and unacceptable violation of basic freedoms and decency.

That is exactly what federalism is all about. Each state is a sovereign. They have entered into a compact with each other called the Constitution of the United States under which they are not allowed to block travel from other parties to the compact. It's like the Schengen Treaty in Europe.

For instance, the US and North Korea could hypothetically enter into a similar treaty providing for free movement of people. NK could keep their dictatorship on their lands, they would just be obligated to allow American tourists in.

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SmartMuffin
04/01/20 12:42:19 PM
#289:


It's like the Schengen Treaty in Europe.

Didn't they suspend that two weeks ago?

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:43:32 PM
#290:


SmartMuffin posted...
Didn't they suspend that two weeks ago?

The US Constitution is something like 200 years older and is definitely more deeply ingrained in the hearts of the people.

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Kinglicious
04/01/20 12:47:00 PM
#291:


At this point i think the 3 metrics people have tried to use are number of urns, cremations, and cell phones. The first two are directly connected and match up quite well with what i talked about previously in these topics. Remember when i was pointing out how funeral homes were going 100+ bodies a day, running 24/7, etc? Turns out intelligence agencies agreed! Hooray. Who could have seen explicitly statements by doctors and funeral homes as valid.

It matches up well with the Epoch times leak of last month too: daily misreporting instances as low as 1.6x and and as high as 52x (though examples shown were around 2.4 to upper 30s in explicit cases). US intelligence is probably running the same info as the UK, which was recently leaked: they believe China lied about deaths by a factor 15-40x. This is entirely consistent with previous info as a low ball figure and likely a refined version of the data epoch times got. I look forward to them all being called conspiracy theorists in here.

Cell phones, the third metric, goes drastically higher but I can't believe that one. It's just too much, it puts deaths in the millions as opposed to six figures. However the crematories probably don't have all the bodies either so... There's definitely more info in that.

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red sox 777
04/01/20 12:50:01 PM
#292:


I mean if 1% of China dies per year from old age, car accidents, strokes, heart attacks, lung cancer, etc. that's like 14 million people. So the cell phone thing is probably dramatically overreporting things. Not to mention people who lost their income from the social distancing and can't pay their phone bill.

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Kinglicious
04/01/20 12:55:38 PM
#293:


Phone bill? It's China, your cell phone is directly tied to your social credit.

It's how they stalk and limit you.
Edit:
And car accidents? The air literally cleared up because nobody drove. We can use our numbers as an example too, that tanked.


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red sox 777
04/01/20 1:03:19 PM
#294:


Kinglicious posted...
Phone bill? It's China, your cell phone is directly tied to your social credit.

It's how they stalk and limit you.
Edit:
And car accidents? The air literally cleared up because nobody drove. We can use our numbers as an example too, that tanked.

I'm just listing major causes of death. People are not going to stop dying just because of social distancing. And if it's a choice between putting food on the table of having a phone a lot of people are going to go with putting food on the table.

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HarshRapDebater
04/01/20 1:05:18 PM
#295:


Corrik7 posted...
I told him to stop it.

no you didn't


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Wanglicious
04/01/20 1:15:01 PM
#296:


red sox 777 posted...
I'm just listing major causes of death. People are not going to stop dying just because of social distancing. And if it's a choice between putting food on the table of having a phone a lot of people are going to go with putting food on the table.

you don't understand.
food on the table and a phone isn't a choice in china: you will have a phone, regardless of whether or not you have food.

phones aren't what they are over here. want to travel? show me your phone says you're green. you want to ride the train? even before corona, some cities required your phone to do so. certain apps are mandatory and of course all the data is directly tied to government. your movement, your data, all of it, is directly controlled by government with a phone. this isn't a particular choice, it's a necessary function.

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red sox 777
04/01/20 1:24:01 PM
#297:


Wanglicious posted...
you don't understand.
food on the table and a phone isn't a choice in china: you will have a phone, regardless of whether or not you have food.

phones aren't what they are over here. want to travel? show me your phone says you're green. you want to ride the train? even before corona, some cities required your phone to do so. certain apps are mandatory and of course all the data is directly tied to government. your movement, your data, all of it, is directly controlled by government with a phone. this isn't a particular choice, it's a necessary function.

This was completely not the case last time I was there. I get that they've added a lot of this stuff recently, but I seriously doubt they have anything close to 100% coverage with it. There are like 1.4 billion people and half of them are peasant farmers.

And unless the government is handing out phones and coverage to people, if there's no money to pay the bill there's no money to pay the bill. And yes, you'll spend the last of your money on food rather than a phone. Because living is more important.

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Corrik7
04/01/20 1:53:16 PM
#298:


HarshRapDebater posted...
no you didn't
Yes, I did. Pretty sure I told him to delete his post, that he was gonna get banned for it, and not to be that dumb. But, who knows, my memory is whatever. Maybe I actually gave him high fives and asked for pics of his feet afterwards instead. *Shrug*

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Suprak the Stud
04/01/20 1:56:21 PM
#299:


Why not both?

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Corrik7
04/01/20 1:57:49 PM
#300:


Kinglicious posted...
At this point i think the 3 metrics people have tried to use are number of urns, cremations, and cell phones. The first two are directly connected and match up quite well with what i talked about previously in these topics. Remember when i was pointing out how funeral homes were going 100+ bodies a day, running 24/7, etc? Turns out intelligence agencies agreed! Hooray. Who could have seen explicitly statements by doctors and funeral homes as valid.

It matches up well with the Epoch times leak of last month too: daily misreporting instances as low as 1.6x and and as high as 52x (though examples shown were around 2.4 to upper 30s in explicit cases). US intelligence is probably running the same info as the UK, which was recently leaked: they believe China lied about deaths by a factor 15-40x. This is entirely consistent with previous info as a low ball figure and likely a refined version of the data epoch times got. I look forward to them all being called conspiracy theorists in here.

Cell phones, the third metric, goes drastically higher but I can't believe that one. It's just too much, it puts deaths in the millions as opposed to six figures. However the crematories probably don't have all the bodies either so... There's definitely more info in that.
Remember the theory that gases were being seen from space that were an outside the boundary burn site for possibly human remains. Wonder if they overloaded the crematoriums so much they resorted to that. Who knows with China.

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Corrik7
04/01/20 2:00:55 PM
#301:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Why not both?
I was actually wondering where these feet pics on my phone came from... Hmmmm....

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