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645AR
03/29/20 10:41:14 AM
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lilORANG
03/29/20 10:42:53 AM
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Hayame Zero
03/29/20 10:44:40 AM
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It's more akin to a Lucasarts/Sierra-style adventure game as a platformer to me.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/29/20 10:46:32 AM
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Its an edutainment puzzle game.

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Noraneko_Vel
03/29/20 10:47:38 AM
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It has no similarities to the metroidvania genre.

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MrResetti
03/29/20 10:49:25 AM
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chairforceone
03/29/20 10:49:53 AM
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Nah, even though its got some non-linear sections you dont get any new abilities to open those areas up, and every new move you get is only for the context sensitive B pads.
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645AR
03/29/20 11:31:41 AM
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Noraneko_Vel posted...
It has no similarities to the metroidvania genre.


One giant world
Areas are inaccessible until you gain skills
Multiple bosses blocking progression
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Noraneko_Vel
03/29/20 11:41:44 AM
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Overall large focus on exploration? No.
World is full of meaningful collectibles and secrets, rewarding exploration? No.
Free world to explore and backtrack through, a detailed map? No.
Similarities to Metroid or modern Castlevania? No.

645AR posted...
Areas are inaccessible until you gain skills

Wasn't it items/keys/cash in Conker's case?

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645AR
03/29/20 11:55:11 AM
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Overall large focus on exploration? No.


Yes?

World is full of meaningful collectibles and secrets, rewarding exploration? No.


Yes?

Free world to explore and backtrack through, a detailed map? No.


No map, but yes?

Similarities to Metroid or modern Castlevania? No.


I listed some, so yes?

Did you even play the game?
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 11:56:27 AM
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645AR posted...


One giant world
Areas are inaccessible until you gain skills
Multiple bosses blocking progression


Does this mean pretty much every 3D platformer is a Metroidvania?
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645AR
03/29/20 12:10:22 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...


Does this mean pretty much every 3D platformer is a Metroidvania?


Name every 3D platformer that has what I said.
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645AR
03/29/20 12:15:16 PM
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dolomedes posted...
metroidvanias are 2d, that's why it's a genre i like


Doom Eternal isn't 2D
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 7:32:08 PM
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645AR posted...


Name every 3D platformer that has what I said.


Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Donkey Kong 64
Jak & Daxter
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645AR
03/29/20 8:52:12 PM
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Banjo Kazooie isnt one world and isnt guarded by bosses
Banjo Tooie isnt one world
DK64 isnt one world
Jak & Daxter isnt one world
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 8:54:34 PM
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How is Conker any more one world? It has the exact same set up of doors leading to new, separate areas.
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 8:55:02 PM
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Jak & Daxter is one world, you clearly havent played it.
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645AR
03/29/20 9:02:24 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
How is Conker any more one world? It has the exact same set up of doors leading to new, separate areas.


How is Castlevania SOTN any more one world? It has the exact same set up of doors leading to new, seperate areas.
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 9:14:05 PM
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645AR posted...


How is Castlevania SOTN any more one world? It has the exact same set up of doors leading to new, seperate areas.


So Castlevania is not a Metroidvania? I can tell that youre just trolling here but its fun painting you into a corner.
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645AR
03/29/20 9:24:12 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...


So Castlevania is not a Metroidvania? I can tell that youre just trolling here but its fun painting you into a corner.


According to you it's not. I'm just repeating your logic back to you
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dave_is_slick
03/29/20 9:26:35 PM
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645AR posted...
Yes?

Yes?

No map, but yes?

I listed some, so yes?

Did you even play the game?
...Did you even play it?

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645AR
03/29/20 9:37:32 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...

...Did you even play it?


Yes, many times.

I don't think you did because it has the things you claim it doesn't.
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Irony
03/29/20 9:38:11 PM
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No

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dave_is_slick
03/29/20 9:38:25 PM
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645AR posted...
Yes, many times.

I don't think you did because it has the things you claim it doesn't.
Like...?

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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 9:56:00 PM
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645AR posted...
According to you it's not. I'm just repeating your logic back to you


You originally defined Metroidvanias as having one world.

I said that means those games are. You said theyre not because they dont have one world where Conker does. I said Conker has the same set-up as those games, and you called that a Metroidvania.

Your rebuttal, please?
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645AR
03/29/20 10:08:29 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...

Like...?


Literally everything I mentioned in my first response to you.
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645AR
03/29/20 10:10:22 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...


You originally defined Metroidvanias as having one world.

I said that means those games are. You said theyre not because they dont have one world where Conker does. I said Conker has the same set-up as those games, and you called that a Metroidvania.

Your rebuttal, please?


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, try being less verbose.

You made the claim that it wasn't a Metroidvania because of your stupid "areas are blocked and completely seperate" argument. I pointed out you were full of shit because you can apply that shitty logic to SOTN and Super Metroid, actually literally every Metroidvania
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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 10:12:07 PM
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You said Conker is one.
I said these games which are like Conker also are then.

You have yet to refute this point.
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645AR
03/29/20 10:16:21 PM
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645AR posted...
Banjo Kazooie isnt one world and isnt guarded by bosses
Banjo Tooie isnt one world
DK64 isnt one world
Jak & Daxter isnt one world

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EffectAndCause
03/29/20 10:35:55 PM
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And here we go again.

Conker has the same design as those games.

You say Conker is a Metroidvania.

Therefore so are those games.
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645AR
03/29/20 11:32:27 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
And here we go again.

Conker has the same design as those games.

You say Conker is a Metroidvania.

Therefore so are those games.


No they are not. They are not one world. Banjo Kazooie does not feature bosses that block you from progressing. Tooie technically does but it's the same boss each time.
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EffectAndCause
03/30/20 12:44:22 AM
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Conker is not one world any more than Banjo-Tooie, less actually because its way more linear with separate, disconnected areas the story takes you to in cutscenes.

And who cares if its the same boss LOL, when the fuck was that ever in these rules you keep referring to?
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645AR
03/30/20 1:05:55 AM
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Banjo-Tooie has different levels you gain access through by collecting jiggies, just like B-K

You clearly have not played the game.
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dave_is_slick
03/30/20 1:13:35 AM
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This is a weird troll topic.

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EffectAndCause
03/30/20 1:53:10 AM
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645AR posted...
Banjo-Tooie has different levels you gain access through by collecting jiggies, just like B-K

You clearly have not played the game.


You mean kinda like Conker with cash, wait, why am I still responding?
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645AR
03/30/20 2:06:25 AM
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EffectAndCause posted...


You mean kinda like Conker with cash, wait, why am I still responding?


Not even close to the same thing
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MTRodaba2468
03/30/20 2:50:59 AM
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M_Live posted...
I'd agree with this. I wish the Xbox remake wasn't so censored and that they didn't take a dump on the multiplayer, I'd totally buy it otherwise. The OG is still great fun, if a bit challenging and frustrating at times. Was easily one of my favorite N64 games as a kid though, and I'm glad I can at least play it if I want to on Rare Replay.
Likewise. I'd never owned it (just rented it; it was one of the few N64 games on my radar that I never bought), but I ended up buying Rare Replay just to own a copy again...

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Wewillrocku
03/30/20 3:01:45 AM
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it's not a metroidvania.

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