Poll of the Day > Italy's death count is over 10k, holding at over 10% of people who contract it.

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Onll 92k cases confirmed in Itally and over 10k deaths.

We can hope we don't get those numbers here in the US, but honestly it's India that I think is going to get hit really hard.
Most places are more organized, less packed etc, I'm afraid it won't just be 10-11% of the people who get it (and most of the 1.2 billion in India probably will), but because of the chaos and disorganization etc, I'm afraid there will be more deaths from people harming each other, starvation, lack of resources etc.

Here in the US, I at least hope that once the threat becomes serious (god I can't believe our current administration is still thinking this will be over soon), we will focus on reducing how many people get it at once and getting more beds/ventalators etc for those who do get it.

Italy has...well mostly done everything right, that we should be doing, and is still getting hit seriously hard, what future does that leave for us?

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On the one hand, India has an incredible medical services infrastructure.
On the other hand, it's the most densely populated country on Earth (or most densely populated large country....maybe some tiny country technically is more dense) and has more people in poverty than any other country.

Could go either way w/ them, I guess...

I hope Japan does ok. People say Italy has a ton of elderly...Japan even more so. It's good they delayed the Olympics, that would've been a catastrophe for the world, but especially the host country given how many elderly they have.

Dude, turn off the news before you give yourself a nervous breakdown. 90%+ turn out fine, look at it that way.

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DPsx7 posted...

Dude, turn off the news before you give yourself a nervous breakdown. 90%+ turn out fine, look at it that way.

If your parents or grandparents are unlikely to fall into that 90%, then it's obviously a worry.

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DPsx7 posted...

Dude, turn off the news before you give yourself a nervous breakdown. 90%+ turn out fine, look at it that way.

10% death rate for a disease is ridiculously high.
For comparison, the flu has a .5% mortality rate, while AIDS has a .26% mortality rate.
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DPsx7 posted...

Dude, turn off the news before you give yourself a nervous breakdown. 90%+ turn out fine, look at it that way.

Please stop posting.

lihlih posted...

10% death rate for a disease is ridiculously high.
For comparison, the flu has a .5% mortality rate, while AIDS has a .26% mortality rate.

You have to remember that for some people, tens of millions of Americans dying inside of a year is no big deal but a game release being cancelled is the end of the world.

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Firewerx posted...

You have to remember that for some people, the prospect of tens of millions of Americans dying inside of a year is no big deal but a game release being cancelled is the end of the world.

There's your prob - 'prospect'. In all likelihood it's nowhere close. There are a million things out there you could get, has that stopped you before? Why now? As I said before it's a concern but not doomsday.

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DPsx7 posted...

There's your prob - 'prospect'. In all likelihood it's nowhere close. There are a million things out there you could get, has that stopped you before? Why now? As I said before it's a concern but not doomsday.

Your point wasn't that a 10% mortality rate was unlikely. Your point was that a 10% mortality rate was no big deal in view of a 90% survival rate. If infection becomes truly widespread, 10% population losses amid a nation of 323 million people translates into tens of millions. Do you really find such figures acceptable? Do you really think this is business as usual?

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DPsx7 posted...

Dude, turn off the news before you give yourself a nervous breakdown. 90%+ turn out fine, look at it that way.

Literal wars have lower mortality rates lmao

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Firewerx posted...

Your point wasn't that a 10% mortality rate was unlikely. Your point was that a 10% mortality rate was no big deal in view of a 90% survival rate. If infection becomes truly widespread, 10% population losses amid a nation of 323 million people translates into tens of millions. Do you really find such figures acceptable? Do you really think this is business as usual?

It's 10% for one area not everywhere. You guys keep bending and misreading the data to create things not being said. What for, more panic hoarding? Bigger refund checks?

I wouldn't put it that bluntly. If you want to shut down your life and hide in the basement for a whole summer over what 'might' happen then who am I to stop you? If the media spent more time saying most people who get it will feel like crap for a week or two and be fine instead of promoting the death toll (worldwide of course, bigger numbers mean more viewers) there'd be a lot less stress and anxiety. Are you in a hotspot or something?

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lihlih posted...

while AIDS has a .26% mortality rate.

Because people do not die from AIDS, they die from other illnesses because AIDS compromised their immune system.

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streamofthesky posted...

I hope Japan does ok.

Japan is doing fantastic considering its population density. probably helps a lot being an island I guess.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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DPs can you please make an attempt to be informed?
DPsx7 posted...

It's 10% for one area not everywhere. You guys keep bending and misreading the data to create things not being said. What for, more panic hoarding? Bigger refund checks?

I wouldn't put it that bluntly. If you want to shut down your life and hide in the basement for a whole summer over what 'might' happen then who am I to stop you? If the media spent more time saying most people who get it will feel like crap for a week or two and be fine instead of promoting the death toll (worldwide of course, bigger numbers mean more viewers) there'd be a lot less stress and anxiety. Are you in a hotspot or something?

DPs do you seriously think that if 10% of the population just up and vanished that everything would be okay? There's no possible way it would be. And many MANY more would die from the fallout. Please try to know what you're talking about.

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papercup posted...

DPs do you seriously think that if 10% of the population just up and vanished that everything would be okay? There's no possible way it would be. And many MANY more would die from the fallout. Please try to know what you're talking about.

it's worse than "up and vanish". people will be dying at home and there will be no one to collect the body for weeks or months.

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Kinda wonder how massively real estate prices will be impacted in these nations with heavy casualties, or whether speculators will keep the market roughly where it was. Not to mention how the EU is going to handle the loans some of these European nations will inevitably need to keep things going.

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papercup posted...

DPs can you please make an attempt to be informed?

DPs do you seriously think that if 10% of the population just up and vanished that everything would be okay? There's no possible way it would be. And many MANY more would die from the fallout. Please try to know what you're talking about.

10% isn't about to up and vanish though. It's for a small area unless for some reason you don't give a crap about the US, just Italy.

Seriously, you guys know nothing and want so badly to catch me being wrong that you'll write anything. So far what you've written is so far from fact or truth that you should be writing children's books.

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If anyone would like to see real-time data for the US and Canada, this website is one of the best I've seen. It is calculating fatality rates by state.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

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I feel like, given the stats and speculation from Italy itself, they're only reporting relatively severe cases. They have multiple complicating factors though.. it seems most of their cases are fairly concentrated in the north, they have an older average population, and they are short on ventilators, all of which will raise the mortality rate.

Without a stressed health care system, this virus seems to kill around 2% overall. It seems like healthcare system failure at least doubles, if not triples, that. Just my own speculation.

Even with this idea, the fact remains that decent clusters do actively stress or overwhelm healthcare systems. THAT is what anyone should be freaked out at least a little bit about even in the absence of losing a loved one.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Because people do not die from AIDS, they die from other illnesses because AIDS compromised their immune system.

The AIDS mortality rate is counting that shit in, duh.
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