Poll of the Day > lmao, we're gonna be staying at home until at least JULY at this point.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Well at least that's what Boston's Mayor was saying today.
That's pretty crazy.

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I think were gonna have to learn to function as a society WITH the virus because I dont believe the vaccine is as close as people think it is.


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ZBug_ posted...

I think were gonna have to learn to function as a society WITH the virus because I dont believe the vaccine is as close as people think it is.

People don't realize how long it takes for human trials for anything remotely serious.
You /really/ don't want to fuck up this vaccine, even if it's being sped up.

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At that point I'd just risk it, people will go mad in those major cities under 3+ month lockdowns.
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Hop103 posted...

At that point I'd just risk it, people will go mad in those major cities under 3+ month lockdowns.

To fully immunize a society, you need something like 85%-95% of the population vaccinated for that disease.
If it has a /slight/ issue because it was rushed, and something like 5% of people die, that's worse than what the virus could ever do.

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shadowsword87 posted...

People don't realize how long it takes for human trials for anything remotely serious.
You /really/ don't want to fuck up this vaccine, even if it's being sped up.

Yeah, 12-18 months for widespread availability was what they said in the early articles talking about the vaccine trials.

I don't think I can make another month without totally loosing it tbh.

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Only the easily panicked think we need 3 months of this. After 2 weeks many cases will be resolving unless you were one on spring break or at mardi gras.

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Only the stupid and ignorant think two weeks is enough of this.

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DPsx7 posted...

Only the easily panicked think we need 3 months of this. After 2 weeks many cases will be resolving unless you were one on spring break or at mardi gras.

as usual you have no idea what youre talking about

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There goes SDCC

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DPsx7 posted...

Only the easily panicked think we need 3 months of this. After 2 weeks many cases will be resolving unless you were one on spring break or at mardi gras.

Or in NYC, that place is a hot zone like Italy.
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Hop103 posted...

Or in NYC, that place is a hot zone like Italy.

And I live on Long Island just a few miles away from NYC so it's still scary.

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JixHedgehog posted...

There goes SDCC

mega bummer

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DPsx7 posted...

Only the easily panicked think we need 3 months of this. After 2 weeks many cases will be resolving unless you were one on spring break or at mardi gras.

Can you at least make an attempt to try to know what you're talking about?

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Far-Queue posted...

Only the stupid and ignorant think two weeks is enough of this.

Mead posted...

as usual you have no idea what youre talking about

Neither of you are on the 'has common sense' list so whatever. Go play in the corner.

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Hop103 posted...

Or in NYC, that place is a hot zone like Italy.

They're overdoing it. Increases in testing mean more positive hits to find hotspots but they don't sort out the emergency cases and the recover at home cases. Leading some duds to misread the data. It's a concern but not a full blown panic. There is NO excuse to remain shut down for more than a month tops. None. With that said, high risk cases should exercise a bit more caution. That's all.

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Oh noooo I'm on some dumb asshole's no common sense list oh noooooooo please tell me it isn't so!

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DPsx7 posted...

They're overdoing it. Increases in testing mean more positive hits to find hotspots but they don't sort out the emergency cases and the recover at home cases. Leading some duds to misread the data. It's a concern but not a full blown panic. There is NO excuse to remain shut down for more than a month tops. None. With that said, high risk cases should exercise a bit more caution. That's all.

You got any credentials to back that up or you're just talking out of your ass as to what you'd want to see happen. Believe me, we all want to go back as soon as possible, but it's just not feasible with the way this virus is being handled.

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One of the major downsides of this virus is that we'll all have to see a lot more of DPsx7.

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Sarcasthma posted...

One of the major downsides of this virus is that we'll all have to see a lot more of DPsx7.

And that is why 'ignore' exists.

rjsilverthorn posted...

And that is why 'ignore' exists.

I only reserve my ignore list for major threats like Duckbear. :p

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ZBug_ posted...

I think were gonna have to learn to function as a society WITH the virus because I dont believe the vaccine is as close as people think it is.

rjsilverthorn posted...

And that is why 'ignore' exists.

Using the ignore list is weak instead you are supposed to not put them on ignore and just reply to everything they said as if you have a compulsive problem.

ZBug_ posted...

I think were gonna have to learn to function as a society WITH the virus because I dont believe the vaccine is as close as people think it is.

Viruses can be contained and then eliminated without a vaccine so it's possible that will happen again. SARS never got a vaccine if I recall yet that is under control.

wolfy42 posted...

I don't think I can make another month without totally loosing it tbh.

That bad? I guess my years of training in being a NEET has finally paid off!

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Three weeks would have worked though if everyone did it though right?

Enough for those who know they are carriers to get thier symptoms and realize they need to stay home a little longer. Enough for everyone else to realize they are clean.

Enough for it to die on all surfaces it may have been on.

Problem was nobody wants to accept a lockdown for a few weeks and there has been rampant disregard for it pretty much all around America. So we have to do this forever.

Honestly, to the asshats who just keep getting out and going to gatherings and businesses that arent essential but try and pretend as though you are... and also to the people in China who eat rodents for a hobby... I just hope one day that you are forced to go on mandatory unemployment for weeks with two kids in a small house who make you watch Frozen 2 endlessly. You deserve it more than I did that's for damn sure

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Like you people don't have game backlogs or TV series to finish.

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DrYuya posted...

Three weeks would have worked though if everyone did it though right?

Maybe.

Problem was nobody wants to accept a lockdown for a few weeks and there has been rampant disregard for it pretty much all around America. So we have to do this forever.

Nobody? Most folk are capable of following simple rules. We will always have idiots though.

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DrYuya posted...

Three weeks would have worked though if everyone did it though right?

Absolutely everyone? Yeah, provided that's paired with comprehensive testing and subsequent full quarantine of anyone that shows symptoms and anyone living with them, and it is a full lockdown (no leaving your house for anything). The logistics of making that happen are complicated, though, since that means every person in the country needs three weeks' worth of food (delivered in a manner that prevents transmission between recipients, which is tricky), utility workers still need to get to work because everyone still needs power and whatnot, emergency services need to keep running (including emergency plumbing, electrical, and other such services), and all of this has to be paid for without anyone being able to work.

Even if everyone now was actually listening to social distancing recommendations, the fact that people are still going to be leaving the house to get groceries and the like means you're still going to get a growing number of cases, albeit at a slower rate than you're seeing with people ignoring them, and that number of cases would still end up exploding once life returned to normal and it was able to transmit freely. Anything less than a complete lockdown won't stop the virus, it'll only slow it down to levels that the health care system can manage (which reduces overall casualties dramatically), and to that end, those measures need to be in place for longer than a complete lockdown would.

DPsx7 posted...

They're overdoing it. Increases in testing mean more positive hits to find hotspots but they don't sort out the emergency cases and the recover at home cases. Leading some duds to misread the data. It's a concern but not a full blown panic. There is NO excuse to remain shut down for more than a month tops. None. With that said, high risk cases should exercise a bit more caution. That's all.

I'm so glad we have some guy in a computer chair with no medical training whatsoever available to tell us all how actual doctors and epidemiologists don't understand the issue as well as he does and that we can safely ignore what they say in favour of his assessment of the situation. That's really very helpful and doesn't make him look at all like an idiot with an inflated sense of self-importance.

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DesertPenguin09 posted...

You got any credentials to back that up or you're just talking out of your ass as to what you'd want to see happen. Believe me, we all want to go back as soon as possible, but it's just not feasible with the way this virus is being handled.

Who needs credentials? It's a virus not doomsday. Basic practices should be enough for most, wash hands, stay home when ill, the same common sense stuff I wish I saw more of here. I get that it's a bit different for compromised individuals which I'm thankfully not part of. Most of us could start getting back to normal.

Really, you all fell for the political BS and the media slid right into virus hype. You ask for my credentials but what about them? Any slob could throw on a lab coat and a name tag to make claims so you "tune in at 5". They're a business, I'm not.

Sarcasthma posted...

One of the major downsides of this virus is that we'll all have to see a lot more of DPsx7.

It benefits a lot of you even if you'll never admit it. Don't like it? Try to better yourselves.

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DPsx7 posted...

Who needs credentials?

certainly not you

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Mead posted...

certainly not you

See? Now you're learning. Good job.

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DPsx7 posted...

Who needs credentials?

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously when talking about something generally should be able to back it up. Credentials help a lot with that.


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DPsx7 posted...

Who needs credentials?

I'm willing to look beyond a need for formal credentials, but you still need at least some degree of medical education if you want to be taken more seriously than people who actually know what they're talking about, and the things you're saying here tell me you very much do not have that.

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I talked to my uncle in LA and he is down for both of us getting together and going backpacking/mountain climbing like in the past. If this goes on too much longer, I'm gonna load my car up with food (canned) and head to LA to meet up with him then we will head to the Sierra Nevada mountains and go hiking/backpacking up them for a few weeks at least.

I refuse to stay in this basement for months. I will go insane(r).

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wwinterj25 posted...

Viruses can be contained and then eliminated without a vaccine so it's possible that will happen again. SARS never got a vaccine if I recall yet that is under control.

Except SARS-CoV was more easily controlled, having a shorter communicable incubation time and being less contagious

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adjl posted...

I'm willing to look beyond a need for formal credentials, but you still need at least some degree of medical education if you want to be taken more seriously than people who actually know what they're talking about, and the things you're saying here tell me you very much do not have that.

this is his entire schtick

he claims something stupid, and defends his position by insisting that he is smart and all who disagree are dumb

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wwinterj25 posted...

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously when talking about something generally should be able to back it up. Credentials help a lot with that.

You must be new to the internet.

adjl posted...

I'm willing to look beyond a need for formal credentials, but you still need at least some degree of medical education if you want to be taken more seriously than people who actually know what they're talking about, and the things you're saying here tell me you very much do not have that.

Nobody here has a medical background. Nor am I making specific claims like the time until we get a vaccine or whatever. No it's just an extension of the political drama that plagued here earlier. You get one idea in your head and that's the only thing you'll accept forever. And hey maybe it comes down to you wanting off of work, getting to sit at home for however long. That's how my winter break goes and I like it.

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Mead posted...

this is his entire schtick

he claims something stupid, and defends his position by insisting that he is smart and all who disagree are dumb

That doesn't speak well for those who disagree.

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Cracks me up people cant stand being away from others for long periods of time.

Clench281 posted...

Except SARS-CoV was more easily controlled, having a shorter communicable incubation time and being less contagious

I used that as a example. All this doesn't change my actual point in that post.

DPsx7 posted...

You must be new to the internet.

Is Revelation your alt? You both seems very.... intelligent.

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rjsilverthorn posted...

And that is why 'ignore' exists.

You said it, man. This is just ridiculous.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Is Revelation your alt?

Plausible. They're equally ignorant.

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Far-Queue posted...

Plausible. They're equally ignorant.

Nah, Revelation usually just posts a few words that are more or less "not uh" whenever his OCD flares up and he wants to contradict someone.

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http://covid19.healthdata.org/

A website using current data to project COVID-19 peaks.

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RCtheWSBC posted...

http://covid19.healthdata.org/
A website using current data to project COVID-19 peaks.

I'm not seeing any reason to actually believe that projection, the various government reactions plays into that way too heavily. If, come April 1st, Trump comes out and says "We did it, Covid-19 is defeated, everything is back to normal", it's going to be massively different than if things stay quarantined.

There isn't any significant reason to believe that the inflection point for death is 15 days away, let alone what every hospital in the US is going to react to this. There's just way too much detail, and too little way of knowing.

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shadowsword87 posted...

I'm not seeing any reason to actually believe that projection, the various government reactions plays into that way too heavily. If, come April 1st, Trump comes out and says "We did it, Covid-19 is defeated, everything is back to normal", it's going to be massively different than if things stay quarantined.

I assume it only take into effect things that currently are in place to model its forecasts... Things will obviously change over the next 2 weeks. It isn't meant to be taken as absolute. I thought folks here would find the statistical modeling interesting, especially because you can review each state separately.

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