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Zeus
05/08/20 10:06:42 PM
#401:


Watching Evolution again because I went looking for Shazam! on NF and this was in the search results and I had been meaning to rewatch it for years. Unsurprisingly, I don't remember that much. Surprisingly, one actress -- Katharine Towne (who played Nadine) -- looked really familiar, but I can't find any other credits. However, even more surprisingly, the movie includes a young(er) Ty Burrell (of Modern Family fame). Apparently this was his first movie.

I remember the movie being kinda campy garbage, but Seann Willia Scott's shenanigans have so far been even worse than I remembered and Julianne Moore's pratfall was stupid as fuck for a cheap gag. (And the scene with the computer talk is still laughable.)

The Wave Master posted...
Papa Vince is ticked off at Roman Reigns because he didn't work Wrestlemania. Much like myself, Roman is immune compromised, and decided not to show up and work at the performance center for Mania. I guess recovering and surviving cancer isn't enough of a reason for you not to show up for work.

His release might be coming soon, but who knows with Vince. That carnival barker is crazy and upset at the world because he is bleeding money like a stuck piggy.

Well, VKM is used to having workhouses be his his champs. Could you imagine Cena sitting out a WM like that? Or Triple H?

Honestly, while Roman's concerns seem valid, if this is what it finally takes for him to fall from grace, so be it.

The Wave Master posted...
Dreams... my dreams died when they took my leg. Naw, I'm joking. Let me think about this for a while, and I will come up with something clever, or at least something deep and profound. (Not likely.)

Well, you could always be a pirate?

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I've never had dreams or aspirations, because I've generally always lived in the moment.

I'm not sure how those are mutually exclusive?

ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's probably the same reason I never really had any idols or role models growing up.

Now that you mention it, I don't recall having any of those myself growing up.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's probably also tied to my impatience - if I want something, I generally act to accomplish that thing as quickly as possible (this is why I make an absolutely terrible person to buy presents for - if I want something I already own it, if I don't already own it I probably don't want it and won't appreciate it). So I've never really had the mindset of "Someday, I hope I can do X" as much as I tend to just get shit done and then appreciate it later.

Which is probably why I haven't done a lot my stuff either -- it's not something I can accomplish quickly. And if I can't do something quickly, I tend to get sidetracked.

The Wave Master posted...
I grew up super poor, and didn't have much, and wanted for everything, and made due with the little I did have. Which is why I don't have a lot of dreams either. When you grow up poor and desperate then you learn to not be a dreamer at a very early age, and learn to focus on the here and now. A lot of times when I did get excited for something it lead to disappointment. I just became a realistic person at an early age.

Uhhh... people who grow up super poor tend to have dreams, though. They tend to be pretty limited dreams -- like athletics, music/entertainment, etc -- but they're still dreams. The only real exception is people growing up in poor in isolated regions where they don't really know what's out there.


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Zeus
05/08/20 10:06:47 PM
#402:




CyborgSage00x0 posted...
It's annoying, because every new UPM/Producer you meet on a show (especially when you're lower on the totem pole) asks you "What do you want to do in your life/film?" I learned that it's better to give some bullshit fluff answer ("I wanna be a Producer!") or something than say, "I dunno, I'm kinda OK just working and seeing which way the wind blows."

To be fair, the majority of people working within your industry probably aspire to higher things within that industry.

Revelation34 posted...
I got some POPS. Happened to be in a FedEx store and they had some cheap ones. I got a random Star Wars droid and Arnold from Hey Arnold.

How cheap is cheap where Pop!s are concerned? =p

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Revelation34
05/08/20 11:22:24 PM
#403:


Zeus posted...


To be fair, the majority of people working within your industry probably aspire to higher things within that industry.

How cheap is cheap where Pop!s are concerned? =p


7.50 not including any tax.
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Zeus
05/09/20 6:53:41 PM
#404:


I started to catch up on the Blacklist, not sure whether it was over... and while I googled to see if it had ended, I spoiled something from a later season.

At any at rate, I need to figure out where I'm going to stop so I can avoid a cliffhanger. I probably should have stopped right after the Alexander Kirk stuff ended. Already spoiled for myself what happens to Mr. Kaplan, since I was too impatient to see if she was really dead after being shot. At any rate, the Kaplan backstory right now is so fucking awful. It reveals an early history with a young Elizabeth which stretches credulity and shows events that would have been much better if just left hinted at... although, getting a bit further, it looks like the backstory was also used to explain how she survived the shooting Of course, I'm guessing (later spoilers) that the introduction of Katarina in the past was just a way to pave the way for her future appearance.

I still want to watch the Flash at some point -- and was tempted to do so instead of Blacklist -- but I've held off for the same reason: I want to wait until the end of its run. Actually, what I should watch is Gotham, after I confirm that NF has all the seasons.

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Zeus
05/11/20 3:01:10 AM
#405:


Does anybody suppose that a CCG overtly based on Satanism would have much mass-market appeal? Because it's a content-rich concept that as far as I know nobody has really tapped, although I'm not sure if it's more a matter of the perception of an unmarketable concept or the reality of an unmarketable concept.

Also, when it comes to cardbacks, I'm not sure that any CCG has done it better than MtG. The inclusion of the color wheel was a long-term stroke of genius, although I expect at least some of it was more the cart leading the horse than the horse leading the cart because some of the design decisions were likely based on it after the fact since concepts like allied-colors and enemy-colors aren't as present in early sets.

Revelation34 posted...
7.50 not including any tax.

tbh, I think what convinced me to pick up my first Pop! was finding it for $2.5 or $3 on clearance. And seeing others for $5 or less is possibly the only reason I've bought a few of them. I have a weakness for what I consider a bargain. It's certainly the only reason I picked up the Talespin Shere Khan Pop! after already having the Mystery Mini.

Speaking of tchotchkes, I really like what Hasbro did with its Mighty Muggs line. The original figures were a bit on the large side and, because the detail was more in the paint rather than sculpting, they always looked a little too generic for my tastes. Now they're a little shorter than Pop!s, have head-sculpting, and the ability to switch between 3 faces... and very sturdy, stackable plastic boxes. Unfortunately, I think they stopped making them.


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shadowsword87
05/11/20 3:09:03 AM
#406:


Define "mass-market appeal" I suppose.

CCGs are super niche already, the interest just isn't there for for another major game. The current major ones (MtG, Pokemon, Yo-gi-oh) are pretty deadset with just their age, and any newer games that come along (Netrunner comes to mind) tend to die off.

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Revelation34
05/11/20 4:09:02 AM
#407:


Zeus posted...
Does anybody suppose that a CCG overtly based on Satanism would have much mass-market appeal? Because it's a content-rich concept that as far as I know nobody has really tapped, although I'm not sure if it's more a matter of the perception of an unmarketable concept or the reality of an unmarketable concept.

Also, when it comes to cardbacks, I'm not sure that any CCG has done it better than MtG. The inclusion of the color wheel was a long-term stroke of genius, although I expect at least some of it was more the cart leading the horse than the horse leading the cart because some of the design decisions were likely based on it after the fact since concepts like allied-colors and enemy-colors aren't as present in early sets.

tbh, I think what convinced me to pick up my first Pop! was finding it for $2.5 or $3 on clearance. And seeing others for $5 or less is possibly the only reason I've bought a few of them. I have a weakness for what I consider a bargain. It's certainly the only reason I picked up the Talespin Shere Khan Pop! after already having the Mystery Mini.

Speaking of tchotchkes, I really like what Hasbro did with its Mighty Muggs line. The original figures were a bit on the large side and, because the detail was more in the paint rather than sculpting, they always looked a little too generic for my tastes. Now they're a little shorter than Pop!s, have head-sculpting, and the ability to switch between 3 faces... and very sturdy, stackable plastic boxes. Unfortunately, I think they stopped making them.



Well I can afford them now so I'll probably go searching online to get the ones I couldn't get before. I'd prefer in box though. I'll probably get all the original Star Wars trilogy characters if I can. I wasn't expecting to see Arnold out of any I could have seen. I guess they make them for everything.
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Zeus
05/11/20 6:22:54 AM
#408:


shadowsword87 posted...
Define "mass-market appeal" I suppose.

CCGs are super niche already, the interest just isn't there for for another major game. The current major ones (MtG, Pokemon, Yo-gi-oh) are pretty deadset with just their age, and any newer games that come along (Netrunner comes to mind) tend to die off.

As in a mass market product.

And I'm pretty sure even major retailers carry more than just those three.

Revelation34 posted...
Well I can afford them now so I'll probably go searching online to get the ones I couldn't get before. I'd prefer in box though. I'll probably get all the original Star Wars trilogy characters if I can.

The packaging is certainly a lot of the appeal. I've only removed maybe a handful from their package, sometimes because the packaging itself was damaged.

All the OT SW characters is likely a pretty massive number these days. I can't imagine trying to collect the full run for any major property given the sheer volume available (and the aftermarket prices for some of them get to be absurd).

Oh, and which droid did you get?

Revelation34 posted...
I wasn't expecting to see Arnold out of any I could have seen. I guess they make them for everything.

That's kinda the distinguishing characteristic of the line. Granted, Hey Arnold! isn't nearly as weird as some of things they've adapted. In fact, they've done a lot of Nicktoons including some for AAAAAH! Real Monsters, which I was moderately tempted to buy, but honestly Funko produces far too many things that tempt me and I don't want to end up with a full wall of Pop!s. On many occasions I've just narrowly avoided doing a bulk buy. I think I've discussed that aspect of it in the past, though

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ParanoidObsessive
05/11/20 2:02:31 PM
#409:


Zeus posted...
I still want to watch the Flash at some point

I can't get into the DC shows. I was going to watch Arrow, but then it started at the worst possible time (my cable provider and CW were feuding at the time so I wasn't getting the CW, then I changed cable providers for unrelated reasons, and almost immediately after Hurricane Sandy knocked out my power for almost two weeks), so by the time I could actually watch an episode the first season was half over and I didn't want to jump in at that point.

Then Flash started, and I was already less interested because of the whole thing with Arrow, and then even more so when Flash started crossing over with Arrow as part of a shared universe.

But then I actually went out of my way to watch Legends of Tomorrow because I always like time travel as a concept, and I really liked the comics where Rip Hunter and Booster Gold were acting like Timecops, so I kind of ignored the connections to the other shows... but the acting and writing were so bad. Like amateur high school play level bad. And when I asked around online, I was told "Oh yeah, all the DC shows are like that."

It's part of why I could only watch the Crisis crossover a few months back in bits and pieces as YouTube clips rather than watching the whole shows - the acting and writing really is that bad for all the shows as far as I can tell, and it's kind of painful to watch.

Granted, I'm not expecting film-level quality from throwaway CW shows, but at the very least I'd prefer something on the level of Agents of SHIELD (with the ideal being something closer to the Netflix shows) rather than something that's about on par with everything else on the CW (ie, bad, and aimed at shitty teenagers).

AND SPEAKING OF BEING AIMED AT SHITTY TEENAGERS...



Zeus posted...
Does anybody suppose that a CCG overtly based on Satanism would have much mass-market appeal?

Edgy teens would probably lap it up, and you could totally sell it in Hot Topic. You'd definitely get the soccer mom outcry, but in this case you'd be counting on it to act as advertising rather than as something that would discourage buyers.

My suspicion is, you'd be tapping into the same sort of market that buys stuff like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Epic-Spell-Wars-Battle-Wizards/dp/161768029X

The problem is, something like that would probably be extremely niche, even in the niche hobby that is CCGing. So you might not be able to turn it into profitability.



Zeus posted...
Also, when it comes to cardbacks, I'm not sure that any CCG has done it better than MtG.

I really liked the original L5R card backs, but they got screwed over when the International Olympic Committee decided that they own the entire concept of interlocking rings and sued them over it:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c88tGc1ORUc/VgIDzgfx0aI/AAAAAAAAA6k/NWyFGLu4778/s1600/L5R-backs-300x255.jpg

The replacement backs were fine, but lacked some of the charm.

The new reboot of the game under FFG has changed the backs again, and they kind of look nice - going for the Japanese art style that makes it look like something right out of the samurai era:

http://www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-legend-of-the-five-rings

The one cool thing about L5R (and you can kind of see it in the new version pictures) is that there are different colored card backs (in the original black and green versions, in the new versions there's white, red, and ones with different art on the back). This is because certain cards have different functions in the game, and you can tell which cards are which by the backs. So they're functional as well as aesthetic.

I also tend to like card backs for games that show factionality (like the old Star Wars CCG from the 90s where you had Rebellion backs and Empire backs), though those work best in games where players have to choose opposed factions and have less individuality when it comes to deck building (ie, you can't play an Empire deck against an Empire deck in the Star Wars game, and you can't use Rebellion cards in Empire decks). But there's not a ton of games like that, because players tend to prefer the idea that they can use any card in any deck, and play any deck they want rather than having to pick a side opposed to their opponent(s).
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Metalsonic66
05/11/20 2:36:44 PM
#410:


The first couple seasons of the Flash are pretty good. Not amazing but definitely fun.

The story got more and more ridiculous but the real reason it went downhill was the romantic drama that took up more time than the crime fighting

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Revelation34
05/11/20 3:03:23 PM
#411:


Zeus posted...


As in a mass market product.

And I'm pretty sure even major retailers carry more than just those three.

The packaging is certainly a lot of the appeal. I've only removed maybe a handful from their package, sometimes because the packaging itself was damaged.

All the OT SW characters is likely a pretty massive number these days. I can't imagine trying to collect the full run for any major property given the sheer volume available (and the aftermarket prices for some of them get to be absurd).

Oh, and which droid did you get?

That's kinda the distinguishing characteristic of the line. Granted, Hey Arnold! isn't nearly as weird as some of things they've adapted. In fact, they've done a lot of Nicktoons including some for AAAAAH! Real Monsters, which I was moderately tempted to buy, but honestly Funko produces far too many things that tempt me and I don't want to end up with a full wall of Pop!s. On many occasions I've just narrowly avoided doing a bulk buy. I think I've discussed that aspect of it in the past, though


Well I meant more main characters and some side ones, not literally all of them. I wish the jawa looked better. I don't know the droid. It was some black one from the new Star Wars movies. I need R2D2 especially. I forgot about AAAAAH! Real Monsters until you mentioned it. That was a great show. I remember my favorite episode was the Bigfoot episode.

Metalsonic66 posted...
The first couple seasons of the Flash are pretty good. Not amazing but definitely fun.

The story got more and more ridiculous but the real reason it went downhill was the romantic drama that took up more time than the crime fighting


Honestly it just always seems like a show gets worse as it goes on in general. Where the first season is usually really great then the other seasons start to drag on. Though in particular for Supergirl after they went full SJW the show started really going to shit.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/11/20 3:05:35 PM
#412:


Revelation34 posted...
Honestly it just always seems like a show gets worse as it goes on in general. Where the first season is usually really great then the other seasons start to drag on. Though in particular for Supergirl after they went full SJW the show started really going to shit.

No clue if this is true because I haven't really watched them, but I remember back in the day the consensus on some of the comic boards I used to hang out on was that both Arrow and Flash tended to start out weak, peaked really hard in their second seasons, and then just sort of spiraled down into being terrible afterwards.
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Revelation34
05/11/20 3:06:57 PM
#413:


ParanoidObsessive posted...


No clue if this is true because I haven't really watched them, but I remember back in the day the consensus on some of the comic boards I used to hang out on was that both Arrow and Flash tended to start out weak, peaked really hard in their second seasons, and then just sort of spiraled down into being terrible afterwards.


After the Vegas shooting they made an episode during that season to make a political statement about guns being bad even for government agencies. Also I really liked the first season of both. I would say they both peaked at about season 3 though.
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Zeus
05/11/20 3:41:41 PM
#414:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's part of why I could only watch the Crisis crossover a few months back in bits and pieces as YouTube clips rather than watching the whole shows - the acting and writing really is that bad for all the shows as far as I can tell, and it's kind of painful to watch.

I've found that a lot of shows and movies look better when you just watch clips instead of the whole thing.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Granted, I'm not expecting film-level quality from throwaway CW shows, but at the very least I'd prefer something on the level of Agents of SHIELD (with the ideal being something closer to the Netflix shows) rather than something that's about on par with everything else on the CW (ie, bad, and aimed at shitty teenagers).

Now you're sending mixed messages. Agents of SHIELD seemed every bit as bad if not worse than anything on CW. The acting and writing killed my interest almost immediately.

ParanoidObsessive posted...


Edgy teens would probably lap it up, and you could totally sell it in Hot Topic.

Now that you mention it, I'm trying to recall ever seeing CCG booster packs sold at Hot Topic.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
My suspicion is, you'd be tapping into the same sort of market that buys stuff like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Epic-Spell-Wars-Battle-Wizards/dp/161768029X

The problem is, something like that would probably be extremely niche, even in the niche hobby that is CCGing. So you might not be able to turn it into profitability.

That's really the board game crowd at that point, so basically just comics and games shops if enough of those still exist.

I guess my best option is still to create a moderately successful media property then create a CCG based on that since original concepts don't seem to do particularly well anyway (then again, a lot of the franchised stuff flops as well)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I really liked the original L5R card backs, but they got screwed over when the International Olympic Committee decided that they own the entire concept of interlocking rings and sued them over it:

While the interlocking rings are a great visual and tie into the name, it's not a particularly illustrative concept. I kinda prefer the coin/token look even if the game name looks stupidly out of place. The backgrounds for both cardbacks are trash, though.

The new cardbacks look neat. The individual symbols don't look like coins so it ties a little nicer to the game name, there's no huge name, and the background fits the setting.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
The one cool thing about L5R (and you can kind of see it in the new version pictures) is that there are different colored card backs (in the original black and green versions, in the new versions there's white, red, and ones with different art on the back). This is because certain cards have different functions in the game, and you can tell which cards are which by the backs. So they're functional as well as aesthetic.

I also tend to like card backs for games that show factionality (like the old Star Wars CCG from the 90s where you had Rebellion backs and Empire backs), though those work best in games where players have to choose opposed factions and have less individuality when it comes to deck building (ie, you can't play an Empire deck against an Empire deck in the Star Wars game, and you can't use Rebellion cards in Empire decks). But there's not a ton of games like that, because players tend to prefer the idea that they can use any card in any deck, and play any deck they want rather than having to pick a side opposed to their opponent(s).

I like the concept of multiple cardbacks to some extent. Yes, it can add a richness to the theme in a game with clearly established factions, but it also leads to issues like having to make more general cards multiple times. Decipher's SW CCG is a good example because instead of just making one card for something like a blaster that could be used in either faction's deck, they had to make a card for each faction. Something like that adds to the annoyance factor when it comes to the collectible component. And in general, one of the problems I've had with strictly-factional CCGs is that -- excluding the fringier, box-set sort of things -- the factions are generally combined in booster packs (for pragmatic reasons). In a CCG without that kind of rough divide, having a mix is more justifiable but it makes less sense when something just straight-up can't be used.

As for the different cardbacks in L5R, would they be in the same deck (meaning that both players would have some clue as to the next card) or did you have multiple decks in a game?


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Zeus
05/11/20 4:16:05 PM
#415:


Revelation34 posted...
I need R2D2 especially.

R2-D2 was one I was conflicted on given that I have a lot of R2-D2 merch and the Pop! doesn't really jump out at me for whatever reason. However, I found it used for $3 which was hard to resist. But, on that subject, I'll once again complain about Funko dragging its feet in releasing other R2 units since they're pretty basic colorways. It's even more annoying considering that Funko previously released some of those R2 units in other lines. In particular, I want a R2-Q2 (which, oddly enough, connects into the CCG discussion since the Decipher SW CCG is what first got me interested in that particular unit). I have the Wacky Wobbler, which is alright but it's not quite the same.

I will mention that I paid full pop for the Gamestop-exclusive R2-B1 just to have one of the colorways. Humorously, I kinda like the look of the Pop! more than the actual droid, which is the reverse of the issue with R2-D2.

Revelation34 posted...
I forgot about AAAAAH! Real Monsters until you mentioned it. That was a great show.

It holds up remarkably well, probably because the concept and art was so different.

Revelation34 posted...
After the Vegas shooting they made an episode during that season to make a political statement about guns being bad even for government agencies. Also I really liked the first season of both. I would say they both peaked at about season 3 though

Virtue-signaling current issues in shows annoys the fuck out of me. Blacklist keeps doing that, including working in a wage gap subplot into an episode just so the issue could be discussed.

The smaller throwaway lines can be a bit of a distraction that painfully dates the show, although it's less of a nuisance. It often depends on the set-up. In a later season of Supernatural, parallel Earth Bobby recounts a few things -- some of which are egregious and then works Trump's election into it to imply a negative association -- where his Trump jab feels out of place, although had it just been a Trump jab it might have been more amusing. It's also worth noting that some of the Supernatural case had been vehementally anti-Trump, including Mischa/Castiel.

The same sorta thing annoys me when it comes to the Harley Quinn cartoon, where the creators feel the need to pepper it with a lot of SJW jokes that probably are only funny to the choir and broadly feel out of place.

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I_Abibde
05/11/20 7:50:15 PM
#416:


While it does make me feel a bit warm and fuzzy to read people talking about L5R, my experience with it is limited to the D&D 3rd Edition Oriental Adventures version of that universe. Still had fun playing a character in that world.

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Revelation34
05/11/20 8:08:46 PM
#417:


Zeus posted...


R2-D2 was one I was conflicted on given that I have a lot of R2-D2 merch and the Pop! doesn't really jump out at me for whatever reason. However, I found it used for $3 which was hard to resist. But, on that subject, I'll once again complain about Funko dragging its feet in releasing other R2 units since they're pretty basic colorways. It's even more annoying considering that Funko previously released some of those R2 units in other lines. In particular, I want a R2-Q2 (which, oddly enough, connects into the CCG discussion since the Decipher SW CCG is what first got me interested in that particular unit). I have the Wacky Wobbler, which is alright but it's not quite the same.

I will mention that I paid full pop for the Gamestop-exclusive R2-B1 just to have one of the colorways. Humorously, I kinda like the look of the Pop! more than the actual droid, which is the reverse of the issue with R2-D2.

It holds up remarkably well, probably because the concept and art was so different.

Virtue-signaling current issues in shows annoys the fuck out of me. Blacklist keeps doing that, including working in a wage gap subplot into an episode just so the issue could be discussed.

The smaller throwaway lines can be a bit of a distraction that painfully dates the show, although it's less of a nuisance. It often depends on the set-up. In a later season of Supernatural, parallel Earth Bobby recounts a few things -- some of which are egregious and then works Trump's election into it to imply a negative association -- where his Trump jab feels out of place, although had it just been a Trump jab it might have been more amusing. It's also worth noting that some of the Supernatural case had been vehementally anti-Trump, including Mischa/Castiel.

The same sorta thing annoys me when it comes to the Harley Quinn cartoon, where the creators feel the need to pepper it with a lot of SJW jokes that probably are only funny to the choir and broadly feel out of place.


I had an R2D2 action figure. Not sure what it was exactly. It got ruined so had to be thrown out. It also wasn't in the best condition when I found it anyway. I'll look at POPS tomorrow since I have the day off. I want the Glowing One GameStop exclusive.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/11/20 8:22:11 PM
#418:


Zeus posted...
Now you're sending mixed messages. Agents of SHIELD seemed every bit as bad if not worse than anything on CW. The acting and writing killed my interest almost immediately.

Ehh, while I'd agree that the writing in Agents of SHIELD could definitely be bad at times, and there were certainly weaker actors on it, it was easily better than anything that I saw on Legends of Tomorrow or in the Crisis clips from the CW. I'd absolutely rank it higher.

That being said, I also stopped watching Agents of SHIELD after the first couple seasons, so it might depend on when you're watching.

I could see if the first couple episodes turned you off and drove you away for good, though, because let's be honest, the first couple episodes of pretty much every series ever are usually pretty weak.



Zeus posted...
Now that you mention it, I'm trying to recall ever seeing CCG booster packs sold at Hot Topic.

If they weren't, that would be a massive lost opportunity.



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That's really the board game crowd at that point, so basically just comics and games shops if enough of those still exist.

Yeah, but I was talking more about aesthetics than mechanics, so that doesn't really apply.

Though honestly, I'm not sure that "boxed set" card games have more in common with board games than they do CCGs. Sure, you lose the "keep buying boosters and chase the dragon" element, and the "build your own deck" aspect, but overall playstyle with randomized card interactions tend to be the same.



Zeus posted...
While the interlocking rings are a great visual and tie into the name, it's not a particularly illustrative concept. I kinda prefer the coin/token look even if the game name looks stupidly out of place. The backgrounds for both cardbacks are trash, though.

Honestly, I don't think the M:tG backs are illustrative or evocative of anything at all. The five colored dots are absolutely meaningless unless you already know what the color pie is and how it interacts, at which point you don't really need the dots. And then you've got the "Deckmaster" part, which is a meaningless artifact left over from the time when they actually planned to publish CCGs other than Magic. And the brown is just kind of ass (and was mostly picked because it was cheap to produce, and at the time it was created WotC was basically a start-up company with no money).



Zeus posted...
but it also leads to issues like having to make more general cards multiple times.

the factions are generally combined in booster packs (for pragmatic reasons).

L5R basically used to get around that by having faction-specific cards come in faction-specific starter decks, and then the boosters just contained cards that were theoretically usable in any deck (though realistically, which Clan you were playing tended to influence your strategy, which in turn influenced which cards you'd be using, so it was similar to the different styles that the colors of Magic tend to encourage simply via color pie design philosophy).

But it's not completely out of the question to release booster packs that cater to a specific faction as long as they're clearly labeled. It isn't inherently more expensive than producing a more randomly-distributed set in boosters with multiple wrappers - and can have the added advantage of potentially showing you which factions are popular, if you want to phase some out or introduce new ones, or to see which factions need better cards to help make them more popular (something that L5R used to do, based on who was playing what decks in tournaments).

Magic's actually started doing something like this as well - if I play red/black 99% of the time, then buying boosters is almost worthless to me, because I don't care about any of the white, green, or blue cards I'm getting, and unless I'm trading (which was never as significant a factor as WotC always sort of hoped it would be), I'm almost better off just buying individual cards via a dealer or online. But now they sell "Red Boosters" and "Black Boosters", that I can buy and be sure that every card in them will be potentially usable in my deck (even if realistically, most of them will be common trash and pretty much worthless).



Zeus posted...
As for the different cardbacks in L5R, would they be in the same deck (meaning that both players would have some clue as to the next card) or did you have multiple decks in a game?

Multiple decks. Each player had a Dynasty deck and a Fate deck. Players also had to have a "Stronghold" card that represented your specific Clan.

It's hard to explain how to play in a short summary (it's more complicated than Magic, which is probably part of why it never caught on as strongly, but part of why the fans it did have were way more fanatical), but basically the Fate deck worked the way your cards do in Magic, with you holding them in your hand and being playable, whereas the Dynasty cards got played directly to the table each turn and are sort of like the Lands in Magic, where they represent territory you control and which generate resources.
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Zeus
05/12/20 9:18:09 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
That being said, I also stopped watching Agents of SHIELD after the first couple seasons, so it might depend on when you're watching.

I couldn't even make it through the first season.

Granted, I watched the Ghost Rider clips out of curiosity and, had I been impressed, I probably would have given the show another chance. That was the closest they came to having a real hook for me.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I could see if the first couple episodes turned you off and drove you away for good, though, because let's be honest, the first couple episodes of pretty much every series ever are usually pretty weak.

I'm not sure how far I made it. I know I definitely watched the first 4 episodes -- since #3 and #4 included a memorable element/gimmick -- and assume I must have watched a few episodes past it. I think some nonsense involving May might have been the final straw.

And sure, the early episodes -- and frequently the first season -- of a great many shows tend to be bad or weak, especially after watching the later seasons. However, the various clips I watched from Agents of SHIELD (including the Ghost Rider stuff) suggest that many of my issues with the show hadn't changed. The subject matter often includes things of interest, but the presentation, script, acting, etc, keeps me from being interested in watching the show.

I should mention that I *probably* have a higher threshold for terrible shit than most people. After all, I managed to make it through Grimm and only haven't watched that final season because I haven't seen it on any streaming service I have access to. (On a related note, I was flabbergasted to learn that one of the people from NPR is married to Claire Coffee who played the Hexenbiest Adalind on the show)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
If they weren't, that would be a massive lost opportunity.

Shelf space is kind of a premium in retail and they tend to fill up just about every inch in those stores. Most locations are incredibly cramped. The only store where it felt like they could have fit more aisles was in a kinda shitty mall where I imagine they have more open space to deter shoplifters.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Though honestly, I'm not sure that "boxed set" card games have more in common with board games than they do CCGs. Sure, you lose the "keep buying boosters and chase the dragon" element, and the "build your own deck" aspect, but overall playstyle with randomized card interactions tend to be the same.

It's a fixed all-in-one product vs individual boosters. A person typically only buys a box set once whereas people multiple boosters. The play style is also going to be different as a result.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Honestly, I don't think the M:tG backs are illustrative or evocative of anything at all. The five colored dots are absolutely meaningless unless you already know what the color pie is and how it interacts, at which point you don't really need the dots. And then you've got the "Deckmaster" part, which is a meaningless artifact left over from the time when they actually planned to publish CCGs other than Magic. And the brown is just kind of ass (and was mostly picked because it was cheap to produce, and at the time it was created WotC was basically a start-up company with no money).

https://i.imgur.com/cI9uGt2.jpg

Stylized cardback that looks like a grimoire (which wouldn't have worked if they had done anything *other* than brown). Great use of font. Inclusion of the color wheel, which is the core mechanic.

While the Deckmaster serves zero purpose (and I always forget that it's there), it provides an excellent counterbalance to the game name at the top. This means that the color wheel -- the most important thematic aspect -- is centered without looking weird

ParanoidObsessive posted...
But it's not completely out of the question to release booster packs that cater to a specific faction as long as they're clearly labeled. It isn't inherently more expensive than producing a more randomly-distributed set in boosters with multiple wrappers - and can have the added advantage of potentially showing you which factions are popular, if you want to phase some out or introduce new ones, or to see which factions need better cards to help make them more popular (something that L5R used to do, based on who was playing what decks in tournaments).

Because then you start to run into issue with different buy rates (if it's part of the same set) or get pigeon-holed into releasing sets specific to each faction or something.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
But now they sell "Red Boosters" and "Black Boosters", that I can buy and be sure that every card in them will be potentially usable in my deck (even if realistically, most of them will be common trash and pretty much worthless).

I'm intrigued by the concept. I wanted to see how it compared to a normal pack and learned that boosters are up to $4 now. If the MSRP is $7 and you can actually get it for $7, kinda seems like a good deal (relatively speaking) since it contains 35 cards and supposedly has more uncommons than normal.

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05/12/20 10:47:59 PM
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Zeus posted...
And I'm pretty sure even major retailers carry more than just those three

Maybe it just has to do with the area, but I haven't seen anything beyond those in WalMart in years.

GameStop has the new DBZ one and maybe one other I think, but the other just looks like old stock they haven't been able to move and been there as long as I can recall. The cardboard is faded all to heck and back.
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05/12/20 11:43:25 PM
#421:


I've been busy with getting everything set up at the new house. I need boxes, paint, and new flooring all before we move in next month. Plus, I've been going to wound care twice a week for an ulcer on my tummy, which hurts like a *****! I got an ultrasound which showed no issues underneath, just a pesky sore that is slow in healing.

We also spent the last few days going through twenty years of my mother's stuff, and that lady was a pack rat! She kept everything everyone ever gave her, cards, bears, financial papers, and about twenty different candles. My brother was the same way when he died last year, and so we've been cleaning, and it has been surprisingly fun.

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Metalsonic66
05/13/20 1:17:13 PM
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Has anyone here played Mega Man 11?

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Zeus
05/13/20 3:07:34 PM
#423:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Has anyone here played Mega Man 11?

No, I had meant to buy it back when it was on sale at one point but didn't get to it in time and can't justify the normal MSRP.

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05/13/20 5:20:10 PM
#424:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Has anyone here played Mega Man 11?

I have. The old school difficulty is still there, though not to the same degree as 9 and 10.

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Metalsonic66
05/13/20 5:31:28 PM
#425:


I loved 9. I heard this one was a little more complex. I got it for like 11 bucks but haven't played it yet

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Zeus
05/14/20 5:23:44 PM
#426:


Humble Bundle apparently has some of Joe Hill's comics in it. Was going to skip since nothing is a full run (except maybe at the highest tier?), but then noticed that there's a Ray Bradbury-themed one there.

https://i.imgur.com/M1YKMu1.gif

Other than enjoying what I read of Locke & Key (which now has that NF series I *still* need to check out, in addition to having never watched the pilots for the failed shows), I've never been much of a Joe Hill fan (partly due to Horns) and was predisposed to dislike him after learning he was Stephen King's son (a fact that seems hard to hide when you see photos of him). However, I've long-enjoyed the works of Bradbuy (and no, we don't need the music video again, PO)

Oh, plus we should probably start brainstorming titles for the next topic. Have either "The Omega Geek" or "The Last Geek on Earth" have been done yet? Either one seems apropos in the aftermath of a pandemic.

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ParanoidObsessive
05/15/20 4:11:34 AM
#427:


Zeus posted...
a fact that seems hard to hide when you see photos of him

Yeah, he looks almost exactly like what you'd get if someone used a time machine to drag Stephen King from the past into the present. Or like some sort of clone of him escaped.

I suppose he can get away with it, though, because how many people are going to see pictures of him (at least without already knowing who he is)? He was mostly just trying to avoid that "first impression" sort of deal where people dismiss his work without ever reading it because of their opinions of his dad's work (or because they assume he's only getting published due to nepotism).



Zeus posted...
and no, we don't need the music video again, PO

Assuming you're talking about the video I'm thinking of, I don't think I've ever posted it for anyone, anywhere. I never really found it interesting enough that I'd be recommending it to other people.

I'm kind of weird like that - I don't really like "nerd culture" videos. It always sort of reeks a bit of "trying too hard" to me, ties into that whole "geek chic" and "fake nerd" aesthetic, and generally just leaves me feeling a bit of second-hard embarrassment.

It might stem at least in part from the fact that I grew up and honed my nerd cred back when you basically had to hide your power level or get crapped on for liking geeky/nerdy things. The idea that singing about how you like sci-fi or fantasy or D&D or whatever somehow makes you cool is so alien to my brain.

That video wouldn't even have occurred to me at all if you hadn't mentioned it.
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05/15/20 5:15:07 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Assuming you're talking about the video I'm thinking of, I don't think I've ever posted it for anyone, anywhere. I never really found it interesting enough that I'd be recommending it to other people.

How odd. I thought you were the one who had posted it a few times when his name came up. I wonder who did it then.

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05/15/20 4:59:46 PM
#429:


Not me. And I consider the accusation slander and libel!











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nIqGI5-6HI
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The Wave Master
05/15/20 9:31:36 PM
#430:


We finally picked a paint color, and we got the floors picked out as well. Tomorrow is paint day, and the measurements of the floor and the installation is coming next week.

The bad news is our dumb ass governor, and the dumb ass Mississippi Gaming Commission has decided to allow casinos to reopen at 50% capacity starting on Thursday, and that means that my wife is going to head back to work soon. Which means we have to get cracking on moving from this house to our new house. No time for gaming or geek stuff right now.

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Entity13
05/15/20 10:24:27 PM
#431:


My stepdad got sick a week ago and has been tested for Covid. The test came back negative, and what he does have is a sinus infection. He's arguably the most susceptible person in the family, so we're all glad he's fine (aside from the sinus thing).

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ParanoidObsessive
05/15/20 10:49:16 PM
#432:


The Wave Master posted...
The bad news is our dumb ass governor, and the dumb ass Mississippi Gaming Commission has decided to allow casinos to reopen at 50% capacity starting on Thursday

The unfortunate fact of life is that, no matter how unsafe it may be in the long run, we literally cannot afford to stay on full lockdown until everything is over, because that will absolutely take months, and by the time we all leave our houses the economy will be a smoking ruin and we'll all be forced to eat our neighbors and form feral tribes that wear rusty car parts for clothes.

Phased opening of businesses and public locations is pretty much an absolute must. The key is just doing it properly, so we continue keeping the curve flattened and don't overwhelm hospitals (ie, everyone ending quarantine all at once basically puts us right back at square one and the entirety of the last few months will effectively have been completely worthless).

Unfortunately, our entire political system has essentially left us with a government designed for extreme stances and token gestures, so for the most part it's incapable of handling things properly either on the federal or state level (and that's an institutional problem, not a political party problem).

I'd tend to agree that casinos shouldn't be the primary business rushing to high-priority returns to work, but I'm sure there are people who would disagree (casino owners, gambling addicts, casino employees who need to get back to work so they have money to eat, etc). But that's going to be the main problem in the coming weeks/months - justifying just which businesses should open and which should stay closed for now. Because it's easy to divide things into "essential" and "non-essential", but much more complicated to get everyone to agree on "pretty important" and "not so important".
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Metalsonic66
05/16/20 9:43:50 AM
#433:


Haunting at Hill House had some interesting twists and camera tricks

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Zeus
05/16/20 2:04:39 PM
#434:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Haunting at Hill House had some interesting twists and camera tricks

The Haunting of Hill House series was incredible by the end. That big twist was "whaaaaaaa?!". The only issue I have is the Bent-Neck Lady reveal, which makes no sense unless it was a hallucination.

I'm just disappointed that we have such a long wait before season 2, as well as the fact that it's basically going to be a new thing... as well as the fact that it's going to based on The Turn of the Screw / The Innocents. While I haven't read the novel, the first adaptation (The Innocents) was kinda lousy. It's supposed to be a psychology thriller but it lacks any real suspense and mystery. Overlooking the artistic elements, I kinda suspect that a lot of the acclaim was a product of its time or, conversely, that so many better works have come out that its elements look weak by comparison. (That said, the first movie based on The Haunting of Hill House -- simply called The Haunting -- also left me a bit disappointed, yet the series used that as a springboard to create something cool.)

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05/16/20 2:08:44 PM
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Zeus posted...
The only issue I have is the Bent-Neck Lady reveal, which makes no sense unless it was a hallucination.
It makes sense if you pay attention. The ghosts can apparently time travel.

That doesn't make it less weird and confusing though.

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05/16/20 2:14:20 PM
#436:


Metalsonic66 posted...
It makes sense if you pay attention. The ghosts can apparently time travel.

That doesn't make it less weird and confusing though.

That part of it is what doesn't make sense to me, especially since it creates a predestination paradox, which is a generally annoying paradox.

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05/16/20 2:16:08 PM
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Yeah it bugged me a bit but there are hints of it earlier in the show and it's somewhat confirmed by Nellie in the last episode

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Revelation34
05/16/20 2:49:56 PM
#438:


Eh I wound up buying Ace Attorney Trilogy last night. 11.99 due to my discounts on Humble Store and it was already on sale.
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05/17/20 12:32:41 PM
#439:


Zeus posted...
a predestination paradox, which is a generally annoying paradox.

Ehh, done well, I kind of like closed loops and predestination paradoxes.

I suppose it might stem from getting into Greek myth early in life, because half of those seem to involve an oracle making a prophecy that winds up being fulfilled solely because people tried to circumvent it. So my brain was already primed for the idea of time travelers causing the very thing they wanted to prevent, meaning they were always part of history without realizing it, implying that time is actually static and the past cannot be changed.

If anything, it's the simpler time travel methodology by far, since the alternative (being able to change the past) almost always needs to involve multiple branching timelines or the ability to overwrite history and potentially undo your own reality (which generally needs some form of handwaving to explain how you continue to exist or how it makes sense that you'd be able to alter the past if your new future prevents you from ever existing or inventing/gaining access to time travel in the first place).

Though the latter does support one of my favorite theories about time travel - namely, that any world in which time travel is invented would eventually change their own past in such a way as to undo the invention of time travel in their history, "locking" their timeline in place. So by definition, the mere possibility of time travel automatically prevents time travel. Every timeline or reality would autoselect for a history in which time travel is never invented, for whatever reason. Thus functionally making time travel impossible even if the laws of physics allow for its possibility.
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Zeus
05/17/20 5:33:00 PM
#440:


Mentioned this in the anime topic as well, but found that NF has the dub for the Parasyte anime now. The series is kinda neat for mixing scifi, horror, and superheroics.

The one thing I dislike is how the first episode differs from the manga. In the original, things basically happen in sequence -- we have an opening narration (the use of which has an old school scifi vibe) as spores fall from space, hatch snake-like creatures, and we see some people get infected, including how the hero inadvertently saves his own life. The anime just jumps all over the place, shows some kills right away, and sets up the hero saving himself as a kind of flashback.

The change doesn't really add anything to the story and, if anything, it hurts the overall narrative. I'm just not sure if they did to try to hook people with a mystery or they did it simply because they felt the beginning was too slow (kinda like how Uncharted 2 starts with the train scene... although Uncharted 2 was generally a mess that constantly jumped from one thing to the next)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I suppose it might stem from getting into Greek myth early in life, because half of those seem to involve an oracle making a prophecy that winds up being fulfilled solely because people tried to circumvent it. So my brain was already primed for the idea of time travelers causing the very thing they wanted to prevent, meaning they were always part of history without realizing it, implying that time is actually static and the past cannot be changed.

I'm fine with self-fulfilling prophecies -- especially when some were likely to happen anyway (although not everybody has an appointment in Samarra) -- but it just feels stupid when time travel is involved.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
If anything, it's the simpler time travel methodology by far, since the alternative (being able to change the past) almost always needs to involve multiple branching timelines or the ability to overwrite history and potentially undo your own reality (which generally needs some form of handwaving to explain how you continue to exist or how it makes sense that you'd be able to alter the past if your new future prevents you from ever existing or inventing/gaining access to time travel in the first place).

Not really true, you can simply contrive a change. If somebody goes back in time to save a person's life, they can do so by faking the death and either bringing that person safely to the future or hiding them in the present. That way the person still has motivation to go back in time while accomplishing his goal and without needing to create an alternate timeline because the inciting event still appears to remain the same.

In the case of The Haunting of Hill House, we have a character whose mental illness started with her future self terrorizing her past self. Her mental problems wouldn't exist without that, meaning that she wouldn't have died. Had the fact that ghosts could time-travel not been revealed, I might have just written off as the house fucking with her when she died. By contrast, there was an episode of the Twilight Zone in which a girl's future version tries to warn her past self where the warning -- which is never heard -- can't be seen as having much impact on the past self so you get the same effect without a paradox. Granted, then you have *another* TZ episode where a guy stumbles back in time and tries to talk to himself as a kid. He winds up injuring himself in the past -- which carries into his future -- but nothing significant really changes.

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Metalsonic66
05/17/20 9:13:07 PM
#441:


That description isn't entirely accurate. I can go into more detail later if you want.

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Zeus
05/17/20 11:20:15 PM
#442:


Her substance abuse was repeatedly blamed on trauma she received while in the house and the primary source of that trauma was... well, the same "entity" that continued to plague her after leaving the house. Unless I'm thinking more of her brother for the substance abuse (who in turn was plagued by "The Tall Man"). Either way, the entity and nobody believing her was blamed for the troubles.

It's been like 2 years since I watched it so some details are hazy. I'll probably rewatch it at some point, but it's much too recent to re-watch.

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Zeus
05/18/20 5:18:36 AM
#443:


wtf, the new She-Ra is already up to 5 seasons? How does *that* happen? >_<

If you're doing multiple "seasons" each year, should they really be called separate seasons? I saw season 1 back when it premiered and suspect the next time I watch the show it'll be up to season 10. Meanwhile where the fuck is my new He-Man series, NF?

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Metalsonic66
05/18/20 6:37:56 PM
#444:


Zeus posted...
It's been like 2 years since I watched it so some details are hazy. I'll probably rewatch it at some point, but it's much too recent to re-watch.
You're correct in that it is a paradox. But you are confusing her with Luke on the substance abuse bit. And a huge part of it was literally the house trolling them so that they would kill themselves inside the house and thus be trapped there as "food" for the house.

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I_Abibde
05/18/20 7:30:42 PM
#445:


Zeus posted...
If you're doing multiple "seasons" each year, should they really be called separate seasons?

This question keeps popping up in my head when I watch streaming stuff, too. Still pondering what the answer should be.

As for She-Ra, I seem to recall seeing that Season 5 was supposed to be the finale.

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Metalsonic66
05/18/20 7:33:09 PM
#446:


Yeah Season 5 is the end unless they bridge it into a He-Man spin-off.

The show isn't as good as the Voltron show but has been very solid in storytelling and characterization.

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Zeus
05/18/20 7:38:32 PM
#447:


Metalsonic66 posted...
The show isn't as good as the Voltron show but has been very solid in storytelling and characterization.

I guess that must be something that comes in later seasons since season 1 was kinda shaky in both regards.

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05/18/20 7:39:31 PM
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Season 1 was more introducing characters than fleshing them out much, yes.

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Zeus
05/18/20 9:02:29 PM
#449:


Decided to finally watch Gotham. In the process, I was briefly tempted to rewatch Avatar TLA since I guess NF has that now.

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SunWuKung420
05/18/20 9:09:10 PM
#450:


Anyone watch that "Parasite" anime? Pretty interesting stuff.

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