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Zeus posted...

No, just angry.

Plus I'm pretty sure that nickname was comics only where his reasoning wasn't nearly so flawed.

lol right

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Metalsonic66 posted...

lol right

Even though Thanos is said to be able to go toe to toe against Hulk even without the gauntlet, in this case "Mad" is more likely "crazy or insane" as opposed to "angry".

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Yes, obviously.

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WhiskeyDisc posted...

Even though Thanos is said to be able to go toe to toe against Hulk even without the gauntlet, in this case "Mad" is more likely "crazy or insane" as opposed to "angry".

A lot of characters can do that though.
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ChaosAzeroth posted...

His reason in the comics was... Pretty insane tbh.

Not really.

He basically grew up an alienated freak, with no real love for his family (considering his mother tried to kill him at birth, and his father mostly ignored him), then fell in love with the literal avatar of death itself, and has spent most of his life trying to impress her so she'd love him.

Yes, if someone in the real world told me that was their motivation, I'd be like "bitch be crazy", but in the Marvel universe Death is literally a person, can look really, really hot when she wants to, and multiple people have met her and interacted with her.

Can't even really say Thanos has a celebrity stalker vibe going on, because she appeared to him first, and deliberately groomed him into trying to prove himself to her.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Not really.

He basically grew up an alienated freak, with no real love for his family (considering his mother tried to kill him at birth, and his father mostly ignored him), then fell in love with the literal avatar of death itself, and has spent most of his life trying to impress her so she'd love him.

Yes, if someone in the real world told me that was their motivation, I'd be like "bitch be crazy", but in the Marvel universe Death is literally a person, can look really, really hot when she wants to, and multiple people have met her and interacted with her.

Can't even really say Thanos has a celebrity stalker vibe going on, because she appeared to him first, and deliberately groomed him into trying to prove himself to her.

I mean, kind of understandable but... It's hard to say that's the most mentally stable thing to do still. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

DC's Death of the Endless would never string a guy along like that, just sayin'.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

I mean, kind of understandable but... It's hard to say that's the most mentally stable thing to do still. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

I would argue that it's not really crazy, as much as it is undersocialized and overly "romantic".

The implied immorality of mass murder doesn't necessarily mean "crazy". It just means someone is operating on an entirely different moral framework from the people judging them. His perspective on the entire universe is radically different - and isn't necessarily wrong, all things considered. He lives in a reality where gods actually exist, and one of the two most powerful beings in existence has literally chosen him to be her paramour. Most of what he does revolves around that fact.

Thanos occasionally has moments bordering on megalomania, but that's about as close as he actually comes to traditional insanity most of the time. Part of what makes him so effective is that he IS relatively sane, and thus able to plan so far ahead and adapt to changing conditions.
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I would argue that he has issues relating to trauma and he's probably prone to irrational attachment but I'm not a therapist.

Even if not full on insane, he's mentally unstable.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I mean, kind of understandable but... It's hard to say that's the most mentally stable thing to do still. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Sociopathy is pretty distinct from delusional states. Sociopaths will have the same, full cognitive reasoning and coherency as most people, instead just lacking the same moral inhibitions as other people. It's a matter of insanity vs abnormality, a matter that may have first come to public attention via the Liepold & Loeb trial.

And, generally speaking, the only thing keeping ordinary citizens from mass murder is rule of law, moral compunctions, and lack of motive.

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I like to think that people are inherently good, but my life experiences tell me otherwise. I guess technically I'm insane because I keep thinking people are good, and all evidence suggest otherwise. Repeated hope is insane.

Thanos in the MCU is just a wounded kid that needs serious mental health help; because he never got over what happened to him as a kid. (Just like Batman)

That's why he didn't find a more useful or permanent solution to his plan once he got the Infinity Gauntlet. He didn't rationally think about how best to use this power, he only thought about how he could best prevent another child from suffering like he did.

Most childhood trauma victims never fully recover from their pain. We just learn to cope, but Thanos never did. I never got over my father attacking my mother as a kid. It's why any time a door opens I wake up ready to fight. My wife just doesn't close the doors in the house anymore. It's not rational, but it happens. It's also why they showed what happened to him as a kid. Clearly he's not thinking rationally, he's in pain.

Batman is a great parallel to this because going around in tights at night dressing like a bat, and punching other criminally insane people is not sane. They honestly don't go to jail when he does this, and they don't get the help they need either. It's much like me not closing doors, it's not logical, but it makes me feel better. A better use of his money and time would be to use his vast wealth to fund the health care system in Gothan, but it won't personally make him feel better.

In other words, I understand Thanos. I even like and understand what he did. Even if it didn't make sense on a grander scale. It was never about the end results, it was about him selfishly feeling better and not helpless.

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It would have been cool to have a hint of the Death obsession though. They had the "court death" line in Avengers but that was it. They could have even used Hela and tied it into Ragnarok

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Other things that still make me scratch my head about the MCU:
-Thanos was a big threat for years. If Captain Marysue was really working as an intergalactic crime-fighter, why didn't she do anything about him then? Back when he had his fleet, he wasn't exactly hard to find and was probably the biggest threat in the galaxy.
-At the end, Steve Rogers going back in time and returning to the same future as everybody else basically contradicts the entire alternate reality theory. But at the same time, you have other incidents where the past changed (such as Thanos leaving it) where the future is unchanged. And supposedly the version of Loki who stole the Cosmic Cube.. erm, Tesseract in the past will return and be the "current' version of Loki. How does that work on any level?
-Plus if this was to permanently impact timelines causing them to splinter, wouldn't those timelines be better off for *not* having the Infinity Stones? If Thanos is missing even one stone, he can't complete the Snap. And, within the context of the story, it's strongly suggested that he had only made his move BECAUSE he had finally located all of the stones at once since he didn't begin the process until he had extracted information from Nebula regarding the Soul Stone

And, in retrospect, I'm happy that I wound up delaying IW & EG to watch WS first since it made that elevator scene so much better. ... although it simultaneously introduces another problem, since if Cap was trying to put things right by returning the stones, he also made it seem that he was already on Hydra's side -- something that Cap never was -- which, at the very least, runs into the problem where Hydra thinks that they've been exposed which impacts the status quo.

Also I'm kicking myself for not picking up Marvel vs Capcom Origins (which apparently has been off psn since 2014), which I hadn't realized included a port of Marvel Superheroes That's what I fucking hate about digital releases, gone is just gone.

The Wave Master posted...

I like to think that people are inherently good, but my life experiences tell me otherwise. I guess technically I'm insane because I keep thinking people are good, and all evidence suggest otherwise. Repeated hope is insane.

Thanos in the MCU is just a wounded kid that needs serious mental health help; because he never got over what happened to him as a kid. (Just like Batman)

That's why he didn't find a more useful or permanent solution to his plan once he got the Infinity Gauntlet. He didn't rationally think about how best to use this power, he only thought about how he could best prevent another child from suffering like he did.

Nothing in the MCU version suggests that he was bullied as a kid. Instead, he explains his backstory as seeing the impacts of limited resources on his own population and the devastation it caused. The only reason people "laughed" at him was his prediction, which ultimately turned out to be right. Even within the context of that backstory and motivation is an implicit recognition of population growth since the growth was the problem. He had no mechanism to control growth.

Metalsonic66 posted...

It would have been cool to have a hint of the Death obsession though. They had the "court death" line in Avengers but that was it. They could have even used Hela and tied it into Ragnarok

Kinda seems like it'd have to be an all-or-nothing kind of deal. Speaking of Hela, I had been wondering if she could have beat Thanos.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

It would have been cool to have a hint of the Death obsession though. They had the "court death" line in Avengers but that was it. They could have even used Hela and tied it into Ragnarok

Lady Death may have been tied up in the rights package for Deadpool.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Lady Death may have been tied up in the rights package for Deadpool.

Not a chance, because that's not how rights work.

If anything, she'd have been tied to Captain Marvel.
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Speaking of, why wasn't Thanos tied to Fox? Fox had the Fantastic Four and a lot of other cosmic shit, like Ego the Living Planet.

At any rate, now that Fox is under DIsney's umbrella, I'm hoping that the Fantastic Four will get a proper reboot and the MCU will get a real Doom. I'm kinda okay with X-Men still going the same route, although I like College Humor's idea of a standalone Jubilee movie.

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Zeus posted...

Speaking of, why wasn't Thanos tied to Fox? Fox had the Fantastic Four and a lot of other cosmic shit, like Ego the Living Planet.

It's mostly tied to where a character first debuted. Which is actually why the FF had so many major characters tied to them that weren't obviously FF characters (like Kang, who in later years became much more of an Avengers antagonist). And why Marvel basically stopped making new mutant/X-Men characters (or at least stopped debuting them in the X-Men books), because those defaulted to Fox automatically.

Thanos actually debuted in Iron Man, so he was safe from Fox. But either way, he was always more of an Avengers villain as well (when he wasn't busy being a Captain Marvel/Warlock/Silver Surfer villain).

Also, Fox never had Ego. Ego was a Thor character for rights purposes.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Also, Fox never had Ego. Ego was a Thor character for rights purposes.

https://collider.com/deadpool-guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-character-trade-marvel/

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That seems extremely odd, then, because Ego did debut in Thor, and showed up there like a half-dozen times before ever showing up in FF even once. And even when he did show up in FF, he was there for two issues and then never showed up there again (though he later become a major Silver Surfer/Quasar character).

http://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_Vol_1_133

I'm kind of curious what bullshit justification put him in the FF rights, because it doesn't actually make sense by any argument I can think of.
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Oh, plus what was the story with the Asgardian refugees on Earth in EG? When Thanos wrecked their ship in IW, the only person who was recovered afterward was Thor. What, did Thanos take passengers to safety or some shit?

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Thanos didn't kill all the Asgardians

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Zeus posted...

Sociopathy is pretty distinct from delusional states. Sociopaths will have the same, full cognitive reasoning and coherency as most people, instead just lacking the same moral inhibitions as other people. It's a matter of insanity vs abnormality,

Fair enough.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Thanos didn't kill all the Asgardians

He blew up the ship. None of them should have survived including Thor for that matter.
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Revelation34 posted...

He blew up the ship. None of them should have survived including Thor for that matter.

Before the ship blew a bunch of them escaped

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1 hour and 19 minutes into Wreck-It-Ralph last night, the twist finally clicked. (Because I was thinking that a game reset could get rid of the Cy-Bots (when Jane Lynch's character mentioned the game was doomed and they suddenly appeared) and then that any characters who shouldn't be in the game might be hurt... and then suddenly it occurred to me that King Candy was actually Turbo. Honestly I'm not sure why I didn't spot it sooner given how many times they Checkov's Gunned that backstory)

Granted, the whole "Going Turbo" shit was fucking confusing because the first time we hear it used, the phrase is said by M. Bison... and I'm not sure why they thought it was a good idea, considering that a number of Street Fighter games had Turbo in the title and up until the backstory, I thought it was just a reference to that. It's a movie that's kinda built around the arcade scene so it was a fucking weird choice on the part of the creators.

It was a good twist... although it sucks that I saw it a little early, even if it was only about 5 minutes before the reveal came. (Granted, there was a bit of a set-up that didn't really come up until close to that point.)

Metalsonic66 posted...

Before the ship blew a bunch of them escaped

When did this come up in the plot? And how did they escape? And why wouldn't Valkyrie have stayed behind?

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I forget exactly where I heard this - whether it was said in the films, was in some secondary source, one of the directors mentioning it, etc - but Thanos basically did his whole "I only kill half a population" deal and let half the Asgardians escape after he got what he wanted.

I remember this because my reaction at the time was "It kind of seems like a prick move to kill off half of them when they've almost certainly already lost more than half their population evacuating Asgard, so he's kind of breaking his own rule because he's overculling them."

I know that came up before Endgame came out, because I wasn't surprised to see them there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_waSnIKRTto
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The worst thing about getting a brand new phone is having to switch everything over. The best thing is that this phone is slock and cool, and the screen resolution is incredible.

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VII remake is decent so far. Very much feels like an Elseworlds story though

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It's a little weird that Kung Fu Hustle is available dubbed in just about every language except English on NF. That's gotta be one crazy licensing deal. Wound up rewatching just the good parts the other night (shit kinda slows down when it goes into the thief's backstory, etc). I had ranked it as being among my favorite movies, but... idk, I did wind up skipping parts.

Also decided to try 100%ing SMB3. Had my first gameover in W3 (water world) on one of those fucking Big Bertha levels. I couldn't remember how gameovers worked, but I guess that's why beating forts takes down gates. Everything resets except broken gates, destroyed obstacles, and defeated forts. Prior to that, I couldn't figure out the point of those stupid pipes linking parts of the level.

At any rate, after the gameover, I was debating replaying all of the stages I'd already beat, but then figured if I had a way around the ones I won, I'd just use that. My goal is just to clear everything once (and I was going to avoid using the menu power-ups; however, I kinda caved and used a frog suit to complete 3-8 which made it way easier)

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The Wave Master posted...

I like to think that people are inherently good, but my life experiences tell me otherwise

I would buy that most people are "good" instead of "bad", charitable instead of cruel.

My problem is I tend to think almost all humans aside from me are morons or heavily flawed, which leads to them doing thing that are bad/cruel, but due to ignorance instead of malice. The means don't really get points though, since the end is still that a lot of society is an annoying and miserable place because the people that inhabit it are moronic and selfish.

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I think I have never had a problem playing through Mario 3 other than the spooky empty fortress in World 7 and the airship levels in 8.

Kung Fu Hustle should be watched undubbed

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It seems I'll be revisiting a number of old favorite things. YT had a copy of the 2011 Albertson Theatre performance of Phantom of the Opera, which holds up amazingly well even with the casting changes (although a large part of that might have been Sierra Bogess's performance as Christine; I should note that she also played Ariel in the Broadway run of The Little Mermaid which I've been meaning to check out since seeing its take on "Poor Unfortunate Souls"). The musical is every bit as good as I remembered... although it's worth noting that while I haven't seen the play in at least 15 years, I tend to listen the cast recording every now and again.

The event culminated in a celebration afterward that saw 4-5 Phantom actors singing with Sarah Brightman, who originated the role of Christine back when Andrew Lloyd Weber was still married to her (a fact I only learned yesterday)

Korruptor posted...

I think I have never had a problem playing through Mario 3 other than the spooky empty fortress in World 7 and the airship levels in 8.

I find that while the difficulty is on the lighter side for most levels, it's easy to make small botches at times. I will say that the 1up system is absurdly generous. You're basically guaranteed an extra life every 3 normal stages, in addition to being able to get them from several other means. That I hit a gameover at all was surprising.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Kung Fu Hustle should be watched undubbed

I've seen both the sub and dub multiple times and greatly prefer the dub. As a campy comedy, it benefits from the dub.

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Zeus posted...

back when Andrew Lloyd Weber was still married to her (a fact I only learned yesterday)

Oddly, that's one of the first things I ever learned about her as a person, and to this day is one of the very few things I actually know about her.

"She was Christine, she was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber, she originated the role of Christine because he basically wrote it with her in mind, they always say they're still really close friends in spite of getting divorced, and... she's a soprano" is about the extent of what I can say about her.



Zeus posted...

I've seen both the sub and dub multiple times and greatly prefer the dub. As a campy comedy, it benefits from the dub.

Is the difference between the sub and dub as dramatic as the difference between the sub and dub of Shaolin Soccer?
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I would buy that most people are "good" instead of "bad", charitable instead of cruel.

My problem is I tend to think almost all humans aside from me are morons or heavily flawed, which leads to them doing thing that are bad/cruel, but due to ignorance instead of malice. The means don't really get points though, since the end is still that a lot of society is an annoying and miserable place because the people that inhabit it are moronic and selfish.

idk, everybody is awful these days. It's enough to make anyone crazy.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Oddly, that's one of the first things I ever learned about her as a person, and to this day is one of the very few things I actually know about her.

"She was Christine, she was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber, she originated the role of Christine because he basically wrote it with her in mind, they always say they're still really close friends in spite of getting divorced, and... she's a soprano" is about the extent of what I can say about her.

Prior to this, all I knew is that she was the most famous Christine and had a solo career on top of it.... and some of her stuff is actually pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN5CbmjebPg

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Is the difference between the sub and dub as dramatic as the difference between the sub and dub of Shaolin Soccer?

Given that I haven't watched back-to-back the sub vs the dub of Kung Fu Hustle, I can't necessarily comment to the difference beyond the performances seeming far more comedic in the dub. As for Shaolin Soccer, I've only seen one version and it was a considerable time ago so many of the details are hazy. It's fully possible that I haven't seen the whole thing.

Speaking of differences and music, I also recently watched part of the Chicago edition of The Addams Family musical, which apparently was vastly different from the later Broadway run right down to the opening number ("Clandango" in place of "When You're an Addams"; although "Clandango" is in many ways the cooler song and more appropriate to the musical, I can understand the switch since "When You're an Addams" is more in keeping with the Addams Family theme and therefore resonates more with fans of the franchise whereas "Clandango" was a somewhat bolder direction.)

Unfortunately, they apparently never did a cast recording for that version I guess I'm stuck with the live recording.

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Had my second SMB3 gameover in w6. Mostly because I kept trying to do stupid shit which cost me lives then botched something ridiculous (the frog suit power-up is a liability on a lot of levels >_<)

In other news, I've been trying to figure out the password for some accounts I haven't used in a while and realized I'm not even sure what email they were connected to. After that, I went into some older emails, noticed somebody had been trying to hack other accounts via recovery questions (which, had they known the email address, they might have been able to do at one point since I had a Yahoo account where Yahoo had kinda expunged the damn thing so they could have created a new account with that info and successfully recovered it).

Going forward, I'm going to basically be Yahoo-free, which just seems sensible after all their issues (I think PO and Pionear might be the last two people in the world relying on Yahoo services.) I noticed I got some emails about some lawsuit regarding Yahoo, but the only payout to me would be credit monitoring (unless I could prove I had monitoring services) unless I could demonstrate damages, so I'm not really reading any further into that.

Prior to this, I had just used the obscurity of old Yahoo accounts as basically safe holdovers, but repeated repeated email hacks and account purges have shown it can't even be trusted for that.


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I have watched a playthrough of Nomura Fantasy VII. The game is pretty, and the combat looks fine. However, should I feel the need to play FFVII again, I will gladly play FFVII and not this thing that's been peddled to us as its remake, no matter how close it is for much of Nomura Fantasy VII's duration. The whole fight against destiny and its cloaked whispers thing gives me a headache half as bad as FFXV's ending.

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I really don't have anything to add; except that my wife makes me listen to Phantom of the Opera, and now she no longer has to make me.

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I've been a fan of Phantom since I sang it in high school chorus.

I'm not hugely into showtunes, per se (unlike my gay cousin), but I love Phantom, Les Mis, and Fiddler on the Roof. And I'm kind of okay with Aspects of Love.

And Chess. Oh, so much love for Chess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutDgLmx-SQ
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Some of the music re-arrangements in the remake are amazeballs

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'm not hugely into showtunes, per se (unlike my gay cousin), but I love Phantom, Les Mis, and Fiddler on the Roof. And I'm kind of okay with Aspects of Love.

Phantom got me into showtunes twice, but Hamilton is responsible for my most recent and longest kick. After first hearing "The Schuyler Sisters" on NPR, I spent several hours trying to track down what musical it belonged to and -- in the process -- kept passing by Hamilton as an option because I assumed it couldn't have been that (probably because I had heard LMM's early rap at the White House and thought him incapable of anything this good)

And it's worth noting that my first two showtune kicks ended because few things are anywhere near as good as Phantom (including the other Broadway plays I saw roughly within that time-frame). And while few things are as good as Phantom and Hamilton, this time around I could appreciate some of the other stuff I started listening to afterward, like Wicked, Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, The Producers (which I hadn't liked the first time I saw the film -- although part of that is my dislike for Matthew Broderick who feels out of place in everything -- but enjoyed the cast recording). etc, which prolonged my interest.

Phantom had something of a natural appeal given its macabre nature. Prior to seeing it on Broadway (twice), I first saw a local production which was the first time I enjoyed a play. Then of course Hamilton had something of a natural appeal for telling a story solely through the soundtrack and ostentatiously being historical in nature (even if LMM took tremendous liberties with the facts and painted the scoundrel Hamilton almost as a saint)

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As much as people praise the hell out of Hamilton, pretty much every single thing about it is a huge turn-off for me.

I'd probably be more neutral on it, but the excessive praise tends to make me reflexively go the opposite way, until my dislike becomes more visceral.

It probably doesn't help that my taste in stage music tends to either gravitate towards the 80s sound or gothic German opera like Der Ring des Nibelungen. Anything with a whiff of the 70s aesthetic (stuff like Jesus Christ Superstar) tends to leave me very, very cold. And I kind of see that same aesthetic in Hamilton, albeit a more modern version of it.
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Zeus posted...

The Producers (which I hadn't liked the first time I saw the film -- although part of that is my dislike for Matthew Broderick who feels out of place in everything -- but enjoyed the cast recording)

You could try the original movie

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

As much as people praise the hell out of Hamilton, pretty much every single thing about it is a huge turn-off for me.

I'd probably be more neutral on it, but the excessive praise tends to make me reflexively go the opposite way, until my dislike becomes more visceral.

Had I known it was from Hamilton rather than having a completely open mind (or a mostly open one), I probably would have been "turned off" even though this was still when Hamilton was in its first-wave popularity well before it had become a household name. Granted, I've never been adamantly opposed to rap in general (even though I've never been much of a fan), which might also factor into it. (Although even though Hamilton is known more for rap, a lot of its songs don't even come close to fitting into musical genre -- the almost painfully slow "Burn" being an obvious example.)

Metalsonic66 posted... You could try the original movie

I wish I had instead of seeing the newer one.

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The Book of Mormon is really good

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Other than "Hello," "Making Things Up Again," "I Believe," and the opening sequence, I wasn't a fan. I also had the misfortune of seeing it on YT a few weeks before seeing it on Broadway (because, at that point, I figured I wouldn't ever see it on Broadway).

I absolutely loved Young Frankenstein, though, and was more than a little disappointed to discover that Mel Brooks's original movie wasn't a musical and had very little in common with the later musical.

I was also pleasantly surprised by Sister Act: The Musical (at least the cast recording, I haven't seen the full play) and, before that, Legally Blonde: The Musical. That said, I find myself skipping at least a third of Legally Blonde's cast recording whereas I can't recall one song I usually skip on Sister Act.

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Zeus posted...

Other than "Hello," "Making Things Up Again," "I Believe," and the opening sequence, I wasn't a fan.

The only ones I didn't care for were "I Am Here for You" and "I Am Africa". Everything else was gold

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Zeus posted...

I wish I had instead of seeing the newer one.

It's honestly not that great. It's one of Mel Brooks' weaker films (at least prior to Dracula: Dead and Loving it).
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's honestly not that great. It's one of Mel Brooks' weaker films (at least prior to Dracula: Dead and Loving it).

I'm pretty sure Dracula: D&LI was Mel Brooks's real-life attempt at a Producers-style scam.

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