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Revelation34 04/07/20 10:07:04 PM #201:	Zeus posted... (since I'm not going to try to track down Homecoming) Pretty easy to find. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:936980387] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>(since I'm not going to try to track down Homecoming) </quote> Pretty easy to find.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/07/20 11:01:08 PM #202:	The beat part of Guardians of the Galaxy was the soundt3ack. My parents would listen to a lot of Motown growing up, and the music from the first two films hit home for me. After all, it's not Motown exactly, but my brother is named Prince. I got the normal name, Wave, and he hot the messed up name, Primce. They did a lot of drugs and alcohol back in the day. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:936983124] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>The beat part of Guardians of the Galaxy was the soundt3ack. My parents would listen to a lot of Motown growing up, and the music from the first two films hit home for me. After all, it's not Motown exactly, but my brother is named Prince. I got the normal name, Wave, and he hot the messed up name, Primce. They did a lot of drugs and alcohol back in the day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/08/20 5:09:28 AM #203:	I could never relate to the GotG soundtracks - the films emphasize really hard how Peter left Earth in the late 1980s, and then they stuff the soundtrack full of 70s songs. And as strong as my love for the 80s has always been, it glows even brighter in contrast to my distaste for most things 70s. I get why they did it (Peter's mom gave him the tape of her favorite songs, so it makes sense she'd be hopelessly out of touch with popular music). But it still results in a soundtrack I have almost no nostalgia for, and which I'm likely never going to see as much more than somewhat mediocre (at best). I was hoping they might eventually move out of the 70s and into the 80s (especially when he got his mom's second tape), but I have a sneaking suspicion when they eventually do GotG3, they're going to skip over the 80s entirely. Kraglin gave Peter a Zune, which means it had to come from the late 2000s, which means they can justify filling it with late 90s and early 2000s songs. Or conversely, they'll just use mostly 70s songs again. Though after seeing how Captain Marvel hamfisted its music into the film (I think I shouted "IT'S THE 1990'S, GET IT?! DO YOU GET IT?!?!" at least a half-dozen times watching that movie), I almost kind of hope they scale back on the GotG music a bit, and make it less of a presence in the film (ie, keep it more as background, and not trying to build entire scenes around it like with Ego and "Brandy", which was kind of cringy to me). Or maybe it just annoys me because I'm actually a few years older than Quill was supposed to be in the movies, and I spent the entirety of the 80s listening to New Wave, Brit Pop, Synthpop, 80s club, and Glam Metal. My space adventures would sound totally different, damn it! --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:936994391] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I could never relate to the GotG soundtracks - the films emphasize really hard how Peter left Earth in the late 1980s, and then they stuff the soundtrack full of 70s songs. And as strong as my love for the 80s has always been, it glows even brighter in contrast to my distaste for most things 70s. I get why they did it (Peter's mom gave him the tape of her favorite songs, so it makes sense she'd be hopelessly out of touch with popular music). But it still results in a soundtrack I have almost no nostalgia for, and which I'm likely never going to see as much more than somewhat mediocre (at best). I was hoping they might eventually move out of the 70s and into the 80s (especially when he got his mom's second tape), but I have a sneaking suspicion when they eventually do GotG3, they're going to skip over the 80s entirely. Kraglin gave Peter a Zune, which means it had to come from the late 2000s, which means they can justify filling it with late 90s and early 2000s songs. Or conversely, they'll just use mostly 70s songs again. Though after seeing how Captain Marvel hamfisted its music into the film (I think I shouted "IT'S THE 1990'S, GET IT?! DO YOU GET IT?!?!" at least a half-dozen times watching that movie), I almost kind of hope they scale back on the GotG music a bit, and make it less of a presence in the film (ie, keep it more as background, and not trying to build entire scenes around it like with Ego and "Brandy", which was kind of cringy to me). Or maybe it just annoys me because I'm actually a few years older than Quill was supposed to be in the movies, and I spent the entirety of the 80s listening to New Wave, Brit Pop, Synthpop, 80s club, and Glam Metal. My space adventures would sound totally different, damn it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/08/20 5:37:50 AM #204:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Or maybe it just annoys me because I'm actually a few years older than Quill was supposed to be in the movies, and I spent the entirety of the 80s listening to New Wave, Brit Pop, Synthpop, 80s club, and Glam Metal. My space adventures would sound totally different, damn it! So a John Hughes film soundtrack? --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:936994935] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Or maybe it just annoys me because I'm actually a few years older than Quill was supposed to be in the movies, and I spent the entirety of the 80s listening to New Wave, Brit Pop, Synthpop, 80s club, and Glam Metal. My space adventures would sound totally different, damn it!</quote> So a John Hughes film soundtrack? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/08/20 7:50:34 AM #205:	WhiskeyDisk posted... So a John Hughes film soundtrack? Ironically, no - I was never really into John Hughes. I was a bit too young to relate to 80s teen shenanigans. I was more in The Goonies sort of demographic. Even more ironically, by the time I WAS a teen, most teen stuff was geared towards the Grunge or Skater kids, and I hated both of those subcultures, so I never really related to my actual teen experience either. I've always been a man (or boy) out of time. If I was going to come up with a Quill-esque soundtrack (and now I half feel like trying to do it), it'd probably closer to what you see on Billboard's Top 40 albums (specifically, 1985-1988) - and it goes without saying, I have the entire decade's worth of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1985 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1986 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1987 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1988 I actually have about half those songs copied on my 360's hard-drive, and had them as part of a playlist I used to listen to when playing Saints Row (which, come to think of it, means I've already sort of made a Quill-esque sci-fi adventure mixtape playlist). For the full experience, you need at least a few 80's dance club songs. Stuff with this sort of sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0sUuGufmw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kssol0leTWA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc5Sm4iRtxs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs5StN8J-0 And it'd probably be sprinkled with a bit of Depeche Mode (my favorite band), Erasure (I have memories of singing Chains of Love on the schoolbus in middle school), and maybe a few songs like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud6sU3AclT4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWd__w5UWVc And unlike Quill, if I'm going to be listening to Fleetwood Mac, it would probably be this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0 And as for ELO? Yeah, probably one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9YIfEzXSHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYIYuBV13A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KInsKNZV4IQ Of course, those have already been on a movie soundtrack... but who says you can't double-dip? Speaking of which, there's probably a few other songs I could probably steal from other films of the era, or at least which sort of represent the kind of sound I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxrwImCJCqk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1e1JW_1DDw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAuL_noJLoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmrHTdXgK4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSaFqiNHng Though generally speaking, I'd probably also have to try and slip in at least one of my traditional top three favorite 80s songs: #3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b52bFiltuA #2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRKT6T0QLg #1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwqa3QCwMw And then, finally, here's a little cherry on top for the whole mess, plus a bit of an unexpected curveball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CY9ZZBQM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZ_DFRw2iY Basically, I was ruined as a kid because I lived near NYC, and we had all the NYC radio stations, so when I'd go to bed I'd lay awake listening to Z100, which played a lot of modern (at the time) Top 40 and dance club music. Which may be why I used to love going to The Culture Club in NYC, in spite of the fact that it was trying to recapture the nostalgia of a club era that happened when I was like 8. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:936997630] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>So a John Hughes film soundtrack? </quote> Ironically, no - I was never really into John Hughes. I was a bit too young to relate to 80s teen shenanigans. I was more in The Goonies sort of demographic. Even more ironically, by the time I WAS a teen, most teen stuff was geared towards the Grunge or Skater kids, and I hated both of those subcultures, so I never really related to my actual teen experience either. I've always been a man (or boy) out of time. If I was going to come up with a Quill-esque soundtrack (and now I half feel like trying to do it), it'd probably closer to what you see on Billboard's Top 40 albums (specifically, 1985-1988) - and it goes without saying, I have the entire decade's worth of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1985 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1986 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1987 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Top_Hits:_1988 I actually have about half those songs copied on my 360's hard-drive, and had them as part of a playlist I used to listen to when playing Saints Row (which, come to think of it, means I've already sort of made a Quill-esque sci-fi adventure mixtape playlist). For the full experience, you need at least a few 80's dance club songs. Stuff with this sort of sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-0sUuGufmw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kssol0leTWA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc5Sm4iRtxs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs5StN8J-0 And it'd probably be sprinkled with a bit of Depeche Mode (my favorite band), Erasure (I have memories of singing Chains of Love on the schoolbus in middle school), and maybe a few songs like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud6sU3AclT4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWd__w5UWVc And unlike Quill, if I'm going to be listening to Fleetwood Mac, it would probably be this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0 And as for ELO? Yeah, probably one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9YIfEzXSHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYIYuBV13A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KInsKNZV4IQ Of course, those have already been on a movie soundtrack... but who says you can't double-dip? Speaking of which, there's probably a few other songs I could probably steal from other films of the era, or at least which sort of represent the kind of sound I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxrwImCJCqk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1e1JW_1DDw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAuL_noJLoo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmrHTdXgK4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSaFqiNHng Though generally speaking, I'd probably also have to try and slip in at least one of my traditional top three favorite 80s songs: #3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b52bFiltuA #2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkRKT6T0QLg #1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwqa3QCwMw And then, finally, here's a little cherry on top for the whole mess, plus a bit of an unexpected curveball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv4CY9ZZBQM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZ_DFRw2iY Basically, I was ruined as a kid because I lived near NYC, and we had all the NYC radio stations, so when I'd go to bed I'd lay awake listening to Z100, which played a lot of modern (at the time) Top 40 and dance club music. Which may be why I used to love going to The Culture Club in NYC, in spite of the fact that it was trying to recapture the nostalgia of a club era that happened when I was like 8.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/08/20 2:28:39 PM #206:	Watched GoG2 last night, which was a metric fuckton better than GoG1. The opening was amazing, the recurring gags hit rather than flopped (~~"It's not ripe"~~), the space battles were more fun, and the group played off each other a lot better. Plus Kurt Russell was amazing as Ego. The only downside is that the whole Rocket/Yondu story felt like a b-side just to keep the other characters busy while the main story was unfolding. That said, it was still a lot of fun with some heartfelt moments in there. Plus Yondo's arrow looked even cooler than in the first film. The only other thing that bugged me was the whole "Your thing is swords" when I don't remember ever seeing Gamora use a sword in the first film (which I literally watched just two nights ago; if it was was there, it wasn't used much). It felt like an awkward way to establish the fact she had a sword and would be using one. Revelation34 posted... Pretty easy to find. Perhaps I should specify that I mean legally and at no added cost to myself -- ie, a streaming service, co-worker, or friend. I generally refuse to pay more than buck or two to buy a movie nowadays and, at the moment, that's not going to happen with HC. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937016479] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Watched GoG2 last night, which was a metric fuckton better than GoG1. The opening was amazing, the recurring gags hit rather than flopped ("It's not ripe"), the space battles were more fun, and the group played off each other a lot better. Plus Kurt Russell was amazing as Ego. The only downside is that the whole Rocket/Yondu story felt like a b-side just to keep the other characters busy while the main story was unfolding. That said, it was still a lot of fun with some heartfelt moments in there. Plus Yondo's arrow looked even cooler than in the first film. The only other thing that bugged me was the whole "Your thing is swords" when I don't remember ever seeing Gamora use a sword in the first film (which I literally watched just two nights ago; if it was was there, it wasn't used much). It felt like an awkward way to establish the fact she had a sword and would be using one. Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty easy to find.</quote> Perhaps I should specify that I mean legally and at no added cost to myself -- ie, a streaming service, co-worker, or friend. I generally refuse to pay more than buck or two to buy a movie nowadays and, at the moment, that's not going to happen with HC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/08/20 5:30:57 PM #207:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Kraglin gave Peter a Zune, which means it had to come from the late 2000s, which means they can justify filling it with late 90s and early 2000s songs. Or conversely, they'll just use mostly 70s songs again. It was a joke about the Zune being discontinued in the real world. It's an alternate reality where the Zune was never discontinued. Plus he can go back to Earth easily now which means he can fill it up with songs from any decade. Zeus posted... Perhaps I should specify that I mean legally and at no added cost to myself -- ie, a streaming service, co-worker, or friend. I generally refuse to pay more than buck or two to buy a movie nowadays and, at the moment, that's not going to happen with HC. I mean if it isn't available anywhere else I see nothing wrong with that. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:937027369] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Kraglin gave Peter a Zune, which means it had to come from the late 2000s, which means they can justify filling it with late 90s and early 2000s songs. Or conversely, they'll just use mostly 70s songs again.</quote> It was a joke about the Zune being discontinued in the real world. It's an alternate reality where the Zune was never discontinued. Plus he can go back to Earth easily now which means he can fill it up with songs from any decade. Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Perhaps I should specify that I mean legally and at no added cost to myself -- ie, a streaming service, co-worker, or friend. I generally refuse to pay more than buck or two to buy a movie nowadays and, at the moment, that's not going to happen with HC.</quote> I mean if it isn't available anywhere else I see nothing wrong with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/08/20 7:00:18 PM #208:	I started compiling a list of songs my wife said defined her childhood like Starlord. She's 3 years older than I am, and grew up in the country. I'm a city boy, city scum or dweller as she calls it, and our music varies a lot within that 3 year difference. It also varies a lot because obviously I grew up with parents who loved Motown and R&B (I'm Black), and she grew up with more country music and pop/alternative. (She's as pale as a ghost) I didn't grow into my own until I was high school college age. 3 years and a change of scenery makes a huge difference in our musical selection. I'm sure it will change yours a lot too. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:937032453] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I started compiling a list of songs my wife said defined her childhood like Starlord. She's 3 years older than I am, and grew up in the country. I'm a city boy, city scum or dweller as she calls it, and our music varies a lot within that 3 year difference. It also varies a lot because obviously I grew up with parents who loved Motown and R&B (I'm Black), and she grew up with more country music and pop/alternative. (She's as pale as a ghost) I didn't grow into my own until I was high school college age. 3 years and a change of scenery makes a huge difference in our musical selection. I'm sure it will change yours a lot too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/09/20 4:23:45 PM #209:	Revelation34 posted... It was a joke about the Zune being discontinued in the real world. It's an alternate reality where the Zune was never discontinued. That's not the joke. They're still in a universe where the Zune was a bust. The joke is that he tells him "This is what everybody back on Earth is listening to", when we know literally no one is listening to it. So Quill is basically replacing one obsolete music device with another, and still doesn't realize it. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937084587] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>It was a joke about the Zune being discontinued in the real world. It's an alternate reality where the Zune was never discontinued.</quote> That's not the joke. They're still in a universe where the Zune was a bust. The joke is that he tells him "This is what everybody back on Earth is listening to", when we know literally no one is listening to it. So Quill is basically replacing one obsolete music device with another, and still doesn't realize it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/09/20 4:44:29 PM #210:	Watched Captain Marysue last night and, honestly, up until the third act it wasn't that bad. I will say that Mary Sue Danver's hero's journey is pretty shitty compared to the other MCU heroes because they subvert the whole "you have to learn to control your emotions" story arc and replace it with a "you were perfect all along, but you just had to recognize your inner awesomeness and ignore everybody else because they were haters!" moral. Granted, the move was foreshadowed by the near-constant habit of showing us various micro-aggressions and perceived barriers. And, of course, it all culminated in that final act of "fempowerment" when rather than face a man on his terms and beat him at his own game, she merely blasts him -- a decision easily telegraphed and, rather than seeming a pivotal recognition, is more in keeping with the impetuous trainee who already blasted him once when she couldn't win Compare this to Thor 1 where Thor learns humility and is taken down to the level of a mortal, gets beaten, and ultimately becomes worthy of wielding his hammer again. Compare this to Iron Man where the shallow, self-absorbed Tony Stark comes to recognize the harm his weapons are causing and starts to act in the greater good. Hell, even compare this to Black Panther where T'Challa is forced to recognize his father's faults and how cutting themselves off from the world has... well, the takeaway there is a little spotty. It's a mix of isolationism didn't actually keep them safe (although you have to overlook ~~that the reason why it didn't keep them safe is because they were venturing out into the world where members of their society were becoming radicalized~~) and that they had a moral obligation to help black people everywhere because they able to do so. Okay, not a great film, but still, T'Challa had more of a narrative arc which included a fall from grace. I'm going to chalk up part of the problem to the fact that Captain Marysue never really feels powerless -- in the current events -- in the film. Other than being surprised by a taser at the beginning, she never really loses any fights and barely seems to struggle. Even with her hands cuffed, she beats down a squadron of Skrulls. And the closest her enemies come to victory is managing to successfully run away. That said, the whole ~~getting up and trying again~~ theme was nice. I guess it's a good moral for a kids movie... oh wait, they explicitly curse in this (~~"Am I supposed to guess what that means?" "Your ass!"~~). That's not really so good for the kids >_> And, of course, in true keeping with the Mary Sue-ness of the film, the end reveals that this is both the backstory for how Fury loses his eye (which I get is for laughs, but it's still stupid) and credits the Avengers' team name to having been inspired by her nickname. And speaking of nicknames, at the end of IM1 Tony suggests just calling Fury's organization SHIELD. However, they're already doing that throughout this film and, by saying the name in public, suggesting that it's a commonly-known thing. All things considered, I'll admit that Brie Larson warned us when she said something along the lines of, "This movie isn't for cis-het males," and that most people I talked to had a negative opinion of it. It's really my fault for getting my hopes up for a while. It's really my fault for getting my hopes up early on into the film... and given the spoilers at the end, I guess I really should have watched this in between IW and EG, which is another reason why I hate this film since it kinda breaks up the two by mentioning ~~something about Fury dying (or going missing?)~~ in IW. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937085848] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Watched Captain Marysue last night and, honestly, up until the third act it wasn't that bad. I will say that Mary Sue Danver's hero's journey is pretty shitty compared to the other MCU heroes because they subvert the whole "you have to learn to control your emotions" story arc and replace it with a "you were perfect all along, but you just had to recognize your inner awesomeness and ignore everybody else because they were haters!" moral. Granted, the move was foreshadowed by the near-constant habit of showing us various micro-aggressions and perceived barriers. And, of course, it all culminated in that final act of "fempowerment" when rather than face a man on his terms and beat him at his own game, she merely blasts him -- a decision easily telegraphed and, rather than seeming a pivotal recognition, is more in keeping with the impetuous trainee who already blasted him once when she couldn't win Compare this to Thor 1 where Thor learns humility and is taken down to the level of a mortal, gets beaten, and ultimately becomes worthy of wielding his hammer again. Compare this to Iron Man where the shallow, self-absorbed Tony Stark comes to recognize the harm his weapons are causing and starts to act in the greater good. Hell, even compare this to Black Panther where T'Challa is forced to recognize his father's faults and how cutting themselves off from the world has... well, the takeaway there is a little spotty. It's a mix of isolationism didn't actually keep them safe (although you have to overlook that the reason why it didn't keep them safe is because they were venturing out into the world where members of their society were becoming radicalized) and that they had a moral obligation to help black people everywhere because they able to do so. Okay, not a great film, but still, T'Challa had more of a narrative arc which included a fall from grace. I'm going to chalk up part of the problem to the fact that Captain Marysue never really feels powerless -- in the current events -- in the film. Other than being surprised by a taser at the beginning, she never really loses any fights and barely seems to struggle. Even with her hands cuffed, she beats down a squadron of Skrulls. And the closest her enemies come to victory is managing to successfully run away. That said, the whole getting up and trying again theme was nice. I guess it's a good moral for a kids movie... oh wait, they explicitly curse in this ("Am I supposed to guess what that means?" "Your ass!"). That's not really so good for the kids >_> And, of course, in true keeping with the Mary Sue-ness of the film, the end reveals that this is both the backstory for how Fury loses his eye (which I get is for laughs, but it's still stupid) and credits the Avengers' team name to having been inspired by her nickname. And speaking of nicknames, at the end of IM1 Tony suggests just calling Fury's organization SHIELD. However, they're already doing that throughout this film and, by saying the name in public, suggesting that it's a commonly-known thing. All things considered, I'll admit that Brie Larson warned us when she said something along the lines of, "This movie isn't for cis-het males," and that most people I talked to had a negative opinion of it. It's really my fault for getting my hopes up for a while. It's really my fault for getting my hopes up early on into the film... and given the spoilers at the end, I guess I really should have watched this in between IW and EG, which is another reason why I hate this film since it kinda breaks up the two by mentioning something about Fury dying (or going missing?) in IW. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_Abibde 04/09/20 6:54:05 PM #211:	Captain Marvel is the MCU movie I like least. I would say it is the Marvel movie I like least, but The Last Stand exists. --- -- I Abibde / Samuraiter Laughing at Game FAQs since 2002. <cite>I_Abibde posted [p:937093452] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Captain Marvel is the MCU movie I like least. I would say it is the Marvel movie I like least, but The Last Stand exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/09/20 8:01:32 PM #212:	Retro City Rampage was a fun little game --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937097384] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Retro City Rampage was a fun little game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/09/20 11:26:30 PM #213:	I didn't hate Captain Marvel. I hated a lot of the choices they made (and the ones they didn't make), and it was incredibly mediocre and felt kind of pointless, but the "Woo woo girl power! Grr!" moments weren't actually as jarring as some people act like they are. I was far more annoyed by the "GET IT? BECAUSE IT'S THE 90'S? GET IT?! D'YA GET IT?!??!" moments. Sure, it's almost certainly in my bottom 5 ranking the MCU films, but it's not #1 worst. My biggest complaint is honestly just that they're clearly setting her up to be the core character of the next couple phases, so she's basically in the Tony Stark seat now. And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot. Then again, there's very little on the horizon at the moment that interests me regardless of whether or not she's involved, so that's not a positive for Marvel right now anyway. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937108534] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I didn't hate Captain Marvel. I hated a lot of the choices they made (and the ones they didn't make), and it was incredibly mediocre and felt kind of pointless, but the "Woo woo girl power! Grr!" moments weren't actually as jarring as some people act like they are. I was far more annoyed by the "GET IT? BECAUSE IT'S THE 90'S? GET IT?! D'YA GET IT?!??!" moments. Sure, it's almost certainly in my bottom 5 ranking the MCU films, but it's not #1 worst. My biggest complaint is honestly just that they're clearly setting her up to be the core character of the next couple phases, so she's basically in the Tony Stark seat now. And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot. Then again, there's very little on the horizon at the moment that interests me regardless of whether or not she's involved, so that's not a positive for Marvel right now anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/09/20 11:30:48 PM #214:	ParanoidObsessive posted... And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot. I really thought Katheryn Winnick would have been much better for Carol Danvers. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:937108712] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot.</quote> I really thought Katheryn Winnick would have been much better for Carol Danvers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/10/20 1:41:44 AM #215:	Captain Marvel was a good movie. Around middle-tier of the MCU Carol leading the Avengers is something that can only work if they handle the team dynamic well. If everyone just falls in line because she's strong, that'd be lame. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937113683] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Captain Marvel was a good movie. Around middle-tier of the MCU Carol leading the Avengers is something that can only work if they handle the team dynamic well. If everyone just falls in line because she's strong, that'd be lame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/20 2:11:20 AM #216:	Tried watching the Big Show Show on NF and managed to make it 3:42 despite the first minute being bad enough that I was considering turning it off. Who the hell wrote this thing, the people behind Fuller House? ParanoidObsessive posted... I didn't hate Captain Marvel. I hated a lot of the choices they made (and the ones they didn't make), and it was incredibly mediocre and felt kind of pointless, but the "Woo woo girl power! Grr!" moments weren't actually as jarring as some people act like they are. I was far more annoyed by the "GET IT? BECAUSE IT'S THE 90'S? GET IT?! D'YA GET IT?!??!" moments. Sure, it's almost certainly in my bottom 5 ranking the MCU films, but it's not #1 worst. Oh, was it set in the 90s? I totally didn't pick up on that! ParanoidObsessive posted... My biggest complaint is honestly just that they're clearly setting her up to be the core character of the next couple phases, so she's basically in the Tony Stark seat now. And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot. Oh, fuck. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937114635] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Tried watching the Big Show Show on NF and managed to make it 3:42 despite the first minute being bad enough that I was considering turning it off. Who the hell wrote this thing, the people behind Fuller House? ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't hate Captain Marvel. I hated a lot of the choices they made (and the ones they didn't make), and it was incredibly mediocre and felt kind of pointless, but the "Woo woo girl power! Grr!" moments weren't actually as jarring as some people act like they are. I was far more annoyed by the "GET IT? BECAUSE IT'S THE 90'S? GET IT?! D'YA GET IT?!??!" moments. Sure, it's almost certainly in my bottom 5 ranking the MCU films, but it's not #1 worst.</quote> Oh, was it set in the 90s? I totally didn't pick up on that! ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote> My biggest complaint is honestly just that they're clearly setting her up to be the core character of the next couple phases, so she's basically in the Tony Stark seat now. And neither the character nor the actress are right for that spot.</quote> Oh, fuck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/10/20 10:26:44 AM #217:	I liked Captain Marvel, but I didn't love it as much as my wife. She's a 90's kid, kind of like most of us in here, and a woman, and a borderline feminist. (I once told her she was too weak to push me up the ramp at my house, and she did it out of spite. I never questioned her strength again, and she never lets me forget it either.) My point is that clearly the film isn't for us, but I see the target they were aiming for, and it misses for us, but not for her. I think of it like Black Panther. I love that film, it's literally made for a middle aged black man to gush over that film. My very white wife looked at me after the credits in the empty theater and said, "I'm well aware how white I am after watching that film. I would be uncomfortable watching this in a theater without you." I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther, "Negro Cat." Let's be better than that. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:937127099] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I liked Captain Marvel, but I didn't love it as much as my wife. She's a 90's kid, kind of like most of us in here, and a woman, and a borderline feminist. (I once told her she was too weak to push me up the ramp at my house, and she did it out of spite. I never questioned her strength again, and she never lets me forget it either.) My point is that clearly the film isn't for us, but I see the target they were aiming for, and it misses for us, but not for her. I think of it like Black Panther. I love that film, it's literally made for a middle aged black man to gush over that film. My very white wife looked at me after the credits in the empty theater and said, "I'm well aware how white I am after watching that film. I would be uncomfortable watching this in a theater without you." I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther, "Negro Cat." Let's be better than that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/10/20 2:46:40 PM #218:	I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in. The Wave Master posted... My point is that clearly the film isn't for us, but I see the target they were aiming for, and it misses for us, but not for her. I don't really mind that, as much as I always feel like I'm kind of taking crazy pills when people overpraise something that felt mediocre at best, not based on the objective quality as much as because of the social politics involved. Same deal with Wonder Woman - people praised that movie like it was the greatest superhero movie ever made, and I was like, are you insane? That shit was pure mediocrity, and only really felt better than it actually was if you were comparing it to the movies that immediately preceded it in the DCU. Make that exact same movie, but with a male lead, and the perception of the film would be MUCH more negative. Or at least much more apathetic. I get the whole "We need more representative movies" thing, and I can see why someone might get more out of a film if they can relate to the main character (even if I've literally never had that experience from a film as a white male). But is it too much to ask for a GOOD representative movie? I think Black Panther nailed the balance of social politics while still being a strong film in and of itself. I don't think Captain Marvel did. (Then again, I'm still bitter that they used Carol "dull as dishwater" Danvers instead of space lesbian or black woman made out of laser beams, so I was likely always going to have a negative opinion of the movie.) The Wave Master posted... I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther, "Negro Cat." I'd disagree 112%, because calling her Mary Sue isn't about her gender as much as it is about the writing. Mary Sue is a very specific criticism, which says a lot about how a character is written in the setting. It's not even necessarily gender-specific (hence why some people will use "Mary Stu" when talking about male characters in the same sense). It's usually used in the context of a character who almost seems like a glorified self-insert fanfic character (which is where the term originally came from), where the moment they show up the entire universe effectively starts to worship them. And while I wouldn't go so far as to say Carol is a Mary Sue, there are definitely tendencies there where I can see why someone might start thinking that way. Making her suddenly the entire reason why the Avengers are called the Avengers certainly doesn't help, especially because it's so unnecessary, is blatant retconning, and seems to be a thing solely to justify trying to make her the central focus of the universe in the future. Actually, that's my biggest problem with the movie, honestly. It retcons a BUNCH of things, and in almost every case, the retcon is both unnecessary, and adds absolutely nothing of value (or outright detracts from or contradicts previous things). I'd have hated them doing that even if it wasn't Carol Danvers - make the lead character a cis het white male and I'd keep in the parts about the callsign being Avenger, bringing in the Tesseract, and the whole Fury/cat thing, and I'd still be calling bullshit. Black Panther's biggest problem, by comparison, was that he was the least interesting character in his own movie. Pretty much everyone else other than maybe Martin Freeman was more interesting than T'Challa. But that's always a risk you run with more serious, stoic characters. Carol's problem isn't that she's a woman. It's that she's a boring woman. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937140853] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>My point is that clearly the film isn't for us, but I see the target they were aiming for, and it misses for us, but not for her. </quote> I don't really mind that, as much as I always feel like I'm kind of taking crazy pills when people overpraise something that felt mediocre at best, not based on the objective quality as much as because of the social politics involved. Same deal with Wonder Woman - people praised that movie like it was the greatest superhero movie ever made, and I was like, are you insane? That shit was pure mediocrity, and only really felt better than it actually was if you were comparing it to the movies that immediately preceded it in the DCU. Make that exact same movie, but with a male lead, and the perception of the film would be MUCH more negative. Or at least much more apathetic. I get the whole "We need more representative movies" thing, and I can see why someone might get more out of a film if they can relate to the main character (even if I've literally never had that experience from a film as a white male). But is it too much to ask for a GOOD representative movie? I think Black Panther nailed the balance of social politics while still being a strong film in and of itself. I don't think Captain Marvel did. (Then again, I'm still bitter that they used Carol "dull as dishwater" Danvers instead of space lesbian or black woman made out of laser beams, so I was likely always going to have a negative opinion of the movie.) <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther, "Negro Cat."</quote> I'd disagree 112%, because calling her Mary Sue isn't about her gender as much as it is about the writing. Mary Sue is a very specific criticism, which says a lot about how a character is written in the setting. It's not even necessarily gender-specific (hence why some people will use "Mary Stu" when talking about male characters in the same sense). It's usually used in the context of a character who almost seems like a glorified self-insert fanfic character (which is where the term originally came from), where the moment they show up the entire universe effectively starts to worship them. And while I wouldn't go so far as to say Carol is a Mary Sue, there are definitely tendencies there where I can see why someone might start thinking that way. Making her suddenly the entire reason why the Avengers are called the Avengers certainly doesn't help, especially because it's so unnecessary, is blatant retconning, and seems to be a thing solely to justify trying to make her the central focus of the universe in the future. Actually, that's my biggest problem with the movie, honestly. It retcons a BUNCH of things, and in almost every case, the retcon is both unnecessary, and adds absolutely nothing of value (or outright detracts from or contradicts previous things). I'd have hated them doing that even if it wasn't Carol Danvers - make the lead character a cis het white male and I'd keep in the parts about the callsign being Avenger, bringing in the Tesseract, and the whole Fury/cat thing, and I'd still be calling bullshit. Black Panther's biggest problem, by comparison, was that he was the least interesting character in his own movie. Pretty much everyone else other than maybe Martin Freeman was more interesting than T'Challa. But that's always a risk you run with more serious, stoic characters. Carol's problem isn't that she's a woman. It's that she's a boring woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/20 3:04:58 PM #219:	The Wave Master posted... I see the target they were aiming for, Women with a chip on their shoulder and zero self-awareness? The Wave Master posted... I think of it like Black Panther. I love that film, it's literally made for a middle aged black man to gush over that film. My very white wife looked at me after the credits in the empty theater and said, "I'm well aware how white I am after watching that film. I would be uncomfortable watching this in a theater without you." The only thing that made me uncomfortable was the racist caricatures that made it look like it was created by white people who wanted to make the movie feel African but didn't have a clue. Honestly, had they gone with the decidedly un-PC comics name for M'Baku, it would felt right at home in there. Then there were all of the shallow "angry black man" stereotypes which, other than Killmonger's history lesson, felt like they were cribbed from movies that the white creators had watched. Now what makes the whole thing glaring is that the film supposedly had a black director, a black writer, and a black costume designer. So maybe a lot of that is just the fact that it was created by white men -- who only brought in black men when they had questions about slang -- bleeding through. Granted, I'll admit that I've been too uncomfortable to ask black friends and colleagues if they were okay with the decisions made in the film, despite the fact I generally haven't shied away from other controversial racial topics. Then again, I know some of my black friends loved scenes in Black Lightning where I felt that they were trying too hard (although as a general rule, I dislike media trying to cash in on contemporary hot button issues) The Wave Master posted... I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther, No, it's not. Not in the least. That's some serious bad-faith reductivism. Nor is it a good excuse for the film's shortcomings; hell, if anything, using that as an excuse makes it less forgivable. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937141910] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>I see the target they were aiming for,</quote> Women with a chip on their shoulder and zero self-awareness? The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>I think of it like Black Panther. I love that film, it's literally made for a middle aged black man to gush over that film. My very white wife looked at me after the credits in the empty theater and said, "I'm well aware how white I am after watching that film. I would be uncomfortable watching this in a theater without you."</quote> The only thing that made me uncomfortable was the racist caricatures that made it look like it was created by white people who wanted to make the movie feel African but didn't have a clue. Honestly, had they gone with the decidedly un-PC comics name for M'Baku, it would felt right at home in there. Then there were all of the shallow "angry black man" stereotypes which, other than Killmonger's history lesson, felt like they were cribbed from movies that the white creators had watched. Now what makes the whole thing glaring is that the film supposedly had a black director, a black writer, and a black costume designer. So maybe a lot of that is just the fact that it was created by white men -- who only brought in black men when they had questions about slang -- bleeding through. Granted, I'll admit that I've been too uncomfortable to ask black friends and colleagues if they were okay with the decisions made in the film, despite the fact I generally haven't shied away from other controversial racial topics. Then again, I know some of my black friends loved scenes in Black Lightning where I felt that they were trying too hard (although as a general rule, I dislike media trying to cash in on contemporary hot button issues) The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>I personally don't like the choices made in Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to call her Captain Msrysue, and be a jerk. It's like calling Black Pnther,</quote> No, it's not. Not in the least. That's some serious bad-faith reductivism. Nor is it a good excuse for the film's shortcomings; hell, if anything, using that as an excuse makes it less forgivable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/10/20 3:10:39 PM #220:	I'm not quoting and snipping that classic PO wall of text. However, we live in a media landscape where a movie like Ford v Ferarri--a historical drama based on auto makers in the 50s and 60s--was criticized for "reckless burning of fossil fuels" and the fact that there weren't enough blue haired non-binary blind amputees of color in it. We're looking at "Snowflake and Safespace" in the new Marvel books. RE3r is one long "rape fantasy" because the zombies don't ask for consent. The blue checkmarks will piss and moan about media they were never going to buy anyway because outrage generates clicks. If anything, my biggest gripe with Capt. Marble was her inability to smile unless she was talking down to a man, and the total convenience of the mannequin with the NIN t-shirt being exactly her size. I enjoyed Black Panther. My biggest concern was how they determine which members of their society get to go cosplay dirt farmers to fool the rest of the world while the rest of the Wakandans get to live in futuretech luxury. I don't care if Valkyrie is Bi. I don't care if Archangel is gay. I don't care if Miles Morales is Muslim. If your sexuality or religion is your defining character traits, you're a pretty boring person. Nightcrawler was turbocatholic for decades. Colossus was overtly Eastern Orthodox and the story never ground to a halt for a third of an episode for mandatory religious doctrine the way Supergirl grinds every episode to a halt for it's mandatory 10 minutes of lesbian drama. It's possible to do things organically without taking focus away from the main plot. Instead, we have the media overlords deciding to beat us all over the head with it bluntly for woke points, pandering to people that ordinarily wouldn't have consumed your product in the first place. That's the problem I have with it all. You can be a gay or non-binary character without being flaming. Dr. Smith might be a borderline example, but what about Poison Ivy, Checkov, Harry Kim, or 7 of 9? There's better ways to do representation than stopping every episode for Corky's scene. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:937142233] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I'm not quoting and snipping that classic PO wall of text. However, we live in a media landscape where a movie like Ford v Ferarri--a historical drama based on auto makers in the 50s and 60s--was criticized for "reckless burning of fossil fuels" and the fact that there weren't enough blue haired non-binary blind amputees of color in it. We're looking at "Snowflake and Safespace" in the new Marvel books. RE3r is one long "rape fantasy" because the zombies don't ask for consent. The blue checkmarks will piss and moan about media they were never going to buy anyway because outrage generates clicks. If anything, my biggest gripe with Capt. Marble was her inability to smile unless she was talking down to a man, and the total convenience of the mannequin with the NIN t-shirt being exactly her size. I enjoyed Black Panther. My biggest concern was how they determine which members of their society get to go cosplay dirt farmers to fool the rest of the world while the rest of the Wakandans get to live in futuretech luxury. I don't care if Valkyrie is Bi. I don't care if Archangel is gay. I don't care if Miles Morales is Muslim. If your sexuality or religion is your defining character traits, you're a pretty boring person. Nightcrawler was turbocatholic for decades. Colossus was overtly Eastern Orthodox and the story never ground to a halt for a third of an episode for mandatory religious doctrine the way Supergirl grinds every episode to a halt for it's mandatory 10 minutes of lesbian drama. It's possible to do things organically without taking focus away from the main plot. Instead, we have the media overlords deciding to beat us all over the head with it bluntly for woke points, pandering to people that ordinarily wouldn't have consumed your product in the first place. That's the problem I have with it all. You can be a gay or non-binary character without being flaming. Dr. Smith might be a borderline example, but what about Poison Ivy, Checkov, Harry Kim, or 7 of 9? There's better ways to do representation than stopping every episode for Corky's scene. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/10/20 3:13:16 PM #221:	Zeus posted... The only thing that made me uncomfortable was the racist caricatures that made it look like it was created by white people who wanted to make the movie feel African but didn't have a clue. Hell, look at ST:TNG's Code of Honor for the trope maker for that concept... And if you want to see it done right, just look at Marvel's Luke Cage. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:937142378] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The only thing that made me uncomfortable was the racist caricatures that made it look like it was created by white people who wanted to make the movie feel African but didn't have a clue.</quote> Hell, look at ST:TNG's Code of Honor for the trope maker for that concept... And if you want to see it done right, just look at Marvel's Luke Cage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/10/20 11:22:49 PM #222:	ParanoidObsessive posted... I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in. Old Maui > Roll the Woodpile Down > Randy Dandy-O --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937170204] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in.</quote>Old Maui > Roll the Woodpile Down > Randy Dandy-O </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/20 11:31:17 PM #223:	I was tempted to just go ahead and watch IW & EG tonight, but I realize that they're about 6 hours between the two of them and it'll take me probably an extra hour on top of that and I don't feel like trying to binge 7 straight hours of content =x Instead I might finally watch Winter Soldier. ParanoidObsessive posted... I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in. I've never heard anybody call them "chanties" before. Is that an actual alternate name or just a typo? ParanoidObsessive posted... (Then again, I'm still bitter that they used Carol "dull as dishwater" Danvers instead of space lesbian or black woman made out of laser beams, so I was likely always going to have a negative opinion of the movie.) Speaking of, that was one of my many disappointments with the GL movie. I had really hoped for John Stewart because, up until JL/U, I had never really liked GL. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937170610] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I was tempted to just go ahead and watch IW & EG tonight, but I realize that they're about 6 hours between the two of them and it'll take me probably an extra hour on top of that and I don't feel like trying to binge 7 straight hours of content =x Instead I might finally watch Winter Soldier. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I think I've spent a combined total of like 10 hours over the last 2 days listening to random pirate chanties on YouTube. I'm pretty sure the madness has started to set in.</quote> I've never heard anybody call them "chanties" before. Is that an actual alternate name or just a typo? ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>(Then again, I'm still bitter that they used Carol "dull as dishwater" Danvers instead of space lesbian or black woman made out of laser beams, so I was likely always going to have a negative opinion of the movie.)</quote> Speaking of, that was one of my many disappointments with the GL movie. I had really hoped for John Stewart because, up until JL/U, I had never really liked GL. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/10/20 11:45:57 PM #224:	Zeus posted... I was tempted to just go ahead and watch IW & EG tonight, but I realize that they're about 6 hours between the two of them and it'll take me probably an extra hour on top of that and I don't feel like trying to binge 7 straight hours of content =x Instead I might finally watch Winter Soldier. I've never heard anybody call them "chanties" before. Is that an actual alternate name or just a typo? Speaking of, that was one of my many disappointments with the GL movie. I had really hoped for John Stewart because, up until JL/U, I had never really liked GL. Just watch one tonight and the other one tomorrow. Hal Jordan is best Green Lantern. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:937171347] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>I was tempted to just go ahead and watch IW & EG tonight, but I realize that they're about 6 hours between the two of them and it'll take me probably an extra hour on top of that and I don't feel like trying to binge 7 straight hours of content =x Instead I might finally watch Winter Soldier. I've never heard anybody call them "chanties" before. Is that an actual alternate name or just a typo? Speaking of, that was one of my many disappointments with the GL movie. I had really hoped for John Stewart because, up until JL/U, I had never really liked GL. </quote> Just watch one tonight and the other one tomorrow. Hal Jordan is best Green Lantern.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/20 4:46:19 AM #225:	Alright, so finished Winter Soldier, which was pretty good. Apparently a lot of the continuity stuff from AoU that I assumed was probably addressed in Agents of SHIELD actually came into play there so, technically speaking, I really should have watched that before AoU (although it mostly just addressed the set-up, especially regarding the post-credits scene). Really liked Widow in this one. I'll admit that Avengers 1 absolutely poisoned the character for me and Joss Whedon's bullshit in Avengers not only had me hating Widow, but it's where my dislike for ScarJo (who I had previously liked starting with the Black Dahlia, although apparently the first thing I saw starring her was Eight-Legged Freaks... and oh shit, just learned she's divorced!) began. Civil War didn't really do anything to change that, although my opinion softened... I guess probably just with AoU? My favorite part of Winter Soldier is probably the surprisingly cool inclusion of Arnim Zola, even if it's a relatively brief moment. That scene was a trip. It also immediately made me interested to see if the character had appeared in Agents of SHIELD -- which I afterward figured he couldn't have without spoiling this -- or Agent Carter. Apparently he was briefly in Agent Carter. In general, Toby Jones is such a weird-looking dude that I'm kinda surprised that he's had as much success as an actor as he has... and that was before seeing his entire list of credits. WTF?! Goddamn, good for him. Granted, most of those are smaller roles, but he has consistent work. All things considered, he first got on my radar from Sherlock -- which was probably my favorite episode -- and then I saw him in Tale of Tales (so-so film) and kept seeing him in shit. Out of the MCU, I'll say that the Captain America films are probably my favorite despite having never been hugely into Captain America. I remember First Avenger being pretty good, I really liked Civil War, and Winter Soldier definitely ranks among the better MCU films. Likewise, I was never a Thor fan (in fact, I kinda disliked him prior to the MCU), but Thor 3 is still probably one of my favorite MCU films (and the only one I've seen twice), Dark World was good, and Thor 1 I realize had a lot to offer. Thor 1 I've come to appreciate a lot more in hindsight. Conversely, I had always liked Iron Man prior to the MCU, but while I liked IM1, IM2 kinda sucked and IM3 I'm a little split on. Revelation34 posted... Just watch one tonight and the other one tomorrow. I don't like doing shit like that any more than I like having to break up watching a movie. Revelation34 posted... Hal Jordan is best Green Lantern. Agree to disagree. Hal I've never been that fond of, although I don't actively dislike him as I do Kyle Rayner. John Stewart I actually like, though, and I've kinda come to enjoy the antics of Guy Gardner. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937180944] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Alright, so finished Winter Soldier, which was pretty good. Apparently a lot of the continuity stuff from AoU that I assumed was probably addressed in Agents of SHIELD actually came into play there so, technically speaking, I really should have watched that before AoU (although it mostly just addressed the set-up, especially regarding the post-credits scene). Really liked Widow in this one. I'll admit that Avengers 1 absolutely poisoned the character for me and Joss Whedon's bullshit in Avengers not only had me hating Widow, but it's where my dislike for ScarJo (who I had previously liked starting with the Black Dahlia, although apparently the first thing I saw starring her was Eight-Legged Freaks... and oh shit, just learned she's divorced!) began. Civil War didn't really do anything to change that, although my opinion softened... I guess probably just with AoU? My favorite part of Winter Soldier is probably the surprisingly cool inclusion of Arnim Zola, even if it's a relatively brief moment. That scene was a trip. It also immediately made me interested to see if the character had appeared in Agents of SHIELD -- which I afterward figured he couldn't have without spoiling this -- or Agent Carter. Apparently he was briefly in Agent Carter. In general, Toby Jones is such a weird-looking dude that I'm kinda surprised that he's had as much success as an actor as he has... and that was before seeing his entire list of credits. WTF?! Goddamn, good for him. Granted, most of those are smaller roles, but he has consistent work. All things considered, he first got on my radar from Sherlock -- which was probably my favorite episode -- and then I saw him in Tale of Tales (so-so film) and kept seeing him in shit. Out of the MCU, I'll say that the Captain America films are probably my favorite despite having never been hugely into Captain America. I remember First Avenger being pretty good, I really liked Civil War, and Winter Soldier definitely ranks among the better MCU films. Likewise, I was never a Thor fan (in fact, I kinda disliked him prior to the MCU), but Thor 3 is still probably one of my favorite MCU films (and the only one I've seen twice), Dark World was good, and Thor 1 I realize had a lot to offer. Thor 1 I've come to appreciate a lot more in hindsight. Conversely, I had always liked Iron Man prior to the MCU, but while I liked IM1, IM2 kinda sucked and IM3 I'm a little split on. Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Just watch one tonight and the other one tomorrow.</quote> I don't like doing shit like that any more than I like having to break up watching a movie. Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Hal Jordan is best Green Lantern.</quote> Agree to disagree. Hal I've never been that fond of, although I don't actively dislike him as I do Kyle Rayner. John Stewart I actually like, though, and I've kinda come to enjoy the antics of Guy Gardner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 04/11/20 5:43:02 AM #226:	Zeus posted... Agree to disagree. Hal I've never been that fond of, although I don't actively dislike him as I do Kyle Rayner. John Stewart I actually like, though, and I've kinda come to enjoy the antics of Guy Gardner I agree but it is pretty much just a case of hes the green lantern i grew up with (justice league animated series) --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:937182030] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Agree to disagree. Hal I've never been that fond of, although I don't actively dislike him as I do Kyle Rayner. John Stewart I actually like, though, and I've kinda come to enjoy the antics of Guy Gardner</quote> I agree but it is pretty much just a case of hes the green lantern i grew up with (justice league animated series) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/20 8:10:10 AM #227:	Guy > John > Kyle > Hal --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937184809] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Guy > John > Kyle > Hal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/11/20 9:47:18 AM #228:	WhiskeyDisk posted... If anything, my biggest gripe with Capt. Marble was her inability to smile unless she was talking down to a man, and the total convenience of the mannequin with the NIN t-shirt being exactly her size. But she HAD to find that shirt. If she hadn't, how else would you know that the movie was taking place IN THE NINETIES!?!?!?! WhiskeyDisk posted... I don't care if Miles Morales is Muslim. If your sexuality or religion is your defining character traits, you're a pretty boring person. That's why I always find it amusing how Miles' comics sold pretty well. As did Kamala Khan's (Ms. Marvel) and Jaime Reyes' (Blue Beetle). All of which were generally pretty highly praised by the "stereotypically bigoted" white male fanbase (except for the Ted Kord fans who hated how DC completely fucked his character over simply to make way for a new iteration of Blue Beetle, but that's less about Jaime and more about how badly they mistreated Ted, who was a fun, popular character). It's almost as if, if you write a character who is interesting and relatable, people will like them, regardless of whatever social politics are attached to them. But if you craft a character who is literally nothing but social politics posturing aimed directly at jerking off Tumblr, no one actually buys the comics (because it's pretty clear at this point that SJWs don't actually consume the media they complain about, even when it gives them everything they claim to want). Essentially, you can be progressive if you're doing it in the context of a worthwhile story. But when you're being progressive for the sake of progressive, no one cares, and the only people paying attention to you at all are the people complaining about what you're doing. Though it's also interesting to note that the best formula for introducing new minority characters into a setting seems to be attaching them to an existing property, but NOT sacrificing legacy characters that have fanbases stretching back decades to recycle their concept (It's Captain America, but now it's Falcon because he's black! It's Thor, except now it's a woman! It's Iron Man, except now as a black teenage girl!). It definitely seems that the newer minority characters that actually catch on with a mostly positive reaction and not a ton of blowback are usually cases where they don't sacrifice existing characters to make them. A lot of Spider-Man fans loved "Spider-Gwen" right from the start, which was helped by the fact that they didn't kill off Peter (well, not main universe Peter) to justify her existence. Meanwhile, response to Jane Foster Thor was strongly negative, partly because of the phenomenally stupid way they handled it and completely fucked over original Thor to do it (but admittedly, partly because the writing in general was terrible). I get the argument "Well, we have to tie them to existing properties because otherwise no one will care about them", but that's kind of sad as well, because it's essentially admitting that comic companies today are so creatively bankrupt they can't actually create popular new characters, but can only survive by constantly milking the legacy of long-dead creators and decades-old IP. And it's not even necessarily the case - Static became a very popular character in the 90s in spite of being a completely new character in a universe completely unrelated to mainline DC, simply by virtue of being cool and getting his own cartoon. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937187406] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>If anything, my biggest gripe with Capt. Marble was her inability to smile unless she was talking down to a man, and the total convenience of the mannequin with the NIN t-shirt being exactly her size.</quote> But she HAD to find that shirt. If she hadn't, how else would you know that the movie was taking place IN THE NINETIES!?!?!?! <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>I don't care if Miles Morales is Muslim. If your sexuality or religion is your defining character traits, you're a pretty boring person.</quote> That's why I always find it amusing how Miles' comics sold pretty well. As did Kamala Khan's (Ms. Marvel) and Jaime Reyes' (Blue Beetle). All of which were generally pretty highly praised by the "stereotypically bigoted" white male fanbase (except for the Ted Kord fans who hated how DC completely fucked his character over simply to make way for a new iteration of Blue Beetle, but that's less about Jaime and more about how badly they mistreated Ted, who was a fun, popular character). It's almost as if, if you write a character who is interesting and relatable, people will like them, regardless of whatever social politics are attached to them. But if you craft a character who is literally nothing but social politics posturing aimed directly at jerking off Tumblr, no one actually buys the comics (because it's pretty clear at this point that SJWs don't actually consume the media they complain about, even when it gives them everything they claim to want). Essentially, you can be progressive if you're doing it in the context of a worthwhile story. But when you're being progressive for the sake of progressive, no one cares, and the only people paying attention to you at all are the people complaining about what you're doing. Though it's also interesting to note that the best formula for introducing new minority characters into a setting seems to be attaching them to an existing property, but NOT sacrificing legacy characters that have fanbases stretching back decades to recycle their concept (It's Captain America, but now it's Falcon because he's black! It's Thor, except now it's a woman! It's Iron Man, except now as a black teenage girl!). It definitely seems that the newer minority characters that actually catch on with a mostly positive reaction and not a ton of blowback are usually cases where they don't sacrifice existing characters to make them. A lot of Spider-Man fans loved "Spider-Gwen" right from the start, which was helped by the fact that they didn't kill off Peter (well, not main universe Peter) to justify her existence. Meanwhile, response to Jane Foster Thor was strongly negative, partly because of the phenomenally stupid way they handled it and completely fucked over original Thor to do it (but admittedly, partly because the writing in general was terrible). I get the argument "Well, we have to tie them to existing properties because otherwise no one will care about them", but that's kind of sad as well, because it's essentially admitting that comic companies today are so creatively bankrupt they can't actually create popular new characters, but can only survive by constantly milking the legacy of long-dead creators and decades-old IP. And it's not even necessarily the case - Static became a very popular character in the 90s in spite of being a completely new character in a universe completely unrelated to mainline DC, simply by virtue of being cool and getting his own cartoon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/20 12:52:17 PM #229:	The actual Jane Thor comics were actually pretty good. Some of the art was fantastic, and the short stint with War Thor was badass too. The reasoning for her of all people taking up the mantle was a lot weaker than a lot of the other replacement heroes at that time, though. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937195260] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>The actual Jane Thor comics were actually pretty good. Some of the art was fantastic, and the short stint with War Thor was badass too. The reasoning for her of all people taking up the mantle was a lot weaker than a lot of the other replacement heroes at that time, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/11/20 2:18:10 PM #230:	Metalsonic66 posted... The actual Jane Thor comics were actually pretty good. This is where I say "No". http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/072/019/15c.png Actually, I was more annoyed by the "Oh, she gets the hammer because he's no longer worthy. Why is he no longer worthy? Oh, we're totally not telling you" logic, and moreso by the fact that when they finally revealed it, it was incredibly stupid. And, you know, the fact that "Thor" isn't his title, it's his fucking name. When Bucky or Falcon or US Agent or whoever takes on the role of Captain America, that's one thing. But they're not literally going around calling themselves Steve Rogers. When Rhodey took over for Tony Stark as Iron Man, he became Iron Man, not "Tony Stark". There was actually a fair bit of other shitty retconning and "square-peg/round-hole"isms going on in that Thor run. Which was a shame, because it was only a few years after the brilliant Journey into Mystery run with Loki that showed you can, in fact, still write really good Thor comics that are kind of subversive/deconstructionist in the modern era. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937199660] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>The actual Jane Thor comics were actually pretty good.</quote> This is where I say "No". http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/072/019/15c.png Actually, I was more annoyed by the "Oh, she gets the hammer because he's no longer worthy. Why is he no longer worthy? Oh, we're totally not telling you" logic, and moreso by the fact that when they finally revealed it, it was incredibly stupid. And, you know, the fact that "Thor" isn't his title, it's his fucking name. When Bucky or Falcon or US Agent or whoever takes on the role of Captain America, that's one thing. But they're not literally going around calling themselves Steve Rogers. When Rhodey took over for Tony Stark as Iron Man, he became Iron Man, not "Tony Stark". There was actually a fair bit of other shitty retconning and "square-peg/round-hole"isms going on in that Thor run. Which was a shame, because it was only a few years after the brilliant Journey into Mystery run with Loki that showed you can, in fact, still write really good Thor comics that are kind of subversive/deconstructionist in the modern era.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/20 2:21:29 PM #231:	I didn't like the concept of Jane Thor. The name thing doesn't really bother me. The occasional bits of "progressive" dialog were overblown TBH. The actual comics were good. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937199871] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I didn't like the concept of Jane Thor. The name thing doesn't really bother me. The occasional bits of "progressive" dialog were overblown TBH. The actual comics were good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/20 2:38:38 PM #232:	ParanoidObsessive posted... (except for the Ted Kord fans who hated how DC completely fucked his character over simply to make way for a new iteration of Blue Beetle, but that's less about Jaime and more about how badly they mistreated Ted, who was a fun, popular character). I didn't have much of an attachment to Ted, but that was basically my gripe with Miles. Ironically, had they introduced him as Spidey from the beginning of the Ultimates continuity, I probably wouldn't have had much of an issue -- after all, I probably like Miguel O'Hara more than regular-continuity Peter Parker -- but instead not only did they kill a version of Peter I liked more than the normal comics version, they added insult to injury by announcing a replacement almost before the ink dried on the comic where he died. And then, of course, I've been irked that Miles has been pulled into the mainstream in a way that Miguel O'Hara hasn't (although at least he's had a few games now... that I haven't got around to playing despite owning some of them for years now >_<) ParanoidObsessive posted... It definitely seems that the newer minority characters that actually catch on with a mostly positive reaction and not a ton of blowback are usually cases where they don't sacrifice existing characters to make them. A lot of Spider-Man fans loved "Spider-Gwen" right from the start, which was helped by the fact that they didn't kill off Peter (well, not main universe Peter) to justify her existence. Meanwhile, response to Jane Foster Thor was strongly negative, partly because of the phenomenally stupid way they handled it and completely fucked over original Thor to do it (but admittedly, partly because the writing in general was terrible). That and people like Gwen Stacy thanks to how the character had been used in spinoff media like the Amazing Spidey films and the canceled-before-its-time Spectacular Spiderman cartoon --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937200839] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>(except for the Ted Kord fans who hated how DC completely fucked his character over simply to make way for a new iteration of Blue Beetle, but that's less about Jaime and more about how badly they mistreated Ted, who was a fun, popular character).</quote> I didn't have much of an attachment to Ted, but that was basically my gripe with Miles. Ironically, had they introduced him as Spidey from the beginning of the Ultimates continuity, I probably wouldn't have had much of an issue -- after all, I probably like Miguel O'Hara more than regular-continuity Peter Parker -- but instead not only did they kill a version of Peter I liked more than the normal comics version, they added insult to injury by announcing a replacement almost before the ink dried on the comic where he died. And then, of course, I've been irked that Miles has been pulled into the mainstream in a way that Miguel O'Hara hasn't (although at least he's had a few games now... that I haven't got around to playing despite owning some of them for years now >_<) ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>It definitely seems that the newer minority characters that actually catch on with a mostly positive reaction and not a ton of blowback are usually cases where they don't sacrifice existing characters to make them. A lot of Spider-Man fans loved "Spider-Gwen" right from the start, which was helped by the fact that they didn't kill off Peter (well, not main universe Peter) to justify her existence. Meanwhile, response to Jane Foster Thor was strongly negative, partly because of the phenomenally stupid way they handled it and completely fucked over original Thor to do it (but admittedly, partly because the writing in general was terrible).</quote> That and people like Gwen Stacy thanks to how the character had been used in spinoff media like the Amazing Spidey films and the canceled-before-its-time Spectacular Spiderman cartoon </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/20 2:57:36 PM #233:	2099 Spidey did get a team comic and a solo comic or two not long ago. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937201884] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>2099 Spidey did get a team comic and a solo comic or two not long ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/11/20 3:09:30 PM #234:	Metalsonic66 posted... 2099 Spidey did get a team comic and a solo comic or two not long ago. They're rebooting those? I wish that line was never canceled. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:937202484] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>2099 Spidey did get a team comic and a solo comic or two not long ago. </quote> They're rebooting those? I wish that line was never canceled.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/20 3:30:35 PM #235:	Not rebooting --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937203565] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Not rebooting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/20 9:39:39 PM #236:	Oh, apparently D+ doesn't actually have IW so far. Judging from the way it's phrased, I imagine the reason is that NF still has exclusivity on it. As such, I can just watch it on NF then watch IW on D+ --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937222826] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Oh, apparently D+ doesn't actually have IW so far. Judging from the way it's phrased, I imagine the reason is that NF still has exclusivity on it. As such, I can just watch it on NF then watch IW on D+ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/11/20 9:50:42 PM #237:	Zeus posted... I didn't have much of an attachment to Ted, but that was basically my gripe with Miles. Yeah, but that's a blow that's softened at least somewhat by the fact that it wasn't the mainline character, so you're not going to get as much "You killed off Peter Parker after 40 years to cram this other person into the suit? I now hate you and will hate this new character forever!" I get that you personally may have been more attached to the Ultimates version (and I'm sure the same was true for any number of people), but you're not going to get the same level of mainstream hate heat. It's the same reason why they were able to get away with ridiculous stuff like making Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch incest jokes canon, having Peter cloned as a sexy lady, or killing off or radically retconning characters every few months. "It's Ultimate, so it doesn't count" sums up a lot of that mentality. It's almost like an Elseworlds/What If? scenario. Just one that ran for 10 years. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937223354] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't have much of an attachment to Ted, but that was basically my gripe with Miles.</quote> Yeah, but that's a blow that's softened at least somewhat by the fact that it wasn't the mainline character, so you're not going to get as much "You killed off Peter Parker after 40 years to cram this other person into the suit? I now hate you and will hate this new character forever!" I get that you personally may have been more attached to the Ultimates version (and I'm sure the same was true for any number of people), but you're not going to get the same level of mainstream hate heat. It's the same reason why they were able to get away with ridiculous stuff like making Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch incest jokes canon, having Peter cloned as a sexy lady, or killing off or radically retconning characters every few months. "It's Ultimate, so it doesn't count" sums up a lot of that mentality. It's almost like an Elseworlds/What If? scenario. Just one that ran for 10 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisc 04/11/20 9:58:35 PM #238:	ParanoidObsessive posted... "It's Ultimate, so it doesn't count" sums up a lot of that mentality. It's almost like an Elseworlds/What If? scenario. Just one that ran for 10 years. How seriously can you really take the "What if's" when among others, they've made Venom, Deadpool, and Frank Castle all Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D...and when they made Castle an agent, they also gave him a War Machine suit? What sane continuity even lets Marvel's most prolific non-super serial killer even sniff a Stark tech suit? I wouldn't even let him try on one of Rescue's gloves. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisc posted [p:937223759] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>"It's Ultimate, so it doesn't count" sums up a lot of that mentality. It's almost like an Elseworlds/What If? scenario. Just one that ran for 10 years.</quote> How seriously can you really take the "What if's" when among others, they've made Venom, Deadpool, and Frank Castle all Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D...and when they made Castle an agent, they also gave him a War Machine suit? What sane continuity even lets Marvel's most prolific non-super serial killer even sniff a Stark tech suit? I wouldn't even let him try on one of Rescue's gloves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/11/20 11:13:35 PM #239:	I love Spider-man 2099. The comic needs to have another run because it was great, and I still have the comics in my long box in ny hallway closet. I'm also enjoying Final Fantasy VII Remake. It is a very pretty game, and the combat is fun too. Voice acting isn't too bad, but I would have made a few changes in the ADR, but it's overall a great experience. The only other problem is my cat, Lord Beerus, keeps attacking me with kisses whenever I play. Something about the game or the music makes him want to jump and kiss my face until I stop playing the game and play with him. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:937227346] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>I love Spider-man 2099. The comic needs to have another run because it was great, and I still have the comics in my long box in ny hallway closet. I'm also enjoying Final Fantasy VII Remake. It is a very pretty game, and the combat is fun too. Voice acting isn't too bad, but I would have made a few changes in the ADR, but it's overall a great experience. The only other problem is my cat, Lord Beerus, keeps attacking me with kisses whenever I play. Something about the game or the music makes him want to jump and kiss my face until I stop playing the game and play with him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 04/12/20 3:03:05 AM #240:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It's almost as if, if you write a character who is interesting and relatable, people will like them, regardless of whatever social politics are attached to them. But if you craft a character who is literally nothing but social politics posturing aimed directly at jerking off Tumblr, no one actually buys the comics (because it's pretty clear at this point that SJWs don't actually consume the media they complain about, even when it gives them everything they claim to want). Current Hollywood is painfully learning this obvious lesson as well. Execs have a million reasons why films like Ocean's 8, Ghostbusters, or new Charlie's Angels flopped, but none of them seem to be "people don't like gender-swapping established properties in a shallow and obvious cash-grab attempt (well, Charlie's wasn't gender-swapped. Rather, it was subversive and tried to go against the very reason anyone gave a shit about the series to begin with: hot women playing spy by being hot and fun). As you said a few paragraphs down, it's both sad and confusing, because it shows how little faith they have in creating original content that headlines a woman, while simultaneously having piles of examples that have been around for decades to work from (Alien, Kill Bill, Westworld, etc.). --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:937236163] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost as if, if you write a character who is interesting and relatable, people will like them, regardless of whatever social politics are attached to them. But if you craft a character who is literally nothing but social politics posturing aimed directly at jerking off Tumblr, no one actually buys the comics (because it's pretty clear at this point that SJWs don't actually consume the media they complain about, even when it gives them everything they claim to want).</quote>Current Hollywood is painfully learning this obvious lesson as well. Execs have a million reasons why films like Ocean's 8, Ghostbusters, or new Charlie's Angels flopped, but none of them seem to be "people don't like gender-swapping established properties in a shallow and obvious cash-grab attempt (well, Charlie's wasn't gender-swapped. Rather, it was subversive and tried to go against the very reason anyone gave a shit about the series to begin with: hot women playing spy by being hot and fun). As you said a few paragraphs down, it's both sad and confusing, because it shows how little faith they have in creating original content that headlines a woman, while simultaneously having piles of examples that have been around for decades to work from (Alien, Kill Bill, Westworld, etc.). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/12/20 3:37:06 AM #241:	The Wave Master posted... I love Spider-man 2099. The comic needs to have another run because it was great, and I still have the comics in my long box in ny hallway closet. I like the idea of 2099 more than I liked the reality of it. Though Doom 2099 was the one I gravitated to before I sort of drifted away from Marvel entirely in the 90s (I mostly started buying Valiant exclusively, before Acclaim fucked that up and I dropped comics entirely until 2008 or so). The premise of someone showing up in the future claiming to be a time-displaced Doctor Doom (which is more than possible, since he literally invented the main time machine tech that gets used in the Marvel universe), with no memory of how he got there, or whether he's even the real Doom or just some broken failsafe the original Doctor Doom established (similar to Kristoff), was kind of neat. It sort of combined the idea of this mystery of just who this really was and how they got there, with the idea that Doom in a world without Reed Richards could actually be a hero instead of a villain. And having to use his genius intellect to catch up after 100 years worth of technological advancement left things like his previously cutting-edge armor painfully obsolete. I also wanted to like X-Men 2099 because I loved Ron Lim's art, but it was just so 90s it hurt, and I couldn't bring myself to care about any of the characters. The 2099 universe basically went to absolute and complete shit almost before it was launched, sadly. Spider-Man 2099 is probably the only one that really managed to transcend the crap and come out at least somewhat unscathed, but the Spider-Man IP does seem to be particularly teflon for that sort of thing (like with Mayday being about the only part of MC2 that anyone remembers or cares about these days). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937236959] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I love Spider-man 2099. The comic needs to have another run because it was great, and I still have the comics in my long box in ny hallway closet. </quote> I like the idea of 2099 more than I liked the reality of it. Though Doom 2099 was the one I gravitated to before I sort of drifted away from Marvel entirely in the 90s (I mostly started buying Valiant exclusively, before Acclaim fucked that up and I dropped comics entirely until 2008 or so). The premise of someone showing up in the future claiming to be a time-displaced Doctor Doom (which is more than possible, since he literally invented the main time machine tech that gets used in the Marvel universe), with no memory of how he got there, or whether he's even the real Doom or just some broken failsafe the original Doctor Doom established (similar to Kristoff), was kind of neat. It sort of combined the idea of this mystery of just who this really was and how they got there, with the idea that Doom in a world without Reed Richards could actually be a hero instead of a villain. And having to use his genius intellect to catch up after 100 years worth of technological advancement left things like his previously cutting-edge armor painfully obsolete. I also wanted to like X-Men 2099 because I loved Ron Lim's art, but it was just so 90s it hurt, and I couldn't bring myself to care about any of the characters. The 2099 universe basically went to absolute and complete shit almost before it was launched, sadly. Spider-Man 2099 is probably the only one that really managed to transcend the crap and come out at least somewhat unscathed, but the Spider-Man IP does seem to be particularly teflon for that sort of thing (like with Mayday being about the only part of MC2 that anyone remembers or cares about these days).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/12/20 5:39:20 AM #242:	Got to a late start, but finally finished IW and EG. IW was great for the most part -- other than ~~Star-Lord repeatedly fucking the entire team over~~ -- while EG kinda sucked other than that epic final act... and then kinda sucked afterward for all of the major continuity shifts. I can see why PO mentioned not being excited for the franchise's immediate future. Also IW to EG had something of a gap. I guess the after-credits scene in Captain Marysue was supposed to kinda address that, but... it kinda didn't. It just made for a pretty rough start. And speaking of Captain Marysue, she really Marysued it up, with characters immediately taking to her (such as ~~Thor's almost immediate "I like her"~~) and -- to an extent -- praising her for her power. It's not even a matter of the character herself not being written terribly well, but it's like the writing all around her gets impacted as well. (Raccoon was all like, "You're awesome, you should be helping us more," and Marysue be all like, "But there are a lot of other worlds that need helping," and Raccoon be, "Oh, that's cool." Paraphrasing, but seriously, LOL!) Pretty much everything in EG was pretty wtf. The core plan wasn't just out of left-field, it felt out of everything we've seen so far. The actual individual missions offered a neat retrospective, although the biggest aspect -- ~~Thanos coming to the future WITH his whole previously-defeated crew~~ -- was awesome and makes up for that other shit. Doubly so since Thanos gets some proper comeuppance and we get to see his smug smirk vanish when his army is met by the restored Earth allies. Then, after being forced to firebomb the entire field and put his own forces at risk, he watches his ship get single-handledly wrecked. And then he gets to witness his final defeat when Tony unleashes his own snap. All things considered, that was a great payoff to a long 2-part movie. What was less cool was how they were worried about the impact of their plan and then ~~Captain America just chooses to stay in the past, which seemingly contradicts those concerns.~~ Also I couldn't stop laughing at the blatantly fan-service-y/pander-y ~~"she-roes" charge~~ near the end. That moment just seemed so goofy, probably because they handled it in the most glaring way possible so there was no mistaking what they were trying to do and they wanted to clearly signal what they were doing. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937239541] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Got to a late start, but finally finished IW and EG. IW was great for the most part -- other than Star-Lord repeatedly fucking the entire team over -- while EG kinda sucked other than that epic final act... and then kinda sucked afterward for all of the major continuity shifts. I can see why PO mentioned not being excited for the franchise's immediate future. Also IW to EG had something of a gap. I guess the after-credits scene in Captain Marysue was supposed to kinda address that, but... it kinda didn't. It just made for a pretty rough start. And speaking of Captain Marysue, she really Marysued it up, with characters immediately taking to her (such as Thor's almost immediate "I like her") and -- to an extent -- praising her for her power. It's not even a matter of the character herself not being written terribly well, but it's like the writing all around her gets impacted as well. (Raccoon was all like, "You're awesome, you should be helping us more," and Marysue be all like, "But there are a lot of other worlds that need helping," and Raccoon be, "Oh, that's cool." Paraphrasing, but seriously, LOL!) Pretty much everything in EG was pretty wtf. The core plan wasn't just out of left-field, it felt out of everything we've seen so far. The actual individual missions offered a neat retrospective, although the biggest aspect -- Thanos coming to the future WITH his whole previously-defeated crew -- was awesome and makes up for that other shit. Doubly so since Thanos gets some proper comeuppance and we get to see his smug smirk vanish when his army is met by the restored Earth allies. Then, after being forced to firebomb the entire field and put his own forces at risk, he watches his ship get single-handledly wrecked. And then he gets to witness his final defeat when Tony unleashes his own snap. All things considered, that was a great payoff to a long 2-part movie. What was less cool was how they were worried about the impact of their plan and then Captain America just chooses to stay in the past, which seemingly contradicts those concerns. Also I couldn't stop laughing at the blatantly fan-service-y/pander-y "she-roes" charge near the end. That moment just seemed so goofy, probably because they handled it in the most glaring way possible so there was no mistaking what they were trying to do and they wanted to clearly signal what they were doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 04/12/20 6:51:15 AM #243:	WhiskeyDisc posted... How seriously can you really take the "What if's" when among others, they've made Venom, Deadpool, and Frank Castle all Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D...and when they made Castle an agent, they also gave him a War Machine suit? What sane continuity even lets Marvel's most prolific non-super serial killer even sniff a Stark tech suit? I wouldn't even let him try on one of Rescue's gloves. Same kinda "sane" continuity that allows lex luthor become president I suppose. I accept all non canon stories as canon. Just alternate universe. I liked the DC animated movie idea that for everytime a choice is made a alternate universe is created where everything is the same up until that choice but the opposite choice is made thus creating infinite universes with endleas possibilities --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:937240827] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisc posted... </cite> <quote>How seriously can you really take the "What if's" when among others, they've made Venom, Deadpool, and Frank Castle all Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D...and when they made Castle an agent, they also gave him a War Machine suit? What sane continuity even lets Marvel's most prolific non-super serial killer even sniff a Stark tech suit? I wouldn't even let him try on one of Rescue's gloves.</quote> Same kinda "sane" continuity that allows lex luthor become president I suppose. I accept all non canon stories as canon. Just alternate universe. I liked the DC animated movie idea that for everytime a choice is made a alternate universe is created where everything is the same up until that choice but the opposite choice is made thus creating infinite universes with endleas possibilities </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_Abibde 04/12/20 2:38:44 PM #244:	Happy to see that I am not the only 2099 fan here, though I believe the topic has come up here before. Seeing Miguel O'Hara pop up in one story arc of the first Exiles run reminded me of my enjoyment of the 2099 setting, and it is a shame that has not resurfaced. Then again, considering the current state of Marvel Comics, that might be for the best. Perhaps the '90s should stay in the '90s. Having a go at FF7R here, but ... got interrupted (at the Sector 5 Reactor) by having to call the ambulance for my wife, and, as a result, I have not played since making that call yesterday afternoon. The situation there is complicated, but the short version is that a temporary fix she received -- because the hospital cannot perform a required surgery for her until the lockdown is lifted -- was not done correctly, and it ruptured despite her following all of the directions from the doctors. (Warning for TMI: ~~My first time cleaning gore off the bathroom floor -- only a small amount, thankfully, but she was right to be alarmed~~.) She is doing all right in the hospital, but I am not allowed to be there with her (because of the aforementioned lockdown), and that has not done wonders for either my wits or my concentration. --- -- I Abibde / Samuraiter Laughing at Game FAQs since 2002. <cite>I_Abibde posted [p:937260153] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Happy to see that I am not the only 2099 fan here, though I believe the topic has come up here before. Seeing Miguel O'Hara pop up in one story arc of the first Exiles run reminded me of my enjoyment of the 2099 setting, and it is a shame that has not resurfaced. Then again, considering the current state of Marvel Comics, that might be for the best. Perhaps the '90s should stay in the '90s. Having a go at FF7R here, but ... got interrupted (at the Sector 5 Reactor) by having to call the ambulance for my wife, and, as a result, I have not played since making that call yesterday afternoon. The situation there is complicated, but the short version is that a temporary fix she received -- because the hospital cannot perform a required surgery for her until the lockdown is lifted -- was not done correctly, and it ruptured despite her following all of the directions from the doctors. (Warning for TMI: My first time cleaning gore off the bathroom floor -- only a small amount, thankfully, but she was right to be alarmed.) She is doing all right in the hospital, but I am not allowed to be there with her (because of the aforementioned lockdown), and that has not done wonders for either my wits or my concentration. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/12/20 4:39:19 PM #245:	mooreandrew58 posted... I liked the DC animated movie idea that for everytime a choice is made a alternate universe is created where everything is the same up until that choice but the opposite choice is made thus creating infinite universes with endleas possibilities That's not really a DC animated idea, as much as it's been a concept in sci-fi forever, and is literally how Marvel handles alternate universes. Ironically, DC in the comics always used a different model, where there are a finite number of discrete parallel universes, each different in its own way, but each existing separately from the others in spite of the overlap between them (ie, there's a Superman in nearly every universe). But they're not created by branching timelines as much as they've always existed as they are and always will. Marvel generally did the branching timeline thing, combined with closed loop paradox-free time travel (usually only where Doctor Doom's time machine is involved). Almost every alternate Marvel universe can be traced back to divergence points. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:937267316] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I liked the DC animated movie idea that for everytime a choice is made a alternate universe is created where everything is the same up until that choice but the opposite choice is made thus creating infinite universes with endleas possibilities</quote> That's not really a DC animated idea, as much as it's been a concept in sci-fi forever, and is literally how Marvel handles alternate universes. Ironically, DC in the comics always used a different model, where there are a finite number of discrete parallel universes, each different in its own way, but each existing separately from the others in spite of the overlap between them (ie, there's a Superman in nearly every universe). But they're not created by branching timelines as much as they've always existed as they are and always will. Marvel generally did the branching timeline thing, combined with closed loop paradox-free time travel (usually only where Doctor Doom's time machine is involved). Almost every alternate Marvel universe can be traced back to divergence points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/12/20 5:37:27 PM #246:	You know, after a day I'm still struck by the sheer stupidity of MCU Thanos's villain motive which just doesn't make sense any way you look at it. First and most importantly, populations aren't static and will inevitably regrow until whatever problems they might have faced will once again become an issue, yet Thanos thought his work would be done after a single snap. However, you'd really need a recurring method of culling. (Which was a major plot point in... well, I guess I can't say the anime's name up here without spoiling that.) As a forward-thinking individual, Thanos should clearly be intelligent enough to recognize this issue. Second, the needs for a population will vary drastically planet by planet. While choosing half a population might work to cover a potential overage even if the planet can support five to ten times its current population, it's not going to be nearly enough in other cases to substantially move the needle. That said, it's nowhere near as bad as #1 because it could reflect a pragmatic decision. And finally there's the very simple matter that instead of culling the population to address resource limitation, he could have simply used the Gauntlet in a different way to address those issues without killing anybody. He could have created new resources, a means of continually creating/recycling resources, changed peoples' physiology (so they could survive while consuming fewer resources, different resources, or no resources at all), etc. And honestly, what's the point of having a god-like device if you're going to do the exact same thing you've been doing but on a larger scale? And even when he was talking about recreating existence, it didn't sound like he was going to address any of these issues. I realize that I've probably put more thought into Thanos's motives than the films' creators did. As it is, the motives are more nonsensical than just having Thanos do it so that Death-sempai would notice him. As for the anime spoiler: ~~I'm talking about Gurren Lagann.~~ (Major spoilers) The population in the anime is driven underground by a race of beast men who prevent humanity from re-establishing themselves, building cities, and growing in size. It's revealed that the beast men are doing this at the behest of "Lord Genome" to specifically limit humanity's size, keeping it under a certain amount... because in the distant past Lord Genome lost a disastrous war against another race of super-evolved beings who iirc made it clear that if humanity was allowed to grow beyond a certain point, they'd return and attempt to wipe out humanity. As such, LG represented the lesser of two evils. And this other race -- the Anti-Spirals -- were concerned that Spiral races like humanity would grow and evolve to the point where, among other things, they'd pose a serious threat to the Anti-Spirals. Of course, there's a lot of weird shit in the anime that keeps it from being a grounded scifi. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937270829] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>You know, after a day I'm still struck by the sheer stupidity of MCU Thanos's villain motive which just doesn't make sense any way you look at it. First and most importantly, populations aren't static and will inevitably regrow until whatever problems they might have faced will once again become an issue, yet Thanos thought his work would be done after a single snap. However, you'd really need a recurring method of culling. (Which was a major plot point in... well, I guess I can't say the anime's name up here without spoiling that.) As a forward-thinking individual, Thanos should clearly be intelligent enough to recognize this issue. Second, the needs for a population will vary drastically planet by planet. While choosing half a population might work to cover a potential overage even if the planet can support five to ten times its current population, it's not going to be nearly enough in other cases to substantially move the needle. That said, it's nowhere near as bad as #1 because it could reflect a pragmatic decision. And finally there's the very simple matter that instead of culling the population to address resource limitation, he could have simply used the Gauntlet in a different way to address those issues without killing anybody. He could have created new resources, a means of continually creating/recycling resources, changed peoples' physiology (so they could survive while consuming fewer resources, different resources, or no resources at all), etc. And honestly, what's the point of having a god-like device if you're going to do the exact same thing you've been doing but on a larger scale? And even when he was talking about recreating existence, it didn't sound like he was going to address any of these issues. I realize that I've probably put more thought into Thanos's motives than the films' creators did. As it is, the motives are more nonsensical than just having Thanos do it so that Death-sempai would notice him. As for the anime spoiler: I'm talking about Gurren Lagann. (Major spoilers) The population in the anime is driven underground by a race of beast men who prevent humanity from re-establishing themselves, building cities, and growing in size. It's revealed that the beast men are doing this at the behest of "Lord Genome" to specifically limit humanity's size, keeping it under a certain amount... because in the distant past Lord Genome lost a disastrous war against another race of super-evolved beings who iirc made it clear that if humanity was allowed to grow beyond a certain point, they'd return and attempt to wipe out humanity. As such, LG represented the lesser of two evils. And this other race -- the Anti-Spirals -- were concerned that Spiral races like humanity would grow and evolve to the point where, among other things, they'd pose a serious threat to the Anti-Spirals. Of course, there's a lot of weird shit in the anime that keeps it from being a grounded scifi. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/12/20 9:18:13 PM #247:	Almost as if the Titan was Mad or something --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:937283495] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Almost as if the Titan was Mad or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/13/20 2:06:52 AM #248:	Metalsonic66 posted... Almost as if the Titan was Mad or something No, just angry. Plus I'm pretty sure that nickname was comics only where his reasoning wasn't nearly so flawed. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:937295992] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>Almost as if the Titan was Mad or something</quote> No, just angry. Plus I'm pretty sure that nickname was comics only where his reasoning wasn't nearly so flawed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosAzeroth 04/13/20 3:00:59 AM #249:	Zeus posted... Plus I'm pretty sure that nickname was comics only where his reasoning wasn't nearly so flawed. Yeahhhh His reason in the comics was... Pretty insane tbh. <cite>ChaosAzeroth posted [p:937297561] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Plus I'm pretty sure that nickname was comics only where his reasoning wasn't nearly so flawed.</quote> Yeahhhh His reason in the comics was... Pretty insane tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/13/20 3:11:31 AM #250:	ChaosAzeroth posted... Yeahhhh His reason in the comics was... Pretty insane tbh. He was an incel before incel was even a term. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:937297840] in H1Geek1... [t:78479644]...</cite> <quote>ChaosAzeroth posted...</cite> <quote> Yeahhhh His reason in the comics was... Pretty insane tbh. </quote> He was an incel before incel was even a term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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