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YamaChan
07/04/20 12:17:54 PM
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She had no choice

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KaZooo
07/04/20 1:18:47 PM
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Good who needs her

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KaZooo
07/04/20 2:08:56 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
FNC has Cherry Bullet now but they are just very meh.

All I know from them is Haeyoon

Hay Boooooooooooy

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MixedRaceBaby
07/04/20 2:09:28 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
R.I.P to one of the best groups in the last decade.
i mean

they were ok

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closetjpopfan
07/05/20 6:18:20 PM
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Touch posted...
Yeah that's a shame. I feel like it might be a longevity too. The longer you're together after being around each other almost all the time, I feel like tensions will eventually rise up. But it all depends how they handle those disagreements and stuff. I can see members of Twice getting upset at each other at times, but I don't think anyone has the capacity to be a true bully...except maybe Jihyo cuz she roasted everyone but Nayeon on that one variety show moment lol

On a lighter note, Yeji and Ryujin are so fucking adorable here. Make sure to turn volume on

Too adorable, other groups and companies should take notes on ITZY's style of conflict resolution.

More seriously I agree. Yes because of the happy happy image groups are made to project there are many more conflicts we're not aware of I'm sure (until the time comes when someone has enough and everything explodes) but I really think although probably all groups have their issues that fans don't know about most of them also find ways to solve their differences and at least carry on in peace, yes it's a fake image but idol pop IS image anyways I mean, fans just need to learn that each person is different, each relationship is different and so each group is different, they're human and how well they get along really depends on so many factors, and you can never tell when you'll have a bad clash of personalities until it's too late.

On the other hand that is a good point, bullying is known to be a problem in Korea for starters and some kids may be carrying a lot of bad attitude, the chances that everything will go well with such a character in the mix are messed up since the beginning. And then you have the straight out criminals like Seungri, but I digress.

YamaChan posted...
Groups should just air out their grievances instead of letting them slowly build into long-lasting grudges. Solar and Moonbyul have come to blows before. More than once. But two members of Mamamoo have been best friends since middle school (Wheein and Hwasa).

It's just really sad that this has happened, and it really shows how superficial the relationships we put on pedestals as fans can be.

Exactly, all groups have to find their own ways to get along. Some manage better than others and some obviously manage much worse, for various reasons, some maybe out of their control. Generally speaking fans need to be more realistic but what's new.

Anyways I'm still shocked, you hate to see it no matter what, and so sorry for Mina, I really hope she can recover, she obviously had to endure a lot of crap. And yeah I'm also wondering whether this had something to do with Choa's departure, maybe there were other unrelated reasons, maybe it was the main reason why she left.
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closetjpopfan
07/05/20 6:28:19 PM
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And AOA is pretty "iconic" to revisit an earlier discussion. Seolhyun might take a hit from her association with Jimin but she's still very popular, she always keeps AOA relevant. Many of their songs were pretty popular. Now so much good work is tainted.
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KaZooo
07/05/20 9:28:26 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32si5cfrCNc

Jisoo pretty as usual

Rose....I can't tell if it's the pants, or she gets to wear sneakers instead of heels/platforms...and I knew she could dance really well just under Lisa, but she was great here. Knows how to time "snaps", does the minute things that add to each movement. Shoulders/head/waist/balls of her feet coordinate very well.


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Mezcla
07/06/20 11:10:34 PM
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So uh

Just saw the Irene Seulgi MV

Ahem

I'll be in my bunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujb-gvqsoi0

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Mezcla
07/07/20 1:35:20 AM
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also can we talk about Hwasa's back up dancers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGIuHKeZv0

yowie wowie

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Touch
07/07/20 12:05:15 PM
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Hmmm that Red Velvet subunit.

Makes me want to see a TWICE subunit MV/performance with Jihyo and either Tzuyu or Mina.

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Touch
07/09/20 1:19:36 AM
#464:


Surprisingly, More & More has become the best selling girl group album of all time

http://gaonchart.co.kr/main/section/chart/album.gaon?nationGbn=T&serviceGbn=&termGbn=month#

Previous to this, no other girl group album sold more than 500k but Twice and IZ*ONE did it both in the same month. Congrats to both groups!

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Ruddager
07/09/20 7:29:55 AM
#465:


Touch posted...
Surprisingly, More & More has become the best selling girl group album of all time

http://gaonchart.co.kr/main/section/chart/album.gaon?nationGbn=T&serviceGbn=&termGbn=month#

Previous to this, no other girl group album sold more than 500k but Twice and IZ*ONE did it both in the same month. Congrats to both groups!

It was pretty expected I'd say. IZ*ONE basically ignited an all out sales war between fans of the top girl groups in April 2019 when they took down Twice's long standing first week record (it had stood for nearly 2 years up to that point) which lit a fire under Twice and BP fans asses leading to both groups breaking that new record 2 weeks later when they both released their albums (releasing them on the same day also drove things higher due to the direct competition), then Twice increased it again later that year. Then IZ*ONE came back from the forced hiatus and more than doubled the previous first week record (which they still hold and increased again with their latest album) as well as immediately toppling the overall sales record (which Twice had finally just barely taken from SNSD 2 months prior after like 3+ years of sales trickling in little by little for their TCL1 album from 2016) which motivated Twice's fans to push even harder this time. It also helped that this was the first time since Cheer Up that there was more than 3-3.5 months between Twice's Korean releases which gave fans time to save up more money and hit the record (at least for now, IZ*ONE's album is close behind and still moving units pretty well due to initial stock/shipping issues and BP is always lurking). BP was looking like a lock to smash all these records in September (their fans have literally been actively fundraising money for their next album for 14 months at this point, there was 300k+ albums worth from China alone last I saw) but YG stealth dropping a physical single for How You Like That (and likely the 2nd pre release single too) could kill that since their fans now have to split that money between 3 releases. But they will likely also break the 500k mark with one of them
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Touch
07/09/20 2:15:40 PM
#466:


I guess I was more basing it off reception to the title track but you have a point. I don't really pay attention to the climate of Kpop so...I kinda disregarded everything lol

Also, turn sound on!

https://giant.gfycat.com/GenerousSolidBronco.mp4

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Ruddager
07/09/20 3:27:25 PM
#467:


Yeah Physical sales basically have 0 correlation to the quality of/reception to the title track of the album, especially in modern kpop. Hell for basically every group like 85%+ of total sales are from pre-orders made before anyone can even hear what the song is like
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Touch
07/09/20 3:43:02 PM
#468:


Ruddager posted...
Yeah Physical sales basically have 0 correlation to the quality of/reception to the title track of the album, especially in modern kpop. Hell for basically every group like 85%+ of total sales are from pre-orders made before anyone can even hear what the song is like
True. Ironically though, despite the polarizing reception on More & More, Id have to say it's their most overall solid album to date tbh

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YamaChan
07/09/20 6:32:15 PM
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Physical sales are an indication of fandom size only. It's vitally important for the long-term health of the group, but it's not the most important measurement of popularity with girl groups particularly.

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Ruddager
07/09/20 8:15:28 PM
#470:


YamaChan posted...
Physical sales are an indication of fandom size only. It's vitally important for the long-term health of the group, but it's not the most important measurement of popularity with girl groups particularly.

Id highly disagree, this was something that maybe rang true in the 2nd generation where girl groups besides SNSD couldn't even hope to measure up to boy groups in terms of physical sales and fandom size but not anymore. And yes while the absolute biggest boy groups sales still dwarf the girl groups, only 3-4 boy groups can outsell groups like Twice, BP, and IZ*ONE who are all putting up record sales numbers that no one though were possible for girl groups. From 2007- 2014 only 3 girl groups that debuted in that time ever broke the 100k mark for an album, it was basically seen as a nearly unobtainable benchmark, a "golden standard" of sorts and any group that could hit it would be seen as one of the legendary groups of the generation. From 2014-2020, there have been 8 groups already that debuted in that period and have hit that number. The situation is no longer that girl groups need to rely on digital/public relevancy to be successful.

The public is finicky and cant be relied on for long term success in all but a few cases (mostly just Sistar). I'm sure Momoland thought they were gonna be the next big thing after Bboom Bboom but then the public decided they didnt care anymore and Momoland fell back into being only slightly less unknown/unpopular than before they released it, same story with Crayon Pop and Bar Bar Bar. In kpop large fandoms are king, even for girl groups. Hell JYP himself recognizes this and has changed the whole culture around how his company functions to put a focus on cultivating large fandoms, especially for his girl groups, instead of trying to pander to public tastes.
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Ruddager
07/09/20 8:33:40 PM
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*its actually 10 groups that have hit 100k this generation after yesterdays Gaon chart came out, with Gfriend set to also hit the mark and become #11 very soon based on their growth rate. Also LOONA (who have 0 public support in Korea) will likely get there too and even a group like fromis_9 (who are also not popular with the public) has an outside chance if they're ever allowed to comeback
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YamaChan
07/10/20 8:48:53 AM
#472:


You can disagree but it would be incorrect.

How are obsessed fans literally buying hundreds of albums EACH an good indicator of a group's overall popularity? You know what that indicates?

Fandom size.

BlackPink didn't release their first Korean album until 2018. Were they not a top group until they did?

Cosmic Girls had slightly higher album sales than Mamamoo in 2019.

Do you think they're anywhere near Mamamoo in overall popularity? The answer is no and it's not even close.

Two of the most successful girl groups EVER, Wonder Girls and Sistar, had relatively poor album sales.

With girl groups, relevance with the general public has always been of critical importance.

For instance, GFriend still has great album sales, but their digitals have declined tremendously and nobody considers them a top group.

Album sales will get you in the record books, but if you don't have any hit songs you'll be nothing more than a footnote when people look back on your generation.

SNSD had huge album sales but also HIT SONGS.

Twice and BlackPink are the same now.

So you can disagree with me, but it doesn't make what I'm stating any less true.

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Ruddager
07/10/20 9:19:12 AM
#473:


Of course both factor in to some degree, but frankly "public relevance" in Korea isn't all that important for girl groups or idols anymore.

Idol music as a whole is falling off in popularity among the Korean public but idols are more popular than they've ever been overall and that's due to international fandom and reach. Public support USED to be of utmost important for girl groups because they couldnt amass the kind of fandom support that boy groups could and Kpop didn't have the international reach it does now, meaning they couldn't put together significant tours/merch sales, meaning they had to rely on getting local CFs and ad deals to make money. That's not the case anymore.

There's a reason that essentially every 2nd gen girl group is toast now while "less popular" boy groups from the same era are still going strong. Relying on the public means you're career and relevance can dry up in an instant if public perception changes or shifts while having a big fandom leads to long term success for long after the public and advertisers shift their attention to other newer groups.

I'd argue a group being able to draw in more hardcore supporters from all over the world that will religiously buy albums/merch/concert tickets/etc... for as long as the group exists than others speaks more to their popularity than whether the Korean public like and casually listen to their songs or not, digital success in Korea is just a bonus.

Again, the top Kpop companies themselves are shifting towards a focus on building fandom for girl groups and are making songs more and more aimed toward western tastes rather than pandering to the specific tastes of the Korean public so that should tell you how relevant that is in the current Kpop climate.

Kpop has moved much further beyond Korea than it ever was during the 2nd gen. The Korean public are no longer the authority of what's "popular"
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YamaChan
07/10/20 10:08:36 AM
#474:


I completely disagree once again.

All the album sales in the world will only ever show the power of your fandom and little else.

I've seen this narrative spun about the declining importance of digital sales before, and that's hardly true. The market is shifting, due to oversaturation and the third generation getting a bit long in the tooth, but you will never be considered a top group if you don't chart well.

The difference between a hit song and great album sales is very pronounced if you just look at the impact.

GFriend had magnitudes better album sales than Momoland in 2018, but Momoland had one of the hit songs of 2018. Who had the better year?

There are groups releasing hit songs every single year in addition to their other metrics, and it's the combination of that with album sales that pushes them to the top.

As I said in my original message, album sales are great for the overall long term health of a group. It'll keep them around even after public interest wanes, but it is not more important than being a success digitally if your goal is being a top group and getting a multitude of promotional opportunities as individuals or as a group.

Being a top charting group matters. It gives increased visibility, marketing opportunities and increases the overall brand of the group. This is especially important for girl groups, where a member can skyrocket to fame once their group has grabbed the eyes of the public.

Currently that's Jennie, Hwasa and Irene.

Moreover, it was a mistake to use JYP in your example.

You know who has the longest charting top 10 song of this generation? Twice. You know the only girl group with a song that charted longer? Wonder Girls. You know who had the highest Gaon digital score last year? Itzy.

And Itzy is the only JYP girl group that hasn't perfect all killed the charts. It will happen at some point.

Point is that JYP girl groups have always been behind hit songs, and it's album sales IN ADDITION TO that puts a group over the top.

Just think of this logically. What's a better indicator of popularity?

How many individuals stream an album or how many albums each individual is willing to buy?

And honestly, you can look no further than the idols themselves if you want to know what THEY consider most important.

Oh My Girl just had their first #1 hit song (and shockingly they're everywhere) and cried during a live stream the moment they found out.

APink is the very definition of a stable fandom, with almost 10 years in the books. But hitting #1 on the charts prompted them post on social media about how all the members are crying after hitting the milestone again.

There's video of Solar embracing Hwasa when she found out Hwasa's first solo release topped the charts.

I have NEVER seen idols react this way to album sales.

For girl groups, album sales are vital, yes, but you're not going to raise your profile and be thought of as a top group without top songs. Period.

If you release hit after hit like Sistar or Wonder Girls, you can still be a legendary group.

If you sell lots of albums but have horrible digitals, you will not be remembered nearly in the same way.

I debate this enough elsewhere, and so I'll just agree to disagree here. Always interesting to me when people disregard how critically important digital success is for the overall popularity of a group.

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Ruddager
07/10/20 11:52:26 AM
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Yes, album sales show the power/size of your fandom. What is a fandom? A collection of people who self identify as a fan of a particular group. What do we call things that have a lot of hardcore fans? Popular. I'd easily call a group that can generate that kind of response from people more popular than one with a bigger casual listening audience that can and will stop caring at the drop of a pin.

Who had the better year in 2018? Undoubtedly Gfriend did, despite lackluster charting they were able to continue to grow their fanbase (and therefore popularity) and harnessed that popularity to hold their first concert tour. Whereas by the end of the year that Momoland released their hit song in, nobody cared about them anymore, hell even when the dog was still number 1 you would be hard pressed to find a regular Korean who knew the group name let alone anything about them. Do you think Momoland members wouldn't immediately switch careers with Gfriend if given the chance?

Yes, a member can skyrocket to fame if a group does well digitally and the public likes them. And then that member nearly unilaterally reaps the benefits of that popularity, not the group. Irene being arguably the most publically popular female idol hasn't stopped 4 of the last 5 Red Velvet songs from horribly flopping and hasn't increased the rate at which the group gets CF deals or tv appearances. And regardless of their flops no one claims Red Velvet is no longer a top group.

You say it's a mistake to bring up JYP since their girl groups typically do well digitally and with the public. But if you're seeing the head of a company that historically performs super well in that regard give a public lecture in 2018 about how moving forward their company will completely prioritize building fandom for their current and future groups while not trying to pander to the public and chase digital success, and that doesn't set off an alarm in your head about how the industry itself sees the importance of digital success and "public recognition" you're crazy. Even if other companies haven't outside said it like JYP did the fact that nobody is making girl group songs to fit the typical Korean taste anymore should be all the sign you need. There's no real argument you can make against the entire industry clearly moving away from chasing public relevance.

Yes ITZY had the highest Gaon score in 2019 for girl groups, yet if you compare to just the year prior it barely would limp into the top 10. The public IS moving away from idol music (I live here 6 months a year I see it first hand) and the companies are responding by deprioritizing pandering to them and trying to win their affection.

No sure why it matters what you see idols cry about. Idols cry when they win music shows too so is that more important than album sales? Is that now an important measure of popularity? Is Laboum more popular than IU because they beat her on a music show? Of course not.

Your entire argument seems to hinge on thinking:
1. anyone but internet dwelling Kpop stans care about arbitrary "top group" lists.

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2. That the Korean publics reaction to a group is judge, jury, and executioner on the matter. Despite the fact that Kpop is far bigger than Korea now and there are more consumers and listeners of Kpop outside of Korea than inside of it.

Obviously both is better, no one's arguing that, but youd be a fool to choose digital success/"public relevance" over large fandom if you had to pick one. Clearly you have your opinions which aren't going to change because this is the internet after all so I will also stop there.
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Banana_Mana
07/10/20 1:07:18 PM
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Seems odd to be discussing the Korean public view unless youre part of it... Just saying

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AsucaHayashi
07/10/20 1:16:58 PM
#477:


Banana_Mana posted...
Seems odd to be discussing the Korean public view unless youre part of it... Just saying

speaking of which i dislike the drinking culture of SK. it's like the culture promotes heavy drinking but dare to get behind the wheel under the influence and you'll be crucified for it.

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Ruddager
07/10/20 1:25:31 PM
#478:


Banana_Mana posted...
Seems odd to be discussing the Korean public view unless youre part of it... Just saying

Not sure about the other dude but over the past 18 years I've lived in Seoul full time for 12 of them and the other 6 I went between Seoul and another country in 6 month intervals
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YamaChan
07/10/20 1:50:07 PM
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Ruddager posted...
Yes, album sales show the power/size of your fandom. What is a fandom? A collection of people who self identify as a fan of a particular group. What do we call things that have a lot of hardcore fans? Popular. I'd easily call a group that can generate that kind of response from people more popular than one with a bigger casual listening audience that can and will stop caring at the drop of a pin.

Who had the better year in 2018? Undoubtedly Gfriend did, despite lackluster charting they were able to continue to grow their fanbase (and therefore popularity) and harnessed that popularity to hold their first concert tour. Whereas by the end of the year that Momoland released their hit song in, nobody cared about them anymore, hell even when the dog was still number 1 you would be hard pressed to find a regular Korean who knew the group name let alone anything about them. Do you think Momoland members wouldn't immediately switch careers with Gfriend if given the chance?

Yes, a member can skyrocket to fame if a group does well digitally and the public likes them. And then that member nearly unilaterally reaps the benefits of that popularity, not the group. Irene being arguably the most publically popular female idol hasn't stopped 4 of the last 5 Red Velvet songs from horribly flopping and hasn't increased the rate at which the group gets CF deals or tv appearances. And regardless of their flops no one claims Red Velvet is no longer a top group.

You say it's a mistake to bring up JYP since their girl groups typically do well digitally and with the public. But if you're seeing the head of a company that historically performs super well in that regard give a public lecture in 2018 about how moving forward their company will completely prioritize building fandom for their current and future groups while not trying to pander to the public and chase digital success, and that doesn't set off an alarm in your head about how the industry itself sees the importance of digital success and "public recognition" you're crazy. Even if other companies haven't outside said it like JYP did the fact that nobody is making girl group songs to fit the typical Korean taste anymore should be all the sign you need. There's no real argument you can make against the entire industry clearly moving away from chasing public relevance.

Yes ITZY had the highest Gaon score in 2019 for girl groups, yet if you compare to just the year prior it barely would limp into the top 10. The public IS moving away from idol music (I live here 6 months a year I see it first hand) and the companies are responding by deprioritizing pandering to them and trying to win their affection.

No sure why it matters what you see idols cry about. Idols cry when they win music shows too so is that more important than album sales? Is that now an important measure of popularity? Is Laboum more popular than IU because they beat her on a music show? Of course not.

Your entire argument seems to hinge on thinking:
1. anyone but internet dwelling Kpop stans care about arbitrary "top group" lists.

And

2. That the Korean publics reaction to a group is judge, jury, and executioner on the matter. Despite the fact that Kpop is far bigger than Korea now and there are more consumers and listeners of Kpop outside of Korea than inside of it.

Obviously both is better, no one's arguing that, but youd be a fool to choose digital success/"public relevance" over large fandom if you had to pick one. Clearly you have your opinions which aren't going to change because this is the internet after all so I will also stop there.

Okay, I'm only responding this last time because my position is being misrepresented.

This is all an argument for the long term health of a group, and you're attacking a strawman, friend.

This has never been about choosing one over the other. If you can identify where I said my position was that physical sales don't matter at all or that only digitals matter, I'd be more inclined to think these points are relevant to my position on this, but that isn't my stance.

For girl group popularity, I think physicals really matter and digitals matter more. Notice, I didn't say anything about the longevity of the group.

I brought up APink for a reason. They've sustained for a long time, even during a lull in which they had no major hits (this has changed since 2018 after they reinvented themselves the right way), thanks to their dedicated fanbase. But, I'll ask again, why do you think the members were in tears over their song hitting #1 again?

It matters. A lot. Especially to girl groups.

You're vastly underestimating the importance of digital success, and it's somewhat jarring for you to seem to want to make this about how antiquated my stance is, when there's nothing more antiquated in the music industry than physical album sales.

The digital market isn't dying; it's transforming. Melon is losing its monopoly on the download and streaming space. New platforms are rising. International streaming is becoming more relevant. The Melon market share has declined so much that they're radically changing the way their chart even functions. Case in point: they killed the real-time charts this past week to eliminate fandoms mass streaming.

Now, riddle me this: why do you think Melon took actions to kill fandoms' ability to impact their charts? It's because it's not an accurate representation of popularity or trends.

In no way could you argue GFriend had a better year than Momoland in 2018. That's absurd. GFriend has had a better career and better peaks, but 2018 wasn't a stellar year for them, whereas Momoland was everywhere.

By the way, how did GFriend solidify themselves? With three consecutive hit songs. Me Gusta Tu, Rough and than Navillera. They haven't hit those heights since then, but they haven't had to.

My argument was never that the Korean public is the only body of individuals that matter, and I don't know how you extracted that from my responses.

My factually based opinion is that girl groups benefit the most from huge hit songs, if the discussion is about their overall popularity, brand value, marketing opportunities and general relevance.

Great album sales mean a healthy fandom to support a group with touring, merchandise and other revenue streams that pay the bills more than digital sales would directly, which is why JYP is prioritizing them now.

But I'll just say this.

I've never seen a girl group flop digitally, do well with physical sales and see amazing success. Ever.

I've seen multiple girl groups have relatively pedestrian or poor album sales but still be considered one of the top groups in the industry.

Honestly, for me, it's as simple as this. What's a more reliable measure of a group's popularity?

There's two 1,000 seat concerts being held by two different groups.

One concert sells 1,000 seats to 1,000 people while the other sells 1,000 seats to one person. Do we treat that the same?

Of course not. I'm a super fan for Mamamoo. I know what we do. Now more than ever fans are bulk buying albums. To me, it's far from the best indication of a group's overall popularity and I maintain it's a fandom driven metric only.

There are boy groups that crush girl groups in album sales without being 1/4th as popular after all.

The digital landscape is changing, not going away, and it remains just as important. I've never ever seen a fandom happy with great album sales and mediocre charting (Twice: Feel Special), so if fans, non-fans and the artists themselves care so much about it, that should tell you something.

Aight, this ain't the topic for this kind of debate, but I enjoy talking about these things. I'm actually done with this.

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YamaChan
07/10/20 1:53:02 PM
#480:


Banana_Mana posted...
Seems odd to be discussing the Korean public view unless youre part of it... Just saying

Koreans share their views on idols constantly. It's not hard to figure out public sentiments, track the industry trends, look at key performance metrics and figure out how a group is doing overall.

You can live in Korea your whole life and have no idea about those things if you don't look into them.

By that logic, only Koreans can have rationalized opinions about K-Pop groups and that is irrational.

Plus, I've been to Korea a few times myself. Not that it really means anything or gives me any extra credentials in an argument. But since it's been brought up...

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Mezcla
07/10/20 1:55:31 PM
#481:


wtf is happening

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YamaChan
07/10/20 1:59:04 PM
#482:


Kpop Geekdom happened. Please disregard. We can return to posting great pictures of pretty idols.

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Mezcla
07/10/20 2:00:23 PM
#483:


YamaChan posted...
Kpop Geekdom happened. Please disregard. We can return to posting great pictures of pretty idols.
now thats what im talking about



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Ruddager
07/10/20 2:04:52 PM
#484:


Speaking of which, Dispatch uploaded pictures of ITZY in their Instagram yesterday and Ryujin is blonde now, I know they were rumored for a summer comeback so they must already have started preping


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Touch
07/10/20 2:09:49 PM
#485:


Yes. They're slated for a late July comeback.

Blonde Ryujin is a banger already. But man I miss the pink hair. There's something about girls with pink hair when they're not overly feminine cutesy and have a badass aura around them.

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YamaChan
07/10/20 2:12:00 PM
#486:


Ryujin is <3

Saw them at KCON LA last year. Gorgeous!

Maybe I'll upload the video

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Touch
07/10/20 2:18:37 PM
#487:


Also who was it that said they like idols in street clothes more? I think KaZoo. Well technically this is brand name AND street clothes lol





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Mezcla
07/10/20 5:22:01 PM
#488:


man Lisa is way too talented for YG or blackpink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-4Y17xMRY&feature=emb_title

fucking damn.

also fuck chris brown.

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Touch
07/10/20 5:37:01 PM
#489:


Might be premature but just wanted to say thanks Bros for (hopefully) getting me my first 500 topic ever. Does anyone want to make the next topic or should I?

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Mezcla
07/10/20 5:45:00 PM
#490:


go ahead and make it again cuz i dont wanna be searching for it lol

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Touch
07/10/20 5:59:05 PM
#491:


Okie dokes. Gotta think of a clever title lol

Also, imagine a Lisa, Momo and Chungha stage

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Ruddager
07/10/20 7:52:07 PM
#492:


My copies of Fanfare arrived today, they kinda cheaped out on th pacakging this time though, the A versions are usually a little more elaborate than a jewel case in a sleeve but whatever. Didnt get any individual member photocards either >_>

June and July have been attacking my wallet though. BOL4 album, 3 versions of More & More, 3 Versions of Oneiric Diary, 2 more copies of Oneiric Diary that are singed, 3 versions of Monster, How You Like That physical single, 2 copies of IZ*ONE's D-ICON magazine (Sakura and Minju covers), 3 versions of Fanfare, one of every version of whatever ITZY releases later this month, and who knows what else might get announced
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YamaChan
07/10/20 8:19:07 PM
#493:


Sitting here waiting for a Mamamoo comeback. Especially now that they're in their contract year.

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Touch
07/10/20 9:02:11 PM
#494:


Ruddager posted...
My copies of Fanfare arrived today, did they kinda cheap out on the pacakging this time? I thought the A versions are usually a little more elaborate than a jewel case in a sleeve but maybe im thinking of the albums and not the singles. Didnt get any individual member photocards either >_>

June and July have been attacking my wallet though. BOL4 album, 3 versions of More & More, 3 Versions of Oneiric Diary, 2 more copies of Oneiric Diary that are singed, 3 versions of Monster, How You Like That physical single, 2 copies of IZ*ONE's D-ICON magazine (Sakura and Minju covers), 3 versions of Fanfare, one of every version of whatever ITZY releases later this month, and who knows what else might get announced
Damn bro. I'm guessing you have some kind of bookshelf or something of all your albums and stuff? If that's your haul for 1 month, I can only imagine your whole collection @__@

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closetjpopfan
07/10/20 9:13:46 PM
#495:


Touch posted...
Might be premature but just wanted to say thanks Bros for (hopefully) getting me my first 500 topic ever. Does anyone want to make the next topic or should I?

Cheers, thanks for making it. As long as there's one of these around I'll post in it at some time.

I suggest an ITZY title because they're coming back and it's gonna be YUGE.
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Mezcla
07/10/20 9:53:00 PM
#496:


Ruddager posted...
My copies of Fanfare arrived today, did they kinda cheap out on the pacakging this time? I thought the A versions are usually a little more elaborate than a jewel case in a sleeve but maybe im thinking of the albums and not the singles. Didnt get any individual member photocards either >_>

June and July have been attacking my wallet though. BOL4 album, 3 versions of More & More, 3 Versions of Oneiric Diary, 2 more copies of Oneiric Diary that are singed, 3 versions of Monster, How You Like That physical single, 2 copies of IZ*ONE's D-ICON magazine (Sakura and Minju covers), 3 versions of Fanfare, one of every version of whatever ITZY releases later this month, and who knows what else might get announced
are you the dude on youtube who bought 100 copies of an album so he could get picked for the fan meet up

how beautiful is sana i bet shes amazing

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Ruddager
07/10/20 9:59:30 PM
#497:


Touch posted...
Damn bro. I'm guessing you have some kind of bookshelf or something of all your albums and stuff? If that's your haul for 1 month, I can only imagine your whole collection @__@

Ive got like 4 large drawers packed full of stuff plus a bunch more sitting around that dont fit, space is an issue I've had for like a year at this point. Ive got everything that SNSD, TTS, Taeyeon, Oh!GG, IU, Red Velvet, Twice, IOI, BP, BOL4, Sejeong, IZ*ONE, and ITZY have released in both Korea and Japan as far as albums (and I buy all versions generally except in cases where some of the covers have individual members and I can choose which version instead of it being random, like with IZ*ONE I only do Sakura/Minju/Eunbi stuff) as well as signed copies of every version of all of IZ*ONE's albums, all of IZ*ONE's photobooks, an SNSD photobook, and a few AKB/HTK Singles where Sakura was the center. I cant see myself adding any more groups to my buy list at this point (unless Sakura sticks around and joins a kpop group post IZ*ONE, or if Minju ends up in a group) but there are certain idols whose albums I will buy if they release solo stuff (eunbi will likely end up as a solo for instance) or if groups I already support do subunits with members I particularly care about Ill end up buying those too
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Ruddager
07/10/20 10:05:23 PM
#498:


Mezcla posted...
are you the dude on youtube who bought 100 copies of an album so he could get picked for the fan meet up

how beautiful is sana i bet shes amazing

lol no, I dont bulk buy for fan meets/hitouches but I have been to quite a few over the years for a bunch of groups and I just did one of those virtual fansigns that all the groups are doing now with IZ*ONE. I just pick up one of every version of the albums that groups I like put out.

For Twice I'm all about Mina but Sana is also quite pretty in person and was very pleasant to talk to
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Touch
07/10/20 10:06:52 PM
#499:


Sana is all about that fanservice. I remember one of my early memories of her/Twice is one of the fanmeets where she just looked hella attentive to the fan she was talking to.

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defnotanth0ny
07/10/20 10:07:13 PM
#500:


down with k-pop once and for alllll

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