Current Events > Study: "Tough Men" are more likely to kill themselves

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https://www.newsmax.com/Health/health-news/men-mental-health-suicide/2020/02/14/id/954122/

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925447

Young men who believe that "real men don't cry" may be more prone to suicide, a new study suggests.

It has long been known that men are more likely than women to end their own lives: In the United States, the suicide death rate among men is about 3.5 times that of women, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The statistics raise the question of whether traditional norms about masculinity could play some role, said lead researcher Daniel Coleman.

On the face of it, he explained, it makes sense that those expectations of "manly" men which include denying emotions, not reaching out for help, and aggressiveness could contribute to suicide risk.

But it's also a challenging subject to study, said Coleman, an associate professor in the Graduate School of Social Services at Fordham University in New York City.

To start to dig into it, his team used data from a health study that began tracking over 20,700 U.S. teenagers back in 1995. By 2014, 22 of them had died by suicide all but one of whom were men.

The researchers found that young men who'd scored in the "high traditional masculinity" range were 2.4 times more likely to die by suicide than other men.

That measure was based on traits like "not crying," a resistance to being "emotional" or "moody," staying physically fit, and "risk-taking."

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No shit?

When you're taught that feeling emotions makes you weak, it's no wonder some men crack under the pressure of life. They've been taught all their life that "real" men don't seek help.

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Umbreon posted...

When you're taught that feeling emotions makes you weak, it's no wonder some men crack under the pressure of life. They've been taught all their life that "real" men don't seek help.

Yeah.

More veterans have committed suicide in the last 10 years than U.S. combat casualties in Vietnam.

Yeah. It's the toxic part in "Toxic Masculinity". On it's own masculinity is fine. But when your force yourself into denial by putting on an unrealistic show of masculinity, you risk running into some real bumpy roads. Anything that stops you from exploring and observing your emotional output is gonna cause distress down the road.

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Toxic masculinity teaches men to repress their feelings. That shit isn't healthy.

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Not surprised at all.
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Do you guys think things will change? Or will men continue sticking to outdated ideas about what it means to be a man?

Sounds like bullshit, to be honest.

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Infost posted...

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https://i.redd.it/7dwnnju30jz01.jpg

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Well yeah

The entire notion of "Being Tough" comes from insecurity

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I've had FB friends say that toxic masculinity is a feminist agenda/myth...but then harp on about the staggeringly high amount of suicides with men compared to women.

Sometimes I want to scream "THAT'S literally why the rate is so high!"

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Aaron Hernandez.

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Given a lot of pro wrestling deaths are suicide...

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Hayame Zero posted...

I've had FB friends say that toxic masculinity is a feminist agenda/myth...but then harp on about the staggeringly high amount of suicides with men compared to women.

Sometimes I want to scream "THAT'S literally why the rate is so high!"

Uhg yeah that pisses me off too.

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Hayame Zero posted...

I've had FB friends say that toxic masculinity is a feminist agenda/myth...but then harp on about the staggeringly high amount of suicides with men compared to women.

Sometimes I want to scream "THAT'S literally why the rate is so high!"

Yup.

Sounds like a bill burr skit

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SauI_Goodman posted...

Aaron Hernandez.

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Staying physically fit is correlated with suicide? That's a surprise to me.

Or is it just the preoccupation of staying physically fit, not actually being fit?

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catIRL posted...

Staying physically fit is correlated with suicide? That's a surprise to me.

Or is it just the preoccupation of staying physically fit, not actually being fit?

Depends on the mindset. There's regularly lifting weights and getting fit for general health and for fun, and then there's wanting to get buff because they think they're a weakling. The latter mentality can be dangerous to self-confidence.

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I don't know who keeps doing all these "no shit" studies but they seriously need to stop getting funding.

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If you were raised one way you cant just tell someone "Its ok now" to do something.


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Pretty sure this """"study"""" was conducted by a soy cuck betamax

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Lairen posted...

If you were raised one way you cant just tell someone "Its ok now" to do something.

bull


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DevsBro posted...

I don't know who keeps doing all these "no shit" studies but they seriously need to stop getting funding.

They're important. Sure, it's obvious to us, but there are a lot of people like

Vicious_Dios posted...

Sounds like bullshit, to be honest.

who don't know any better.

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Guide is correct.

These studies reaffirm what the majority of people already know, but they also bring awareness to an issue that benighted trailer folk, like Vicious_Dios, don't know about.

It's in part toxic masculinity but women help in encouraging gender roles as well. Cry in front of your girlfriend/wife or express extreme emotional weakness, many will tell you "be a real man" as well. Society in general still expects men to adhere to strict gender roles as they break down for women. I feel like just stating these things too would elicit many "oh boohoo, quit your whining, bitch" from both men and women, maybe not on this forum but elsewhere.

But yes, I believe it does contribute to suicide. I work with 95% dudes, most aren't "tough guys" but the few that are you can tell are pretty fucked in the head. If you talk to them, every once in a while you see some vulnerability squeak out before they "correct" themselves and go back to talking about bitches they want to bang and how no one should fuck with them. I feel like a lot of these guys feel powerless in a certain situation (a lot either struggle with money and/or with their marriage and kids) and overcompensate in a different aspect of their lives pretending they're an alpha male.

Being "tough" in the traditional sense (AKA, choking on your emotions, never developing emotional intelligence or the ability to confide in others in a healthy way) is the same as being brittle. It's like a piece of rusted metal. Yes it looks tough, but when it takes a real impact that would destroy anything, it can't bend, so it breaks.

Human beings need to learn how to deal with emotions as friends and signals, not as weaknesses to be buried. All human beings need that.

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PesticideDream posted...

But yes, I believe it does contribute to suicide. I work with 95% dudes, most aren't "tough guys" but the few that are you can tell are pretty fucked in the head. If you talk to them, every once in a while you see some vulnerability squeak out before they "correct" themselves and go back to talking about bitches they want to bang and how no one should fuck with them. I feel like a lot of these guys feel powerless in a certain situation (a lot either struggle with money and/or with their marriage and kids) and overcompensate in a different aspect of their lives pretending they're an alpha male.

legendary_zell posted...

Being "tough" in the traditional sense (AKA, choking on your emotions, never developing emotional intelligence or the ability to confide in others in a healthy way) is the same as being brittle. It's like a piece of rusted metal. Yes it looks tough, but when it takes a real impact that would destroy anything, it can't bend, so it breaks.

Human beings need to learn how to deal with emotions as friends and signals, not as weaknesses to be buried. All human beings need that.

Since it'll come up: No, no one is saying that you need to be emotional if you're just naturally stoic. That's fine. The toxicity comes from forcing it and ignoring your mental health.

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Men in general are more likely to kill themselves because society offers zero safety nets where in contrast women are helped with even the most inane issues.

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Only a dumbass wouldn't know this

Guide posted...

Since it'll come up: No, no one is saying that you need to be emotional if you're just naturally stoic. That's fine. The toxicity comes from forcing it and ignoring your mental health.

Yeah, stoicism to a degree can be healthy: you shouldn't be overwhelmed by your emotions, but you can't ignore them either. You need to be able to face up to them and process them healthily, and be able to talk about them with people you trust. Women are just generally taught to be more honest and open about their feelings when they are kids than we are.

TheTrueAmerican posted...

Men in general are more likely to kill themselves because society offers zero safety nets where in contrast women are helped with even the most inane issues.

Well, what do you mean by safety net?

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How about a basic need like more homeless shelters? Men have theirs closed or even flat out converted to ones for women. Men are a much higher percentage of the homeless population and need help. Men are also neglected on the mental health front and generally just tossed in jail to make it go away. We need more mental health wards designed for guys only, because when women get involved it becomes all about them.

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TheTrueAmerican posted...

How about a basic need like more homeless shelters? Men have theirs closed or even flat out converted to ones for women. Men are a much higher percentage of the homeless population and need help. Men are also neglected on the mental health front and generally just tossed in jail to make it go away. We need more mental health wards designed for guys only, because when women get involved it becomes all about them.

I agree with more homeless shelters, but I can't say I've seen a phenomenon of mental health wards being taken over by women.

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Not surprised in the least. I had an Uncle that was very militaristic in his attitude alone. Always had to be the big guy in everything and starting fist fights to prove he's the bigger man. Than about 5 years ago, he shot himself with a gun to the mouth. We had no idea why he would do such a thing, but my aunt was looking at medical records it showed that he was suffering from depression. He hid all of this from us, the worst part was he showed almost no signs of depression at all. He definately was repressing his feelings and our whole family was so shocked at the revelation. I mostly feel for my aunt because she never once had a chance to sit down and talk with my uncle on anything and now she lives in that regret to this day.

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This isn't surprising at all.

Why would a weak man kill himself? The weak man is scared of death.

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KillerSlaw posted...

This isn't surprising at all.

Why would a weak man kill himself? The weak man is scared of death.

This is so ass backwards I'm not really sure what angle to tackle it from. This might be the most informationally dense gish gallop of all time.

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Prestoff posted...

Not surprised in the least. I had an Uncle that was very militaristic in his attitude alone. Always had to be the big guy in everything and starting fist fights to prove he's the bigger man. Than about 5 years ago, he shot himself with a gun to the mouth. We had no idea why he would do such a thing, but my aunt was looking at medical records it showed that he was suffering from depression. He hid all of this from us, the worst part was he showed almost no signs of depression at all. He definately was repressing his feelings and our whole family was so shocked at the revelation. I mostly feel for my aunt because she never once had a chance to sit down and talk with my uncle on anything and now she lives in that regret to this day.

Damn :/

TheTrueAmerican posted...

How about a basic need like more homeless shelters? Men have theirs closed or even flat out converted to ones for women. Men are a much higher percentage of the homeless population and need help. Men are also neglected on the mental health front and generally just tossed in jail to make it go away. We need more mental health wards designed for guys only, because when women get involved it becomes all about them.

My city already tried to address having a mental health facility designed specifically for men and it got shutdown 3 years later because of low attendance. It got restructed back up as a regular mental health facility with 95% of their patients being females. The rough part is men are just less likely to seek out help vs women and we need to bring more awareness that seeking help doesn't make a person weaker or less of a man.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Sounds like bullshit, to be honest.

Well I mean, when you read the rest of the articles and not just react to the click batey title and small snippet tc edited, yes.

It's a likeliness based on an association of a small number of chosen suicides for the study, not a cause and effect. The article also admits that men are far more efficient at killing themselves, which also accounts for the higher suicide rate in comparison to women.

These studies don't bring into question the rate of attempted and failed suicides by women or reasoning for why they would want to kill themselves either.

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It takes balls to it. Girly men lack them.

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Guide posted...

This is so ass backwards I'm not really sure what angle to tackle it from. This might be the most informationally dense gish gallop of all time.

Basically trivialising suicide with macho garbage.

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StickFigures720 posted...

Basically trivialising suicide with macho garbage.

Yeah. KillerSlaw's comment is easily the dumbest one is this topic so far.

This would have never happened 10 years ago:

https://thestatetimes.com/2020/02/21/fraternities-host-toxic-masculinity-awareness-event/

On Thursday, Feb. 13, three multicultural fraternities on campus, Phi Beta Sigma, Lambda Sigma Upsilon and Lambda Alpha Upsilon, held an event in Fitzelle Hall on toxic masculinity. This event presented a discussion on the socialization of men. The fraternities asked students to attend with an open mind with hopes of both debating and exploring the issues that toxic masculinity has created.

Masculinity is contemporarily understood to be a social concept used to define traits or characteristics related to men or how society believes a man should behave. Toxic masculinity is described as men using these traits to assert their dominance over women and to reject any feminine qualities. This in turn restricts boys and men from displaying their emotions or else they will be perceived as weak and girly.

The students that attended posed questions in which they asked who toxic masculinity affects and if there was one concrete definition as to what makes a real man. The event was not only educational, but gave students an opportunity to voice their opinions on how to address the problem.

Shawn Robinson of Phi Beta Sigma said the fraternities also presented ways for men to redefine what masculinity means to them. These tips included teaching boys that it is okay to cry and be themselves, to reject the phrase be a man and to enjoy activities outside of rough sports.

Robinson hopes that everyone who attended the event can go out and help break down the cycle of toxic masculinity in our communities. Bringing attention to this topic can help prevent men from suffering in silence.

People seem to be a lot more aware these days.