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Judgmenl
02/14/20 7:21:11 PM
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The made some of the best games of all time.

They went defunct and were bought out by their competitor, Enix almost two decades ago and one of the best game series, Final Fantasy was dragged through the mud. One of the best game series of the 90s, was basically turned into one of the worst of the 2010s, basically becoming known for nothing more but mobile and mmorpg cash grabs.

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pedro45
02/14/20 7:22:19 PM
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When did they come together? What final fantasy was it?

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Lokarin
02/14/20 7:22:21 PM
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HornedLion
02/14/20 7:23:29 PM
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InfernalFive
02/14/20 7:24:11 PM
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pedro45 posted...
When did they come together? What final fantasy was it?
11 I believe, or 12.

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Judgmenl
02/14/20 7:25:51 PM
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pedro45 posted...
When did they come together? What final fantasy was it?
Final Fantasy X-2 was the last game Squaresoft produced.

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InfernalFive
02/14/20 7:28:50 PM
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Although 12 was in development before the merger IIRC.

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Judgmenl
02/14/20 7:30:02 PM
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Hiroyuki Ito was the director known for introducing ATB starting in Final Fantasy IV and he was also both the director of Final Fantasy IX and Final Fantasy XII. I'm really wondering how much of FFXII's development was done under Squaresoft. What happened to Ito anyways? He hasn't made a game since.

InfernalFive posted...
Although 12 was in development before the merger IIRC.
If I remember it was the game in development while the merger happened. You can see the changes to the series starting here with the introduction of Vaan and Panello as awful leads.

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InfernalFive
02/14/20 8:07:55 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Hiroyuki Ito was the director known for introducing ATB starting in Final Fantasy IV and he was also both the director of Final Fantasy IX and Final Fantasy XII. I'm really wondering how much of FFXII's development was done under Squaresoft. What happened to Ito anyways? He hasn't made a game since.

If I remember it was the game in development while the merger happened. You can see the changes to the series starting here with the introduction of Vaan and Panello as awful leads.
Yeah that and the plot taking a complete nosedive during the second half. It's one of my top 3 FF but you can tell it had a very shaky development.

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BlackScythe0
02/14/20 8:38:01 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
Although 12 was in development before the merger IIRC.

Yep, the director of the game was changed midway and they made some really bad decisions like ditching Basche as the main character and adding Vaan and Penelo, with Vaan being one of the worst main characters in any video game I've ever tried.

12 could have been good, but it just came out a total shit show.
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Red_Frog
02/14/20 8:39:10 PM
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Square had been dragging FF through the mud long before Enix got their hands on them.
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wwinterj25
02/14/20 8:43:15 PM
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Squaresoft was better but Square-Enix isn't bad. As for Final Fantasy yeah it went downhill after X. Still for a ongoing series Kingdom Hearts is still ticking the right boxes for me. Also Final Fantasy VII: Remake is looking good.

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Bulbasaur
02/14/20 8:49:45 PM
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square sucked after 9 anyways.

x was a garbage storm, 12 was actually decent, 13 would have been better if it weren't called final fantasy, and 15 was just a fuckin shitshow with great graphics and mechanics

14 is good tho.

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Judgmenl
02/14/20 8:50:58 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
square sucked after 9 anyways.

x was a garbage storm, 12 was actually decent, 13 would have been better if it weren't called final fantasy, and 15 was just a fuckin shitshow with great graphics and mechanics

14 is good tho.
Only 1 of those games was fully made by Squaresoft and you're wrong about the quality of the game.

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Bulbasaur
02/14/20 9:02:17 PM
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that doesn't matter and i'm absolutely not

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The_tall_midget
02/14/20 9:05:45 PM
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Square and Enix actually made a lot of good games before they merged. A shame that once they became an entity, that they stopped making so many games and decided to focus on so few titles.

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Metalsonic66
02/14/20 9:19:56 PM
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XIII actually had a good battle system once everything opened up.

Unfortunately that takes about 20 hours.

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wwinterj25
02/14/20 10:04:33 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
that doesn't matter and i'm absolutely not
You are though.

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Revelation34
02/15/20 12:25:53 AM
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Bulbasaur posted...
square sucked after 9 anyways.

x was a garbage storm, 12 was actually decent, 13 would have been better if it weren't called final fantasy, and 15 was just a fuckin shitshow with great graphics and mechanics

14 is good tho.


Wat.
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VioletMassacre
02/15/20 12:35:42 AM
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The XIII Trilogy is amazing, and if Enix and Square had to become one for it to happen, then it was for the best.
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BlackScythe0
02/15/20 12:55:41 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Wat.

People frequently try to argue that people would love 13 if they weren't trying to compare it to previous games in the series. I don't really know much about 2-3 but I'm pretty sure 13 still would have gotten criticism no matter what.
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Mead
02/15/20 12:59:46 AM
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iirc Square was supposed to basically take over Enix but because Spirits Within was such a massive turd they were in a terrible position and Enix took over Square and made things even more turdy

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wwinterj25
02/15/20 1:01:49 AM
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XIII is ass. Didn't bother with the rest in the trilogy.

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DeathMagnetic80
02/15/20 1:18:13 AM
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The_tall_midget posted...
Square and Enix actually made a lot of good games before they merged. A shame that once they became an entity, that they stopped making so many games and decided to focus on so few titles.

I mean, the fact is that with development costs, etc, it's not as feasible to crank our games at the pace they used to. That being said, if you look up a list of games released since the merger, it's pretty big.
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WhiskeyDisk
02/15/20 1:39:05 AM
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Is a Vagrant Story remake/sequel too much to ask for?

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Lokarin
02/15/20 2:03:12 AM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Is a Vagrant Story remake/sequel too much to ask for?

There's a posibility of an Ivalice Alliance reboot, but I doubt a sequel will be made... spiritual successor perhaps.

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WhiskeyDisk
02/15/20 2:06:20 AM
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Lokarin posted...
There's a posibility of an Ivalice Alliance reboot, but I doubt a sequel will be made... spiritual successor perhaps.

Clearly this is not what I'm asking for.

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RoboXgp89
02/15/20 3:19:33 AM
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they tried to turn final fantasy into mario
but instead of improving it
they just make it a completely different genre each time
like why have online games be 11,14
12 should've been another offshoot
same with 15

if square-enix didn't suck they would've had a dark souls like game with the mana series ages ago
but square is for casual gamers and little girls now
so we get stuff that'd basically run on IOS

nobody hated ff12 either, fftactics advance was fun but people complained about variety in the rules because it was released during the time kingdom hearts and FFX was out
i'm going to pick up xenoblade remake or watch a full playthrough
square isn't worth my money
they already spoiled most of ff7 anyway, who is excited to play it now? not me

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Locke90
02/15/20 3:49:08 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
XIII actually had a good battle system once everything opened up.

Unfortunately that takes about 20 hours.
yeah no gameover if your leader dies is not a good battle system.

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Zacek
02/15/20 4:05:11 AM
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I remember it... like it was yesterday!

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Lokarin
02/15/20 4:41:51 AM
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Locke90 posted...
yeah no gameover if your leader dies is not a good battle system.

What if it had a different framework, not a Final Fantasy game... you have your main character, but your 'party' are just your combat drones (Gundam style)...

You would have the same gameplay, but the leader death would then be justified.

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GreenKnight127
02/15/20 8:12:18 AM
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And the best game they ever made was called Einhander.

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Metalsonic66
02/15/20 9:04:47 AM
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Locke90 posted...
yeah no gameover if your leader dies is not a good battle system.
But people like the Persona games

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Mead
02/15/20 9:07:23 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
But people like the Persona games

you can actually control the other characters though in persona

and you dont just spam attacks while occasionally changing stances for most of the game

and there are actually enjoyable characters

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Metalsonic66
02/15/20 9:09:45 AM
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You couldn't control your party members in the original Persona 3, IIRC. But regardless, his comment has a bit of a hole there.

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Bulbasaur
02/15/20 9:11:11 AM
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Mead posted...
you can actually control the other characters though in persona
not in 3

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Judgmenl
02/15/20 9:29:23 AM
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You couldn't control the other characters in FES either.
I absolutely despised Persona 3.

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Metalsonic66
02/15/20 9:40:02 AM
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I think you could control them in P3P

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BeerOnTap
02/15/20 9:57:22 AM
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If they went belly up, they werent that good to begin with, were they?
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Zikten
02/15/20 3:10:03 PM
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it's kinda weird how Final Fantasy turned bad and Dragon Quest took off in the west. Enix got their revenge
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Xfma100
02/15/20 3:16:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
it's kinda weird how Final Fantasy turned bad and Dragon Quest took off in the west. Enix got their revenge

Not really when FF still sells a ton more.
Even KH sells better in the West than DQ.

FFXIV also became one of the most popular MMOs ever...

With all that said... I thought people were split on FFII, FFIII, FFVIII, and FFX. So FF has always had a few subpar entries.
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Zikten
02/15/20 3:17:47 PM
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well there is also a Dragon Quest mmo. Dragon Quest 10 I think. but they refuse to fucking bring it over here! I bet it would be popular if they had English servers
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Locke90
02/15/20 4:30:31 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
But people like the Persona games
and that was always a staple of those games unlike the ff games

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papercup
02/15/20 4:54:51 PM
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FFXIV is fantastic, because Naoki Yoshida is in charge, and unlike pretty much anyone else that's been in charge of an FF game over the last 20 years, he actually gives a shit.

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The_tall_midget
02/15/20 4:59:25 PM
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Zikten posted...
well there is also a Dragon Quest mmo. Dragon Quest 10 I think. but they refuse to fucking bring it over here! I bet it would be popular if they had English servers

I am unsure. People always scream that DQ games would be popular if brought over, but it hasn't been that long since DQ games have started selling acceptable numbers.

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Revelation34
02/15/20 7:45:56 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...


I am unsure. People always scream that DQ games would be popular if brought over, but it hasn't been that long since DQ games have started selling acceptable numbers.


Yeah everybody knows Dragon Quest VIII sold terribly.
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Judgmenl
02/15/20 7:47:19 PM
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Dragon Quest VIII sold because it had a Final Fantasy XII demo.
Also Dragon Quest is an Enix series, not a Squaresoft series.
Pretty hard to screw up Dragon Quest when the same 2 people (Yuji Horii & Akira Toriyama) have been doing the series for the past 35 years.
Koichi Sugiyama has also done the music for every single Dragon Quest game.

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Revelation34
02/15/20 7:49:35 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Dragon Quest VIII sold because it had a Final Fantasy XII demo.
Also Dragon Quest is an Enix series, not a Squaresoft series.
Pretty hard to screw up Dragon Quest when the same 2 people (Yuji Horii & Akira Toriyama) have been doing the series for the past 35 years.


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Judgmenl
02/15/20 7:50:57 PM
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I bought Dragon Quest VIII because it had a Final Fantasy XII demo.

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Revelation34
02/15/20 7:52:31 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
I bought Dragon Quest VIII because it had a Final Fantasy XII demo.


I forgot anecdotal evidence is the best kind of proof.
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