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Corrik7
02/15/20 6:18:43 PM
#452:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why a head scratcher?
Cuz he was a good Republican candidate that should have been able to win.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 6:19:12 PM
#453:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Lets be fair, its not Obamas fault your life got worse, and we both know that.
What?

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Jakyl25
02/15/20 6:20:09 PM
#454:


Corrik7 posted...

Cuz he was a good Republican candidate that should have been able to win.


Do you think any 2008 GOP candidate could have beaten Obama?
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Corrik7
02/15/20 6:20:46 PM
#455:


Jakyl25 posted...
Do you think any 2008 GOP candidate could have beaten Obama?
Maybe not. But, Romney was a great GOP candidate.

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LordoftheMorons
02/15/20 6:25:33 PM
#456:


Incumbents are hard to beat!

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Jakyl25
02/15/20 6:26:46 PM
#457:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Incumbents are hard to beat!


Yeah unless you have good old Ross Perot
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Corrik7
02/15/20 6:28:05 PM
#458:


Who is gonna run 3rd party this year

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KamikazePotato
02/15/20 6:29:18 PM
#459:


Republican candidates are inherently weak. They number of Republican voters are simply outnumbered by the number of Democratic voters. They have to make up the difference via voter suppression, gerrymandering, not winning by the popular vote, ect. In a neutral playing field, Generic Dem beats Generic GOP every time, and Obama was hardly generic.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 7:44:51 PM
#460:


KamikazePotato posted...
Republican candidates are inherently weak. They number of Republican voters are simply outnumbered by the number of Democratic voters. They have to make up the difference via voter suppression, gerrymandering, not winning by the popular vote, ect. In a neutral playing field, Generic Dem beats Generic GOP every time, and Obama was hardly generic.
Yeah, no.

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CaptainOfCrush
02/15/20 7:58:22 PM
#461:


I mean, there are more Democrats than Republicans in the country. All things being equal, Generic Dem should get more voters than Generic GOP. The GOP candidate only got more votes once in the past seven Presidential elections, when Democrats nominated a candidate who couldn't generate a lick of enthusiasm.

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Reg
02/15/20 8:00:34 PM
#462:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
when Democrats nominated a candidate who couldn't generate a lick of enthusiasm.
And the Republicans had a wartime incumbent
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charmander6000
02/15/20 8:01:58 PM
#463:


Don't registered Democrats out number registered Republicans? That's why Republicans need independents more than Democrats.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/15/20 8:07:17 PM
#464:


Corrik7 posted...
Yeah, no.

Democrats have the population, Republicans have the land. These are just numbers.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 8:20:12 PM
#465:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Democrats have the population, Republicans have the land. These are just numbers.
There are more *registered Democrats* than *registered Republicans* but neither can win an election on their own if both sides simply vote party line (which they don't).

It is not voter suppression. It is requiring people to supply the identification to prove that they legally can vote. You are not suppressing the vote. You are legally identifying the vote.

Gerrymandering happens on both sides as well.

This for example is the breakdown of the 2016 election.

Party
Democrats
89 Clinton
9 Trump
2 Other
37 total percent of vote

Republicans
7 Clinton
90 Trump
3 Other
33 total percent of vote

Independents
42 Clinton
48 Trump
10 Other
31 percent of vote.

Trump 46%
Clinton 48%

1/3 of the vote pretty much was independents. Democrats don't simply win by trotting out generic Dem.

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LordoftheMorons
02/15/20 8:22:33 PM
#466:


Iirc more reliably Republican voters call themselves independents than reliably Democratic voters. I think if you group in partisan independents it's pretty close to even.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 8:24:54 PM
#467:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Iirc more reliably Republican voters call themselves independents than reliably Democratic voters. I think if you group in partisan independents it's pretty close to even.
There is a lot of union Democrats who are basically Republicans at this point. Yet still registered as Dems from the past.

I am sure there is areas where the reverse is the same also, but the Trumpocrats and Repubocrats exists. As you can see, Repubs got more crossover from Dems than Dems got from Repubs there. The registered voters go to the Dems, but it depends on a lot of things. No one is winning an election just by their party having more registered voters. That's for sure.

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Kinglicious
02/15/20 8:40:48 PM
#468:


South Park republicans were a thing and honestly still are.

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MoogleKupo141
02/15/20 8:43:43 PM
#469:


It is not voter suppression. It is requiring people to supply the identification to prove that they legally can vote. You are not suppressing the vote. You are legally identifying the vote.


oh cool you fell for it
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ChaosTonyV4
02/15/20 8:44:37 PM
#470:


Corrik7 posted...
There are more *registered Democrats* than *registered Republicans*

The end.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 8:52:19 PM
#471:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
oh cool you fell for it
It is common sense.

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JeffreyRaze
02/15/20 9:01:35 PM
#472:


Canada's got the common sense solution. I file my taxes, check a box in the return, and I'm registered to vote. I get mailed a slip and I use that to vote. No Fuss.

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red13n
02/15/20 9:03:07 PM
#473:


You can walk into a polling place, register, and vote all at once in California now.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 9:03:12 PM
#474:


JeffreyRaze posted...
Canada's got the common sense solution. I file my taxes, check a box in the return, and I'm registered to vote. I get mailed a slip and I use that to vote. No Fuss.
So you have voter identification.

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JeffreyRaze
02/15/20 9:04:09 PM
#475:


Corrik7 posted...
So you have voter identification.
I do not need to pay anything for it, go anywhere for it, or be inconvenienced in any way for it. It's a much better system.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 9:07:32 PM
#476:


JeffreyRaze posted...
I do not need to pay anything for it, go anywhere for it, or be inconvenienced in any way for it. It's a much better system.
It does sound like a good system. They of course would be hard against it (Dems) because it requires a tax return.

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JeffreyRaze
02/15/20 9:08:44 PM
#477:


Doesn't everyone over a certain age need to file a return?

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Corrik7
02/15/20 9:09:24 PM
#478:


JeffreyRaze posted...
Doesn't everyone over a certain age need to file a return?
No.

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JeffreyRaze
02/15/20 9:11:14 PM
#479:


Well, I learned something today, lol.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/15/20 9:14:03 PM
#480:


Corrik7 posted...
It does sound like a good system. They of course would be hard against it (Dems) because it requires a tax return.

Except Democrats have repeatedly put forth bills that automatically register anyone to vote who registers with agencies (which means they exist), and somehow it never goes anywhere

Here's one: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1353

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Corrik7
02/15/20 9:17:01 PM
#481:


Pretty sure you don't have to file one if you don't owe anything and don't make over like $10,400 in wages or something. Basically, if you are guaranteed to owe nothing you don't have to file taxes.

Thus, Dems would freak out at this idea. Even if everyone was supposed to file taxes, they would still lose their shit over the idea. They want zero roadblocks at all possible with a potential vote. Which, of course, Republicans just want to identify the voter is a legal vote.

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Corrik7
02/15/20 9:19:51 PM
#482:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Except Democrats have repeatedly put forth bills that automatically register anyone to vote who registers with agencies (which means they exist), and somehow it never goes anywhere

Here's one: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1353
It is hard for me to see what that bill actually encompasses. Is there a better link.

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LordoftheMorons
02/15/20 9:50:26 PM
#483:


Apparently Rudys not the only one who likes to drink before a Fox interview

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1228856989993717760?s=21

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Jakyl25
02/15/20 10:02:21 PM
#484:


Corrik7 posted...

It is hard for me to see what that bill actually encompasses. Is there a better link.


Yet another indictment of how stupid our system is if people cant figure out what a bill is on the official Congress.gov site
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xp1337
02/15/20 10:16:20 PM
#485:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
The GOP candidate only got more votes once in the past seven Presidential elections, when Democrats nominated a candidate who couldn't generate a lick of enthusiasm.
Hell, a non-incumbent Republican candidate for president has never won the popular vote in my lifetime and yet they've held the presidency for almost half of it.

And that qualification only covers a single election!

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xp1337
02/15/20 10:33:56 PM
#486:


Also there's no value into buying into this false framing that the only voter suppression the GOP engages in is Voter ID.

They've closed polling places in areas that are disproportionately serving people of color (and thus are expected to be more Democratic), they've restricted early voting both in general and with that same specific intent (like trying to stop "pews to the polls" type efforts in some states, they're brazenly partisan about the kind of IDs they'll accept in places where they do have Voter ID (Like allowing gun permits to serve as valid ID but not college ID), they've messed with DMVs to either have to make people travel literally a hundred-plus miles to get to their nearest DMV for a constitutionally required free ID where voter ID is a thing... and then once they get there often try to make the free ID option as hidden as possible, they purge voter rolls even when they lack good cause to do so, they oppose same-day registration, they've literally had court orders (that are lifting this cycle!) preventing them from sending poll watchers to certain sites because they literally had a history of intimidation and deception like sending armed people with misleading armbands and "titles."

This isn't "just" Voter ID - although that's definitely a big part of it - it's a clear, concerted campaign on the part of the GOP to suppress the votes of people - usually minorities - who they don't expect to vote for them.

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JeffreyRaze
02/15/20 11:43:42 PM
#487:


Jakyl25 posted...
Yet another indictment of how stupid our system is if people cant figure out what a bill is on the official Congress.gov site
You just need to click "text" next to "summary" to read the whole thing if that helps.

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Corrik7
02/16/20 12:01:43 AM
#488:


Looks like that system needs ironed out. Illinois seems to be having problems with theirs. Definitely need to have safeguards in the system if you have some states giving out Drivers Licenses to illegals and such.

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red13n
02/16/20 12:04:15 AM
#489:


Give free identification to citizens.

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Paratroopa1
02/16/20 12:20:27 AM
#490:


xp1337 posted...
Also there's no value into buying into this false framing that the only voter suppression the GOP engages in is Voter ID.

They've closed polling places in areas that are disproportionately serving people of color (and thus are expected to be more Democratic), they've restricted early voting both in general and with that same specific intent (like trying to stop "pews to the polls" type efforts in some states, they're brazenly partisan about the kind of IDs they'll accept in places where they do have Voter ID (Like allowing gun permits to serve as valid ID but not college ID), they've messed with DMVs to either have to make people travel literally a hundred-plus miles to get to their nearest DMV for a constitutionally required free ID where voter ID is a thing... and then once they get there often try to make the free ID option as hidden as possible, they purge voter rolls even when they lack good cause to do so, they oppose same-day registration, they've literally had court orders (that are lifting this cycle!) preventing them from sending poll watchers to certain sites because they literally had a history of intimidation and deception like sending armed people with misleading armbands and "titles."

This isn't "just" Voter ID - although that's definitely a big part of it - it's a clear, concerted campaign on the part of the GOP to suppress the votes of people - usually minorities - who they don't expect to vote for them.

I dunno what conversation is being responded to here but I want to add more to this:

It's important to dispel the myth that the goal of voter suppression is to make it impossible to vote (that's illegal), or to target specific groups of people directly, like black or hispanic people (that's also illegal). The goal is to cut services and put up regulatory barriers that frustrate and eventually dissuade some people from voting, and to ensure that on average those people that are dissuaded from voting are more likely to vote for your opponents rather than you - again, on average. Suppressing votes will suppress some votes that'd go for you, but the goal is to make sure it suppresses more votes that would go against you. This means that republicans do target black voters through indirect means like closing registration or polling places in certain areas, granting them enough plausible deniability so that nobody calls them out on their bluff, or if someone does, that enough of the general populace believes that what they're doing is above board. Of course, it isn't - and I refuse to believe that anyone who has, say, played a game of mafia does not understand the idea of doing something shady while maintaining plausible deniability to make it look like what you're doing is fine. That's how voter suppression works. It's the same deal with gerrymandering - draw the districts with enough plausible deniability that you either don't get called out, or if you do, there isn't enough backing from the courts or the public to punish you.

It's the same deal with how republicans suppress abortion rights - you can't make abortion illegal, but you can cut services and put up crazy regulatory barriers that make it essentially possible for abortion clinics to remain open and for people to pursue abortions within a reasonable manner. As long as it's 100% legal in theory and barely attainable in practice, you can get away with it.
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Kinglicious
02/16/20 12:31:30 AM
#491:


Voter ID is fine, I've never seen it as much of a problem, the main gap is age. Young people tend to not have it but eventually when they go out social drinking or need proof, they get it. It's like $8 for 10 years, with potentially free ID for just NYC. Don't know how the latter works exactly but the biggest bloc without any ID is the one that doesn't vote.

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red sox 777
02/16/20 12:34:08 AM
#492:


Honestly the Dems look ridiculous for opposing voter ID.

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Paratroopa1
02/16/20 12:42:36 AM
#493:


Voter ID IS fine, but only if there is a concerted effort to make sure that it is simple for every citizen of legal age to obtain, and that it is subsidized for citizens of low income (poll taxes aren't legal). The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who live in communities where more roadblocks exist for them getting the necessary identification than you or I. I live in a place where there are enough locations that provide them and they're open at regular, consistent hours and days. I've heard far too many stories of places in the US where the nearest location is far away or where the hours it's open are basically nothing. This is not satisfactory, especially when this is often by design.
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red13n
02/16/20 12:48:49 AM
#494:


They want $37 and for us to spend a day at the DMV just to get a RealID. Its ridiculous.

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Paratroopa1
02/16/20 1:04:34 AM
#495:


red13n posted...
They want $37 and for us to spend a day at the DMV just to get a RealID. Its ridiculous.
Yeah, this shit. This is the thing I'm talking about. Not everyone can afford to do this.
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Corrik7
02/16/20 1:06:46 AM
#496:


RealID is for travel. Not voting.

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red13n
02/16/20 1:09:08 AM
#497:


Corrik7 posted...
RealID is for travel. Not voting.

Its literally what the US government has decided is necessary for proof of identification just to travel within the United States.

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red13n
02/16/20 1:12:03 AM
#498:


Its also the equivalent cost of getting an ID card here(I dont think they are even giving non-real ID identification cards anymore).

The only thing they changed was telling us that these IDs/Driver's Licenses that we already paid for no longer count and we have to pay again if we want to get on a plane(actually I have a passport but I paid an astronomical amount for that too).

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Corrik7
02/16/20 8:54:05 AM
#499:


Bloomberg/Hillary

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Corrik7
02/16/20 8:54:11 AM
#500:


2020

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