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Jakyl25
02/13/20 6:34:40 PM
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xp1337
02/13/20 6:35:34 PM
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I feel like every month is the hottest month on record these days. It's really depressing.

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Jakyl25
02/13/20 6:37:18 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I feel like every month is the hottest month on record these days. It's really depressing.


I mean, it literally leads to more tropical depressions
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red13n
02/13/20 6:37:22 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I feel like every month is the hottest month on record these days. It's really depressing.
SoCal already on the road to another possible drought. Our rainy season continues to be dry.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/13/20 6:50:15 PM
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red13n posted...
Trump gets complicated. Its take things literally when its convenient and then locker room talk or similar when its not.

I gotta be honest, this feels like the opposite of that right now.

Even if you haven't heard the jokes about Mayor Pete

I think "movie with rich elites torturing to blow off steam" connects better to the #1 candidate supported by billionaires (who isn't one), than "Guy getting his tongue cut off" connects to "Pete is gay".

As with everything Bernie, class is the main focus over identity.

Whoops was the "Change" supposed to be the subject of discussion

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Kinglicious
02/13/20 6:51:01 PM
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So when does an AI take over these topics?
It's displacing Americans in every way.

Service workers.
Truckers.
Cam girls.
Presidential candidates.

When does it reach board 8.

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red13n
02/13/20 6:53:28 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...


I think "movie with rich elites torturing to blow off steam" connects better to the #1 candidate supported by billionaires (who isn't one), than "Guy getting his tongue cut off" connects to "Pete is gay".
Problem is there is no context with that image. You have to at a certian point know that 99.9%(You could put more 9s in front of this) of people have not seen that movie when you post a completely contextless image like that.

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red13n
02/13/20 6:54:32 PM
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Kinglicious posted...
So when does an AI take over these topics?
It's displacing Americans in every way.

Service workers.
Truckers.
Cam girls.
Presidential candidates.

When does it reach board 8.
Let is displace us all but government control it and pay us out all the benefits.

Oh wait we killed that guy already.

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FFDragon
02/13/20 6:54:58 PM
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I still don't know how you go from "context less image" to gay bashing though.

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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 6:54:59 PM
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I didn't understand the image at all until was explained. From several different conflicting perspectives, which is always fun.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 6:55:26 PM
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red13n posted...
Let is displace us all but government control it and pay us out all the benefits.

Oh wait we killed that guy already.

Bernie is the candidate closest to this. I like Yang though

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red13n
02/13/20 6:55:42 PM
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FFDragon posted...
I still don't know how you go from "context less image" to gay bashing though.
Without context, it looks pretty fucking rapey tbh.

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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 6:57:27 PM
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That image seems to be some sort of Rorshach test. I had no idea what it was supposed to be inferring from it when I looked at it, but apparently some people did!

Let's stick to the proper ways to bash Pete, like how he's a sleazeball racist

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FFDragon
02/13/20 6:57:31 PM
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I... I think that one is on you, red.

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Reg
02/13/20 6:57:36 PM
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red13n posted...
Problem is there is no context with that image. You have to at a certian point know that 99.9%(You could put more 9s in front of this) of people have not seen that movie when you post a completely contextless image like that.
And do you think it's more likely that the guy who posted it intended the homophobia, or that he was just an idiot who knew the context and thus assumed everybody else would too and "oh look how clever I am"?
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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 6:57:49 PM
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red13n posted...
Without context, it looks pretty fucking rapey tbh.

Not really! I feel bad for responding so quick because I thought it was a homophobic message so I was like"yeah fuck that" but uh... looks like torture.

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MoogleKupo141
02/13/20 6:58:13 PM
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I didnt have the context at first either, but my mind still didnt jump to rape. Whatever was going on with the dudes tongue was what caught my eye.
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StealThisSheen
02/13/20 6:59:45 PM
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Yeah, my eye is drawn to the tongue. I didn't connect it to being "rapey."

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LordoftheMorons
02/13/20 7:00:50 PM
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Oh actually were just saying Pete tortures poor people is not really any better, but its absolutely not believable that someone would post a picture of a naked guy being tortured by a bunch of other people as commentary on a gay guy and have it not even cross his mind that most people would see that as commentary on his sexuality.

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red13n
02/13/20 7:00:52 PM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...


Bernie is the candidate closest to this. I like Yang though
Would have never voted for Yang because he didn't necessarily express the best government know-how but hes not wrong that automation is very dangerous. You can see it the moment you step into say, a McDonalds. They are still paying minimum wage, but now theres less workers and everyone is encouraged to either order on their phones before coming in or on a screen in front of them. McDonalds makes the same megaprofits they always have but have cut workers by as much as half.

(I don't actually eat fast food much anymore but walking into a McDonald's always kind of wows me at how different they are from what i remember)

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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 7:02:21 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Oh actually were just saying Pete tortures poor people is not really any better, but its absolutely not believable that someone would post a picture of a naked guy being tortured by a bunch of other people as commentary on a gay guy and have it not even cross his mind that most people would see that as commentary on his sexuality.

Yes it is. Policy vs sexuality. It is much better to judge someone by the content of their character rather than the things which they cannot control.

As a huge lgbtq+ rights activist... no problem with this. Fuck anyone who diminishes Pete for him being gay.

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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 7:02:53 PM
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Automation is going to wreck society preeetty badly. It's not going to create nearly as many jobs as it will remove

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red13n
02/13/20 7:02:55 PM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
Not really! I feel bad for responding so quick because I thought it was a homophobic message so I was like"yeah fuck that" but uh... looks like torture.
This is where its kind of problematic, because it looks like torture when looked at closely but honestly I had no fucking idea what was going on when I first saw it(It looked like they were feeding him with a spoon or something). People are going to glance at it and see something totally different.

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Jakyl25
02/13/20 7:04:29 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Automation is going to wreck society preeetty badly. It's not going to create nearly as many jobs as it will remove


Thats the point though. The goal is to get to a society where no one NEEDS to have a job to live well
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xp1337
02/13/20 7:05:28 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Automation is going to wreck society preeetty badly. It's not going to create nearly as many jobs as it will remove
this is on society (and largely the mindset imposed by our runaway capitalism) because on its face that should not be something that "wrecks" society.

that you're right that it will speaks more about society and how it's broken imo

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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 7:05:38 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Thats the point though. The goal is to get to a society where no one NEEDS to have a job to live well
Nah, not enough bootstraps in that scenario

If people aren't suffering for their livelihood then how am I supposed to feel better about my own suffering?

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red13n
02/13/20 7:06:00 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Thats the point though. The goal is to get to a society where no one NEEDS to have a job to live well
The problem is the goal is that these rich people can automate everything so they dont have to give anyone else a job they might need to live. All while using automation as an excuse to pay the low end employees they do need limited wages.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 7:06:12 PM
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red13n posted...
This is where its kind of problematic, because it looks like torture when looked at closely but honestly I had no fucking idea what was going on when I first saw it(It looked like they were feeding him with a spoon or something). People are going to glance at it and see something totally different.

Gosh honestly that's a reach. Like maybe but again trump isn't terrible for stuff like this. He is terrible for locking kids in cages. Just as one thing.

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MoogleKupo141
02/13/20 7:06:18 PM
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Oh actually were just saying Pete tortures poor people is not really any better,


that seems extremely better to me. Being critical of Pete as a tool of billionaires is infinitely better than making fun of him for being gay
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LordoftheMorons
02/13/20 7:06:39 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Automation is going to wreck society preeetty badly. It's not going to create nearly as many jobs as it will remove
Its possible, but automation has been going on all throughout human history without this happening and no economic indicators currently show anything consistent with this idea.

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Jakyl25
02/13/20 7:07:09 PM
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red13n posted...

The problem is the goal is that these rich people can automate everything so they dont have to give anyone else a job they might need to live. All while using automation as an excuse to pay the low end employees they do need limited wages.


Yeah thats why dismantling capitalism is part of it
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xp1337
02/13/20 7:07:17 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Thats the point though. The goal is to get to a society where no one NEEDS to have a job to live well
I believe that's the goal but I don't think society does. The whole "dignity of work" and tying jobs/employment/work to human value that has been drilled into us as a society for decades upon decades and are just accepted without question by most people mean that such a development is going to make things much worse before they get better.

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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 7:07:55 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Its possible, but automation has been going on all throughout human history without this happening and no economic indicators currently show anything consistent with this idea.
Automation in this past has still required human intervention to function properly.

Eventually, it won't, or will need an amount close to 0.

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Jakyl25
02/13/20 7:08:31 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Its possible, but automation has been going on all throughout human history without this happening and no economic indicators currently show anything consistent with this idea.


Theres potential for a good Dr Strangelove style sketch about how we cant automate warfare too much because soldiers need jobs
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MoogleKupo141
02/13/20 7:08:46 PM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...


Gosh honestly that's a reach. Like maybe but again trump isn't terrible for stuff like this. He is terrible for locking kids in cages. Just as one thing.


well we talked red down from obviously homophobic to kind of problematic

progress!
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Jakyl25
02/13/20 7:10:11 PM
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xp1337 posted...

I believe that's the goal but I don't think society does. The whole "dignity of work" and tying jobs/employment/work to human value that has been drilled into us as a society for decades upon decades and are just accepted without question by most people mean that such a development is going to make things much worse before they get better.


Yes, the concept of dignity of work is ridiculous and I will never understand how people believe it
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Paratroopa1
02/13/20 7:11:08 PM
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That tweet was definitely potentially homophobic depending on who authored it but in someone else's hands it might not be. really depends on the implications intended - some people will read it as a gay joke anyway, but people have been doing that with everything for centuries so whatever
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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 7:12:24 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Yes, the concept of dignity of work is ridiculous and I will never understand how people believe it
At a base level, it's a concept that is good at making people feel a sense of pride at the work they do or have to do

I mean it immediately gets twisted into worker exploitation, but the very base concept makes sense

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Jakyl25
02/13/20 7:13:52 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
At a base level, it's a concept that is good at making people feel a sense of pride at the work they do or have to do


So its a coping mechanism for having to do things you dont want to to afford to live
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KamikazePotato
02/13/20 7:15:17 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
So its a coping mechanism for having to do things you dont want to to afford to live
This is what most people throughout human history HAD to experience, so yes

Basically our society has progressed faster than that notion

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LordoftheMorons
02/13/20 7:17:40 PM
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Like Im not an expert on machine learning but I understand the basics of it and its not magic and its neither perfect nor applicable to all problems. (And its sure as hell not Skynet)

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xp1337
02/13/20 7:19:06 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
and its not magic
are you trying to ruin my childhood memories of talking with the first chatbots

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ChaosTonyV4
02/13/20 7:19:29 PM
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Wow, going down a rabbit hole of the replies to the tweet, I just now realized that Virgil is the same dude who wrote this legendary article where he infiltrated a White Power group and changed it into an LGBT Southerners for Michelle Obama group.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/avyjkz/virgil-texas-white-power-facebook-group-troll

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Corrik7
02/13/20 7:19:34 PM
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I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about at all, but when you say it is homophobic if someone posts it but not if someone else does... I mean, it likely isn't then.

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red13n
02/13/20 7:19:58 PM
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Reg posted...
And do you think it's more likely that the guy who posted it intended the homophobia, or that he was just an idiot who knew the context and thus assumed everybody else would too and "oh look how clever I am"?
Almost certainly an idiot. But I don't necessarily discount that maybe he knew a little bit of column b would come into play.

It is not a secret that people simply learning Pete is gay is damaging to him.

Its probably slightly more damaging than people learning Bernie is a Jew.

Unfortunately for Warren and Klobuchar they have done a poor job of hiding that they are women.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 7:21:04 PM
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Warren's problem is not that she is a woman. She has been listening to the wrong advisors.

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Corrik7
02/13/20 7:22:00 PM
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Warren's problem is that she is not a minority (and acted like she was).

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red13n
02/13/20 7:22:34 PM
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I mean, its not been her primary problem. But its definitely a problem.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/13/20 7:22:58 PM
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Her primary problem, red?

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red13n
02/13/20 7:25:18 PM
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i realized the statement after I said it. I couldnt change it.

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