Board 8 > Why they gotta change events around? *FFVII remake spoilers*

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-Starbucks-
02/13/20 12:06:01 AM
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Jenova is first fought on the boat, not in Shinra HQ

Who the hell is that new Solider guy?

Why is Hojo analyzing Cloud? He's not supposed to know who he is

Sephiroth doesnt make an appearance until after the Midgar Zolom scene. We're supposed to be in awe of his power.

Why we getting Leviathan and other summons so soon?

Why they gotta ruin the story? Just keep it the same smh
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Epyo
02/13/20 12:14:03 AM
#2:


I love the original story...

But it could be much better. I'm hoping these are signs they're taking steps to build on it a lot more.

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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 12:15:32 AM
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I am glad most people are fine with them making a better game at the expense of rigidly sticking with the original.
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Anagram
02/13/20 12:18:02 AM
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They probably decided you can't have an entire game where you don't meet Sephiroth or learn anything about Cloud's past besides that he used to know Tifa, so they decided to change things up. They also probably decided that you can't have the final boss of the game be a random tank, so they added that Soldier guy and Jenova to add more exposition and fighting.

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mnkboy907
02/13/20 12:20:52 AM
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-Starbucks- posted...
Why we getting Leviathan and other summons so soon?

Staying true would mean the entirety of Part 1 would have no summons at all.

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Drakeryn
02/13/20 12:23:16 AM
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I love the original, but I can replay it anytime

I don't mind them switching things up as long as it's good (which is a pretty big caveat but we'll see)
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StealThisSheen
02/13/20 12:31:01 AM
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Good news!

If you want the exact same story, FF7 has already been rereleased on modern consoles! You don't even have to wait for the remake!

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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 12:32:53 AM
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I will freely admit that I am in the wierd position of thinking this game looks super good while actively disliking all of FFVII that I have played (through the end of disk 1).

This just looks super good in a vacuum. Would prefer it was an entirely original thing and not a remake of an old thing but hey, whatcha gonna do!

The only thing left for me is getting my hands on it to see how it feels, because FFXV "looked" good too, but I ended up thinking that was some of the worst combat in the genre. That was particularly frustrating because I actually liked the very first demo they put out, but then they changed it all and made it terrible.
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Aecioo
02/13/20 1:02:10 AM
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Yeah put me in the group that likes this. Remakes shouldn't be shot for shot - the original is already great. Give me a reason other than to relive my childhood

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LeonhartFour
02/13/20 2:13:28 AM
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MichelBollinger posted...
I am glad most people are fine with them making a better game at the expense of rigidly sticking with the original.

I don't think anyone who actually likes FFVII is expecting this to be better, but I wasn't expecting a 1:1 remake, so this is fine.

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-Starbucks-
02/13/20 3:17:44 AM
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mnkboy907 posted...
Staying true would mean the entirety of Part 1 would have no summons at all.


I don't see anything wrong with that - nix summons in this game and include them in the future installments.
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-Starbucks-
02/13/20 3:19:04 AM
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Anagram posted...
They also probably decided that you can't have the final boss of the game be a random tank,


lol that's true
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KingButz
02/13/20 7:10:48 AM
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It's a remake. Movie remakes do this too.
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Lopen
02/13/20 9:54:39 AM
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Yeah I'm in the camp where I want them to redo as much as they can. FFVII was great but I can just replay it if I want. I also feel like it has a lot of room to improve so yeah, I absolutely could see this game being better if they follow through on the hype.

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JonThePenguin
02/13/20 10:59:48 AM
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metaIslug posted...
Remake [...] implies the original was bad kinda.
lolwut?

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swirIdude
02/13/20 12:31:52 PM
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Just play regular FF7 while ordering your next venti.

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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 1:01:39 PM
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KingButz posted...
It's a remake. Movie remakes do this too.

This is different. In movies it's often difficult to either fit a lot of things in from the source and you want to give a somewhat new experience. Look at how awful that psycho remake is (although technically its probably not awful just pointless because its possibly the closest to a copy I've ever seen). But you can make a game that has the same story and doesnt change events or such and still change the experience.

I would think that the points in the story where they place certain events back in 1997 were planned to have the biggest effect possible. What if they made a star wars original trilogy remake and like luke found out Darth Vader was his father 2 hours earlier on another planet? I know these changes are not as big but the notion that its fine to do is beyond me. You can toss in like extra sections to expand on characters we've already met, you can add that new character (but probably make it some sort of flashback or something). You can do a lot of things that add to the game but dont break the integrity of the story.

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HashtagSEP
02/13/20 1:17:08 PM
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KokoroAkechi posted...
But you can make a game that has the same story and doesnt change events or such and still change the experience.

What would be the point?

"Hey, it's the exact same story, but now it's an action game."

And if people don't like it being an action game, they're just going to play the original again, anyway, because then they're missing literally nothing whatsoever from the remake.

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KingButz
02/13/20 1:21:00 PM
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But you could remake a movie without changing a thing about the story and have a largely different experience.

Different actors, different sets, different visual effects, different direction, etc., all could have a profound effect on the movie experience. It's about a lot more than just the story.

That doesn't make the original story sacred or anything.
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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 1:33:38 PM
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I already said they could do things that add to the narrative while maintaining story integrity. But they probably are not doing that here. There is a huge difference in like lore expansion and downright changing the script.
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HashtagSEP
02/13/20 1:37:43 PM
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They can make changes to the script without "breaking the integrity of the story."

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FFDragon
02/13/20 1:42:29 PM
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They're stretching Midgar to be an entire game. Of course things are going to be added and stretched to fill time.

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Xiahou Shake
02/13/20 1:47:56 PM
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The same thing applies with any remake - the original is still there and you can continue to revisit it as much as you like. I'm quite open to them taking liberties that might actually result in us getting a better game.

Hell, I would even be on board if Tifa died instead of Aerith. The online butthurt would be unlike anything gaming has seen, but it sure would be interesting!

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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 1:49:07 PM
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FFDragon posted...
They're stretching Midgar to be an entire game. Of course things are going to be added and stretched to fill time.

My point is there is absolutely no reason to fill the space in with reveals or revelations that are put in the game at certain points in the story for their timing and impact at that spot in the narrative.

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KingButz
02/13/20 1:51:21 PM
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What if it makes the story better?
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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 1:55:08 PM
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Xiahou Shake posted...
The same thing applies with any remake - the original is still there and you can continue to revisit it as much as you like. I'm quite open to them taking liberties that might actually result in us getting a better game.

Hell, I would even be on board if Tifa died instead of Aerith. The online butthurt would be unlike anything gaming has seen, but it sure would be interesting!

So, recently I've been replaying baulders gate 2. It's an all time great game. But its been hard. The UI has aged extremely poorly and navigating anything is a huge pain. When I compare it to modern isometric games like divinity original sin I can tell the system has gone a long way. The characters and story (to a point) are all very well done in the game and even though I had minor gripes I'd say it's among the stronger in gaming. I would really like an updated version of the game, he'll I'd even be okay with like a dragon age style type thing. But I'd be pretty mad if they changed certain character events.
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HanOfTheNekos
02/13/20 2:12:22 PM
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Barrett doesn't say "fuck" anymore, story RUINED

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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 2:14:41 PM
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Over under on Tifa calling Barrett a ****** on the staircase this time
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Leonhart4
02/13/20 2:16:11 PM
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I hope she does just to make MWE apoplectic all over again

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FFDragon
02/13/20 2:30:31 PM
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It would get Vlado all hot and bothered I'm sure

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JackMan
02/13/20 2:39:41 PM
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KokoroAkechi posted...
My point is there is absolutely no reason to fill the space in with reveals or revelations that are put in the game at certain points in the story for their timing and impact at that spot in the narrative.
There is a reason though. Originally Midgar takes you, what, four hours? The first part of the remake is supposed to be the length of a whole game. Imagine how awful it'd be playing for 25 hours and all you saw of the main villain was his sword.

Plus we have no idea now condensed the rest of the game is going to be. They can't keep this pace for the rest of the game, so part 2 is likely going to streamline a bunch to get the story moving. You'd go from a 25 hour game with almost nothing happening, to a 25 hour game with loads. Makes sense to spread it out a bit.

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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 2:43:23 PM
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Like I said, no reason you can't add to the game without changing story points. I'm fine with new characters and expanded character stories to get things we might not have known or to explain things better. But saying that it's okay for them to change things because the game format is simply not friendly to the original story? Come on now.
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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 2:44:25 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Barrett doesn't say "fuck" anymore, story RUINED

Does he really not? Because even though it's minor, let me ask this. Do you think Barrett's constant swearing adds a little flavor to his character? Because I do.
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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 2:45:02 PM
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Square nowadays is absolutely shit at planning out and following through with actual game development, but I am fairly certain they have probably gotten the story layout changes they wanna do already nailed down. I am not worried at all that the they will make the pacing of that work, just worried that the pacing of the actual releases makes that moot because part 2 is going to release in the middle of the next console generation.

Also, after KH, I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE they will release a new physical boxe "collection" release after every single part they out out.
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FFDragon
02/13/20 2:45:10 PM
#37:


metaIslug posted...
Why would a game be remade if it was still good?

*looks at RE2*

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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 2:46:52 PM
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KokoroAkechi posted...


Does he really not? Because even though it's minor, let me ask this. Do you think Barrett's constant swearing adds a little flavor to his character? Because I do.


Barret swearing was completely made up by the translator.

The most baffling thing about FFVII purists to me is how many of them don't actually want a pure remake of FFVII, they want a pure remake of the slapdash mess that was the localization.
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FFDragon
02/13/20 2:48:30 PM
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'okay'

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HashtagSEP
02/13/20 2:59:33 PM
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KokoroAkechi posted...
Like I said, no reason you can't add to the game without changing story points. I'm fine with new characters and expanded character stories to get things we might not have known or to explain things better. But saying that it's okay for them to change things because the game format is simply not friendly to the original story? Come on now.

Again, things can be changed in a script without, as you put it, breaking the integrity of the story. Everything we've seen suggests the same story as we know it is being told overall. You can add a character here, add a boss there, and you don't have to actually be ruining the story in any way. The only thing that is "ruined" is the perfect 1:1 story retelling you apparently want.

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MichelBollinger
02/13/20 3:01:49 PM
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Yeah but that shit just isn't gonna happen. Even if this was literally a 1 to 1 perfect recreation of FFVII that would be 100% faithful, you would nto get ANY of that. It's not POSSIBLE.

They would not keep Tifa calling Barret a ******. They would not keep Barret as a racist jive talking Mister T caricature. They would not keep accidental translation errors. They would not keep her name Aeris. Even under those conditions it would not happen!

Hell, they ALREADY removed Barret calling Cloud WHITE in subsequent rereleases of ORIGINAL FFVII!
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Nelson_Mandela
02/13/20 3:06:23 PM
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Jenova is first fought on the boat, not in Shinra HQ - I don't hate this as long as they are fighting some mystery thing and they don't realize it's Jenovah yet

Who the hell is that new Solider guy? - Square has a terrible track record of making new characters in the past decade so I am not optimistic, but not inherently opposed

Why is Hojo analyzing Cloud? He's not supposed to know who he is - they better not kill the Nibelheim reveal aka the third-best moment of the entire game

Sephiroth doesnt make an appearance until after the Midgar Zolom scene. We're supposed to be in awe of his power - infuriating... Sephiroth should only be spoken of until Kalm, never seen

Why we getting Leviathan and other summons so soon? - I suppose this doesn't bother me

All in all, the Sephiroth reveal and impatience with the backstory mysteries could kill the game

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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 3:12:45 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Again, things can be changed in a script without, as you put it, breaking the integrity of the story. Everything we've seen suggests the same story as we know it is being told overall. You can add a character here, add a boss there, and you don't have to actually be ruining the story in any way. The only thing that is "ruined" is the perfect 1:1 story retelling you apparently want.

But they are not just adding a character here and a boss here.
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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 3:18:26 PM
#46:


MichelBollinger posted...
Yeah but that shit just isn't gonna happen. Even if this was literally a 1 to 1 perfect recreation of FFVII that would be 100% faithful, you would nto get ANY of that. It's not POSSIBLE.

They would not keep Tifa calling Barret a ******. They would not keep Barret as a racist jive talking Mister T caricature. They would not keep accidental translation errors. They would not keep her name Aeris. Even under those conditions it would not happen!

Hell, they ALREADY removed Barret calling Cloud WHITE in subsequent rereleases of ORIGINAL FFVII!

So I can understand changes based on like "social-political" or whatever stuff you want to call it. People are way mroe fucking sensitive in 2020 then in 1997. Does that mean they should make the changes? I don't know. There is this thing in one of the asassin's creeds games where they purposely changed some things, like a description of a multigendered classroom in an era where only males would be present. Historically accurate? No. But okay? Probably. Or something like say old looney tunes episodes, a lot of which would not fly if they were created today for the same audience. Would it be okay to remake those and change the things that people later accepted as objectionable?
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HashtagSEP
02/13/20 3:23:29 PM
#47:


KokoroAkechi posted...
But they are not just adding a character here and a boss here.

I don't know what to tell you. They've made their choice, they're perfectly in their rights to make that choice. This is basically a situation of... Suck it up and deal with it, or go play the original if you have to have the original so badly.

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TheRock1525
02/13/20 3:25:20 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
All in all, the Sephiroth reveal and impatience with the backstory mysteries could kill the game
You mean all the backstory we already have known for 20+ years?

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KokoroAkechi
02/13/20 3:26:01 PM
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No one is aruging that they dont have the right to make that choice. But I am arguing it's a bad one.
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Nelson_Mandela
02/13/20 3:27:44 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
You mean all the backstory we already have known for 20+ years?
Yes. It's like remaking Star Wars with Luke knowing that Vader is his father from the beginning. Kills a lot of the tension.

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