Poll of the Day > 4 White Kids SUE their MICHIGAN School cause they WON'T let them be RACIST!!!

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4 White High School Students in Saline, Michigan are SUING the district after they were SUSPENDED for posting racist remarks against black students in school!!

The PARENTS filed the suit for their kids alleging they violated their kids first amendment rights on the white students who targeted black football players in school

The admin gave a time out on the racists after they used the N word and made white supremacy remarks on social media

An inclusion meeting was held at the school last week when a white parent was caught on camera asking an hispanic dad "Why didn't you stay in Mexico?"

Community members took to the streets for a rally to slam the racism in their district

The white kids are NOT identified and stated the school made grossly negligent decision to verbally suspend the students and barred them from Saline High School indefinitely

The suit says they admitted to using the N word and other inappropriate and racist language but said it was in between friends and in a "joking manner" and are now suing for damages and injunctions reinstating them and having their names cleared

David Kallman, who represents the students and their parents said the district has no legal right to impose discipline carred out and violated their constitutional rights by reckless judgement since the racist remarks happened off school grounds

2 of the students have returned while the other 2 face explusion after they posted further racist messages against black students with gorilla emoji's and WHITE POWER and THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN as they apparently were offended their football team was majority BLACK!!

A school meeting was held to talk about he racist remarks as Adrian Iraola, a native of Mexico and a US citizen was sharing comments of his own 2 daughters when Tim Burtell, who has 6 kids in the school said shockingly "Why didn't you stay in Mexico?"

It led to shocking gasps from the audience as audience members told him to leave but Burtell took the mic and said "Try being White and walking in a White neighborhood, see what happens"

He then dismissed the racist tweets and said "nobody got hurt. let kids say what they want. It's their right to hate whoever they want"

The school says they do not welcome these kinds of comments as it goes against their values and beliefs in their school system as the Inclusion rally had people holding up signs "Racism Not Welcome"

Do you think it was fair for the school to suspend kids who say racist things?.

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Full Throttle posted...

on social media

Schools shouldn't get involved in things that aren't on their campus.

Full Throttle posted...

said it was in between friends and in a "joking manner"

I think only the person that a comment is directed at should be able to make a complaint about it.

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It's a fact that discriminating is a bane to functional society. Get along or get out.

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Full Throttle posted...

The admin gave a time out on the racists after they used the N word and made white supremacy remarks on social media

You know what, the school might actually have legitimately violated their First Amendment rights here if this is a public school. The kids were being stupid, like so many other kids, on their own time outside the school and the school overreached into their lives outside of the school and deemed something they said to be a violation of school policy.

This would equate perfectly with the city council where you work trying to punish you for saying mean things about your coworkers after you left the city and went back home for the day.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

You know what, the school might actually have legitimately violated their First Amendment rights here if this is a public school. The kids were being stupid, like so many other kids, on their own time outside the school and the school overreached into their lives outside of the school and deemed something they said to be a violation of school policy.

This would equate perfectly with the city council where you work trying to punish you for saying mean things about your coworkers after you left the city and went back home for the day.

It depends on the rules. Like at my job, one guy got fired for posting bad things about the work place on FB. Technically, I'm in an at-will state. So they can do whatever they want. But there are still probably rules against post negative things about the job. If the school said the rules were to not be racist (in or out of school), and they broke the rules, then the school can punish them, I would think...
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the kids should just be executed

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Hm. This one is a bit tough. It's clearly not ok what the kids did, but it's also not illegal. I don't know exactly the limit to what schools can punish people for. You can obviously get in trouble at public schools for things that aren't breaking the law. I imagine the school has the right to suspend these kids but I can't say for sure.

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If this was just regular anyones I would say whatever...

But a school is an arm of the government, therefor the government is infringing on speech.

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You don't say stuff like t hat unless you're looking for trouble. The school was right to suspend them.

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Lokarin posted...

But a school is an arm of the government, therefor the government is infringing on speech.

Schools can suspend people for things other than breaking the law.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Schools can suspend people for things other than breaking the law.

Right, but how many of those things are constitutional.

Wouldn't be an issue in Canada, just suspend them... so I'm just asking what the American constitution says.

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Lokarin posted...

Wouldn't be an issue in Canada, just suspend them... so I'm just asking what the American constitution says.

The supreme Court has upheld that freedom of speech has limits. You can not for instance yell fire in a crowded theatre or openly call for and advocate the harm of a human being. They have also upheld that students at school are further restricted. While they do have freedom of speech, the school must provide a safe learning environment for everyone. That includes being able to punish name calling and bullying on school grounds.

The issue with this case is that it happened off campus, but in the interconnected world we have today schools are being pushed to do something about cyber bullying. So if the kids said these on a public forum where any student can see it they would be well within their rights to punish.

If they said this in private they would be safe as long as no one had a problem with it and reported it. Which must have happened for them to have seen it. So they were making someone uncomfortable.

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Hate speech is not protected by first amendment, much like defamation, threats to the peace, child pornography, etc.

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slacker03150 posted...

The supreme Court has upheld that freedom of speech has limits. You can not for instance yell fire in a crowded theatre or openly call for and advocate the harm of a human being. They have also upheld that students at school are further restricted. While they do have freedom of speech, the school must provide a safe learning environment for everyone. That includes being able to punish name calling and bullying on school grounds.

The issue with this case is that it happened off campus, but in the interconnected world we have today schools are being pushed to do something about cyber bullying. So if the kids said these on a public forum where any student can see it they would be well within their rights to punish.

If they said this in private they would be safe as long as no one had a problem with it and reported it. Which must have happened for them to have seen it. So they were making someone uncomfortable.

VeeVees posted...

Hate speech is not protected by first amendment, much like defamation, threats to the peace, child pornography, etc.

Ok ok, seems fair enough

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Hm. This one is a bit tough. It's clearly not ok what the kids did, but it's also not illegal. I don't know exactly the limit to what schools can punish people for. You can obviously get in trouble at public schools for things that aren't breaking the law. I imagine the school has the right to suspend these kids but I can't say for sure.

With the exception of experts in constitutional law and/or school administration, this is probably the answer most people should be giving.

LinkPizza posted...

It depends on the rules. Like at my job, one guy got fired for posting bad things about the work place on FB. Technically, I'm in an at-will state. So they can do whatever they want. But there are still probably rules against post negative things about the job. If the school said the rules were to not be racist (in or out of school), and they broke the rules, then the school can punish them, I would think...

Im talking about government overreach. I specifically said the city government punishing you.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

It's a fact that discriminating is a bane to functional society. Get along or get out.

Discrimination is how you don't have the garbage man doing cancer research and the PhD pushing a hot dog cart. Discrimination is how we make a society to begin with.

Full Throttle posted...

they apparently were offended their football team was majority BLACK!!

Then they should've got gud.
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VeeVees posted...

Hate speech is not protected by first amendment, much like defamation, threats to the peace, child pornography, etc.

Hate speech is not defined by federal law. I can walk up to you and say I hate you for any particular reason. That will not put me at odds with the First Amendment. Like it or not people have the right to say stupid or mean things about you, just like you have the right to say stupid or mean things about them.

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slacker03150 posted...

If they said this in private they would be safe as long as no one had a problem with it and reported it. Which must have happened for them to have seen it. So they were making someone uncomfortable.

The problem with this logic is that it inherently bans it anyways even in private, as you just said its okay unless they find out about it anyway. There is no limit to the reach of the school into these childrens lives that you are proposing is reasonable.

If these children want to be stupid... lets face it, children using your reasoning too bad so sad if they go to public school. It also makes it so that theyre inherently being punished for being poor as these restrictions wouldnt be imposed on them if they went to a private school or were homeschooled.

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VeeVees posted...

the kids should just be executed

Dont worry, this does seem to be where were heading as a civilization...

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Protesters are the true enemy. Kill them all!

aDirtyShisno posted...

The problem with this logic is that it inherently bans it anyways even in private, as you just said its okay unless they find out about it anyway. There is no limit to the reach of the school into these childrens lives that you are proposing is reasonable.

I agree, but at the same time you can't let cyber bullying go on just because they are messaging you instead of doing it in the open.

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its George Costanza!!!

slacker03150 posted...

I agree, but at the same time you can't let cyber bullying go on just because they are messaging you instead of doing it in the open.

Sure you can, just don't look where they are. Democrats don't go to Republican rallies because they don't want to hear shit, people online need to take the same approach.
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Full Throttle posted...

2 of the students have returned while the other 2 face explusion after they posted further racist messages against black students with gorilla emoji's and WHITE POWER and THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN as they apparently were offended their football team was majority BLACK

lmao! You take a race, enslave them and treat them horribly... but also breed them for power and then not have the foresight of retribution to come.

If you were dumb enough to do that at least take some accountability.

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HornedLion posted...

but also breed them for power

lolokay

HornedLion posted...

then not have the foresight of retribution to come.

They had the foresight to try to not give them freedom, at least that's what revisionists claim.
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If someone wants to be racist let them be a racist. When African-Americans began to migrate north from the south they thought the north wasn't racist but they found it the north was just as racist as the south albeit in a more subtle sophisticated way but nonetheless the north was racist.

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Any workplace would fire someone for posting racist shit on social media, including a government workplace. Fair for a government school to do the same. Especially when it comes to minors, who do not have nearly as many rights as adults (rightly so, since minors tend to be pretty stupid, as seen here).

Like someone else already said, if you're throwing around racial slurs, you're looking for trouble. Don't get all shocked and appalled when you find it.


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LinkPizza posted...

It depends on the rules. Like at my job, one guy got fired for posting bad things about the work place on FB. Technically, I'm in an at-will state. So they can do whatever they want. But there are still probably rules against post negative things about the job. If the school said the rules were to not be racist (in or out of school), and they broke the rules, then the school can punish them, I would think...

Public schools and jobs function very differently, and it's silly to try to conflate the two.

slacker03150 posted...

The supreme Court has upheld that freedom of speech has limits. You can not for instance yell fire in a crowded theatre or openly call for and advocate the harm of a human being. They have also upheld that students at school are further restricted. While they do have freedom of speech, the school must provide a safe learning environment for everyone. That includes being able to punish name calling and bullying on school grounds.

The issue with this case is that it happened off campus, but in the interconnected world we have today schools are being pushed to do something about cyber bullying. So if the kids said these on a public forum where any student can see it they would be well within their rights to punish.

If they said this in private they would be safe as long as no one had a problem with it and reported it. Which must have happened for them to have seen it. So they were making someone uncomfortable.

If a speech isn't illegal, then you haven't hit its limits. The fact that schools are being pushed to "do something" in no way excuses overreach. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, who was the actual complainant? Because it sounds like it wasn't the students who were called the names and instead was other people who saw the remarks? Granted, either way, why should this be treated differently than other trash-talking between students that the school doesn't attempt to stop?


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Its something everyone has to learn. Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom From Consequences.

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Lil_Bit83 posted...

Its something everyone has to learn. Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom From Consequences.

It means freedom from government consequence, and the school is a government body. Feel free to get them on abuse, defamation, threatening behaviour, but do not class it as acceptable breach of free speech.
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That 'Tim' guy is a fucking douche.

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BeerOnTap posted...

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its George Costanza!!!

I was hoping someone had already posted this lol

Kyuubi4269 posted...
They had the foresight to try to not give them freedom, at least that's what revisionists claim.

So not only were they stupid for breeding strong slaves that would one day demolish their great grandchildren at sports but... they were also too stupid to calculate how Lincoln and his party would proceed?!

Wow. Thats harsh, man.

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Zeus posted...

Public schools and jobs function very differently, and it's silly to try to conflate the two.

Sure. But the end result is still that they both have rules. And if you break them, you have consequences...
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HornedLion posted...

So not only were they stupid for breeding strong slaves

Didn't.

HornedLion posted...

but... they were also too stupid to calculate how Lincoln and his party would proceed?!

They assumed that the country would not want to destablise the economy by spiking labour costs in an industrial era and weaken their position relative to the English. The Americans who got independence by French aggression would likely want to shore up their position to stop the English reclaiming the land post-France. Even if your eugenic fever dream happened, it would support the view of slaves being a valuable asset of the new, poorly-allied, strategically vulnerable country.
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slacker03150 posted...

I agree, but at the same time you can't let cyber bullying go on just because they are messaging you instead of doing it in the open.

If its a legitimate crime then call the police about harassment and let them handle it, but if the only thing wrong is your feelings have been hurt by mean words then the school has no reason to get involved.

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sounds like theyre almost as racist as duckbear.

sounds like theyre almost as bad of a person as duckbear

sounds like duckbear and these kids would get along well if only they shared a skin color

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Noop_Noop posted...

sounds like theyre almost as racist as duckbear.

sounds like theyre almost as bad of a person as duckbear

sounds like duckbear and these kids would get along well if only they shared a skin color

Thats mean things to say and according to the people in this thread you probably committed a crime doing it or it shouldve been a crime and the powers that be should punish you for it.

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"Try being White and walking in a White neighborhood, see what happens"

What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?

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If it happened off school grounds then they have no right to suspend them for it.
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papercup posted...

What the f*** is this even supposed to mean?

That was confusing. I assume he meant walking in a Black neighborhood.

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papercup posted...

What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?

What the fuck do think it's supposed to mean? >:0(
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Meanwhile, in alt-right land:

https://www.newsweek.com/dennis-prager-thinks-its-idiotic-that-you-cannot-say-n-word-blames-disgusting-left-1487284

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Lokarin posted...

Meanwhile, in alt-right land:

https://www.newsweek.com/dennis-prager-thinks-its-idiotic-that-you-cannot-say-n-word-blames-disgusting-left-1487284

Dennis Prager said that the left had made it "impossible" to say the n-word, even to decry its usage, on his radio show Thursday.

Fair complaint. He has a valid point. Next.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Dennis Prager said that the left had made it "impossible" to say the n-word, even to decry its usage, on his radio show Thursday.

Fair complaint. He has a valid point. Next.

Just ban the n-word for everbody. If it's so offensive then nobody should use it.
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bigbadharry posted...

Just ban the n-word for everbody. If it's so offensive then nobody should use it.

That's true too.
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