Poll of the Day > Does Bernie Sanders have too many fringe opinions to actually win the election?

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shipwreckers
02/10/20 11:46:47 PM
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I mean, even if he slides through with a party nomination, his OWN PARTY constantly seems to disown him, because he doesn't stick with the typical democratic narrative (or at least takes the socialistic tendencies beyond what average democrats claim to believe; like an actual walking, talking strawman argument come to life).

So, if he can't edge out any actual unity even within his own party, how the hell does he expect to go up against Trump??? (Mind you, at this point, Trump has even MORE momentum than he did in 2016, with some of the most unified, die-hard constituencies ever seen the history of the country.)

Not trying to start shit or anything. Just genuinely curious how he could possibly win this thing.

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SpeedDemon20
02/10/20 11:56:02 PM
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I read that as fridge options initially.

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shipwreckers
02/10/20 11:58:10 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
I read that as fridge options initially.

Lol..., to be fair, you can learn a lot about people based on what goes in their fridge.

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Lokarin
02/11/20 12:03:06 AM
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Fringe opinions like life, liberty and justice for all?

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wolfy42
02/11/20 12:08:39 AM
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I like alot of Bernie's ideas and I think he is the first president actually for the people, but I do wish he would tone back a few of them and aim for things we can actually get done, and things that are very important, but more popular across all demographics.

We need, desperately, to build our infrastructure and especially our public transportation systems, that isn't nearly as contraversial and it would create many jobs (it would of course piss off lots of rich people but I think many rich people would also get behind the idea...so that might be a wash).

I agree with the education problems, but think a middle solution would make more sense tbh, curtailing how much can be charged for education (preventing making millions and billions off it) and providing a way to pay off loans (the initial loans, not the insane interest rates that were applied) at a reasonable rate for everyone.

A flat limit charge for edcuation as long as you only got one degree, across the board for everyone retroactively (sadly it would not pay back those who already paid them off) would work well. Say $10k total max for an AA $30k total max for a BA and $60k total max for a Masters Degree, no interest on the loans as long as you make min payments as well (broken down like a house loan over 30 years from time of implimentation). So even at worst it would be 60k owed for a Masters degree, broken down into 360 payments of $167. Anyone could pull that off, even working a min wage job.

Medical is a huge problem and needs to be seriously worked on. Again, people are making BILLIONS off the medical industry, I'm not saying make it all free (although i'm not against it), but make it AFFORDABLE for everyone. It costs money to run a hospital, I get that, but you don't need someone making billions off people who are sick, and letting many die because it's not cost effective to treat them (Ie less profit).

Bernie is great, but, I don't think he is doing things the right way to actually win the election and become president, it's more like he's trying to be so extreme he will cause the democratic party to make changes (and already has).
I hope i'm wrong and he actually gets elected and implements some of his grand changes, but I will be freaking totally amazed if he does. I can see him getting elected and not getting anything passed at all, and then not re-elected because of that....but actually getting some of his stuff to go through congress etc.......even if the demos had a majority I doubt it would fly.

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Extreme_light
02/11/20 12:16:12 AM
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I think his "fringe opinions" are actually his key selling points.

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Gaawa_chan
02/11/20 12:53:06 AM
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Fringe, how? His most iconic policies are supported by the majority of people in the USA. What nonsense.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
02/11/20 3:16:22 AM
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No. Ya aim for the moon. Even if you miss you be among the stars.

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Mead
02/11/20 3:34:16 AM
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Most of his political opinions are in line with the opinions of the majority of Americans.

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TheWitchMorgana
02/11/20 3:35:50 AM
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hes going to win even with his party constantly trying to sabotage him, bet

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Judgmenl
02/11/20 5:15:38 AM
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shipwreckers posted...
Does Bernie Sanders have too many fringe opinions to actually win the election?

Correct

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Kyuubi4269
02/11/20 5:27:39 AM
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Judgmenl posted...


Correct

You have too many fringe opinions to talk to socially.
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Judgmenl
02/11/20 5:30:26 AM
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My fringe opinions are actually fantastic conversation points.

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BeerOnTap
02/11/20 6:16:25 AM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Fringe, how? His most iconic policies are supported by the majority of people in the USA. What nonsense.

Mead posted...
Most of his political opinions are in line with the opinions of the majority of Americans.

Guys, Im pretty sure the polls dont reflect that.
Most Americans are happy with their healthcare.
Most Americans dont like Communism.

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Judgmenl
02/11/20 6:18:25 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Guys, Im pretty sure the polls dont reflect that.
Most Americans are happy with their healthcare.
Most Americans dont like Communism.
This is gaslighting.
Now I want to see if PO comes by and tells me it isn't.

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Mead
02/11/20 7:27:49 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Most Americans are happy with their healthcare.

Umm have you had much experience with the healthcare in the US? People literally die from not being able to afford prescription drugs, while being employed and having health insurance

many of these drugs cost pennies to produce

No other country in the world has such inflated healthcare costs, wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the US is the only prominent nation in the world with privatized healthcare for its citizens

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YoukaiSlayer
02/11/20 7:59:46 AM
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I've been dealing with healthcare a lot. It absolute fucking garbage. Not just the cost, but the efficacy is awful even if you have money. It's terribly inefficient, doctor's are massively overbooked so they have 15 or less minutes per patient which just isn't enough for most serious issues and specialists can take a very long time to get appointments with (I've had to wait 6 months for one and theres another I have to wait 6 months for. I could literally die before I get in there).

The only people ok with the current healthcare system haven't been very sick.

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TheWitchMorgana
02/11/20 7:23:22 PM
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YoukaiSlayer posted...
The only people ok with the current healthcare system haven't been very sick.

or don't have a job that provides them with insurance, or can't afford to buy private insurance, or DO have insurance but need care that isn't covered by it in their network, etc etc etc

even if beerontap was correct about most people being happy with it (which is so out of touch i don't even know where to begin), the implication that people having health care is communism is patently absurd

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Zeus
02/11/20 7:34:02 PM
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shipwreckers posted...
I mean, even if he slides through with a party nomination, his OWN PARTY constantly seems to disown him, because he doesn't stick with the typical democratic narrative (or at least takes the socialistic tendencies beyond what average democrats claim to believe; like an actual walking, talking strawman argument come to life).

You mean the Vermont Progressive Party? Because he sure as shit ain't no Dem, considering he joined the party to run for president for the 2016, left the party, then rejoined it.

Gaawa_chan posted...
Fringe, how? His most iconic policies are supported by the majority of people in the USA. What nonsense.

Most of his iconic policies don't have much support.


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SunWuKung420
02/11/20 8:21:38 PM
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No. Too many Americans hold idiotic opinions about helping each other survive.

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BlackScythe0
02/11/20 8:23:18 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
I read that as fridge options initially.
Me too.

Also he's really not fringe. Most of his positions enjoy wide support.
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Yellow
02/11/20 8:39:50 PM
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Bernie's opinions are fringe in America mainstream politics. In the rest of the developed world they're staples of society.

It's not surprising that people would naturally lean towards them unless otherwise coaxed.

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shipwreckers
02/12/20 1:05:51 PM
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Zeus posted...
You mean the Vermont Progressive Party? Because he sure as shit ain't no Dem, considering he joined the party to run for president for the 2016, left the party, then rejoined it.

Most of his iconic policies don't have much support.

I'm detecting a strong pattern in these Bernie debates. People who LIKE his policies say that they have much support. People who DON'T LIKE his policies say they don't have much support (as if you can simply project your own opinion as the majority). Obviously, it's impossible for both of those arguments to be correct. Just because you feel strongly a certain way, you can't ASSUME that the majority out there feels the same way.

The only way to actually "prove" whether his policies have majority support as people claim is via voting (polling, etc.), but polling populations are often so biased that results don't match reality (just look at the Trump vs. Hillary polls).

I don't doubt that Bernie has some strong support AS A PERSON (he's a pretty swell guy all around). But in terms of policy, he merely validates his own follower's existing opinions. A good example would be his recent interview on Stephen Colbert's show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHq6xauQOcs

To republicans (the people he most desperately needs to convert, if he's going to actually win), his "diplomacy solves everything" approach is going to be considered naive at best, and devastating at worst. When his plan to respond to Iranian violence in that Colbert video is to "sit people down in a room and have a diplomatic discussion," republicans (and even some democrats) are going to see that quite literally as "negotiating with terrorists" (which is pretty much the case. I mean, they're terrorists, and he want's to negotiate with them. You can't really sugar-coat that.).

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Mead
02/12/20 1:33:40 PM
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Yellow posted...
Bernie's opinions are fringe in America mainstream politics. In the rest of the developed world they're staples of society.

It's not surprising that people would naturally lean towards them unless otherwise coaxed.

but if elected communism get us

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TheWitchMorgana
02/12/20 3:20:54 PM
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Mead posted...
but if elected communism get us

we cant give people health care because uhhh communism

i dont know what communism is but i think its bad

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Zareth
02/12/20 6:03:18 PM
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People are excited about Bernie. Nobody is excited about Biden.
People were excited about Trump, nobody was excited about Hilary.

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TigerTycoon
02/12/20 6:12:01 PM
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The issue with Bernie is not how many people he appeals to, because he's pro massive distribution of wealth, which will always be an appealing prospect to many no matter the times, but that's also why he's so unpopular with his own party.

The Democratic Party likes to say they are anti-corporation, but that's all talk. Most politicians, on both sides, work hand in hand with corporations for mutual benefit, and so they cannot really move against them. Most laws said to limit corporations hurt the middle class, but not really the corporations they are advertised for.
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I_Abibde
02/12/20 6:24:27 PM
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His opinions are less of an obstacle than the back room chicanery of the Democratic Party. I will be surprised if the DNC lets him run in the general election, regardless of what the public vote says.

That being said, with Andrew Yang bowing out, Bernie is now the candidate who most closely represents my views.

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Zareth
02/12/20 7:49:18 PM
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TigerTycoon posted...
The Democratic Party likes to say they are anti-corporation, but that's all talk. Most politicians, on both sides, work hand in hand with corporations for mutual benefit, and so they cannot really move against them. Most laws said to limit corporations hurt the middle class, but not really the corporations they are advertised for.
Ding ding ding.

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SunWuKung420
02/12/20 8:13:03 PM
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Zareth posted...
Ding ding ding.

Shh! Pointing out that corporations yield far too political and social power makes you a communist. This is the re-McCarthy era without spies and where both governments are working together to keep the general populace under thumb. But don't tell anyone, it makes you a whistleblower.

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Metalsonic66
02/12/20 8:31:59 PM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
No. Ya aim for the moon. Even if you miss you be among the stars.
The stars are farther than the moon bro

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SunWuKung420
02/12/20 8:35:48 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

No. Ya aim for the moon. Even if you miss you be among the stars.

The stars are farther than the moon bro

Hence when you miss the moon, you're among the stars.

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Metalsonic66
02/12/20 8:37:25 PM
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Maybe we have different ideas about what the word "among" means

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SunWuKung420
02/12/20 8:39:03 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Maybe we have different ideas about what the word "among" means

We are currently with a star now, relatively speaking.

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blu
02/12/20 9:55:24 PM
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Cant stand Bernie. Would probably not vote if it was him vs trump as I wouldnt care who got elected.
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Mead
02/12/20 10:03:10 PM
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blu posted...
Cant stand Bernie.

just a guess but I imagine he wouldnt be a big fan of you either

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Metalsonic66
02/12/20 10:52:11 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
We are currently with a star now, relatively speaking.
Got me there

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nogaems
02/12/20 10:53:29 PM
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honestly sick of the opinion pieces these "journalist" write against him, completely disregarding the will of the people that has been putting him at the top of primaries so far.

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Phantom_Nook
02/12/20 10:58:43 PM
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What are these fringe opinions?
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shipwreckers
02/12/20 11:10:53 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
What are these fringe opinions?

Well, for starters, the idea that we can stop Iranian conflict by sitting confirmed terrorists down in a room for diplomatic discussion (literally "negotiating with terrorists") is a hard sell. Granted, I'm not saying his ideas don't sound good in theory (it'd be AWESOME if we could actually negotiate peace by words alone with people who have been taught to chant "Death to America" since their childhood), but that comes across as naive at best when you compare it with actual historical attempts at "diplomacy" in the Middle East. Even if we DO want diplomacy with them, they sure as shit don't want diplomacy with us.

Mind you, that's just on foreign policy. We haven't even started talking about his socialistic tendencies. Not sure if you were actually looking for a serious response here, but pretty much everyone who's taken 7th grade social studies can see some kinks in Bernie's proposed plans.

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shipwreckers
02/12/20 11:16:03 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America

Let's invite them to Camp David for peace talks, and hope for the best!

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Yellow
02/12/20 11:54:30 PM
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shipwreckers posted...
confirmed terrorists
No. There was zero evidence that the man they assassinated had anything to do with terrorism. He was known for fighting off ISIS, improving relations between Iraq and Iran, and was on his way to a peace talk when he was killed. That's it.

shipwreckers posted...
socialistic tendencies
Norway Denmark UK

shipwreckers posted...
7th grade social studies
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OniRonin
02/13/20 12:54:53 AM
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i think he'll win. every presidential election since 1992 has been won by the candidate hillary clinton hated more

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Zeus
02/13/20 1:13:31 AM
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shipwreckers posted...


I'm detecting a strong pattern in these Bernie debates. People who LIKE his policies say that they have much support. People who DON'T LIKE his policies say they don't have much support (as if you can simply project your own opinion as the majority). Obviously, it's impossible for both of those arguments to be correct. Just because you feel strongly a certain way, you can't ASSUME that the majority out there feels the same way.

Face the reality: If his plans actually had support, they would have been passed in his 50+ year political career. The fact that they haven't suggests a lack of support.

Yellow posted...
No. There was zero evidence that the man they assassinated had anything to do with terrorism. He was known for fighting off ISIS, improving relations between Iraq and Iran, and was on his way to a peace talk when he was killed. That's it.

lolwut? Unless the argument is because his criminality was state-sponsored so therefore it isn't terrorism or something.


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TheWitchMorgana
02/13/20 1:14:49 AM
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hell win because zeus doesnt like him

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Zareth
02/13/20 1:36:11 AM
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OniRonin posted...
i think he'll win. every presidential election since 1992 has been won by the candidate hillary clinton hated more
Damn son.

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shipwreckers
02/13/20 1:53:45 AM
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Yellow posted...
No. There was zero evidence that the man they assassinated had anything to do with terrorism. He was known for fighting off ISIS, improving relations between Iraq and Iran, and was on his way to a peace talk when he was killed. That's it.

Even if you sugar-coat the man Soleimani was (another "Austere Religious Scholar" is ruthlessly killed, eh Washington Post?), you must have missed the "Death to America" history lesson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/18/the-history-of-death-to-america/

I can't say I'm surprised. Bernie supporters tend to wear blinders almost just as badly as Trump supporters. This Iranian sentiment has been going on since the late 70s, and anti-american chants are indoctrinated into Iranians from childhood.

Not sure if you're trying to troll here, but basic understanding of history (ANY level, from grade school to post-grad scholarship) will give ample evidence of both Soleimani's underhanded deeds, and Iran's systemic anti-western propaganda. Soleimani was a freakin monster, and even democrats didn't really mourn his demise (as Bernie Sanders himself acknowledged.) They were glad to see him go, but they feared the repercussions. (It's also rather hilarious how inept Iran's repercussions were. Heck, they shot down their own civilian plane in the "retaliation.")

Trying diplomatic strategies with people so openly hostile to you is, at best, naive as hell. At worst, it's reckless with the potential to be devastating.

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wolfy42
02/13/20 2:07:46 AM
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I'm old, I doubt I'll actually see a moderate progressive run for president with an actual chance to win. I think it's REALLY sad that we never have even one president both sides can get behind. We need someone like that big time, so things that are really important can get done, and neither side will try to block them so they are not a feather in the oppositions cap.

Nobody seems to believe this or see this or care I guess. Half the nation thinks trump is making America great gain (he is not, almost nothing positive has happened in 4 years in my opinion), and the other half is pushing for presidents so far left it will make it far more likely that Trump will get re-elected.

The obvious solution (to me) would be to have someone who is not as far left, more moderate, run as the democratic president, someone that can get people from both sides to vote for him (both in the election and later in congress). This could actually set us up for a very positive 4-8 years while we actually build our infrostructure and get a bunch of things EVERYONE can agree on passed.

Heck even things like health care and education could be at least slightly fixed, so they are not so skewed without just flat out forgiving student loans etc (which is great, but not likely to actually pass). Health care for instance doesn't need to be socialized nearly as much as the price for everything needs to be curtailed and restricted. Nobody should be making billions off the health care industry in this country.

All of that could be done with someone who is moderate, but we never even get a real chance to vote for someone like that.

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shipwreckers
02/13/20 2:20:20 AM
#49:


wolfy42 posted...
I'm old, I doubt I'll actually see a moderate progressive run for president with an actual chance to win. I think it's REALLY sad that we never have even one president both sides can get behind. We need someone like that big time, so things that are really important can get done, and neither side will try to block them so they are not a feather in the oppositions cap.

I agree that this is frustrating as hell for the country as-a-whole, but there's a very simple explanation for it. PRIMARIES! (the very concept of them)

Think about it. The USA's traditional two-party primary system is dividing us further and further (and will ultimately kill us if it remains). This is due to the reality that voters absolutely HATE compromise. Therefore, in our own primaries we tend to pick the person that champions our beliefs the most! So, this "Primary" system ends up funneling all of the conservative candidates down to the most extreme bastion of conservative, anti-PC sentiment (e.g. Trump), and then equally funnels all of the liberal candidates down to the most extreme warrior for hyper-PC, social-justice liberalism (e.g. Hillary).

This is precisely why moderates (who actually try to see the common ground, and look at the best of both worlds objectively), can NEVER win elections! They get slaughtered in their own primaries every single time (and why not, because I'M VOTING FOR THE CHAMPION OF MY OWN PERSONAL VALUES! COMPROMISE BE DAMNED!!!)

So, as long as primaries keep funneling people within their respective parties to the most extreme cases, moderates don't stand a chance in hell of winning anything..., ever.

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YoukaiSlayer
02/13/20 3:00:33 AM
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I mean, ultimately we will need diplomacy with the middle east unless we plan to completely eradicate them. We can't really afford to just permanently be at war with them.

I do kind of agree that the two party system just fucking sucks for actually getting anything done. The whole us vs them aspect of it just halts almost all progress. The primaries being an issue as well.

I do think bernie could win the election but I also am concerned about his ability to get much done after the fact.

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