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Oh boy this conspiracy theory again

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5 U.S. cities to start testing patients with flu-like symptoms for coronavirus

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/5-u-s-cities-start-testing-patients-flu-symptoms-coronavirus-n1136941

"This is just the starting point," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press briefing Friday. "We plan to expand to more sites in the coming weeks."

@Awesome same doctor!!!

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solosnake posted...

This is really a bombshell. Naval University of Engineering in #Wuhan, one of the five comprehensive military universities of PLA (official info: http://bit.ly/2URmJ5x) issued a lockdown notice on Jan. 2, 18 days BEFORE the gov. admitted there was an epidemic, 21 days BEFORE the city was locked down. Did the army know something beforehand that we didn't know?

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1228435515776667649

I'm hearing 2nd Jan is when the public got informed

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

I'm hearing 2nd Jan is when the public got informed

I remember hearing about it around Christmas

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People knew about this in December and a lot of information was available by January 2nd. I was in Shanghai not long after that and people were already wearing masks.

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solosnake posted...

5 U.S. cities to start testing patients with flu-like symptoms for coronavirus

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/5-u-s-cities-start-testing-patients-flu-symptoms-coronavirus-n1136941

"This is just the starting point," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press briefing Friday. "We plan to expand to more sites in the coming weeks."

@Awesome same doctor!!!

yep the same one, and its looking like the link is real

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

I'm hearing 2nd Jan is when the public got informed

Doom_Art posted...

I remember hearing about it around Christmas

Your reading comprehension might need a check. I dont see where she said it was before the public was informed, she is saying it was before they admitted it was an epidemic

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But then it's no longer a bombshell.
They took safety precautions at an early stage without knowing much about the illness, right?

A bombshell would be them closing up right before signs of an outbreak, for example. But apparently that's started in Nov or Dec

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The five labs are in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago and New York

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/14/us-health-officials-to-check-patients-with-flu-symptoms-for-coronavirus.html

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

But then it's no longer a bombshell.
They took safety precautions at an early stage without knowing much about the illness, right?

A bombshell would be them closing up right before signs of an outbreak, for example. But apparently that's started in Nov or Dec

Shhh just be scared

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I mean, I am scared of the virus going out of control everywhere, overwhelming the hospitals and leading to deaths.

But so far, outside of Asia, things are very quiet. You'd think pneumonia cases would have skyrocketed and alerted the governments and public by now, considering the symptoms break out in average 3-5 days, up to 14 days (and unconfirmed rumor of it being 21+ day incubation in 0.1% cases or something). But nope, the German infection chain starts at a Chinese person who had Wuhan contact and continues across people in the company Webasto (employees, employees' families), no exceptions.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

But then it's no longer a bombshell.
They took safety precautions at an early stage without knowing much about the illness, right?

A bombshell would be them closing up right before signs of an outbreak, for example. But apparently that's started in Nov or Dec

You must be forgetting about the doctor who died after trying to sound the alarm and was threatened by the CCP for trying to warn his colleagues, literally 2 days before this

A new coronavirus infection has been confirmed and its type is being identified. Inform all family and relatives to be on guard, Li Wenliang typed into a chat group with his former medical school classmates on Dec. 30, according to Caixin, a Beijing-based media group. Soon, Lis message would resonate much farther. As the spiraling crisis emerged, he came to be known as the whistleblower of a virus that ultimately took his life.
Not everyone appreciated Lis bombshell warnings. After he shared information about the strange infections he was seeing, he was reprimanded by local authorities for making untrue comments and severely disturbing social order.

https://time.com/5779678/li-wenliang-coronavirus-china-doctor-death/

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solosnake posted...

You must be forgetting about the doctor who died after trying to sound the alarm and was threatened by the CCP for trying to warn his colleagues, literally 2 days before this

He likely got shut up for breaking rules and attempting to start a panic. Once a panic breaks out, it becomes harder to control a virus outbreak, it doesn't actually save lives unless the government takes actions to quarantine the infected immediately.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

He likely got shut up for breaking rules and attempting to start a panic. Once a panic breaks out, it becomes harder to control an outbreak, it doesn't actually save lives unless the government takes actions to quarantine the infected immediately.

Wrong again. He was trying to warn fellow doctors to take precautions, not start a panic. But hey, if you want to take the CCP's side, then thats all i really need to know about you

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He likely went through the wrong channels and got reported then shut up so that it doesn't start an epidemic through public panicking.

In the end China keeps so much important shit secret, it's hard to tell what really happened, or what is really happening though.

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Gladius_ posted...

In the end like any new virus outbreak that comes out and begins circulating we as a species will adapt. It's that simple. As long as they're expedient with a vaccine we'll hopefully save as many lives as we can.

It's probably a race to see who will adapt faster, the virus, the public's immunity systems, or the medical systems.
If the virus spreads faster than hospitals can handle the critically ill victims and if we can't build any immunity towards it, we're in serious trouble.

Sure, there are a lot of reports of certain groups who have cures and vaccines that showed effect against 2019 corona, but in the end they won't be ready before summer, at which point the spread will already be visible globally. And if they are ready earlier they'll likely be very dangerous experimental drugs.

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Gladius_ posted...

Well, it doesn't look like Corona is becoming "Deadlier" the mortality rate has remained consistent.

It seems like it's just a more dangerous version of the cold and most cases are just as harmless, to the point of being invisible to the governments. So the real chance of death might be far smaller than 1%, as long as your immunity system is not a wreck.

The issue is it spreads super fast, so it can easily reach those vulnerable people and swiftly overwhelms hospitals, infecting their staff.

And then there's the problem China is hiding something.

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Yeah like it's hardly the new plague

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Gladius_ posted...

As for staff.. yeah another concern. It's why I criticized people here for fear mongering. Scared populace buys up masks which prevents hospital staffers from getting needed equipment because paranoid people are hoarding it. Like.. how many early panickers here have already bought boxes of face masks despite only 16 here in the U.S. having the virus? This is why panic creates more danger and causes more harm than good.

There was a guy on here complaining that he couldn't get any N95 masks for his job because idiots bought all of them from Home Depot and they're sold out online.

And the funny part is an N95 mask isn't doing even gonna do much for you against this thing.

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Doom_Art posted...

Yeah like it's hardly the new plague

No, but it's certainly seems bad.

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npr.org:
That's what seems to be happening in the most severe cases. About 3% to 5% of patients end up in intensive care, according to the WHO. And many hospitalized patients require supplemental oxygen. In extreme cases, they need mechanical ventilation including the use of a sophisticated technology known as ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation), which basically acts as the patient's lungs, adding oxygen to their blood and removing carbon dioxide. The technology "allows us to save more severe patients," Dr. Sylvie Briand, director of the WHO's pandemic and epidemic diseases department, said at a press conference Monday.
Many of the more serious cases have been in people who are middle-aged and elderly Furuya notes that our immune system gets weaker as we age. She says for long-term smokers, it could be even worse because their airways and lungs are more vulnerable. People with other underlying medical conditions, such as heart disease, diabetes or chronic lung disease, have also proved most vulnerable. Furuya says those kinds of conditions can make it harder for the body to recover from infections.
"Of course, you have outliers people who are young and otherwise previously healthy who are dying," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently told NPR's 1A show. "But if you look at the vast majority of the people who have serious disease and who will ultimately die, they are in that group that are either elderly and/or have underlying conditions."

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ehhwhatever posted...

npr.org:
That's what seems to be happening in the most severe cases. About 3% to 5% of patients end up in intensive care, according to the WHO. And many hospitalized patients require supplemental oxygen. In extreme cases, they need mechanical ventilation including the use of a sophisticated technology known as ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation), which basically acts as the patient's lungs, adding oxygen to their blood and removing carbon dioxide. The technology "allows us to save more severe patients," Dr. Sylvie Briand, director of the WHO's pandemic and epidemic diseases department, said at a press conference Monday.
Many of the more serious cases have been in people who are middle-aged and elderly Furuya notes that our immune system gets weaker as we age. She says for long-term smokers, it could be even worse because their airways and lungs are more vulnerable. People with other underlying medical conditions, such as heart disease, diabetes or chronic lung disease, have also proved most vulnerable. Furuya says those kinds of conditions can make it harder for the body to recover from infections.
"Of course, you have outliers people who are young and otherwise previously healthy who are dying," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently told NPR's 1A show. "But if you look at the vast majority of the people who have serious disease and who will ultimately die, they are in that group that are either elderly and/or have underlying conditions."

Which is still bad if it becomes a disease that regularly circulates. I'm sure they'll develop a vaccine, but it's still...
Media sensationalism aside, it's still looking like a serious issue.

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It's not a joke but it's also not the end of the world like some folks are claiming

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Heres what #coronavirus does to the body. From blood storms to honeycomb lungs, heres an organ-by-organ look at how COVID-19 harms humans. For most patients, the virus begins and ends in their lungs.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

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https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1228496629734551552

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https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1228476386815479809

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solosnake posted...

Heres what #coronavirus does to the body. From blood storms to honeycomb lungs, heres an organ-by-organ look at how COVID-19 harms humans. For most patients, the virus begins and ends in their lungs.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

It's mostly based on SARS/MERS, not much about 2019-corona

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It's no longer just hospitals that send help to #Wuhan to fight the #coronavirus, now at least three funeral homes have sent teams there. Locals are saying its hard to think about why more staff is needed. They cannot keep up with cremation," a Twitter user wrote. China has mandated 100,000 beds be made available by feb 20

https://twitter.com/news_ntd/status/1228413825713672193

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https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/

Logistical and Technical Exploration into the Origins of the Wuhan Strain of Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)


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Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations never meant to leave the lab, but meant to serve as a Red Team to fight back against, not as an offensive weapon since the virus is likely wired to be much more virulent among Asian populations. Further support for this is the fact that the Wuhan BSL-4 virology lab was already actively looking into the risks posed from bat coronaviruses, and actively researching coronavirus treatments by definition both of these projects would require live virulent strains of coronavirus.

The Wuhan Strain of coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, appears to be transmissible even before its host shows any symptoms at all, making temperature-scanning at airports ineffective since hosts appear to be contagious for about a week before any symptoms emerge. This is in stark contrast with SARS, whose hosts werent contagious until they were symptomatic, allowing for its relatively quick containment. This chart is not from a peer-reviewed source but was claims to capture the comparative rates of infections between recent outbreaks. A recent pre-print now gives 2019-nCoV a rating of R4, meaning each host passes the virus on to four new victims, a rate significantly higher than any past global viral outbreak.

Following the aforementioned bat coronavirus bio-engineering research that was critiqued for being too risky in 2015, in the paper from UNC eventually published the next year that describing their successful bio-engineering of a highly-virulent coronavirus derived from bats, researcher #8 is listed as one Zheng-li Shi attached to the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

Zhengli Shi seems to have returned to Wuhan at some point since 2016, specifically to the Wuhan Institute of Virologys Disease Engineering Technical Research Center, since she then appears in this September 2019 paper on the human behaviors most likely to lead to bat-borne coronavirus exposure in southern China, and in this pending preprint on the current outbreak of 2019-nCoV just a sample of the dozens of coronavirus-related papers shes published over a three decade career. And not only does she provide a direct chain of expertise tying the already successful bio-engineering of a virulent bat-based coronavirus at UNC directly to the BSL-4 virology lab in Wuhan, but back in January 2014 shed received a $665,000 grant from NIH for a study titled The Ecology of Bat Coronaviruses and the Risk of Future Coronavirus Emergence (NIAID R01 AI1 10964) as well as $559,500 more from USAID for a study titled Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT_2China (Project No. AID-OAA-A-14-00102). Beyond this American funding specifically into viral diseases zoonotically transferring from animals to humans which would slipped in just before the ban, over the years shes also received around $3 million in grants to study these zoonotic viruses from China and other countries, and has served on the editorial board of several virological research magazines. More of her research into the intersection of coronaviruses like the Wuhan Strain and their epidemic potential was funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Threat Reduction Agency, and U.S. Biological Defense Research Directorate of the Naval Medical Research Center.

And so a scientist whos been prolifically involved with studying the molecular interaction of coronaviruses and humanity, spending decades and millions of dollars, and having even helped build a hyper-virulent coronavirus from scratch at UNC just so happens to be working at the only BSL-4 virology lab in China that also just so happens to be at the epicenter of an outbreak involved a coronavirus thats escaping zoological classification and whose novel spike-protein region shares more in common with a commercial genetic vector than any of its wild relatives, and has other unnatural characteristics that will be discussed below.

Another Chinese virologist, Xing-Yi Ge, appears as an author on the 2016 UNC paper and is also attached to the lab in Wuhan. Previously in 2013, hed successfully isolated a SARS-like coronavirus from bats which targets the ACE2 receptor, just like our present virus, the Wuhan Coronavirus 2019-nCoV. And it turns out that the Wuhan Strains ACE2 receptors genes are quite unique: theyre almost identical to SARSs spike-protein genes despite the fact that almost none of the two coronaviruss genomes are similar anywhere else at all. Beyond that, although the Wuhan Strains spike-protein genome differs from SARS in four out of the five most important genomic spots that determine binding to the ACE2 receptor, they surprisingly dont effect the protein-spikes shape. And in an even bigger coincidence, these four spots also code for the outside region of the spike that allows entry into cells, and do not effect it either allowing the Wuhan Strain to still use the ACE2 receptor to unlock cells while possibly gaining additional capabilities. The odds that this concordance was bio-engineered into the virus are several orders of magnitude more likely than for this to randomly have evolved in nature.

Numerous videos purportedly from inside hospitals in Wuhan depict a crisis that is far greater than the numbers released by China to date. There is widespread but unverified online reporting that Wuhan crematoriums have been running 24/7, which is consistent with a recent peer-reviewed study that claims that as of January 25, Wuhan had over 75,000 infections when the official number was just 761. Chinese language social media also reflects a sense of panic and desperation that is highly discordant with the numbers being released by the Chinese government. Who, notably, are refusing any direct assistance from the American CDC. (Evidence that China is vastly downplaying this pandemics severity: Example 1. Example 2. Example 3. Example 4. Example 5. Example 6.)

Additionally, although another since-retracted pre-print noted several very short genomic sequences in 2019-nCoVs spike-protein gene that look far more similar to sequences found in HIV than to other coronaviruses critics quickly pointed out that the shared homology didnt reach statistical significance. However a closer look at the data reveals that there were a few small shared genomic segments that, despite being physically separated from each other along each strand of DNA, all worked together to code for the Wuhan Strains protein-spikes crucial receptor binding site. Something that is highly unlikely to have happened by chance. And despite most of its protein-spi

Critics have brushed off the Wuhan Strains shared homology with HIV as statistically insignificant, however clinical reporting indicates that the Wuhan Strain may be using this shared HIV homology to attack CD4 immune cells just like HIV does, as an unusually high percentage of patients are showing low white blood cell counts, especially the sickest ones. This pathogenicity may well be due to the unique HIV-live genomics of the Wuhan Strain, as one white-paper by LSUs professor emeritus of Microbiology, Immunology, and Parasitology whos also a Harvard-educated virologist with a PhD in Microbiology and Molecular Genetics notes: This is the first description of a possible immunosuppressive domain in coronaviruses or nCoV2019. The three key [mutations] common to the known immunosuppressive domains are also in common with the sequence from [the spike-protein]. While coronaviruses are not known for general immunosuppression of the style shown by HIV-1, this does not rule out immunosuppression at the site of active infection in the lung, which would prolong and potentially worsen infection at that site.

And it should be noted that SARS much ballyhooed as a close relative to the Wuhan Strain didnt notable effect white blood cell counts. Additionally, clinical treatment guides published online in late January by established Chinese medical sources note the progressive reduction of white blood cells, as well as the importance of monitoring this decline. And reporting from Thailand indicates that adding a cocktail of two different anti-HIV drugs to the typical flu treatment regime seemed to effectively knock back the Wuhan Strain.

In a highly concerning turn, scientists have noted that the Wuhan Strain can have a striking short term rate of mutation which doesnt indicate an artificial origin but captures the unique threat posed by this coronavirus regardless of its providence, since a faster mutation rates makes it more likely this virus can dodge testing and neutralize vaccines. Something there is already early evidence for.

Giving further credence to the idea that the Wuhan Strain was bio-engineered is the existence of a patent application that looks to modulate a coronavirus spike-protein genes the precise region altered by Zhengli Shi at UNC to make a hyper-virulent strain of coronavirus, and whose alteration and adaptation would explain the Wuhan Strains unusual behavior as discussed above.

And curiously, the head of Harvards Chemistry Department, Dr. Charles Lieber, was arrested in the midst of this outbreak on charges that hed been accepting millions of dollars in bribes from the Chinese government. According to his charging documents, Dr. Lieber first went to the Wuhan University of Technology (WUT), in November 2011 to participate in a nanotechnology forum, which was when he was recruited into a bribery scheme that would net him several million dollars to establish a research lab and conduct research at WUT, which became known as Joint Nano Key Laboratory, as well as mentor and advocate for graduate students. By 2015, Dr. Lieber appeared to be fairly intimately involved with what seemed to begin as simply a nanotechnology lab, but now had shifted to involve biology as well, since he described visiting the lab multiple times per year as we try to build up the nano-bio part of the lab. Whether or not this nano-bio part of the Nano Key Laboratory is related to Wuhans BSL-4 virology lab isnt clear, however if the Wuhan Strain was bio-engineered, technology classified as nano-bio wouldve almost certainly played a role.

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Gladius_ posted...

In the end like any new virus outbreak that comes out and begins circulating we as a species will adapt.

We?
Theres no we adapt if we are part of the ones that dont make it before the whole species does.

Jx1010 posted...

We?
Theres no we adapt if we are part of the ones that dont make it before the whole species does.

huh?

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He's saying he won't necessarily be part of the "we" who can adapt.

And yeah, the chance is low but 2019-corona can kill young and healthy too.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

He's saying he won't necessarily be part of the "we" who adapt

The thing is, people say its not a big deal and its not the end of the world, not gonna end humanity. The world ends when you die, not when all humans die.

How deadly pathogens have escaped the lab over and over again

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly-pathogens-escape-lab-smallpox-bird-flu

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

It's mostly based on SARS/MERS, not much about 2019-corona

TLDR :-
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/14/805289669/how-covid-19-kills-the-new-coronavirus-disease-can-take-a-deadly-turn

Look, this thing might just become a new version of the flu if we let it take it's natural course. We do not want that as it means taking up resources year after year.

Noraneko_Vel posted...

He's saying he won't necessarily be part of the "we" who can adapt.

And yeah, the chance is low but 2019-corona can kill young and healthy too.

So can taking paracetamol in rare cases. Whats important is the chances of that actually happening which is minuscule.

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Gladius_ posted...

My odds of dying to it are 2% or less. I think I'm good. Most of us are going to live through it. Probably everyone in this thread. So when I say we. I speak of humanity because I don't selfishly just think of myself all the time.

when you take into account the majority of people who have died have been old or had underlying conditions then that 2% is going to be a lot lot lower for most people on here.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

He's saying he won't necessarily be part of the "we" who can adapt.

And yeah, the chance is low but 2019-corona can kill young and healthy too.

I took his we to mean humanity as a whole.

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US military approves 11 coronavirus quarantine camps next to major US airports which can treat 'up to 1,000 people'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7992909/Military-approves-11-COVID-19-quarantine-camps-1-000-people-major-airports.html

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Gladius_ posted...

Yeah which is why I responded in the manner I did. I have zero fear of dying to the Coronavirus.

I dont have fear of dying of coronavirus, what Im concerned about is my family members and loved ones catching this. Unlike you, I care about other people and loved ones, even my parents.

Does anyone is of the opinion that we should left the virus to run it's natural course and let it becomes a seasonal thing ? Since it's not very leathal ? Sound out if you agree.