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papercup
02/02/20 3:56:35 PM
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Why did nobody tell me about this game before. Sure it's over 20 years old and on the Doom engine, but this is really neat!

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Locke90
02/02/20 4:07:13 PM
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yeah it was a great game still is i suggest playing the heretic games as well as hexen/hexen II.

edit: there also this I only just found its a mod for DOOM 3

https://www.pcgamer.com/doom-3-hexen-mod-released/

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ReggieTheReckless
02/02/20 4:09:19 PM
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icantbelieveitsnothexen.com

for a new game that is heavily inspired by, fyi
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captpackrat
02/02/20 4:21:01 PM
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I never played Hexen, but I played Hexen II. My favorite weapon was the Seal of the Ovinomancer. It's similar to Hexen's Porkelator, except it turns enemies into sheep.


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Mead
02/02/20 4:28:53 PM
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I used to play that game on N64 I bought it used from blockbuster for $3.

The end.

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thecrazyfrog
02/02/20 5:07:05 PM
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Having to hold 3 changing levels in your memory at once hurt my head...
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papercup
02/02/20 5:35:38 PM
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I actually just beat the first 2... acts? worlds? whatever you want to call them. Haven't had to use a guide yet, which I heard was almost necessary lol

I'm really enjoying it, does things I didn't know the Doom engine was capable of.

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ReggieTheReckless
02/02/20 5:49:25 PM
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ReggieTheReckless posted...
icantbelieveitsnothexen.com

for a new game that is heavily inspired by, fyi
btw, for anyone not clicking that link. the game is called amid evil. check it out
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Lokarin
02/02/20 6:07:54 PM
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Ya, Hexen is rather excellent. I loved it on the N64 and it's even zDoom compatible on Steam

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papercup
02/02/20 6:42:10 PM
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Yeah I heard about Heretic and Hexen, and bought the entire series for like a buck in the recent steam sale. I honestly thought Heretic was okay, but it kinda dragged on towards the end. I didn't even play the expansion. Playing Hexen in GZDoom.

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Voxwik
02/02/20 7:04:53 PM
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Hexen is one of my favorites of that era. I love how they added scripting and cobbled together moving walls. (Random trivia you don't need to know: all the moving doors and walls in Hexen start out in rooms outside the map boundary and get teleported in place in game. If you use the no clipping cheat to walk through walls, you will see these empty rooms, which younger me thought were super creepy for some reason.)
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papercup
02/02/20 7:35:44 PM
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Voxwik posted...
Hexen is one of my favorites of that era. I love how they added scripting and cobbled together moving walls. (Random trivia you don't need to know: all the moving doors and walls in Hexen start out in rooms outside the map boundary and get teleported in place in game. If you use the no clipping cheat to walk through walls, you will see these empty rooms, which younger me thought were super creepy for some reason.)

Yeah in the first room the doors swing open, and I was like "WTF this is the doom, engine, how did they do that??"

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Sahuagin
02/02/20 7:39:04 PM
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sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that likes it, so good to hear someone else enjoying it for a change. there are some tweaks I like to make to the enemies and weapons, but even without that, it's one of the best doom-like games ever.

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papercup
02/02/20 10:04:03 PM
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Does Hexen 2 work in darkplaces? That's my preferred source port for Quake.

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EvilMegas
02/02/20 10:05:51 PM
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That brings back memories. Hexen was my Xbox gamertag and my maplestory handle.

Great game, very underrated.

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papercup
02/02/20 11:43:56 PM
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Took like 2 hours to beat act 3. Didn't have to look up a guide, though there were a couple parts where I thought about it lol

I really am enjoying this game, feels like it pushes the doom engine to its limits.

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aHappySacka
02/02/20 11:52:25 PM
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It's truly a great game though the inventory system is questionable since you have to cycle through them one at a time and there's no way to bind anything to a specific key.

And the worst class the Sorcerer is laughably bad when compared to the other two.

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Molitheus
02/03/20 12:05:35 AM
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Ahh, Hexen my old flame. That game is great and likes to play tricks on you. If you're playing it on the PS2 slim, then you better look out for a glitch that happens when you go into a level called The Dungeonscause the game will not load if you save your game in that and it won't load the next level when you complete the level. You gotta use God code to bypass the level entirely.

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papercup
02/03/20 12:25:18 AM
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aHappySacka posted...
It's truly a great game though the inventory system is questionable since you have to cycle through them one at a time and there's no way to bind anything to a specific key.

And the worst class the Sorcerer is laughably bad when compared to the other two.

Oh yeah I'm a Fighter or a Barbarian or whatever it's called.

Also, how's Death Kings or whatever the expansion is called?

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VioletMassacre
02/03/20 2:36:52 AM
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I loved the game back in the day and it's still one of my favourite games. Great atmosphere and level design. I played Heretic once about ten years ago, maybe, and liked it too. I often think about playing them all but I barely want to play games on the PC.
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zebatov
02/03/20 3:26:31 AM
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We used to call Pizza Hut and (what is now called) troll them with the voice clips.

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papercup
02/03/20 6:54:54 PM
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Beat act 4. I didn't use a guide, but I ran around for a VERY long time trying to figure out wtf to do lol It feels so good to figure shit out in this game.

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I_Abibde
02/03/20 7:52:50 PM
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A great game, one that I did not mind re-buying for Steam. (I still have my old PC CD from back in the day.) Fantastic level design. Heretic was good, too, but Hexen dialed it up. Hexen II is all right, especially the soundtrack, but I give the nod to the first Hexen as the best of the trilogy. (Heretic II was a thing, but that was a different kind of game.)

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Lokarin
02/03/20 8:04:07 PM
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My only beef with Hexen is that during Act 4 you can just up and randomly die. Ya, there is a tell for when the spikes will come up out of the ground - but it's very hard to see most of the time

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Sahuagin
02/03/20 8:18:31 PM
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aHappySacka posted...
And the worst class the Sorcerer is laughably bad when compared to the other two.
sort of... the wand is actually kind of OPd. some of the tweaks I make are to halve the damage of the wand, but double the damage of ice shards.

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thecrazyfrog
02/04/20 12:13:28 AM
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And the worst class the Sorcerer is laughably bad when compared to the other two.


I thought the mage was the easiest class to beat the hardest difficulty on. No-resource ranged weapon

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Sahuagin
02/04/20 1:08:03 AM
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thecrazyfrog posted...
No-resource ranged weapon
no resource ranged weapon, with precise aim, nearly instant projectile, pierces targets, 2hp damage per shot, and fires around twice per second.

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Lokarin
02/04/20 10:14:18 AM
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All the weapons have advantages at different parts of the game... the Wizard's wand may be great in the beginning, but the Warrior's upgrades are better, whereas the Cleric doesn't shine until assembling Wraithverge or whatever

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papercup
02/04/20 10:19:54 AM
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Gonna try to beat this game today. Afterward idk if I want to play the expansion, or replay it on another class. I guess I could try the expansion on another class lol

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Voxwik
02/04/20 11:59:08 AM
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Sahuagin posted...

no resource ranged weapon, with precise aim, nearly instant projectile, pierces targets, 2hp damage per shot, and fires around twice per second.

...and can stun lock many enemies. I particularly remember using it vs. centaurs.

The lightning attack is pretty insane too. I never figured out exactly why, but it seemed to pierce the Heresiarch's invulnerability spell sometimes.
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papercup
02/04/20 3:21:13 PM
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Yep, just beat Hexen! I thoroughly enjoyed it. Going to start Deathkings now!

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papercup
02/04/20 3:29:48 PM
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BTW I played Hexen on the Warrior, on Berserker difficulty. Now I'm playing the Cleric on Cardinal

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papercup
02/04/20 4:42:20 PM
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I have no idea wtf I'm supposed to be doing lol I don't even have the green mana weapon and I already almost have wraithverge completed. >_>

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papercup
02/04/20 5:01:45 PM
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Yep, I have the completed Wraithverge, 2 planets, and no third weapon lol

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I_Abibde
02/04/20 9:06:22 PM
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I remember Deathkings of the Dark Citadel being a lot harder and less intuitive than the original Hexen. Different developer, I think. The same thing happened with the expansions to the original Quake.

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papercup
02/04/20 9:48:11 PM
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Yeah this is even more hardcore than the base game lol I think I'm close to the end of act 2.

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Sahuagin
02/04/20 10:29:17 PM
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Lokarin posted...
All the weapons have advantages at different parts of the game... the Wizard's wand may be great in the beginning, but the Warrior's upgrades are better, whereas the Cleric doesn't shine until assembling Wraithverge or whatever
not sure what you mean. the vanilla wand by itself is basically better than all of the fighter's weapons. (I guess you could say that the wand annihilates anything at long-range, wheras the fighter annihilates anything at close-range.)

the cleric's serpent staff is insanely good, doing very high ranged damage for low mana, and having a vampiric (healing) close-range attack.

I might as well list the changes I make to the game:

Enemies:
  • Ettins: made more deadly but easier to kill (IMO this is the game's biggest flaw; Ettins are so numerous but not dangerous and just time-consuming to kill. they should be slightly dangerous but easy to kill. whoever designed their stats made it so that they wait over a third of a second from the start of their attack before doing any damage *and* also gave them an overly-sized radius so that they start their attack standing super far away from you, so if you move even slightly away in that third of a second, they miss. meanwhile they have 175hp.)
  • Chaos Serpents: more HP (and I give the brown ones a bit more than the green)
  • Dark Bishop: buffed in every way (faster, faster attacks, no stagger, more HP, more damage, more death splash)
  • Centaurs: reduce blue bolt damage slightly
Weapons:
  • Wand (mage): half damage (and even then still kind of OPd)
  • Frost Shards (mage): double damage (could be a little more, but I think it has to be an integer, and the change is from 1 per projectile to 2. 3 per projectile is too much.)
  • Serpent Staff (cleric): reduce damage to 3 per shot instead of 5 (same melee damage)
  • Axe and Hammer (fighter): each cost 1 more mana per attack (otherwise you almost never run out of mana as fighter, even when using both of these constantly. I don't think I ever tried this change though.)
(these aren't necessarily perfect changes and could still probably use some tweaking. been a while since I played through the game like this.)

(oh and I never use the 4th weapons, but they could all definitely benefit from changes too).

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Lokarin
02/04/20 10:44:56 PM
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Well, to put it another way. It takes... I don't know off hand, like 6 hits with the want to kill a Centaur, which because they raise shields every hit it will take about 20 seconds to kill one. But they're only like 2 hits from the Hammer (math not to scale since it's been a while)

Frost Shards is garbage though, I can't deny it... it does seem to do bonus damage if you are in melee range (no shards), but it's still not much.

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papercup
02/04/20 10:58:59 PM
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I'm still curious of darkplaces works with Hexen 2. >.>

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Sahuagin
02/04/20 11:33:19 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Well, to put it another way. It takes... I don't know off hand, like 6 hits with the want to kill a Centaur, which because they raise shields every hit it will take about 20 seconds to kill one. But they're only like 2 hits from the Hammer (math not to scale since it's been a while)
yes, the hammer does great damage. the point of the wand being OPd though is that it can take out pretty much any enemy from any distance with little to no effort, for free. other weapons definitely win in terms of DPS, but for the wand being your base weapon, it's way too powerful. (it's not really that it devastates; it's slow and steady reliable damage from any distance, trivializing a lot of situations.)

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VioletMassacre
02/05/20 2:34:21 AM
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I_Abibde posted... I remember Deathkings of the Dark Citadel being a lot harder and less intuitive than the original Hexen.
papercup posted...
Yeah this is even more hardcore than the base game
Enemy wise, puzzle wise, or both?
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papercup
02/05/20 10:19:22 AM
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VioletMassacre posted...
Enemy wise, puzzle wise, or both?

Both. The first act or hub or whatever has 4 interconnecting levels, each with their own puzzle, with portals between all of them, and 2 of them have about 100 centaurs each lol

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Voxwik
02/05/20 12:00:42 PM
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Doesn't frost shards have a melee attack too? I could swear I remember firing it close range with no projectile sound. If not, I made that memory up.
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Lokarin
02/05/20 2:15:18 PM
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Voxwik posted...
Doesn't frost shards have a melee attack too? I could swear I remember firing it close range with no projectile sound. If not, I made that memory up.

It does, I think it does slightly more damage too

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papercup
02/05/20 6:36:41 PM
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I beat Deathkings! I'll try Hexen 2 tomorrow. I think I'll play the mage/necromancer this time.

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I_Abibde
02/05/20 7:19:03 PM
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papercup posted...
I beat Deathkings!

Well done! That's not a small achievement.

Hexen II is a good enough game, but I found the puzzles in it to be frustrating.

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Lokarin
02/05/20 7:45:28 PM
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Huh, I don't think I've ever played the Hexen DLC

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Voxwik
02/05/20 9:26:28 PM
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Considering I adore Hexen, I can't believe I never played Deathkings.
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papercup
02/06/20 6:48:55 PM
#49:


Okay so far the combat in Hexen 2 is considerably slower and also your melee range is much smaller. Like fighting spiders is annoying, and to hit human enemies you need to be right up in their face, where as in the first game your melee attacks hit surprisingly far. Also everything take a million hits to die and you run through mana shockingly fast.

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Sahuagin
02/06/20 8:51:12 PM
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yeah Hexen 2 was ok, but didn't really impress me once the whole way through. generally don't really like quake engine games in general though. (it was definitely better than Heretic 2 though.)

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