Current Events > Tales of Vesperia is finally starting to take off story wise. Well, a little.

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Yeah I'm mostly just asking for tidal wave spamming's sake. Besides thunder blade it's my favorite spell so far.

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Oh, in that case, you'll want:

Light Magic skill
Speed Cast skill
Lucky End skill
Spell End skill
Mystic Symbol accessory

... in order to cast those two as fast as possible without the need for overlimit

So should I just remove Rhythm and Overcast type skills? Skills that require button presses. I left them equipped on the off-chance that the AI for Rita uses those skills, but I feel like they probably don't. Just want to know to remove them for other skills once and for all.

Also regarding Spell End... what does it mean when they say "Able to move immediately after casting a spell" because I don't really need Rita to move around the field, I just have her stand in the back of the party and spam spells.

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Yeah, the AI doesnt use those.

Spell end will allow Rita and other spell users to cast magic/any other action faster because it will reduce/ remove the endlag after casting.

Ok I have that equipped. So happy to have Flynn and Estelle back!!

But now I don't know who my main 4 should be, I've started to really like Patty's style. I know that Yuri, Rita and Estelle are a must.

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Ving_Rhames posted...

I mean, Vesperia is my favorite simply because of Judiths playstyle. She's far and away the most rewarding character to learn how to play in the series.

It's like playing a Vs. character. So fucking fun.

Speaking of Judith I tried to get an altered arte of hers that requires me to be in the air to perform it. After a couple of times I just said screw it because it was incredibly tedious to try and do. I think it's called Rising Luna Rondo. Basically I have to jump and then quickly press the arte button for her to do it, then there's a lag/downtime before I'm able to get her to jump again and do the arte again. How did they expect anyone to get her to learn that arte? Doing it 100 more times seems way too tedious just to learn it.

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You gotta combo into a launcher, man, then do the air special. It's like playing a Marvel vs. Capcom game.

It's a shame the story is a little blah because I am loving the skits and little portrait animations the characters have with each other.

I'm also sad that I haven't been doing all the sidequests (due to how obtuse some of them are to initiate and they're missable) because a lot of fun dialogue and character interactions are in them, with some added development and hilarity all around.

Wish they'd just tell us the sidequests to do in a journal because I feel a lot of story and world building is in them and without it, the game misses a big chunk.

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Did the original Tales of Vesperia have as many translation errors/grammar mistakes/spelling mistakes etc? I usually find those endearing because I know how difficult and time-consuming it must be to localize and translate hundreds of pages of japanese dialogue.

But there are so so many in this game and I'm wondering if the original 360 version was like that or if it's something with this rushed port job. I'm already vaguely aware that there was some voice cast controversy.

Did anyone notice these mistakes while playing the game?

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Its been a while since I played the 360 version, but dont think it was discussed much if it was that prominent . Berseria and Vesperia DE was when I started hearing about it a lot

pretty sure most of the issues such as typos and errors happen in the dialogue new to the PS3/DE version. As a translator myself I tend to notice them a lot.

still can't fucking believe Judith at one point pleads the fifth.

saspa posted...

I'm already vaguely aware that there was some voice cast controversy.

You're only vaguely aware? Surely you've noticed in cutscenes when Yuri's voice changes drastically between lines? Especially when talking to Patty since she wasn't a playable character in the original release

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sauceje posted...

pretty sure most of the issues such as typos and errors happen in the dialogue new to the PS3/DE version. As a translator myself I tend to notice them a lot.

still can't fucking believe Judith at one point pleads the fifth.

You're only vaguely aware? Surely you've noticed in cutscenes when Yuri's voice changes drastically between lines? Especially when talking to Patty since she wasn't a playable character in the original release

Well to be honest... I really don't notice a difference. I've mentioned that I never played Vesperia since it never came to the West, so this is my first time playing it and I have no frame of reference for what it may have sounded like. Do you have a side by side comparison?

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PowerOats posted...

Its been a while since I played the 360 version, but dont think it was discussed much if it was that prominent . Berseria and Vesperia DE was when I started hearing about it a lot

Wow Berseria has it too? (Incidentally the only other Tales game I bought) Bamco started really dropping the ball later in life huh

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Well, I didn't play the original on the 360 either, but I noticed it while playing the DE.
There are a few instances in which Yuri changes voice actor from one line to the next, like in this cutscene (spoilers for after Zaude):
https://youtu.be/o2gt4LZoCj4?t=3165 (52:45)
The three lines after Patty drops in on him are with the new voice actor, and the rest are with the original voice actor.

There are entire cutscenes voiced with Yuri's new voice actor (I think every other voice actor reprised their roles, but they didn't always match their previous performances in regards to inflection, intonation etc.)
https://youtu.be/AQYWnRdKXTE?t=1400 (23:00)

There's also a noticeable difference in skits, for example, this skit is from the 360 version and sounds just fine:
https://youtu.be/5YDcHTtEqRs?t=2248 (37:28)

These skits are new to the DE version and sound terrible (in some cases the music may even play over the voice lines):
https://youtu.be/lFBmLbM6N1Y?t=890 (14:50)
https://youtu.be/RCTz9n3GKfQ?t=443 (7:23)
https://youtu.be/UJucbKLJa7Y?t=641 (10:41)

Overall the translation and voice work exclusive to the DE version are pretty shoddy. And if what PowerOats mentioned about Tales of Berseria is correct, then that makes me pretty worried about the quality of the translation there also...

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Wait... Undine? And then I suspected Ifrit, and we got him too? Is Tales of Vesperia serving as a prequel to the other Tales games where these summons were used in both battle and story wise?

That was a bit of a shocker. Let's see who the other two will be. I'm guessing Sylph for wind and... I forgot who represents Earth? Hades? Golem? Ah well I'll find out soon.

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Vesperia essentially has no plot.

And the gameplay goes from OOO->Azure Edge to infinite combos very quickly.

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saspa posted...

Wait... Undine? And then I suspected Ifrit, and we got him too? Is Tales of Vesperia serving as a prequel to the other Tales games where these summons were used in both battle and story wise?

That was a bit of a shocker. Let's see who the other two will be. I'm guessing Sylph for wind and... I forgot who represents Earth? Hades? Golem? Ah well I'll find out soon.

Gnome if I remember correctly.

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Best Tales game but it drags at the end, as if the game wasn't long enough.
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Ok what the hell. I feel like I've made it far enough in the story but they still don't explain why one of Flynn's lackeys, the girl one, stabbed Yuri and made him tumble all the way to ground (and if it wasn't for Duke rescuing him somehow, he would have probably died). And how did none of the party see that.

I'm currently going off to probably rescue Flynn again and she just offers up no real explanation for it. I thought it was mind control, or some kinda betrayal plot twist... not a Swimfan situation where she's obsessed with Flynn and jealous of the Yuri-Flynn bromance which by the way isn't that great to begin with.

By the way you don't think Duke could be the final villain? If he's going to sacrifice humanity somehow to save the world from the adephagos, that sounds like the templar knight type extremist in rpgs that I'll have to stop.

I found nam co bandai's island so gonna goof off there a bit before saving the world, as is jrpg custom.

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Part 3 is the game's weak point

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yeah that part with what's her face was kinda dumb. they kinda explain why she did that but it's really dumb and the meta reason is kinda dumber. Well I maybe misremebering that last part but either way it was dumb.

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saspa posted...

For the past like, 20 hours, the story just doesn't go anywhere. The characters and plot just sort of meander from town to town, with retrieving the aqua blastia for the lower quarter being the closest thing to an objective this game has.

Half the time I even forget that apparently there's a thing with the empire and the guilds, and something about councils and knights. Thing is we keep hearing about this stuff, but the game doesn't show us. Keeping my fingers crossed it's only a matter of time.

Well now the bridge at Dahngrest is destroyed and a monster that can talk appeared, so that's pretty much the closest to a story the game has done.

It's funny because I otherwise like the characters for the most part. Yuri is definitely one of the better jrpg protagonists, he's more like if they gave a leading role to the Balthier types in a jrpg. Estelle is sweet. I definitely didn't like having so many kid characters tag along like Karol and Rita, but I like how Yuri humors Karol which is nice of him, and Rita's seeming tsundera crush on Estelle gets the occasional half grin out of me. More characters in the party like Flynn and Judith were definitely needed for some variety. Also I simultaneously find Patty super annoying and super hilarious at the same time, it's such a fine line.

Man I had the same feelings as you exactly. It's starts so slow. And I hate kid character in the guild. So. Much. He literally ruined the game for me I think.

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sauceje posted...

Well, I didn't play the original on the 360 either, but I noticed it while playing the DE.
There are a few instances in which Yuri changes voice actor from one line to the next, like in this cutscene (spoilers for after Zaude):
https://youtu.be/o2gt4LZoCj4?t=3165 (52:45)
The three lines after Patty drops in on him are with the new voice actor, and the rest are with the original voice actor.

There are entire cutscenes voiced with Yuri's new voice actor (I think every other voice actor reprised their roles, but they didn't always match their previous performances in regards to inflection, intonation etc.)
https://youtu.be/AQYWnRdKXTE?t=1400 (23:00)

There's also a noticeable difference in skits, for example, this skit is from the 360 version and sounds just fine:
https://youtu.be/5YDcHTtEqRs?t=2248 (37:28)

These skits are new to the DE version and sound terrible (in some cases the music may even play over the voice lines):
https://youtu.be/lFBmLbM6N1Y?t=890 (14:50)
https://youtu.be/RCTz9n3GKfQ?t=443 (7:23)
https://youtu.be/UJucbKLJa7Y?t=641 (10:41)

Overall the translation and voice work exclusive to the DE version are pretty shoddy. And if what PowerOats mentioned about Tales of Berseria is correct, then that makes me pretty worried about the quality of the translation there also...

@sauceje

So I finally watched those videos and I do agree about the background music overlap. Do you think those are exclusive to the port? Because I was gonna complain about how sometimes the skits are hard to hear because they're drowned out by the music. As a rule of thumb in video games I always go straight to the sound settings and lower background music/sound effects while keeping voice volume high so that I can actually hear the dialogue during cutscenes.

Tales of Vesperia is actually one of the better games in this regard however, because they actually offer sound options unlike some games, and are one of the few jrpgs to offer so many sound options.

As for the Yuri voice actor change... I think subconsciously I know what you're talking about, maybe sometimes I feel like Yuri's voice is different. But honestly I just don't notice it and until there's a shot by shot comparison to show the difference, I just can't tell as I'm playing the game. It's never stood out to me.

Were Patty and Flynn not in the original game?
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Flynn was as a NPC and I think he may have been playable in like one battle. Patty wasn't in the game at all in the 360 version.

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As a side note the opening song has actually started to grow on me now.

Been wondering something though. Who the hell was Zagi? I completely forgot about him up until he showed up at the end. Was he someone important, was he a rogue member of leviathan's claw, who? The plot is so forgettable that I honestly can't remember if they ever explained anything about him. The entire time the scene was playing out with the characters lamenting how pitiable he was, I was like who is that dude again?
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PostCrisisJ2 posted...

Flynn was as a NPC and I think he may have been playable in like one battle. Patty wasn't in the game at all in the 360 version.

So was the ghost ship segment in the original game? What about that whole Aifread nonsense and siren fang guild business?
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The Ghost Ship segment was in the 360 version but I'm pretty sure that's all I remember since it's been ages.

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Phew, finally beat the game.

So that's it? The final boss is... Duke? He's certainly no mithos or hell even dhaos. Why didn't we get to fight the Adephagos itself? I thought that's what the final arc was leading towards. I mean we already fought parts of the Adephagos, why not the whole thing? Man that's kinda... disappointing.

Overall, I'd say this was a pretty fun game. The haphazard story is definitely a travesty, and the characters deserve better, but otherwise it was an enjoyable experience.

On the one hand I'm half tempted to replay the game and do all the sidequests but on the other I'd rather just youtube the ones that add character development and call it a day. For example I'm sure there must be a sidequest that better fleshes out the Patty is Aifread thing that kinda made me lol from how absurdly random and out of place it was.
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Im glad you enjoyed it. Unfortunately the plot is its weakest aspect, and one of the weakest in the franchise. People whos favorite tales game story is Symphonia, Abyss or Berseria generally wont like Vesperia's story.

I still believe Vesperia has one of the most solid cast of characters, 2nd best combat (behind Xillia 2), and the most mechanically sound game, if you put a bit more time into learning its combat.

Zagi was literally just a random psycho with no real plot relevance lol

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Zagi is a pretty cool guy, eh screams a lot and doesn't afraid of anything.

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saspa posted...

Phew, finally beat the game.

So that's it? The final boss is... ? He's certainly no mithos or hell even dhaos. Why didn't we get to fight the Adephagos itself? I thought that's what the final arc was leading towards. I mean we already fought parts of the Adephagos, why not the whole thing? Man that's kinda... disappointing.

Yeah that was definitely one of the lamest final boss battles. It was underwhelming from a story standpoint, but the fighter itself is broken and annoying. Boss fights where they have an attack that just leaves the party at 1HP always came off as cheap/lazy game design to me.

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Ving_Rhames posted...

Zagi was literally just a random psycho with no real plot relevance lol

Right? This game honestly feels like they forgot to finish writing the story. Zagi, Sodia, so many haphazardly put together actions that make no rhyme or reason.
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