Board 8 > Johnny Depp just hopefully ended the #MeToo movement

(+) Yeah! (+)

Even otherwise, the triple whammy of Alice Through the Looking Glass, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, and Crimes of Grindelwald is hardly the sign of a healthy career.

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hey, those of you who hate the "metoo" movement, why do you hate it? what do you percieve the me too movement as?

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Even otherwise, the triple whammy of Alice Through the Looking Glass, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, and Crimes of Grindelwald is hardly the sign of a healthy career.

Self-harm is often the outcome of abusive relationships.

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banananor posted...

hey, those of you who hate the "metoo" movement, why do you hate it? what do you percieve the me too movement as?

Hate campaign against men of course

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I don't think most people hated the beginning of it with people like Weinstein and Cosby but it got out of control to include literally just bad dates, which rightfully got backlash after it was revealed to being that. After that there was the Kavanaugh case where she didn't have any evidence, got a ton of details wrong, and other witnesses she trying to use all ended up recanting their positions or denied her claims. Or there's the number of college cases that are complete lies or worse, situations where the girl was the offending party, though that predates metoo and ties to Title IX reform. Even Louis C.K.'s case, while definitely creepy, wasn't that bad as he wasn't forcing anything or blocking doors like some were saying. But people were acting like he was another Weinstein, Spacey, or Cosby as opposed to a loser in a corner jacking it who literally asked for permission first.

It's the whole "believe women!" bit that goes too far to act as if people can't lie, get things wrong, and exaggerates the wrong to a point where it's also wrong. Hell, some journalists were trying to claim that when Warren called Sanders a sexist it was like a metoo thing, literally saying that the lesson of metoo was that we should believe women. Meaning all of a sudden nobody should question any accusation by a woman simply because she's a woman. Said journo caught backlash for that one too but that's quite the pervasive jump. If the lesson was simply that sexual assault cases should be taken more seriously, including more robust investigations, and that predators should be outed? Absolutely, that's got widespread support and includes men, which as I mentioned earlier, Terry Crews was a part of. But it goes a step further than that, sometimes much further, and ends up defending abusers only because they're women. Which ironically ends up just being incredibly toxic and sexist itself going the ends justify the means.

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The one thing I took from this topic was she shit in his bed.

I have this hilarious image of someone anger shitting on someones bed now

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Kinglicious posted...

I don't think most people hated the beginning of it with people like Weinstein and Cosby but it got out of control to include literally just bad dates, which rightfully got backlash after it was revealed to being that. After that there was the Kavanaugh case where she didn't have any evidence, got a ton of details wrong, and other witnesses she trying to use all ended up recanting their positions or denied her claims. Or there's the number of college cases that are complete lies or worse, situations where the girl was the offending party, though that predates metoo and ties to Title IX reform. Even Louis C.K.'s case, while definitely creepy, wasn't that bad as he wasn't forcing anything or blocking doors like some were saying. But people were acting like he was another Weinstein, Spacey, or Cosby as opposed to a loser in a corner jacking it who literally asked for permission first.

It's the whole "believe women!" bit that goes too far to act as if people can't lie, get things wrong, and exaggerates the wrong to a point where it's also wrong. Hell, some journalists were trying to claim that when Warren called Sanders a sexist it was like a metoo thing, literally saying that the lesson of metoo was that we should believe women. Meaning all of a sudden nobody should question any accusation by a woman simply because she's a woman. Said journo caught backlash for that one too but that's quite the pervasive jump. If the lesson was simply that sexual assault cases should be taken more seriously, including more robust investigations, and that predators should be outed? Absolutely, that's got widespread support and includes men, which as I mentioned earlier, Terry Crews was a part of. But it goes a step further than that, sometimes much further, and ends up defending abusers only because they're women. Which ironically ends up just being incredibly toxic and sexist itself going the ends justify the means.

I dunno most of the big names I've seen whose careers have been adversely affected by the movement seem to deserve it IMO. Although the #metoo'd celebrity I'm the biggest fan of is John Lasseter who turned out to be the PG equivalent of Weinstein.

And this is mostly a celebrity deal. Unfortunately celebrities just do not live by the same rules as us common folk. Trump himself said it best: when you're famous, you can get away with everything. For that matter, how has Trump not been affected at all by the movement?

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Welp were defending Louis CK now. Dude who also made jokes about the Parkland Shooting victims.

Yeah, he's a big bag of shit.

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"Believe the victim" doesn't mean to condemn or convict whoever they're accusing. The idea is that treating all reasonably credible accounts as serious allows real victims to feel like it's ok for them to share their story and to get any emotional support/help they might need. It doesn't mean that there should be any less scrutiny or consideration when deciding whether or not to punish/prosecute the people on the receiving end of the accusations.
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oh my god imagine defending kavanaugh in 2020

"I USE MY CALENDARS AS DIARIES" yeah sure that guy wasn't full of shit

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TheRock1525 posted...

Welp were defending Louis CK now. Dude who also made jokes about the Parkland Shooting victims.

Yeah, he's a big bag of shit.

1. Louis did nothing wrong and thinking he did is a good bellwether for someone who has a fundamental misunderstanding of social/sexual dynamics
2. No joke is off-limits and his Parkland bit was hysterical

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

No joke is off-limits

I am a big proponent of this.

https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1079784120945967104

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Also Hollywood if anything is very forgiving when it comes to celebrity controversies. It's not like Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson have been slowed down much.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Cancel Culture's effectiveness is vastly overrated. If it was, pretty sure Kobe would be treated as a "controversial" celebrity instead of a saint and significantly less people would be cheering on Tiger Woods latest major. If Depp went into Disney, he would get back his role in an instant.

Kobes incident was before 2007

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Also Hollywood if anything is very forgiving when it comes to celebrity controversies. It's not like Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson have been slowed down much.

How do you fail to mention RDJ?

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Also Hollywood if anything is very forgiving when it comes to celebrity controversies. It's not like Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson have been slowed down much.

Mel Gibson got slowed down pretty hard. Theres like five years where he didnt work at all and its been a sort of slow build back to relevance since then.

but yeah even he didnt manage to get 100% permanently cancelled
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FFDragon posted...

How do you fail to mention RDJ?

That was more him getting his life back together. We'll throw in Winona Ryder too.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966723/Amber-Heard-ridicules-Johnny-Depp-claiming-hes-domestic-violence-victim.html

'Do you know I'm a 115, well not anymore, but I was a 115lb, almost 115lb woman,' Heard protests. Adopting a jeering tone, she says: 'You're going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, she started it? Really?'

She says: 'Tell the world Johnny, tell them... I Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence... and see how many people believe or side with you'

these are two different quotes.
this woman is a grade a bitch. jesus.

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Man DC worked so hard to make Mera relevant again too. I don't want Tula in A2.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

That was more him getting his life back together. We'll throw in Winona Ryder too.

He spent like a year in state prison!

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I apologize for the extremely delayed response

Nanis23 posted...

Hate campaign against men of course

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but my perception of the metoo movement was that it wasn't about hating men. From what I could tell, it was about making it acceptable to talk about grey areas of sex, or even sexual assault, rather than feeling like you HAD to be silent when it happened to you.

Kinglicious posted...

I don't think most people hated the beginning of it with people like Weinstein and Cosby but it got out of control to include literally just bad dates, which rightfully got backlash after it was revealed to being that. After that there was the Kavanaugh case where she didn't have any evidence, got a ton of details wrong, and other witnesses she trying to use all ended up recanting their positions or denied her claims. Or there's the number of college cases that are complete lies or worse, situations where the girl was the offending party, though that predates metoo and ties to Title IX reform. Even Louis C.K.'s case, while definitely creepy, wasn't that bad as he wasn't forcing anything or blocking doors like some were saying. But people were acting like he was another Weinstein, Spacey, or Cosby as opposed to a loser in a corner jacking it who literally asked for permission first.

Again, I don't think the #metoo movement was about automatically canceling any man with any allegation against them. It was/is about making it okay to talk about events and allow people to decide for themselves if they believe it or think it was okay.

I think the Aziz Ansari situation might be a perfect middling example of what you might be afraid of- and I'm pretty sure you referenced it in your post- but it actually turned out okay.

Someone came out complaining about his conduct. It was very scary for him! After a while, the public generally came to the correct conclusion that it wasn't actually that bad and his career is doing fine.

#metoo isn't about destroying Aziz's life. It's about allowing people who think (or claim) they're victims to not be automatically shunned and screwed over for telling the story of what happened to them.

I get it. Making it socially acceptable to air dirty laundry like that is scary, because the power is taken away from the individuals and handed to the public.

I think the more public the norms become, the less people will have to worry about. If you're young and inexperienced and don't know what's acceptable, you can live in fear of crossing an invisible line.

I had more to say (anecdotes, analogies), but I'll be respectful and stick to what you said.

I'll end by adding you should probably check your sources on the Kavanaugh hearing and investigation. As someone who watched the entire hearing (weird, I know, but I was working remotely at the time) and read the dry facts of the witnesses, this is one subject I think I can consider myself knowledgable about.

Anyway, that at least how I perceive the metoo movement.

It's the whole "believe women!" bit that goes too far to act as if people can't lie, get things wrong, and exaggerates the wrong to a point where it's also wrong. Hell, some journalists were trying to claim that when Warren called Sanders a sexist it was like a metoo thing, literally saying that the lesson of metoo was that we should believe women. Meaning all of a sudden nobody should question any accusation by a woman simply because she's a woman. Said journo caught backlash for that one too but that's quite the pervasive jump. If the lesson was simply that sexual assault cases should be taken more seriously, including more robust investigations, and that predators should be outed? Absolutely, that's got widespread support and includes men, which as I mentioned earlier, Terry Crews was a part of. But it goes a step further than that, sometimes much further, and ends up defending abusers only because they're women. Which ironically ends up just being incredibly toxic and sexist itself going the ends justify the means.

Individuals being shitty shouldn't invalidate a movement. I don't think "some journalists"

If you've known anyone who has been a victim of assault, it is incredibly difficult to gather enough steam to make anything happen. The end result is usually the victim being even more shunned. To me, believe women means not to automatically shun the victim.

All right, I guess I'll share my contrasting anecdote to prove I understand fears. A close friend of mine during high school was accused of a horrible rape at a party that I know didn't happen because we were goofing around playing video games that entire weekend. Even though it eventually lost steam, I understand just how life ruining these false allegations have the potential of being.

Saying that people shouldn't be allowed to air their valid complaints, just because other people might lie, is an amazingly screwed up policy. It's like saying we couldn't tell people about a murder we witnessed, because someone might make up their testimony. Yeah, if I saw Suzie murder someone on the street, idk if my eyewitness testimony would hold up in court and gain a conviction, but if I want to tell my friends, post it on twitter, or tell the news that needs to be and is obviously acceptable!

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FFDragon posted...

He spent like a year in state prison!

That is true. I suppose that was simply not the kind of "controversy" I had in mind. Downey's career troubles at the time were largely pragmatic since he was in and out of jail and not reliable. Somewhere I read that Mel Gibson eventually paid insurance for Downey so he could be in a film with him and that started the road to recovery for Downey. This is also why Downey has pleaded for people to forgive Mel Gibson, since they're good friends.

I just get the feeling that certain celebrities can escape controversy just because they become household names and the general public is just willing to accept their issues. Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Donald Trump are other fantastic examples of this.

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This completely ends the feminist movement and yet if I could bet that in 45 years 100% of the anti-fems ITT would still be crying about feminism, I would put everything I had on it. Everyone would. There is just no question that your lives, ever since the PUA stuff or whatever got you in, has been totally lost to this singular mindset. You think this is just a short 10-20 year fad that you're flirting with but it's not. There is no more you outside of this.

And so you see a man being abused and you wish, dream, and BEG that this self-imposed curse is over. But it's up to you, not Johnny Depp, and you know that.

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Nanis23 posted...

Hate campaign against men of course

Exactly. Any unwanted attention is sexual harassment now, and thanks to celebrities behaving badly, the rest of the world just has to shut up and take the double standard.

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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Exactly. Any unwanted attention is sexual harassment now, and thanks to celebrities behaving badly, the rest of the world just has to shut up and take the double standard.

Just don't act like an idiot around women. How hard can it be?

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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Any unwanted attention is sexual harassment now

Wait

What was unwanted attention before?
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TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Exactly. Any unwanted attention is sexual harassment now, and thanks to celebrities behaving badly, the rest of the world just has to shut up and take the double standard.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

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don't know what purge rate is these days.

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Wanglicious posted...

don't know what purge rate is these days.

10 days

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why would you bump this terrible topic

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so everyone can see I was ahead of the curve about Tsunami

I believe I had that

consider it CALLED

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Yeah hopefully a movement created to stop rape ends.

Oh wait no that's what someone who actually supports rapists would say, and that's not my case. Phew.

(If Depp is innocent good to know, but a single case does not change millions of ones)

Oh shit this is a necro thread.

It's always been hard for me to take the MeToo movement seriously when all these rich, successful actresses used their sexuality to get to where they are now, and are somehow now on the high horse saying that it is "wrong".

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

It's always been hard for me to take the MeToo movement seriously when all these rich, successful actresses used their sexuality to get to where they are now, and are somehow now on the high horse saying that it is "wrong".

I too look at women who have benefited in their careers from being attractive and think "Yeah sexually abusing her would be morally justified"

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

It's always been hard for me to take the MeToo movement seriously when all these rich, successful actresses used their sexuality to get to where they are now, and are somehow now on the high horse saying that it is "wrong".

Statements like this are exactly why said actresses were afraid of speaking out. Also look up Harvey Weinstein, he's an abrasive monster. He's all but known to be guilty as sin.

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It's clear how low a dude's self worth is when they're jealous of a woman being raped since age 10 just to get in some movies. Maybe if Natalie Portman just gave every jealous dude $1 million, misogyny would be eradicated.

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Honestly even what I knew about Weinstein before the scandal made me resent him as almost a poster-child for meddlesome Hollywood executives, but there's one more reason I hate him so much unrelated to his sex scandals. It's that he, moreso than any other individual, is responsible for the state of Hollywood now. His aggressive Oscar campaigns have done more to further the divide between big blockbusters and serious dramas than anything else. I'll also admit I have kind of soured on the '90s as a decade for film after I realized everything wrong with the film industry today has its roots there, other examples including films made just to cash in on a popular brand name (loads of dumb TV adaptations back then, loads of belated sequels now) and over-reliance on special effects over all else (stupid disaster films back then, superheroes and space films everywhere now). Films like Jurassic Park, The Fugitive, and Pulp Fiction now have to bear the shoulders of ushering these trends.

Look this guy up. His reign of terror exemplifies everything wrong with Hollywood even discounting serial sexual misconduct.

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